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how yes no 2
19-12-10, 15:15
I would like to start topic about links between culture, genetics and history...
culture can be about customs, or about traditional clothing...
for instance let's start with some traditional hat/cap
e.g. Barretina

A barretina is a traditional hat that was frequently worn by men in parts of the Christian cultures of the Mediterranean sea such as Catalonia, the Valencian Community, Ibiza, Provence, Corsica, Sicily, Sardinia, part of Naples, part of the Balkans and parts of Portugal.

btw. I do not know in what part of Balkans it is/was used, perhaps in part of Greece..


Valencian community
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Localitzaci%C3%B3_del_Pa%C3%ADs_Valenci%C3%A0_resp ecte_a_Espanya.svg/250px-Localitzaci%C3%B3_del_Pa%C3%ADs_Valenci%C3%A0_resp ecte_a_Espanya.svg.png


on first glance, I would say that mentioned places overlap pretty good with Greek colonies


as for haplogroups, closest match would be J2



the original origin of the design might be Phrygian cap

interestingly, Phrygian cap was in Greece used to denote non-Greeks

In Antiquity, the Phrygian cap had two connotations: for the Greeks as showing a distinctive Eastern influence of non-Greek "barbarism" (in the classical sense) and among the Romans as a badge of liberty. The Phrygian cap identifies Trojans such as Paris in vase-paintings and sculpture, and it is worn by the syncretic Persian saviour god Mithras and by the Anatolian god Attis who were later adopted by Romans and Hellenic cultures. The twins Castor and Pollux wear a superficially similar round cap called the pileus.
The Phrygian cap that was also worn by King Midas to hide the donkey ears given to him as a curse by Apollo, was first referred to in Aristophanes' Ploutos (388BC) but illustrated in vase-paintings a generation earlier.[1] Greeks were already picturing the people of Midas wearing the tall peaked caps before the earliest surviving literary sources: a mid-sixth century Laconian cup depicts the capture of Silenus at a fountain house, by armed men in Eastern costume and pointed caps.[2]
In vase-paintings and other Greek art, the Phrygian cap serves to identify the Trojan hero Paris as non-Greek; Roman poets habitually use the epithet "Phrygian" to mean Trojan. The Phrygian cap can also be seen on the Trajan's Column carvings, worn by the Dacians, and on the Arch of Septimius Severus worn by the Parthians.

btw. from what I can see Barretina introduces black stripe on bottom part of Phrygian cap

similar evolution of hat colours (originally completely red as Phrygian cap, and than black stripe introduced at bottom part as in Berretina) we have in traditional cap in Montenegro


The cap is originally in the shape of a flat cylinder, having a red upper surface (called tepelak) not dissimilar to the Herzegovina and Lika caps. It was wholesomely red until Prince-Bishop Petar II Petrović Njegoš surrounded it with a black rim (called derevija)[1], and the definition given was as a sign of grief of occupied Kosovo.

I find it also interesting that Phrygian cap is worn by Dacians and Troyans, and that there is legend of germanic Franks as originating from Troyans...

in fact, in Serbia names for Franks seems to have been Fruzi (Frug for singular), which is very alike to word for Phrygia

The mountain's name derives from the old Serbian name for the Frankish people: Fruzi (sing. Frug; adj. Fruški). The literal translation of "Fruška Gora" would be "the Frankish Mountain". It received this name due to its function as a natural border during Frankish campaigns. During the time of the Roman Empire, its name was Alma Mons ("Fertile Mount").