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Perhaps ignoring the rest of Europe that many Spanish do not believe in the supposed Arab invasion of Spain, for this reason in this thread at least be able to see another side of the story as an antidote to the beast and interested more lie ever told on the part of our history.
"Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. "
Thomas Henry Houxley.
THIS IS WHAT HISTORY TELLS U.S. OFFICIAL
711, 7,000 Arabs entered the command of TARIC rate, and another 18,000 shortly after entering the command of Musa, who was born in Mecca at that time is about seventy-one years old, 25,000 men in total.
We were told that in three years to conquer a territory of 584,192 square kilometers, inhabited by several million people organized in Visigothic monarchy and belonging, many of them, to the decadent Greco-Roman culture.
That is, in the period of three years, each of those 25,000 Arabs have to make the effort to win approximately 23 square kilometers and, last but not least, also part of France to conquer and convert all that vast territory to Islam. All in three years!. They alone, with his back exposed, without knowing the language and the support necessary to equip the troops invading exigua.
What the Roman legions failed in three hundred years of bloody conquest, with all its military and logistical support from the Gauls, they get 25,000 Arabs who came from as far uncultivated desert. And as they did tell us after crossing thousands of miles of North Africa, without knowing the horseshoe with which shoeing horses that do not have (the Arabian desert does not) and with bare backs.
We know that some historians agree with the official version, and thus continues to teach in our schools. But today is more difficult to defend this position in light of modern research, archaeological finds, and free of pressure from certain powers interested in maintaining it.
If today we can not deny what is apparently a historical fraud, the simple common sense and what we suggest.
A CRITICAL REFLECTION
That will be a constructive discussion of this approach, with a brief overview of the history and social and cultural situation of the Arabs in those years. As for a historical claim to be considered true, is to be founded on sound science, not fable.
The Arabian peninsula had, at that time, with a population of about a million or million and a half, made up of tribes locked in struggle with each other and with a very primitive tribal culture. During the first two centuries of expansion of Islam, as a strong idea, the vast majority of Arabs were illiterate. Hence the interest of the Prophet Muhammad * (Muhammad) to learn to read and write.
The year 640 Muhammad died, having spent part of his life to peace between the tribes, and convey an idea of God as-Sinaitic Abrahamic tradition, replacing the polytheistic paganism. Thus Allah was not a god, not even Zeus - Deus Greco-Roman design, but La-divinity, Allah.
Before his death he had repeatedly asked his followers to practice the search for wisdom, for in those days had not yet established an Arab culture, and after we met.
Muhammad happen the first Caliphs, due to tribal fighting for power are mostly killed, like his son Ali and his grandson Hussein, who was beheaded. In these culture conditions were not to offer, but a project done, the Islam, which at that time was not well known to many of those Arabs. Although it seems, at present, neither is well known for some "there" or by other "here."
The inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula had no economy to equip large armies, nor enough people to train, and national unity to support them. In any case could have been responsible for small tribal raids, incursions or minor war once pacified themselves.
SAUDI
Except in some few areas of the coast was and is a barren desert whose main source of income at the time, were the trade and plunder of the caravans. The fertile Medina and Mecca, the desert located in the Yemen-Syria axis, were hubs for the passage of caravans. In the early seventh century were still bound trade route between East and West.
However, despite these challenges difficult to overcome, the official history tells us that those few and uneducated Arabs, warring among themselves, they had conquered Syria in 635, the Ctesiphon in 637, Palestine in 639, and 639 Mesopotamia at 641.
In the middle of the conquest of Mesopotamia, from 640 to 643 dominate Iran, Alexandria, 642, and then Egypt. And from Alexandria Tunisia conquer all, 3,000 kmts, distance, between the years 647 to 701.
Between gesture and deed conquer Tripoli 647, at 649 Cyprus, the 664 is going to India to conquer the Punjab. In 670 cross the Libyan desert to conquer the North African desertification full press climate. From 705 to 7l5 again retake the conquest of India, to clinch the Indus Valley to its mouth. Realising a hurry because the 711 had an appointment with our Hispanic history in the battle of Guadalete to win in three years, 584,192 square kilometers of the Iberian Peninsula, southern France and turn us all to Islam. In the 720 come to Narbonne in the 725 conquer Autun. Finally in 732 Charles Martel stops them. Frankly, unbelievable!
Recall that Muhammad dies 640, and if he has devoted his life to pacify the tribes, without achieving the desired stability, either before or immediately after death can engage the Arabs in conquering such extensive territories. Since, as mentioned, nor the tribes were pacified, and the Arabian Peninsula was finally established in a State, nor Islam was definitely settled, nor had the people or the means to perform such a feat.
But we face another difficulty. According to the historian Theophanes, the low Arab fleet was massacred in front of Constantinople in 678, because of a new weapon used by the Byzantines, "Greek fire", a Syrian invention called Callinicos. As Mu'awiya b. Abu Sufian, founder of the Umayyad dynasty, who died on 680, and after the murder of Caliph Ali, son of Muhammad, was forced to pay tribute to Byzantium.
In 711
Arab naval power was very low, was commercial and in any case prepared for defensive or very small raids. As we said did not know the shoe, or the desert can support large herds of horses, which are incompatible with the camels. They did not speak the languages of these countries "conquered", did not have enough military or territorial cohesion, and supply facilities for the troops. But ... carried out the conquest of territory so vast, and without sufficient knowledge or culture, the conversion to the new religion in less than a century and in charge of a few ignorant Bedouin quarreling with each other?. Does this make any sense?.
Common sense tells us there is no chance, unless there are new reliable reviews, or to resort to miracle-tale or, as seems to be that it happened, to explain something that could have developed differently.
Certainly, Spain has been Muslim majority or a large part, as a nation-Andalus, for centuries, and the Arabic language was integrated into our culture, as it did centuries before Latin. But this will not change the previous diversity of our ethnic group, or due to the invasion of another people. Could be due, as before, the acceptance of an innovative idea by the Hispanic population, whose religion in some regions, Arian Unitarian Christianity, became the vehicle for change.
A NATURAL AND LOGICAL POSSIBILITY
Does exist for the transformation of the territories Islamized in the world. And is that these countries were won over to the new idea by the intervention of well-trained preachers merchants. It is clear from the history of early Islam by reading the biography of Muhammad, we note that did send messengers to different parts of the world then known, and in this issue are all critics agree. So this is what could happen in our land.
Here are some examples.
We know from recent history, in the XV and XVI, Islam spreads to Indonesia by traders preachers, not military action.
In modern times also introduced into the Pacific islands to be those under colonial rule of Portuguese and Dutch. And it introduces sub-Saharan Africa during the colonial period in England, France and Portugal, while the Europeans only to realize the event.
If the recent past has happened that Islam did not need to be imposed by force but by the study and knowledge of its enactment, is not it likely that it could also happen in the distant past in our land?
"Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored. "
Thomas Henry Houxley.
THIS IS WHAT HISTORY TELLS U.S. OFFICIAL
711, 7,000 Arabs entered the command of TARIC rate, and another 18,000 shortly after entering the command of Musa, who was born in Mecca at that time is about seventy-one years old, 25,000 men in total.
We were told that in three years to conquer a territory of 584,192 square kilometers, inhabited by several million people organized in Visigothic monarchy and belonging, many of them, to the decadent Greco-Roman culture.
That is, in the period of three years, each of those 25,000 Arabs have to make the effort to win approximately 23 square kilometers and, last but not least, also part of France to conquer and convert all that vast territory to Islam. All in three years!. They alone, with his back exposed, without knowing the language and the support necessary to equip the troops invading exigua.
What the Roman legions failed in three hundred years of bloody conquest, with all its military and logistical support from the Gauls, they get 25,000 Arabs who came from as far uncultivated desert. And as they did tell us after crossing thousands of miles of North Africa, without knowing the horseshoe with which shoeing horses that do not have (the Arabian desert does not) and with bare backs.
We know that some historians agree with the official version, and thus continues to teach in our schools. But today is more difficult to defend this position in light of modern research, archaeological finds, and free of pressure from certain powers interested in maintaining it.
If today we can not deny what is apparently a historical fraud, the simple common sense and what we suggest.
A CRITICAL REFLECTION
That will be a constructive discussion of this approach, with a brief overview of the history and social and cultural situation of the Arabs in those years. As for a historical claim to be considered true, is to be founded on sound science, not fable.
The Arabian peninsula had, at that time, with a population of about a million or million and a half, made up of tribes locked in struggle with each other and with a very primitive tribal culture. During the first two centuries of expansion of Islam, as a strong idea, the vast majority of Arabs were illiterate. Hence the interest of the Prophet Muhammad * (Muhammad) to learn to read and write.
The year 640 Muhammad died, having spent part of his life to peace between the tribes, and convey an idea of God as-Sinaitic Abrahamic tradition, replacing the polytheistic paganism. Thus Allah was not a god, not even Zeus - Deus Greco-Roman design, but La-divinity, Allah.
Before his death he had repeatedly asked his followers to practice the search for wisdom, for in those days had not yet established an Arab culture, and after we met.
Muhammad happen the first Caliphs, due to tribal fighting for power are mostly killed, like his son Ali and his grandson Hussein, who was beheaded. In these culture conditions were not to offer, but a project done, the Islam, which at that time was not well known to many of those Arabs. Although it seems, at present, neither is well known for some "there" or by other "here."
The inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula had no economy to equip large armies, nor enough people to train, and national unity to support them. In any case could have been responsible for small tribal raids, incursions or minor war once pacified themselves.
SAUDI
Except in some few areas of the coast was and is a barren desert whose main source of income at the time, were the trade and plunder of the caravans. The fertile Medina and Mecca, the desert located in the Yemen-Syria axis, were hubs for the passage of caravans. In the early seventh century were still bound trade route between East and West.
However, despite these challenges difficult to overcome, the official history tells us that those few and uneducated Arabs, warring among themselves, they had conquered Syria in 635, the Ctesiphon in 637, Palestine in 639, and 639 Mesopotamia at 641.
In the middle of the conquest of Mesopotamia, from 640 to 643 dominate Iran, Alexandria, 642, and then Egypt. And from Alexandria Tunisia conquer all, 3,000 kmts, distance, between the years 647 to 701.
Between gesture and deed conquer Tripoli 647, at 649 Cyprus, the 664 is going to India to conquer the Punjab. In 670 cross the Libyan desert to conquer the North African desertification full press climate. From 705 to 7l5 again retake the conquest of India, to clinch the Indus Valley to its mouth. Realising a hurry because the 711 had an appointment with our Hispanic history in the battle of Guadalete to win in three years, 584,192 square kilometers of the Iberian Peninsula, southern France and turn us all to Islam. In the 720 come to Narbonne in the 725 conquer Autun. Finally in 732 Charles Martel stops them. Frankly, unbelievable!
Recall that Muhammad dies 640, and if he has devoted his life to pacify the tribes, without achieving the desired stability, either before or immediately after death can engage the Arabs in conquering such extensive territories. Since, as mentioned, nor the tribes were pacified, and the Arabian Peninsula was finally established in a State, nor Islam was definitely settled, nor had the people or the means to perform such a feat.
But we face another difficulty. According to the historian Theophanes, the low Arab fleet was massacred in front of Constantinople in 678, because of a new weapon used by the Byzantines, "Greek fire", a Syrian invention called Callinicos. As Mu'awiya b. Abu Sufian, founder of the Umayyad dynasty, who died on 680, and after the murder of Caliph Ali, son of Muhammad, was forced to pay tribute to Byzantium.
In 711
Arab naval power was very low, was commercial and in any case prepared for defensive or very small raids. As we said did not know the shoe, or the desert can support large herds of horses, which are incompatible with the camels. They did not speak the languages of these countries "conquered", did not have enough military or territorial cohesion, and supply facilities for the troops. But ... carried out the conquest of territory so vast, and without sufficient knowledge or culture, the conversion to the new religion in less than a century and in charge of a few ignorant Bedouin quarreling with each other?. Does this make any sense?.
Common sense tells us there is no chance, unless there are new reliable reviews, or to resort to miracle-tale or, as seems to be that it happened, to explain something that could have developed differently.
Certainly, Spain has been Muslim majority or a large part, as a nation-Andalus, for centuries, and the Arabic language was integrated into our culture, as it did centuries before Latin. But this will not change the previous diversity of our ethnic group, or due to the invasion of another people. Could be due, as before, the acceptance of an innovative idea by the Hispanic population, whose religion in some regions, Arian Unitarian Christianity, became the vehicle for change.
A NATURAL AND LOGICAL POSSIBILITY
Does exist for the transformation of the territories Islamized in the world. And is that these countries were won over to the new idea by the intervention of well-trained preachers merchants. It is clear from the history of early Islam by reading the biography of Muhammad, we note that did send messengers to different parts of the world then known, and in this issue are all critics agree. So this is what could happen in our land.
Here are some examples.
We know from recent history, in the XV and XVI, Islam spreads to Indonesia by traders preachers, not military action.
In modern times also introduced into the Pacific islands to be those under colonial rule of Portuguese and Dutch. And it introduces sub-Saharan Africa during the colonial period in England, France and Portugal, while the Europeans only to realize the event.
If the recent past has happened that Islam did not need to be imposed by force but by the study and knowledge of its enactment, is not it likely that it could also happen in the distant past in our land?