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r_will
24-11-10, 14:34
In one I2 thread a user is directed to this link dgmweb.net/DNA/General/Hg-I-subclades-FTDNA-order.html by Maciamo as his source for labeling the subclade of a user.

My 393 = 12 and on the list in only one spot where nothing else matches. Is 393 = 12 anything out of the ordinary and how can I see what subclade I am from then?

Here is my DYS... Thanks, very intelligent board here!

DYS#

393
390
19*
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389-1
392
389-2
Alleles

12
24
16
11
14
15
11
13
13
13
11
30

how yes no 2
28-11-10, 14:40
I am not an expert, but as a complete amateur looking at:
http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/Hg-I-subclades-FTDNA-order.html

it doesnot fit at all in classification, it looks as still undefined separate branch...

you can try to look at family tree dna I2* project and try to register there...
that might trigger change in classification of I2 branches... e.g. introducing new I2* or I2a* branch for you..

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/default.aspx

Yorkie
30-11-10, 18:07
In one I2 thread a user is directed to this link dgmweb.net/DNA/General/Hg-I-subclades-FTDNA-order.html by Maciamo as his source for labeling the subclade of a user.

My 393 = 12 and on the list in only one spot where nothing else matches. Is 393 = 12 anything out of the ordinary and how can I see what subclade I am from then?

Here is my DYS... Thanks, very intelligent board here!

DYS#

393
390
19*
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389-1
392
389-2
Alleles

12
24
16
11
14
15
11
13
13
13
11

30


I must have missed this. Looking at your mini-haplotype of 12 STR markers, it is fairly easy to identify your Ydna sequence as belonging to I2a2. Specifically, you appear to belong to Ken Nordtvedt's M423 I2a2a-Dinaric clade, but it is not possible with so few STR markers to determine whether you belong to either M423 I2a2a-Dinaric-North or to I2a2a-Dinaric-South. Ten of your markers fit both clades perfectly. The only places where you have slight variations from the modal haplotypes are at dys 393, where you are 12 and the usual value is 13, and at dys 389 b where you are 30 and the usual value is 31. However, mutations happen. Your sequence definately fits for either of the I2a2a-Dinaric haplogroups.

I2a2a-Dinaric is found in eastern Europe, especially prevalent in the Balkan countries.

r_will
30-11-10, 19:23
I must have missed this. Looking at your mini-haplotype of 12 STR markers, it is fairly easy to identify your Ydna sequence as belonging to I2a2. Specifically, you appear to belong to Ken Nordtvedt's M423 I2a2a-Dinaric clade, but it is not possible with so few STR markers to determine whether you belong to either M423 I2a2a-Dinaric-North or to I2a2a-Dinaric-South. Ten of your markers fit both clades perfectly. The only places where you have slight variations from the modal haplotypes are at dys 393, where you are 12 and the usual value is 13, and at dys 389 b where you are 30 and the usual value is 31. However, mutations happen. Your sequence definately fits for either of the I2a2a-Dinaric haplogroups.

I2a2a-Dinaric is found in eastern Europe, especially prevalent in the Balkan countries.

Thank you!

Here is my full test

PANEL 1 (1-12)




DYS#
393




390
19*
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389-1
392
389-2



Alleles
12




24
16
11
14
15
11
13
13
13
11
30


PANEL 2 (13-25)




DYS#
458




459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a**
464b**
464c**
464d**



Alleles
17




8
10
11
11
25
15
20
32
12
14
15
15


PANEL 3 (26-37)




DYS#
460




GATA H4
YCA II a
YCA II b
456
607
576
570
CDY a
CDY b
442
438



Alleles
10




10
21
21
15
12
18
18
34
35
11
10


PANEL 4 (38 - 47)




DYS#
531




578
395S1a
395S1b
590
537
641
472
406S1
511



Alleles
11




8
15
15
7
12
10
8
11
9






What do these small mutations mean? I think i correctly matched myself up with Din-N ... So if some of the markers are off can I now trace further where my ancestors settled later(UK, Austria, etc...)?

Yorkie
30-11-10, 20:00
Thank you!

Here is my full test

PANEL 1 (1-12)







DYS#
393







390
19*
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389-1
392
389-2






Alleles
12







24
16
11
14
15
11
13
13
13
11
30


PANEL 2 (13-25)







DYS#
458







459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a**
464b**
464c**
464d**






Alleles
17







8
10
11
11
25
15
20
32
12
14
15
15


PANEL 3 (26-37)







DYS#
460







GATA H4
YCA II a
YCA II b
456
607
576
570
CDY a
CDY b
442
438






Alleles
10







10
21
21
15
12
18
18
34
35
11
10


PANEL 4 (38 - 47)







DYS#
531







578
395S1a
395S1b
590
537
641
472
406S1
511






Alleles
11







8
15
15
7
12
10
8
11
9






What do these small mutations mean? I think i correctly matched myself up with Din-N ... So if some of the markers are off can I now trace further where my ancestors settled later(UK, Austria, etc...)?

Without checking all your STR values [I'm a bit pushed for time], I'll take it that you are sure it is 'Dinaric-North' and not 'Dinaric-South'. I'm glad I could point you in the right direction. The small mutations on your initial 12 marker haplotype might not mean much. Mutations happen. I have some slight variations from the norm on my own L161 I2a2b-Isles signature.

However, I have just noticed something of interest about one of your dys values on the panels. You are 20 at dys 448. I believe that a specifically Russian variant of I2a2a-Dinaric has this feature. What I strongly suggest is that you contact an expert on I haplogroup, my friend Ken Nordtvedt. I will send you a private message with Ken's email address. He will be able to confirm my identification properly and offer you the best advice. I am an I haplogroup enthusiast [one Grandfather was I2a2b-Isles, the other I1-Norse] but Ken is the real expert. He named the clade 'Dinaric' in the first place.

What is your ethnicity? I2a2a-Dinaric is effectively absent in the UK, and I note that you mention the UK. Dinaric is a very eastern European clade.

r_will
30-11-10, 21:03
Really great info!

The ethnicity on my father's side I do not know - I never knew him or know anything about him. It's how I got interested in all this... I said UK just based on the map showing the different locations of M423.

Thanks!

Yorkie
30-11-10, 21:26
Really great info!

The ethnicity on my father's side I do not know - I never knew him or know anything about him. It's how I got interested in all this... I said UK just based on the map showing the different locations of M423.

Thanks!

It is a pleasure. Don't forget to let me know what Ken Nordtvedt makes of your results. Again, they look like a Russian variant of I2a2a-Dinaric to me. :good_job: