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julia90
24-09-10, 21:36
My average faces by countries

I've used famous footballplayers (so i hope i don't break privacy rules)

here's the link of my blog where i update often my new countries composites:
http://footballplayersmorphes.blogspot.com/

I also want to state that my aim is not a racist one , i'm just interested in the common facial features in an ethnicity, (that's a gene expression); i've selected for europe and the old world only those players whose origins are deeply rooted in their country (i've excluded immigrants), as for the new countries (new world) such as usa, argentina, brazil, australia... i've used all the footballplayers, also those with the less common phenotypes. (ex balcks and whites, asians and amerindian etc..)

julia90
24-09-10, 21:47
ex: italy

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C7gPxf4vSIM/SyE3vR8XnbI/AAAAAAAAAFs/MsmZrCScmJ0/s1600-h/italy48.jpg

48 footballplayers

Theodisk
24-09-10, 22:00
ex: italy

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C7gPxf4vSIM/SyE3vR8XnbI/AAAAAAAAAFs/MsmZrCScmJ0/s1600-h/italy48.jpg

48 footballplayers
What should it show us?!

julia90
24-09-10, 22:03
an average face, average features in italy; for example you start seeng difference if you compare italy for example with netherlands, the nordic countries nw or ne esurope; in my blog there are also those morphes (i've done danemark, the netherlands, russia, england, and many other countries)

julia90
24-09-10, 22:27
Greece
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6440/greece24.th.png (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/greece24.png/)
24 images

Turkey
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9493/turkey16.th.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/turkey16.jpg/)
16 images

italy
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2015/italy48.th.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/italy48.jpg/)
48 images

Argentine
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5539/argentine32.th.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/argentine32.jpg/)
32 images

Spain
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2235/spain96.th.png (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/spain96.png/)
96 images

Spain (mostly Basque players) (more northern, nw looking)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5872/spain24.th.png (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/spain24.png/)
24 images

Carlitos
24-09-10, 23:30
What obsession with the Basques!, Angel is more expensive in other parts of Spain.

julia90
24-09-10, 23:35
i put it, because it's a genetic isolate; it sands between southern europe (sw) and northern europe (nw).

here are the nordid composites:

Scotland
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9994/scotland12.th.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/scotland12.jpg/)
12 images

England
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4465/england36.th.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/england36.png/)
36 images

France
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/917/france16.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/france16.jpg/)
16 images


more scando

Netherlands
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/414/nederlands8.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/nederlands8.jpg/)
8 images

Germany
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7770/germany16.th.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/germany16.jpg/)
16 images

Sweden
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2168/sweden12.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sweden12.png/)
12 images

Carlitos
24-09-10, 23:50
I understand, I say with a sense of humor.

Genes: isolation?, Who would want that?

julia90
24-09-10, 23:56
isolation happens for many things, preserving own culture and not intermixing with others, or geographically isolated being in an island far away (like sardineans, who are isolated genetically).

i don't know if it's a good or bad thing.

what do you think of these faces?

Carlitos
25-09-10, 00:15
think the result is most handsome men as the original, more idealized,

why the result is not someone else ugly or vulgar?

julia90
25-09-10, 00:21
think the result is most handsome men as the original, more idealized,

why the result is not someone else ugly or vulgar?

i think because our aestetic ideal is one of average (we like average features),

and what do you think of their distincitive facial features? do you get any vibe for them? (germanic, celtic, slavic, mediterranean etc..) (nw, n, ne, s, sw, se, other, central...) (vikings, gauls, roman, hellenes, sarmathians, iberians, halstatt, uralid..)

barbarian
25-09-10, 00:26
well done. is it a program?

only french guy looked me in disharmony.

julia90
25-09-10, 00:31
well, i took inspiration from those of dienekes, and others on the net.
it's not a program, it's just one thing that interests me, i'm interested like you in genetic relationship between people, and i think that different genes express differently in a face.

basically online you find programs to clash toghether two photos , the result you get it's a perfect half and half of the two photos (an average between the two), i did it clashing the average two with the average two, than the average for with an average our and so on.
basically i'm obsessed with genetics, and with face features unique to ethnic groups or populations (north-west european are different from ne euro, south east euro are different from nw euro, etc...)

Carlitos
25-09-10, 00:41
I was surprised to look at the guys in the Mediterranean; is the same look in all of them, plus a face very similar. It is a deeply human look directly to the soul, gives confidence, sweetness, friendship, closeness, on the contrary Germanic results as well be wider faces, the look is not transmitting, is reserved and impulsively empty.

julia90
25-09-10, 00:47
i used to think that also in the past, nowdays i think it could be due to stereotype to the nordic people that they are more reserved and less direct and impulsive; there could be a minimal base of truth, but i've seen solar (carachter) people from germany and sullen from italy.

that is also the opinion of the ancient greco-roman writers who wrote about climate and carachter correlation, and saw germanic people (and also celts) fairer than them, on the contrary they saw north africans and eathiopians swarthier; they though of themselves (greco-roman) as the perfect ethnicity (in the average lies the virtus) not too fair and not too swarthy.

Carlitos
25-09-10, 01:00
You may be right, but the impression he has given me the results achieved in his photography studio.

Certainly in Scotland and England observed a mixture of Mediterranean and Germanic results, tending more to the Mediterranean in the way they look.

julia90
25-09-10, 01:06
i see your point i basically think that climate plays a major role on determining your own character, but not genetc appearence: a blonde scando looking italian (extremely rare) will always have an italian temperaments (more louder speaking, more impulsive and hot temperate) shared with other mediterranean states, who have the same climate and eat similar things with oil insted of butter

Carlitos
25-09-10, 01:17
Yes, of course, a blonde Italian or Spanish have other skins, other forms, which are noticeable.

I've been in Berlin and the girl and boys is spectacular race, but age quickly and badly, its glory is fleeting.

Wilhelm
25-09-10, 14:05
Basques are not different than other Northern Spaniards

Carlitos
25-09-10, 14:59
I do not see too marked differences between the Spanish in general.

Moncho Borrajo. Galicia.
http://media.epi.es/www.laopinioncoruna.com/media/fotos/noticias/318x200/2008-10-23_IMG_2008-10-16_08:52:22_14-f1.jpg


Javier Sardà. Catalonia.
http://www.lalistawip.com/photos/G/ign_14_151_1407.jpg

Melendi. Asturias.
http://mural.uv.es/paualgon/1194952132827melendi_detalledn.jpg

Sabina. Andalucía.
http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/joaquin.jpg

Agustín Ibarrola. Euskadi.
http://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundo/imagenes/2008/08/22/1219393690_0.jpg

Valentín Batalla. Extremadura.
http://images.artelista.com/artelista/autores/fichas/4515759944097344.jpg

Chimo Bayo. Valencia.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:k00q_65CzVbbpM:http://i916.photobucket.com/albums/ad8/Vinatea_RV/Musica/ChimoBayo-Moderno.jpg&t=1

Tomás Castaño. Cantabria.
http://equilibriarte.org/members/tcastano/1161704117.jpg

María Teresa Fernández de la Vega. Valencia.
http://www.diarioya.es/store/De%20la%20vega,%20se%C3%B1alando.jpg

Mzungu mchagga
25-09-10, 17:43
I've been in Berlin and the girl and boys is spectacular race, but age quickly and badly, its glory is fleeting.

WHAT??? What do you mean? :petrified: :petrified: :petrified:

Carlitos
25-09-10, 22:14
WHAT??? What do you mean? :petrified: :petrified: :petrified:

I think the older Germanic races before and way worse than other Europeans, so I could see the splendor of youth is lost before the Germans, but it is a personal opinion, I have not checked in a laboratory.

Mzungu mchagga
25-09-10, 23:18
:thinking:
I don't fully understand what you want to say, but I think what you are trying to tell is that Germanic people age at a higher speed than, for example, Mediterranian folks. Interestingly northern Europeans have a vice versa kind of thought. They also think that Slavic people age faster than other Europeans.
My personal opinion is that the aging rate is more dependend on social background than race. People with lower education and low income, those who have to struggle more in life, usually age a little faster. So the social hierarchy which the people have in the country they are coming from, and so the ones you have to do with, plays a great role. Also, when traveling you observe the people of the country you are visiting more intensivley than propably your own people. And this includes the elderly, those you wouldn't stare at in your home country.

But in some point I agree with you: people with lighter skin tend to have wrinkles earlier in life than people with darker skin, due to radiation of ultraviolet light. And as especially many people with lighter skin tend to sunbath much more, they... age earlier! And in Germany young people go to tan studios waaaay to much.

Aristander
26-09-10, 02:46
You are correct people with darker complexions wrinkle much less than light complected people. Tanning beds are dangerous and young light complected people are getting melanoma and dieing from them.

Marianne
26-09-10, 15:02
:thinking:
I don't fully understand what you want to say, but I think what you are trying to tell is that Germanic people age at a higher speed than, for example, Mediterranian folks. Interestingly northern Europeans have a vice versa kind of thought. They also think that Slavic people age faster than other Europeans.
My personal opinion is that the aging rate is more dependend on social background than race. People with lower education and low income, those who have to struggle more in life, usually age a little faster. So the social hierarchy which the people have in the country they are coming from, and so the ones you have to do with, plays a great role. Also, when traveling you observe the people of the country you are visiting more intensivley than propably your own people. And this includes the elderly, those you wouldn't stare at in your home country.

But in some point I agree with you: people with lighter skin tend to have wrinkles earlier in life than people with darker skin, due to radiation of ultraviolet light. And as especially many people with lighter skin tend to sunbath much more, they... age earlier! And in Germany young people go to tan studios waaaay to much.

It's amazing what sunscreen can do to our skin! 80% of the wrinkles we get while aging is due to sun damage.

My dermatologist's instructions were very clear when I visited him the first time when was 14: I must wear sunscreen everyday, whether it's summer or winter. My complexion is very fair and in my country the sun is always shinning... I can't sunbathe at summer because I become red as a lobster and I hate fake tan, so I always look white as a ghost :disappointed: The only thing that makes me happy is that I hope that when I'm older I will have less wrinkles than the people my age, because I never leave home without sunscreen :grin:

I also think that slavic people tend to age faster. I see many immigrants from eastern Europe and they usually look aged and tired even if they are not very old, but I guess their apparence is also affected by the way life has been on them...

Aristander
26-09-10, 19:02
It's amazing what sunscreen can do to our skin! 80% of the wrinkles we get while aging is due to sun damage.
My dermatologist's instructions were very clear when I visited him the first time when was 14: I must wear sunscreen everyday, whether it's summer or winter. My complexion is very fair and in my country the sun is always shinning... I can't sunbathe at summer because I become red as a lobster and I hate fake tan, so I always look white as a ghost :disappointed: The only thing that makes me happy is that I hope that when I'm older I will have less wrinkles than the people my age, because I never leave home without sunscreen :grin:
I also think that slavic people tend to age faster. I see many immigrants from eastern Europe and they usually look aged and tired even if they are not very old, but I guess their apparence is also affected by the way life has been on them...

You are a very intelligent young woman, stay out of the sun and wear sunscreen. Even people who have a lot of melanin in their skin can get melanoma. However take vitamin D supplements and avoid cigarettes. Smoking also ages and thins your skin, if you look at a 35 year old woman who has smoked for 20 years and 35 year old non-smoking woman, you can really see the difference in their skin.

Mzungu mchagga
26-09-10, 20:02
I also think that slavic people tend to age faster. I see many immigrants from eastern Europe and they usually look aged and tired even if they are not very old, but I guess their apparence is also affected by the way life has been on them...

Yes, that's what I meant with social background. Meet some eastern Europeans with a higher status and they will look better and fresher!

Formerly I also had the impression that lighter skinned people from the US South and Australia tend to look older than lighter skinned people the same age in northern Europe because of higher radiation in those southern places. But northern Europe is catching up very fast due to solariums.

Cambrius (The Red)
26-09-10, 21:23
Football players are no the best people to morph.

Marianne
27-09-10, 00:58
You are a very intelligent young woman, stay out of the sun and wear sunscreen. Even people who have a lot of melanin in their skin can get melanoma. However take vitamin D supplements and avoid cigarettes. Smoking also ages and thins your skin, if you look at a 35 year old woman who has smoked for 20 years and 35 year old non-smoking woman, you can really see the difference in their skin.
You are absolutely right. Melanoma should be taken seriously, especially in countries with a lot of sunshine. I believe it is more dangerous for people who tend to tan fast and a lot than for people who are pale.
People who are pale are aware that they get burned easily when they are exposed to the sun so usually they take all the necessary precautions (they wear sunscreen, avoid the sun between 11:00-16:00 etc) since they know they won't tan anyway. But people who tend to tan forget to wear sunscreen avoid it on purpose and they stay in the sun a lot because they think they are naturally protected and also because they want to tan more and more. So they are the ones who usually end up at the hospital with melanoma.
Apart from melanoma, sun makes people age. For example, England is a country with a lot of moisture in the atmosphere and the sun usually stays hidden. If you look at English men and women that are close to 70 you will probably think they are close to 60.

As for smoking, apart from the obvious side effects like lung cancer and heart diseases, it causes skin aging, yellow nails and teeth, smelly clothes and breath. I'm lucky I was born in a family where no one smokes so I was raised with the same principles.

iodalach_draiodoir
01-10-10, 05:15
You are absolutely right. Melanoma should be taken seriously, especially in countries with a lot of sunshine. I believe it is more dangerous for people who tend to tan fast and a lot than for people who are pale.
People who are pale are aware that they get burned easily when they are exposed to the sun so usually they take all the necessary precautions (they wear sunscreen, avoid the sun between 11:00-16:00 etc) since they know they won't tan anyway. But people who tend to tan forget to wear sunscreen avoid it on purpose and they stay in the sun a lot because they think they are naturally protected and also because they want to tan more and more. So they are the ones who usually end up at the hospital with melanoma.
Apart from melanoma, sun makes people age. For example, England is a country with a lot of moisture in the atmosphere and the sun usually stays hidden. If you look at English men and women that are close to 70 you will probably think they are close to 60.

As for smoking, apart from the obvious side effects like lung cancer and heart diseases, it causes skin aging, yellow nails and teeth, smelly clothes and breath. I'm lucky I was born in a family where no one smokes so I was raised with the same principles.

I live and was born in Rio, Brazil, homeland of the sun... and unfortunately I couldn't develop the habit of using sunscreen all the time, probably because it was not considered such important during my childhood and teenage. I just use sunscreen when I go to the beach. Anyway, it is true that anyone should use it at anytime...

My wife is dermatologist and it is totally true you shall not take any sun at all, or take it using 50 sunscreen and only in the lower sunlight periods of the day. My wife is 50 and looks like 34, she always took care because is very white and has light eyes, like Marianne she becomes a lobster or even a shrimp when takes sun :laughing:

Carlitos
02-10-10, 00:10
It must be very careful with the sun in Spain fashion sun was adopted right away, due to tourism. We have spent sunbathing, outrageous and the worst times of the day, people used cream without sunscreen to get darker once I went with some neighbors to the beach and tan and wore a mixture of eggs with oil, I thought !: this is mayonnaise, then came the sunscreen and were bought for less protection, are now almost everyone buys high protection sunscreen, but is still fashionable to lie in the sun to burn the skin are dangerous fashion.

http://bligoo.com/media/users/0/34042/images/sol.jpg
I do not know in other countries, but in Spain when you install a fashion, continues Centenier.

Norþman
02-10-10, 00:51
:thinking:
I don't fully understand what you want to say, but I think what you are trying to tell is that Germanic people age at a higher speed than, for example, Mediterranian folks. Interestingly northern Europeans have a vice versa kind of thought. They also think that Slavic people age faster than other Europeans.
My personal opinion is that the aging rate is more dependend on social background than race. People with lower education and low income, those who have to struggle more in life, usually age a little faster. So the social hierarchy which the people have in the country they are coming from, and so the ones you have to do with, plays a great role. Also, when traveling you observe the people of the country you are visiting more intensivley than propably your own people. And this includes the elderly, those you wouldn't stare at in your home country.

But in some point I agree with you: people with lighter skin tend to have wrinkles earlier in life than people with darker skin, due to radiation of ultraviolet light. And as especially many people with lighter skin tend to sunbath much more, they... age earlier! And in Germany young people go to tan studios waaaay to much.

I think you are right with this post, I also think ageing as got allot to do with social surrounding , For example , If your brought up in a run down area you are more likely to smoke and eat bad food and do very little exercise , This type of living can age people .


I wouldn't go as far as saying Northerners have got bad skin tho , it depends on how you take care of yourself in my opinion.

LeBrok
02-10-10, 04:22
It must be very careful with the sun in Spain fashion sun was adopted right away, due to tourism. We have spent sunbathing, outrageous and the worst times of the day, people used cream without sunscreen to get darker once I went with some neighbors to the beach and tan and wore a mixture of eggs with oil, I thought !: this is mayonnaise, then came the sunscreen and were bought for less protection, are now almost everyone buys high protection sunscreen, but is still fashionable to lie in the sun to burn the skin are dangerous fashion.

http://bligoo.com/media/users/0/34042/images/sol.jpg
I do not know in other countries, but in Spain when you install a fashion, continues Centenier.
Lol Carlitos, I thought she had read wet T shirt.

Norþman
02-10-10, 11:56
That looks so bad , Its got to be dangerous to expose yourself to the sun in that vashon , She looks like a fried turkey .

Carlitos
02-10-10, 15:39
I think people who swelter in the sun your skin are not aware of what they do, they are driven by fads like that.

LeBrok
02-10-10, 17:15
She's tough one anyway. Probably she's 60 or 70 and still no melanoma.

Carlitos
02-10-10, 23:38
I think nobody has noticed the problem, but it is possible that some people who sunbathe are so exaggerated mental or psychic illness like anorexia sufferers or vigorexia, could be called solarexia.




http://www.redfriki.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pic_12192771557986.jpg

He smiles!, Is unconscious.

edao
03-10-10, 12:03
Top 5 Skin Cancer hot spots....
http://images.forbes.com/media/2008/07/28/sundamage_03.jpg

At
5.Eastern Europe and Central Asia
4. Australasia, Asia Pacific and East Asia

3. Europe

2. Eastern Europe

..........drum roll please........
1. North America, Cuba

Source is here (http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/28/skin-cancer-hotspots-forbeslife-cx_avd_0728health_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=undefined )

edao
03-10-10, 12:08
Here is a break down by country source (http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/s/skin_cancer/stats-country.htm)

Cambrius (The Red)
03-10-10, 16:05
It must be very careful with the sun in Spain fashion sun was adopted right away, due to tourism. We have spent sunbathing, outrageous and the worst times of the day, people used cream without sunscreen to get darker once I went with some neighbors to the beach and tan and wore a mixture of eggs with oil, I thought !: this is mayonnaise, then came the sunscreen and were bought for less protection, are now almost everyone buys high protection sunscreen, but is still fashionable to lie in the sun to burn the skin are dangerous fashion.

http://bligoo.com/media/users/0/34042/images/sol.jpg
I do not know in other countries, but in Spain when you install a fashion, continues Centenier.

Wow!... Great example of major sun damage.

Cambrius (The Red)
03-10-10, 16:06
I think nobody has noticed the problem, but it is possible that some people who sunbathe are so exaggerated mental or psychic illness like anorexia sufferers or vigorexia, could be called solarexia.




http://www.redfriki.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pic_12192771557986.jpg

He smiles!, Is unconscious.

He won't be smiling in about 20 years, if he keeps exposing himself to the sun.

Mzungu mchagga
04-10-10, 11:19
Top 5 Skin Cancer hot spots....

At
5.Eastern Europe and Central Asia
4. Australasia, Asia Pacific and East Asia

3. Europe

2. Eastern Europe

..........drum roll please........
1. North America, Cuba


Please let me summarize it again:

5. Eastern Europe and Central Asia
.
3. Europe
2. Eastern Europe (again)

???

bud
04-10-10, 17:02
that lighter skinned people from the US South and Australia tend to look older than lighter skinned people the same age in northern Europe because of higher radiation in those southern places. But northern Europe is catching up very fast due to solariums.

I dunno, Im pretty pale yet at my age of 30 people think I am low 20s still!:good_job:

Carlitos
05-10-10, 16:07
We must recognize that a sun-tanned skin is more attractive, but the problems come when someone over the limit and is exposed to a melanoma.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_giHC31dFjtw/SqUBwEKICSI/AAAAAAAAAT8/RJMi80yjFNQ/s320/foto+mujer+bronceada1.jpg

http://d.mujer.hvimg.com/imagenes/belleza/20100622091540.jpg

julia90
07-10-10, 22:19
i think they are quite representative of their countries

LeBrok
08-10-10, 06:05
I like all the skin colours and shades, as long as they are healthy they look good and sexy.

Carlitos
08-10-10, 23:50
i think they are quite representative of their countries

Are representing themselves.

julia90
12-10-10, 01:20
i don't belive it.
they are rpresentative of their countries

Carlitos
12-10-10, 01:36
I have no idea which countries are the girls took the photos on the Internet.

Yorkie
19-10-10, 05:55
i put it, because it's a genetic isolate; it sands between southern europe (sw) and northern europe (nw).

here are the nordid composites:

Scotland
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9994/scotland12.th.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/scotland12.jpg/)
12 images

England
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4465/england36.th.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/england36.png/)
36 images

France
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/917/france16.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/france16.jpg/)
16 images


more scando

Netherlands
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/414/nederlands8.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/nederlands8.jpg/)
8 images

Germany
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7770/germany16.th.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/germany16.jpg/)
16 images

Sweden
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2168/sweden12.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sweden12.png/)
12 images

Very entertaining. For these composites to be truly representative, perhaps the French example should be slightly more sallow-complexioned. The Scots example might be more 'ruddy' with at least a hint of red in the hair. The English one is probably about right. The Netherlands one I recognise straight away from many a trip to Amsterdam. :good_job:

Yorkie
19-10-10, 05:59
I think nobody has noticed the problem, but it is possible that some people who sunbathe are so exaggerated mental or psychic illness like anorexia sufferers or vigorexia, could be called solarexia.




http://www.redfriki.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pic_12192771557986.jpg

He smiles!, Is unconscious.

I will never be able to eat boiled Lobster ever again after seeing this horrific photo. :petrified:

Canek
30-03-11, 19:13
Greece

Argentine
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5539/argentine32.th.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/argentine32.jpg/)
32 images


this is not very representative of the argentina, he should be more darker and with some amerindian features.

Carlitos
30-03-11, 22:53
this is not very representative of the argentina, he should be more darker and with some amerindian features.


Behavior typical of South America, they begin to creep among them who or what skin is darker and more Indian features as a form of contempt.I caught you!

Behavior typical of South America, they begin to creep among them who or what skin is darker and more Indian features as a form of contempt.I caught you! Idolatris why both white? and compets among you to see who or which country has more Spanish blood?

Canek
30-03-11, 23:07
you're confunding me with other latinamerican forummers probably. i'm not like that. you may see that i'm very proud of my "indian" legacy.

then again, i say that argentinians are overall more darker than the guy in that picture, and overall with more amerindian features.

btw, i am more darker than the typical argentinian and probably more "amerindian-look-alike" than the typical argentinian. so no problem from my part with that.

Carlitos
30-03-11, 23:48
you're confunding me with other latinamerican forummers probably. i'm not like that. you may see that i'm very proud of my "indian" legacy.

then again, i say that argentinians are overall more darker than the guy in that picture, and overall with more amerindian features.

btw, i am more darker than the typical argentinian and probably more "amerindian-look-alike" than the typical argentinian. so no problem from my part with that.



Do not go into dark light, is a matter of success in American forums, especially when arguing about who is more white (Spaniard) or dark Indian, or forty thousand complex of yours, which means but exhausted.

Canek
30-03-11, 23:50
it's sad but you're right, there is a lot of american forums full with that stupid american people discussing about who has more whites in his country.

but i'm not one of they, believe me. if you read my posts you see that i'm very proud of my native american brothers.

so please, do not generalize. bye.

Carlitos
30-03-11, 23:53
it's sad but you're right, there is a lot of american forums full with that stupid american people discussing about who has more whites in his country.

but i'm not one of they, believe me. if you read my posts you see that i'm very proud of my native american brothers.

so please, do not generalize. bye.


Goodbye, have a good night.

Canek
30-03-11, 23:55
thanks. you too. ;-)

sparkey
31-03-11, 00:06
Related: this study (http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000037), which basically shows that Amerind/European admixture in Argentina varies a lot within the country. So, while the Tucuman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Miguel_de_Tucum%C3%A1n) data sample was quite European, moreso than most of the other samples in the study (including those from outside Argentina... looks like only Southern Brazil, Colombia, and Costa Rica beat it), the Salta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salta) data sample was the most Amerind in the study, reaching over 60%.

Antigone
31-03-11, 07:10
Greece
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6440/greece24.th.png (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/greece24.png/)
24 images

Not representative of Greece either. I can give as many examples of Greeks who are red haired & blue eyed, blonde & blue eyed, dark and blue eyed, brown haired & green eyed, both white & dark skinned.

I can't agree with categorisation, stereotyping or like to indulge in gross generalisations. The only thing these photos are representative of is themselves.

PS And how come all the photos in threads like this are of beautiful people? Are really attractive people representative of any population? I'd say no, they are an extreme minority.

Canek
31-03-11, 13:23
i hope julia90 don't feel offended by this because is an impressibe job what she did. but this "study" is simply ridiculous. you don't see a good representation of each population by morphing some players of their national team of football.

julia90
31-03-11, 22:23
it does show averages traits you can find in a population, i think they are useful and representative.
for example the average of italy is different of the average of russia, or sweden.

julia90
31-03-11, 22:27
Not representative of Greece either. I can give as many examples of Greeks who are red haired & blue eyed, blonde & blue eyed, dark and blue eyed, brown haired & green eyed, both white & dark skinned.

I can't agree with categorisation, stereotyping or like to indulge in gross generalisations. The only thing these photos are representative of is themselves.

PS And how come all the photos in threads like this are of beautiful people? Are really attractive people representative of any population? I'd say no, they are an extreme minority.
i think he's representative of the averages and most diffised facial traits you find in greece. he's different from the extremes he's the average of greece.

Mzungu mchagga
31-03-11, 23:00
But for what do you think it is useful?
I just had a look on your blog again and I think you did some interesting and great work! :good_job:
But still I don't get the sense behind it. You said you are so obsessed with looks and faces at one point. Why? :smile:

julia90
31-03-11, 23:20
because there are genetic differences (and also on facial look, and phisical look too) on people from different places.

Mzungu mchagga
31-03-11, 23:28
That was not the answer to my question. I will try to put it differently again: Why is it important to know the average of faces of different places? For movies, for marketing, for medical research, for forensic etc...? Or just for fun?

julia90
31-03-11, 23:31
i think it's just my interest on the genetic variability you find in some places and in others, when i go abroad i notice the differences in look with italy, it's interesting to know the ethnicities of the people and the common look we see in them.
i think is just for my personal interest and for the people who have my same interest

Mzungu mchagga
31-03-11, 23:38
Ok, that is fine with me! ;-)

julia90
31-03-11, 23:44
do you find them representatives of their ethnicities?

Mzungu mchagga
01-04-11, 00:01
Well, to put it this way: The interesting thing is, from my very point of view, that when you morph all the footballplayers of certain countries to one average together, I think they all get more similiar to each other. Except for the one of Turkey, they could all easily pass as German in the streets Germany, without getting noticed. If they said they are German, everyone here would believe them:



Scotland
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9994/scotland12.th.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/scotland12.jpg/)
12 images

England
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4465/england36.th.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/england36.png/)
36 images

France
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/917/france16.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/france16.jpg/)
16 images

Netherlands
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/414/nederlands8.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/nederlands8.jpg/)
8 images

Sweden
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2168/sweden12.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sweden12.png/)
12 images


Greece
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6440/greece24.th.png (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/greece24.png/)
24 images

Turkey
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9493/turkey16.th.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/turkey16.jpg/)
16 images

italy
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2015/italy48.th.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/italy48.jpg/)
48 images

Argentine
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5539/argentine32.th.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/argentine32.jpg/)
32 images

Spain
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2235/spain96.th.png (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/spain96.png/)
96 images

Spain http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5872/spain24.th.png (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/spain24.png/)
24 images

Only the morph of Turkey is one exception, but only due to his darker skin. If his skin was lighter, he could pass as German, too. And I guess this also applies for other European countries.

But why would someone want to morph all footballplayers together? There is not the Italian, but there are many types of Italians which are all typical for the country. And this is what I think the richness of a nation is about: variety!

julia90
01-04-11, 00:03
i think the italian couldn't pass as german, there are dark haired germans but their facial features are different, darker germans are of celtic origin.

i'd say those who can pass as germans are the scottish, english, french, duch, swedish, and the last spanish who is of mostly basque players.

Mzungu mchagga
01-04-11, 00:08
This Italian morph above could pass as German! Even if he doesn't look typical German, and some might say "you look somewhat Italian", still they wouldn't doubt that he really is German if he said so.

Canek
01-04-11, 00:12
this is much better: http://www.mediadump.com/hosted-id167-average-faces-from-around-the-world.html

http://www.mediadump.com/post/average-faces/Argentine.jpg

(you can see other nationalities in the same link. they are more representative)

julia90
01-04-11, 00:16
well some italians could pass as germans other (the majority, i'd say no.)

people like these (italians) couldn't pass as germans of german origins, but as german of other origins (immigrants)
http://www.internet-news.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/caterina_balivo.jpg
http://www.ads-news.com/wp-content/uploads/Luca-Argentero.jpg
http://www.musicandfreetime.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Laura+Pausini.jpg

while these italian could pass as germans:
http://www.massimopia.it/servizi/Licia%20Col%C3%B2/Licia%20Col%C3%B2.jpg
http://www.montalbano.tv/files/images/alessia-merz_3.preview.jpg
http://realityshow.blogosfere.it/images/antonacci%20cover01.jpg
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Assets/Imgs/06_mondiali_olimpiadi/sudafrica_2010/foto_azzurri_figc/MAGGIO--400x300.jpg


here's in my opinion a cross of look, celtic-germanic look plus mediterranean, east mediterranean look, balkanic:

Lisa Eldelstein
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_34PE0ZEgM80/TPO_ZmF94uI/AAAAAAAAZ10/JNmcDxf1pbE/s1600/38358.jpg
http://www.express-news.it/wp-content/uploads//2009/07/lisa_edelstein_0_0_0x0_365x387.jpg
http://cdn.blogs.sheknows.com/celebsalon.sheknows.com//2009/09/lisa-edelstein-long-sleek-hairstyle-685x1024.jpg

Mzungu mchagga
01-04-11, 00:23
No, no you missed my point!
There are many Italians who couldn't pass as Germans, and many Germans who couldn't pass as Italians. Especially when you look for extremes like in Sicily or Eastern Frisia.

What I wanted to say was, when you morph all individuals of a European nation to one average together, they would easily be in the range of variance of any other European nation. Do you know what I mean?

julia90
01-04-11, 00:28
well, indeed the morph as averages are quite similar to each others but there are however some differences between them.

Mzungu mchagga
01-04-11, 00:31
Sure. I never doubted that. Still I thought it is interesting to see that they get more similiar to each other, and all morphs lie in the variance of phenotypes of other European nations.

Antigone
01-04-11, 07:12
i think he's representative of the averages and most diffised facial traits you find in greece. he's different from the extremes he's the average of greece.


No he is not. I live in Greece and see Greek people everyday and can say that there are no "average" facial features, as in any European population everyone is different. There may be an average skull shape, but not for facial features and colouring.

Canek
01-04-11, 12:51
julia90, don't be upset. your job was really really nice. but making morphing of a few players of football to representate each nationality is not very scientific.

you can't ask us (the people of this forum) to take your morphings like a scientific reality.

bye.

Canek
02-04-11, 18:07
Related: this study (http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000037), which basically shows that Amerind/European admixture in Argentina varies a lot within the country. So, while the Tucuman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Miguel_de_Tucum%C3%A1n) data sample was quite European, moreso than most of the other samples in the study (including those from outside Argentina... looks like only Southern Brazil, Colombia, and Costa Rica beat it), the Salta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salta) data sample was the most Amerind in the study, reaching over 60%.

thank you for the source sparkey. here another study of the university of buenos aires:

argentinians
http://coleccion.educ.ar/coleccion/CD9/contenidos/img/sobre/mapa_genes.gif
http://portal.educ.ar/noticias/ciencia-y-tecnologia/mapa-genetico-de-la-poblacion.php

yellow = only amerindian
green = mtdna amerindian
blue = ydna amerindian
red = only non-amerindian

Cambrius (The Red)
02-04-11, 18:17
Morphs do not provide accurate average phenotypes basically because samplings are much too small. There can also be significant intra-country differences by region.

Cambrius (The Red)
02-04-11, 18:20
Well, to put it this way: The interesting thing is, from my very point of view, that when you morph all the footballplayers of certain countries to one average together, I think they all get more similiar to each other. Except for the one of Turkey, they could all easily pass as German in the streets Germany, without getting noticed. If they said they are German, everyone here would believe them:



Scotland
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9994/scotland12.th.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/scotland12.jpg/)
12 images

England
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4465/england36.th.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/england36.png/)
36 images

France
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/917/france16.th.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/france16.jpg/)
16 images

Netherlands
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/414/nederlands8.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/i/nederlands8.jpg/)
8 images

Sweden
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2168/sweden12.th.png (http://img215.imageshack.us/i/sweden12.png/)
12 images


Greece
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/6440/greece24.th.png (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/greece24.png/)
24 images

Turkey
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9493/turkey16.th.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/turkey16.jpg/)
16 images

italy
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2015/italy48.th.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/italy48.jpg/)
48 images

Argentine
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/5539/argentine32.th.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/argentine32.jpg/)
32 images

Spain
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2235/spain96.th.png (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/spain96.png/)
96 images

Spain http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5872/spain24.th.png (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/spain24.png/)
24 images

Only the morph of Turkey is one exception, but only due to his darker skin. If his skin was lighter, he could pass as German, too. And I guess this also applies for other European countries.

But why would someone want to morph all footballplayers together? There is not the Italian, but there are many types of Italians which are all typical for the country. And this is what I think the richness of a nation is about: variety!

As I've said previously, outdoor athletes are terrible samples, for obvious reasons.

how yes no 2
02-04-11, 19:46
much larger sample per country is needed than a football team and some kind of clustering algorithm because one cannot group all faces of a country in single chunk...

plus, football players are not always in origin from country for which they play... E.g. Slovenia has many players who origin from Serbia, Bosnia, think from Croatia as well....

Carlitos
02-04-11, 22:03
It looks like the same guy.

Canek
03-04-11, 13:11
Morphs do not provide accurate average phenotypes basically because samplings are much too small. There can also be significant intra-country differences by region.

yes i agree with cambria words