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Shasta
25-08-10, 13:46
Thought this was interesting, so thought to post.

http://nephropal.blogspot.com/2010/08/hilter-had-jewish-and-african-roots.html

Segia
25-08-10, 14:19
"According to the report, the study was undertaken under "stringent laboratory conditions."

"One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," researcher Mulders said"

Everebody is related to everybody and Hitler wasn't an execption. From this statement to affirm that a certain haplogroup (E) is proof of being related to relative "modern" ethnicities there is a long way of sensationalism and unscientific thinking.

A R1b-H guy can be closer to jews than a E-J one.

Wilhelm
25-08-10, 14:31
There is already a thread about it. Plus this news are untrue. Belonging to haplogroup E doesn't prove any Jewish ancestry. This haplogroup is common in Austria, about 9 %

Shasta
25-08-10, 23:26
Aw, thanks guys for the follow up. Sounded too good to be true.

Carlitos
28-09-10, 00:49
Not all E are Jews. I trust that in this wonderful world of genetics and how much you can do for humans we know more and better, does not prevail the money and power and thereby distort and manipulate the data if somehow we are not interested. Think the world revolves and that Europe was not always rich and that those who now are up tomorrow are down and so for ever and ever, so you have to be honest and tell the truth without which the various interests that rule the world alter or clog the truth, because that is cultural fascism.

JAK2
25-11-10, 17:48
EXACTO Segia,
all that stuffwith Hitler so-called "jewish E1b1" WHICH IS A PURE FANCY seems a dangerous attitude you make good to criticize it.

JAK2
25-11-10, 18:15
Carlitos! Muy bién: hablas de manera pura!
You are very right as it is even not a question of fascism but a question of SCIENCE which has to be deeeply basically Honnest and true.
Otherwise, it is a paved way for crazy science as we suffered it since Bolchevists and Nazis fancy theories took the power; and now, false Professors' theories like anti darwinistic and biased genetics ones (both sides aren't really CLEAR!) are gaining influence....

Mzungu mchagga
25-11-10, 21:08
It's really funny to see how many rumours have already been placed around Hitler's physical traits and ancestry:
-he had Jewish roots
-his father was also his grandfather
-he had only one testicle
-he was secretly gay
-he was addicted to intravenous cocaine

What comes next? One day they will even find out he was a Nazi! :petrified:

LeBrok
26-11-10, 02:44
lol, it is funny.

dundee
28-11-10, 06:00
It's really funny to see how many rumours have already been placed around Hitler's physical traits and ancestry:
-he had Jewish roots
-his father was also his grandfather
-he had only one testicle
-he was secretly gay
-he was addicted to intravenous cocaine

What comes next? One day they will even find out he was a Nazi! :petrified:

Ist not so far from Schäuble and Merkel, or not? :confused2:

Zbigniew_Paesano
28-11-10, 12:38
Exactly. In addition, the region of Waldviertel where H was born is populated by mixture of Slavs, Jews, Celtic pple, germanic. Without any scientific study there´s a qulified guess that a person with a local family tree, such as H, contains lots of different genetic signals inclusive those of the jews.

skaheen15
17-08-12, 02:49
However funny it may be, you folks seem to be unaware that Hitler's paternal grandmother(Alois's mother) was working in a Jewish household as a cleaning woman when Alois was born, and that the patriarch of this family paid her an annuity for years while Alois was growing up. That, combined with this Y-DNA haplotype's appearance in a number pf notable German or Austrian jews(Einstein being one), seems to strongly suggest, especially to those of us with a sense of irony, that Hitler's actual Grandfather was Jewish.
It would make a lot of sense.

Mkk
18-08-12, 19:27
How ridiculous. Hg E runs to about 10 percent in Austria, so Hitler or any other Austrian man has a 1/10 chance of being E. It's likely an agricultural adition to Europe, so saying this is a "Jewish" haplogroup is a slander? And for what reason? Hitler and the National Socialists are all long dead now, what's the point?

And I'm skeptical of the "study". Where's the scientific paper on it?



However funny it may be, you folks seem to be unaware that Hitler's paternal grandmother(Alois's mother) was working in a Jewish household as a cleaning woman when Alois was born, and that the patriarch of this family paid her an annuity for years while Alois was growing up. That, combined with this Y-DNA haplotype's appearance in a number pf notable German or Austrian jews(Einstein being one), seems to strongly suggest, especially to those of us with a sense of irony, that Hitler's actual Grandfather was Jewish.
It would make a lot of sense.

The myth of the "jewish" grandfather was debunked years ago, keep up. Go to Carolyn Yeager's website for more on this.

In conclusion, there is no evidence had a ny immediate Jewish relatives.

It's strange, Jews are always claiming (without good evidence) that they were "exterminated" in WW2. Although these allegations have been proven to be absurd and scientifically impossible, the "eyewitnesses" liars, and the "mass graves" smaller by a order of magnitude then they should be they still want to say the man who allegedly ordered this (ofcourse no "order2 for killing of Jews has ever been found, by Hitler or anyone else) was jewish?

If you want to know more, maybe someone should start a thread on CODOH (i post there under the same name) about this topic.

Sennevini
18-08-12, 20:12
Mkk, do you question that a lot of European Jews were murdered in WW2? Because that really is what happened.

Concerning Hitler's haplogroup; it is quite a common one in Austria, indeed. It can not prove nor disprove a Jewish heritage (I don't think he has a Jewish grandfather), and, say, if he was R1a, then still no prove can be given.
Problem is, if people don't like other people, they will make up stories about them, which they don't like.

Beast
18-08-12, 22:10
There is already a thread about it. Plus this news are untrue. Belonging to haplogroup E doesn't prove any Jewish ancestry. This haplogroup is common in Austria, about 9 %

Well, you are forgetting that there were millions of Jews in Europe before the holocaust. These Jews were Ashkenazi Jews which are high in E haplogroup. Some of them married non-jews and that's where this E might come from in Europe. Some of them immigrated to the U.S. so the Jews you have in America are probably Ashkenazi descendants.

I like to refer to the Ashkenazi Jews as European Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

skaheen15
18-08-12, 23:04
The myth of the "jewish" grandfather was debunked years ago, keep up. Go to Carolyn Yeager's website for more on this. In conclusion, there is no evidence had a ny immediate Jewish relatives. So you know who Alois's father was, do ya? And Alois's mother didn't work in a Jewish household, and his birth certificate didn't mark him as 'illegitimate'(not something that was taken lightly in that time and place, by the way)? I dunno about 'debunked', the evidence is circumstantial, to be sure, but I don't see how anyone could claim that the possibility has been ruled out. It's also well known that Hans Frank and a few other Hitler intimates privately believed that he was jewish, usually for unspecified reasons, but, all the 21st century revisionism in the world dosen't change the facts. We'll almost certainly never know for sure, but it seems like a funny coincidence that he would turn out to be E1b1, under the circumstances, if he didn't have some Jewish ancestry.

Knovas
18-08-12, 23:20
Actually, if we check the haplogroup E distribution in Europe, it's not difficult to notice that nowadays ALL Europeans have an E ancestor, even if in the distant past. It's very widespread, it's impossible not to have one.

In short: being an E carrier does not necessarily make anybody more African, Jewish or whatever.

skaheen15
18-08-12, 23:31
Actually, if we check the haplogroup E distribution in Europe, it's not difficult to notice that nowadays ALL Europeans have an E ancestor, even if in the distant past. It's very widespread, it's impossible not to have one.

In short: being an E carrier does not necessarily make anybody more African, Jewish or whatever.

I'm not questioning the fact that many carriers of said haplotype aren't Jewish, Napoleon was E1b1, and, as far as I know, there's no question of his having been Jewish. But, in the case of Hitler, seems likely to me, all factors taken together.

Many of the other rumors concerning the man are definitely bunk, though, I hadn't even heard the intravenous coke one before.
*laugh*

Maciamo
20-08-12, 10:52
Actually, if we check the haplogroup E distribution in Europe, it's not difficult to notice that nowadays ALL Europeans have an E ancestor, even if in the distant past. It's very widespread, it's impossible not to have one.

In short: being an E carrier does not necessarily make anybody more African, Jewish or whatever.

All Europeans have ancestors from all top-level European and Middle Eastern haplogroups. Most Europeans probably also most African and other Asian haplogroups. This much is obvious from tiny autosomal segments from Asia and Africa found in pretty much all Europeans. Some Finns may only have 0.0001% of (post-Mesolithic) African DNA, but that's still something.

RaHoWa
21-10-12, 16:44
Well since they didnt do his subclade you cant say if its Jewish or not.It was E1b1 and it could be Neolithic European or even from Roman times when Romans went into Austria and Central Europe.Or it could be Jewish roots also.There is no way to tell with no subclade results.All tha is for sure is his Y-dna has roots in North Africa,but a person's Y-dna has nothing to do with thier true ancestry,its just a realy small part of it,if you want to know Hitlers overall main genetic ancestry they would have t do an atuosomal dna test.