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julia90
03-03-11, 15:05
he principle of Israel joining the European Union has been supported by some politicians in both Israel and Europe, including the former Israeli Foreign Minister, Silvan Shalom, former Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman and the Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi. Two Italian MEPs are currently campaigning in favour of Israeli membership. An opinion poll in 2004 showed that 85% of Israelis would support an application for membership.
The Israeli government has hinted several times that an EU membership bid is a possibility, but the EU itself proposes instead the closest possible integration "just short of full membership." Faster advancement of such plans is somewhat hampered by the current instability in the Middle East and conflicts in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Lebanon. European public opinion of some of Israel's policies - especially those related to the aforementioned areas of conflict is, in general, poor. Proponents of Israel's accession to the EU suggest that such accession would help promoting peace, because being a part of a strong alliance like the EU would allow Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories with no fear of risking its security.
The European Council has not been asked to take a stance regarding whether or not Israel is a European state, but similar circumstances to Morocco (being geographically outside Europe and without exceptional features such as CoE membership) will most likely preclude its inclusion as a full member into the EU as well. However, it can obtain a large degree of integration through the current and future EU Neighbourhood Policies — the former Spanish foreign minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos spoke out for a "privileged partnership, offering all the benefits of EU membership, without participation in the institutions". On 11 January 2005, industry commissioner and vice president of the commission Günter Verheugen even suggested the possibility of a monetary union and common market with Israel.
An argument for the inclusion of Israel into the EU as a full member is that it has a mostly "European" (or perhaps Europeanised) culture and thus forms an exclave in a largely Arab region. Israel also has a GDP per capita similar to many European countries. Some claim that allowing Israel into the EU would create a precedent for other geographically non-European countries to apply for membership, but in fact this precedent already exists as Cyprus, which is already a member state, is geographically in Asia. Proponents of Israel's accession to the EU claim that Israel's situation is similar to that of Cyprus - a country outside of Europe geographically, but a part of Europe culturally and socially.

julia90
08-03-11, 16:09
i think israel could be a valid candidate (economy), but islamic bombing is the main problem.

Antigone
08-03-11, 16:45
No because geographically Israel is not part of Europe.
No because Israel continues to defy UN resolutions.
No because Israel is expansionist and continues to settle and ethnically cleanse land that, according to the UN, does not belong to them.

Maciamo
09-03-11, 10:27
No, simply because it is not in Europe. If we started accepting countries where people can claim European descent, why not accept all American countries, South Africa, Australia and NZ ? That just wouldn't be a European Union anymore. I am not saying a greater union won't happen in the (not so near) future, but that's another debate.

GP850mAh
07-04-11, 20:08
no, for the same reason I'm against Turkey joining: they aren't european. Yes to trade and cooperation, no to membership.

Aconform
07-04-11, 21:59
Maybe if it was Global union… But not in European Union.
Also their economy is really bad. It receives insane amount of money from US in Aid. Its economy is based on forin Aid, so no go for EU.

It does not look like this will change in the near future therefore there is no way Israel can join EU.

LeBrok
19-04-11, 04:09
Aconform, give us some numbers. How much aid Israel receives a year from US and what is its GDP?

Aconform
19-04-11, 09:14
@LeBrok

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

Around 110 billions in direct aid sins Israel was founded. To this you need to add indirect aid such as free weapons.

There you can get an overview of the aid. But the aid in the last decade has changed after heavy investment in arms industry from Israel and U.S. So that America buys weapons and technology from Israel a kind of indirect foren aid.

Also Israel is allowed to keep its military aid in accounts and use interests from this aid to pay of interests on loans.

The economy of Israel is in general is very artificial in its makeup.

Right now aid and GDP is at 3 billion to 200 billion.

The problem is without the direct and indirect aid Israeli budget has such a big deficit that it can’t live up to the EU standard.

In reality I really don’t believe that Israel is interested in being a part of the EU.

LeBrok
19-04-11, 16:53
wow, so today's US help to Israel is 3 billion a year, compare to 200 Israel’s GDP, that's 1.5%. You were painting a picture like Israel would stop to exist without US money.
You don't need to go to exaggeration to prove your point that you don't want Israel in EU.

Aconform
19-04-11, 19:32
wow, so today's US help to Israel is 3 billion a year, compare to 200 Israel’s GDP, that's 1.5%. You were painting a picture like Israel would stop to exist without US money.
You don't need to go to exaggeration to prove your point that you don't want Israel in EU.

Its not if I want them to join or not… they just don’t live up to EU economic stability Standards. And the fact that the country is no were near Europe.

Also as I said the indirect help Israel gets is much more substantial. A big part of the 3 billion goes for military aid.

barbarian
20-04-11, 08:16
israel=US. does EU want to give a vote to US?

LeBrok
20-04-11, 17:02
Yes, US is our close friend with similar culture, goals, values plus governance and economic systems. If US or Canada were in Europe they would fit in like a glove. In spirit US is much closer to EU countries than Russia.
Othere than that there is no need for US to enter EU.

Antigone
20-04-11, 17:18
Nah, I don't think it would work having the US in the EU at all. The US would want to be the top dog, which would irritate the Brits, Germans and French no end and cause too many squabbles. Like it or not, Russia is a major energy supplier to the EU and it is in everyone's interest that they get along.

Anton, Bear's den
20-04-11, 22:09
Yes, US is our close friend with similar culture, goals, values plus governance and economic systems. If US or Canada were in Europe they would fit in like a glove. In spirit US is much closer to EU countries than Russia.
Othere than that there is no need for US to enter EU.

You know LeBrok, Russia was on the map of Europe hundred of years before as USA & Canada were founded by colonists :laughing:
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The basis of Russia build on christian Byzantine religion & culture. Russia is mainly populated by Slavs, the closest countries by ethnicity are Ukraine, Belorussia, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia. If you delete Russia then please delete and these countries too from your concept of "Europe/EU" LeBrok, because we always will keep strong contact with other Slavic countries, no matter what.
There is also everyone can see your approach to the europeans & EU, clearly expressed the interest in saving of American control & diktat over Europe, not in growing of European self-sufficiency or integration at all.

Anton, Bear's den
20-04-11, 22:34
As for Israel, hope Israelis & Palestinians eventually will find common language . Their bloody more than 40 years conflict is useless.
Best wishes :drunk:

barbarian
20-04-11, 23:08
Yes, US is our close friend with similar culture, goals, values plus governance and economic systems. If US or Canada were in Europe they would fit in like a glove. In spirit US is much closer to EU countries than Russia.
Othere than that there is no need for US to enter EU.

why do you think europeans founded EU?

LeBrok
21-04-11, 06:58
why do you think europeans founded EU?

Well, it must be another conspiracy theory of yours.:petrified: Feel free to humor us. :grin:

...and I woke up the bear. :rolleyes2:
Anton, I said in spirit of ideas, way of life, poetical and economic systems, didn't I. Obviously I didn't had location in mind. Don't try to prove Russia's worthiness to join UE to hard, it looks like your pride was hurt more than the issue asked for. I believe in you and your young generation to finely bring Russia to democracy, freedoms, free market, etc. It will take time and effort, but keep on it, in 10-20 years you should be ready.

And I don't care if US and Canada join EU. It was hypothetical and doesn't carry much real life merit. Nie pierezivay. ;)

Anton, Bear's den
21-04-11, 08:10
Well, it must be another conspiracy theory of yours.:petrified: Feel free to humor us. :grin:

...and I woke up the bear. :rolleyes2:
Anton, I said in spirit of ideas, way of life, poetical and economic systems, didn't I. Obviously I didn't had location in mind. Don't try to prove Russia's worthiness to join UE to hard, it looks like your pride was hurt more than the issue asked for. I believe in you and your young generation to finely bring Russia to democracy, freedoms, free market, etc. It will take time and effort, but keep on it, in 10-20 years you should be ready.

And I don't care if US and Canada join EU. It was hypothetical and doesn't carry much real life merit. Nie pierezivay. ;)

Yes, maple leaf awakened the bear and he is angry :angry:.
I just a little bit amazed, Canadians here absolutely openly promote U.S. government interests which can be formulated in the simple principle "keep Russians out of Europe, Americans inside and Germans in a tight rein (under total control)". And no need to change theme on abstract topics :laughing:

Reinaert
21-04-11, 08:28
Yes, maple leaf awakened the bear and he is angry :angry:.
I just a little bit amazed, Canadians here absolutely openly promote U.S. government interests which can be formulated in the simple principle "keep Russians out of Europe, Americans inside and Germans in a tight reign (under total control)". And no need to change theme on abstract topics :laughing:

I agree.
EU must stand up against the US manipulating our policy.

They are doing that today still..
Sarkozy of France is a Mossad and CIA agent.

Israel and the USA behave like enemies of Europe.
At least, they are constantly busy with efforts to destabilize Europe.
And yes, Russia is more European then the USA and Israel. :grin:

We want the USA out, The British under a tight reign, and the Russians in. :grin:

barbarian
21-04-11, 12:48
Well, it must be another conspiracy theory of yours.:petrified: Feel free to humor us. :grin:


i am not humoring anybody. but your reply smells like you are trying to joke about me.

anyway... i will declare my opinion for the posters who takes into account (if there is anyone).

i believe the EU (i forget the former name) is a project and founded by the developed european countries. the founders were already rich and developed, but, indivisually, small w.r.t US and USSR. So, their aim was to get the synergic effect of grouping in the beginning. with the help of succesfull portugal and spain experiments, and, with the collapse of USSR, they wanted to go after not only for economical benefits but the power also to compete with the US in controlling the different parts of the world. in this second stage they forgive some of their prosperity for the newcomers to control europe as a beginning. but there were some weak points in this project, like euro, nationalism of each country etc. etc..... anyway, it is a long story and may be discussed in another topic.

As a conclusion, the main idea: EU was, allready, a necessity for europeans against US and it would be absurd if US would join the union.

P.S. please dont answer lebrok, i had enough dissappointment about you.

Elias2
21-04-11, 16:11
I just a little bit amazed, Canadians here absolutely openly promote U.S. government interests which can be formulated in the simple principle "keep Russians out of Europe, Americans inside and Germans in a tight rein (under total control)".

Well I don't speak for LeBorke but I think Russia has more of a spot in the EU than Turkey does. And as for US interests, there is the good, the bad, and the ugly. You can look at current events in all three perspectives but if you see only the bad or teh ugly, it doesn't hurt to discuss the good.

Reinaert
21-04-11, 18:51
Hey, tell me what good is coming from the USA...!!!


Let's start... A MAG-LITE torch. :good_job:

Anton, Bear's den
21-04-11, 22:35
Well I don't speak for LeBorke but I think Russia has more of a spot in the EU than Turkey does. And as for US interests, there is the good, the bad, and the ugly. You can look at current events in all three perspectives but if you see only the bad or teh ugly, it doesn't hurt to discuss the good.
My mistake that I used too common word "Canadians", you are all different of course.
I met people which hate USA and which idealise them, disagree with both. Personally came to the conclusion that Americans are nice people in the majority, but surplus force turns any country into world dictator and that does not bode well.
America for last 15 years lost reputation in Russia because of bombing of Serbia (panslavists hate USA for it), supported of Georgia by weapons, machinery (Humvees), instructors, money, satellite imagery, spreading lies about Russia in media, etc... that don't looks friendly.
Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lptVAbw5oos&feature=channel_video_title) is nice example, Fox News simply muzzle refugees of war in live broadcast just because they talk truth, it does not fit into the concept of "bad agressive Russia" which Fox News was obliged to spread among own population.

I also think that America is not interested (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5xgtwu9yw) in European integration, that simply not profitable for them. It interested to rule by separated and mired in controversy Europe, saving of military bases on the European soil which they still have from Cold War.

Anton, Bear's den
22-04-11, 23:25
I agree.
EU must stand up against the US manipulating our policy.

They are doing that today still..
Sarkozy of France is a Mossad and CIA agent.

Israel and the USA behave like enemies of Europe.
At least, they are constantly busy with efforts to destabilize Europe.
And yes, Russia is more European then the USA and Israel. :grin:

We want the USA out, The British under a tight reign, and the Russians in. :grin:

I subscribe comrade :grin:

But you as man of left-wing socialist views should know that in RF communists are all fake. The leader of communist party have a Mercedes of 600th model and luxurious house :laughing: ("thanks" to communist party members and their party dues). Proletariat in indignation :confused2:.

Mzungu mchagga
23-04-11, 12:28
If it was for Reinaert, all nation states and borders should be abolished. Instead, smaller local communities should organize themselves, produce food and trade with other communities on an ecological and economical sustainable level. All tools of production belong to everyone and there is no hierarchy between the community members. There is no army or police either, but some sort of self-organized civil-defence.

I've met people like Reinaert in abundance in various places. But one thing I've never understood is what kind of secret service is needed to preserve this sort of social contitution.

Reinaert
23-04-11, 15:54
Haha.. Communalism is a rather old concept. It worked in Europe, at least in the Duchy of Brabant.
It's a way of life that is the middle between communism and capitalism.

At least it brought great prosperity to Brabant, and in return that set greedy eyes on our Duchy.
Now, in Europe, this concept can be done again.
Because now we should have a common defense force, that defends Europe, and doesn't join the adventures of the USA and her satellite states. :laughing:

BTW.. It's somewhat the same concept as the Israelian Kibbutz..
The good side of Israel..

Reinaert
23-04-11, 16:02
I subscribe comrade :grin:

But you as man of left-wing socialist views should know that in RF communists are all fake. The leader of communist party have a Mercedes of 600th model and luxurious house :laughing: ("thanks" to communist party members and their party dues). Proletariat in indignation :confused2:.


What do you want then? European fake or Anglo-American fake?
Let's have our own..

Anyway, a Mercedes is cheaper than a Daimler or a Bentley.
On the other hand.. Who wants an American car?

LeBrok
23-04-11, 18:10
Anyway, a Mercedes is cheaper than a Daimler... :startled:
Daimler like this one?
http://www.daimler.com/
Laineart, you always look less funny with your mouth shut.

In a light of your communal longings and character, remind us again why do you dream about rich women?
Everybody should live in communes but you should be the king, right mister bullshit?
:laughing:
Laineart's communal motto:

...and if you don't like it, you shut up...:angry:

Anton, Bear's den
23-04-11, 20:31
What do you want then? European fake or Anglo-American fake?
Let's have our own..

If you asking about left wing or right wing then I kinda in the middle, believe that capitalist and the socialist ideas completing each other. But without extreme.


Anyway, a Mercedes is cheaper than a Daimler or a Bentley.
On the other hand.. Who wants an American car?

:laughing::laughing::laughing: Actually not only communists corrupted; many politicians in RF are "poor" on the paper, but their wives have a lot of real estate :laughing:

LeBrok
24-04-11, 07:48
i am not humoring anybody. but your reply smells like you are trying to joke about me.

anyway... i will declare my opinion for the posters who takes into account (if there is anyone).

i believe the EU (i forget the former name) is a project and founded by the developed european countries. the founders were already rich and developed, but, indivisually, small w.r.t US and USSR. So, their aim was to get the synergic effect of grouping in the beginning. with the help of succesfull portugal and spain experiments, and, with the collapse of USSR, they wanted to go after not only for economical benefits but the power also to compete with the US in controlling the different parts of the world. in this second stage they forgive some of their prosperity for the newcomers to control europe as a beginning. but there were some weak points in this project, like euro, nationalism of each country etc. etc..... anyway, it is a long story and may be discussed in another topic.

As a conclusion, the main idea: EU was, allready, a necessity for europeans against US and it would be absurd if US would join the union.

P.S. please dont answer lebrok, i had enough dissappointment about you.

I like you barbarian, and I honestly think you're a great guy and good human being.
I just can't resist pocking holes in conspiracy theory balloons.

Rastko Pocesta
28-04-11, 15:22
Ending a war with Palestine is not enough. Israel has to pay and apologize for its crimes - it has to join the International Criminal Tribunal and send all its generals accused of war crimes on trial in The Hague. Then, Knesset is obliged to adopt a resolution condemning and apologizing for the crimes, a monument to the victims shall be built in Jerusalem and a version of "vergangenheitsbewältigung" has to take place. Of course, Israel must recognise the independent Palestine and have diplomatic relations with it. Also, government shall form Commission for Truth and Reconciliation.

If this all happens, but since Israel is a far right ethnocratic dictatorship it never will, I would accept Israel as member of the European Union.

Paul from England
02-07-11, 16:47
Only on the same day Palestine joins and that they respect each other. As far as the EU is concerned both sides should know they will not get full respect from the EU until they reach a mutual agreement

seemann
01-08-11, 16:27
Yes, maple leaf awakened the bear and he is angry :angry:.
I just a little bit amazed, Canadians here absolutely openly promote U.S. government interests which can be formulated in the simple principle "keep Russians out of Europe, Americans inside and Germans in a tight rein (under total control)". And no need to change theme on abstract topics :laughing:

You're so wrong- not all Canadians like US- in fact- results of the survey done a few years ago has shown that most of the Canadians don't like US way of "cowboy democracy" at all... They just act as world bullies, making up all the excuses to grab whatever they need from the rest of the world (first- it was Soviet block, then "war against the terrorism)...

Reinaert
01-08-11, 16:31
Well, I understand that. Some American citizens portray themselves as Canadians.
And spam the internet with right wing US shit.

Hmm.. seemann could be one of them, reading his other postings.

Gavroche
01-08-11, 17:05
Would you accept Israel as a member of the EU?
Today? No...

Tomorrow? Maybe...
...if US stop to help and to approve them...
...if they are in peace with Palestine and less arrogant with Arabic countries...
...if we accept Turkey in the EU...

"I have a dream" he said...

Reinaert
01-08-11, 17:38
I think Turkey is moving further and further away from Europe every day.
And Israel shouldn't become a EU member ever!
They are not European.
And I think also, that England isn't European, but a US state.

Kick England out of the EU, give Northern Ireland back to the Irish,
and let Wales and Scotland also become members of the EU.

barbarian
02-08-11, 14:22
I think Turkey is moving further and further away from Europe every day.


agree.

i feel like "major tom" in Space Oddity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhSYbRiYwTY

Bruno
20-08-11, 11:11
No, simply because they're not Europeans.

Marianne
25-09-11, 22:48
No, for the same reason Turkey shouldn't join. They are not Europeans. They shouldn't participate in european sports events either, but I guess it's too late for that...

Cimmerianbloke
27-09-11, 04:04
Everybody lined up to get into the club, but now that the cards tower is crumbling and about to fall (funny that a crisis that started in the US will shatter the EU...), some countries will be relieved they couldn't join in time. As for Turkey, the events in northern Africa will make her a role model for wannabe democrats that will not fall into the islamic integrism at the first opportunity. Israel in the EU? Who can swear the EU will still be around tomorrow?

Bodin
03-10-11, 21:11
I believe Israel should get in EU so it would be under bether control

Riccardo
03-10-11, 23:51
I think that nobody seriously wants Israel as EU Member for many reason. Expecially because Europe is living a difficult moment and to discuss about Israel in the EU would only make things more difficult. I think both EU and Israel have their different problems to think and to solve.

Brett142
25-10-11, 07:27
Yes but not now. The next evolution of mankind will see groups of countries all over the world uniting, just like the EU today. I think it's inevitable that the EU will expand into areas of the old Roman Empire. I.e. all countries that border the Mediterranean Sea. However I think that such countries need to come a LONG way before they can be accepted into us. The start has already begun with the Arab spring and those people crying out and fighting for long-awaited democracy! Then give it about 40-50 years for them to sort themselves out, get a little freer and richer, then they will be a perfect fit for the EU.

Franco
08-11-11, 22:41
I can't see why not, given that Turkey will be the next euro-member. If the EU accepts Turkey, then Israel is also a suitable candidate as they are more European (culturally speaking) than Turkey.

feanor
19-12-11, 00:33
first of all Turkey is a secular republic. what about israel? they are not suitable for EU. Their purposes are so different. they are so radical and cruel against arabs. nobody cannot compare turkey and israel. Israel is an unnatural country. Still they are not legal, their behaviours are not legal. EU cannot accept Israel.

LeBrok
19-12-11, 01:09
It sounds like you are a muslim.
Should Kurds have their own country from part of Turkey, same as Palestinians from part of Israel?

Brett142
17-03-12, 18:06
I don't think the 'Israel is not geographically part of Europe' argument is valid. I see the E.U. one day expanding beyond the traditional 'European' borders. I mean look at turkey, 97% of it is in Asia.

I personally wouldn't mind Israel one day being part of the EU, but it has a hell of a lot of shit to sort out before it does, and personally I don't see it sorting them out ANY time soon.

Michael Folkesson
19-03-12, 14:13
I agree that a question of Israels part of the European civilization is complicated considering the history of the Ashkenazi, and I think that one can rightly argue that it both is and isn't. But I don't think that is the discussion. Neither do I consider the issue of EU OCTs and OMRs an argument of side-stepping the membership criteria. French Guiana is until other is reported a part of France. I think that Cape Verde could only have been in the EU as an autonomous part of Portugal, and as such it's future is West African. Australia and New Zealand would make great members. That is not in their future, and I don't think it is in Israel's either.

In Brussels there are federalists, confederalists, maximalists, minimalists, localists, regionalists, anarkists, conservatists, socialists, nationalists, imperialists who agree and disagree in varying issues. I am sure that there is a decent amount of people representing every possible shape and form of a future European Union, including that of a global super power. But this is not what the European Idea is about, it's not the purpose and the vision of the Civilization state, and I think it will be hard to find broad consent to that in Europe on any level.

Thus, I think that the likelihood to form a future consensus in changing the content of enlargement policy - from that of the Copenhagen criteria - to include non-European democracies is slim. In addition to that, I believe we are beginning to discern the final shape of the EU concerning enlargement. I do not believe the EU will include anymore countries from around the Black Sea, including Belarus and Israel.

And I don't think that we should close our eyes to the development of the world around and pretend that the EU is alone. What we have been doing in Europe for half a century is echoing around the world on every continent and civilization, and our failures and successes building the European Confederacy is followed and setting precedent.

We can't and we won't continuously include every next fringe country that would like to be in the EU. Where does Europe end? I think we will have a decent picture of that in 2020.

Beyond that I don't see Israel any more eligible than Algeria - which can call on strong arguments as well - to join the EU, and I do not believe it is in it's best interest. I think that any mutual benefits for the EU and Israel can be found and met in bilateral agreements of trade and cooperation. There is no reason to include Israel in our political institutions and I certainly question the grounds on such a position. How would it benefit Israels geopolitical positions and relations within the region with at European Union membership? Would it not further set it apart and alienate it from it's neighbors? We can and we will support Israels continued existence even outside the EU.

The European Idea and the civilization state is easily translated into other parts of the world. I believe that Israels future lies in a Middle-Eastern regional cooperation, with mutual acceptance and friendship with it's neighbors, and assurances that threats, war and violence is multilaterally difficult to resort to. This would be possible with regional interdependence and integration. This can only start to become a reality when Palestine is declared a sovereign country, and the democratization of the Maghreb and the Mashriq will pave the way for such a reality.

In the mean time, I think we must support the safety of Israel as well as criticize it when it abuses the rights of it's neighbors. I believe that a friend supports, and that a good friend sometimes says no. I believe this includes membership into the European Union.

Riccardo
02-04-12, 15:47
I'd rather see Israel as U.S.A. member, than E.U. member. =)

Barrister
02-06-12, 07:06
If Israel were granted member status, they'd better change the name because by definition it won't be a European Union anymore since Israel is not in Europe.

I think it's important to remember that in many ways, Muslims today are not unlike the Jews of old Europe. Semitic culture, living in ghettos, regarding assimilation as unfavourable and disloyal to their ancestors, devoutly obedient to the laws of Abraham (exactly like Muslims, remember that Muhammad is merely the final prophet of Islam not the ONLY prophet). I think it took a long time before any real assimilation occurred and the jews actually changed their religious culture because of it, emphasising the "academic" aspects of their religion, memorisation of Torah, debate of Talmud, etc etc. I didn't even mention anything about the dislike of out-marriage to gentiles...for another time.

The basis of Israel is not democracy, it's ethnocentrism. That being said, i have no emotional attachment to the issue, i'm just trying to be objective and insightful.

nurset
24-04-13, 12:01
No!
Terrorism is a stumbling block

Nordsee
29-04-13, 18:34
No way. I think Israel is too different from us in the EU, like Turkey. And they would be another countries who get money from Germany then. Countries I never want to see inside the EU. And what is geographically outside of Europe should not become a member of the EUROPEAN Union... my opinion. I'm not even sure if I want to see Germany in it or have the €, but that has other reasons.

Michel Gilson
21-06-13, 22:14
No. Simply because Israel is not part of Europe. A member of the EU should be part of Europe.

Gea
21-06-13, 22:32
No.

Last time I checked Israel was between ME stated,thus not in Europe.

kamani
22-06-13, 18:54
I would accept them if I had a voice in it, they're very industrious and innovative people. But I doubt it is ever going to happen since there is other countries physically in the way that are not EU; unless they also accept Turkey and Lebanon.

Cambrius (The Red)
23-06-13, 05:19
The EU needs to contract not expand. Israelis in the ME and should not be considered for EU membership.

Knovas
23-06-13, 14:01
Short answer is: No.

Hope someday Palestine becomes free, even if some of them don't think the same way regarding Catalonia.

kamani
23-06-13, 14:55
Not accepting them because they're physically in ME is not really a reason, it's like saying :"I don't like you because you're over there..", which doesn't make any sense. Is the real reason something more specific?

Coolboygcp
12-08-13, 21:38
I believe that Israel should join the EU. However, not in it's current state. Israel should only send an application for membership once it stops the illegal colonization of Palestine, tears down the walls dividing Palestine and Israel, stops persecuting the Palestinians, and give The Nation of Palestine it's full, lawful, and true independence. They also need to give the Arabs, and Muslims in Israel the full rights that they deserve.

After this occurs, they should be able to join, and I think they would be a good member of it; once they reform.

However, whether this is to occur is unlikely, but one can dream.

Mmuller
02-09-13, 15:25
Short answer: No. Is Israel the European country?

Riccardo
21-09-13, 01:51
No, it would be easier for Israel to become the 51th USA state. I'm joking of course, but not too much.

mani
12-11-13, 21:20
Yes, if we like to have a bigger Roman Empire than the last time.

Better not. Only geographic Europe should be in the UE. Not bigger.

The UE already have enough problems with the current countries.

intorg
19-11-13, 11:38
Why not? Together with Turkey, Israel can also be accepted to the EU. Today Israel has a developped industry, especially technological investments. Many of these are being used in Turkey not only in military but also in agriculture.


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Coolboygcp
07-02-14, 05:04
No, simply because it is not in Europe. If we started accepting countries where people can claim European descent, why not accept all American countries, South Africa, Australia and NZ ? That just wouldn't be a European Union anymore. I am not saying a greater union won't happen in the (not so near) future, but that's another debate.

Exactly, why not? I am an American of European descent. My grandmother came from Ireland, and my grandfather from Greece. Though I have American nationality, I feel European. I share European values. I identify with the culture, and I have more in common with Europeans than with other people.

It would still be "a European Union", as if you have European decent you are "European".

My point is that why not consider the Anglophone countries of the world for EU membership. Why not consider Hispanophone countries like Argentina? This countries would help the EU expand, but would also complement the EU; due to their shared culture.

The precedent has already been set with Cyprus. Though in Asia, it is European culturally. Countries such as Canada are European culturally. Look at New Zealand, their government is similar to Scandanavian countries, they speak a European language (English), and share a head of state with a Europeam country (The UK). Same with countries such as Australia, and Canada (though their governments are much more similar to the British government than Scandanavian governments).

And regarding Israel. I believe that once they obey international law, give the Palestinians back their rightful land and their rights, and reform their own country, that; they should then consider EU membership. And if they did that, I would support their membership.

As to what another poster said regarding Turkey and Lebanon; Turkey is partially in Europe, and genetically; Turks are Europeans. I think that it is likely that Turkey will join the EU.

Lebanon has no way in hell. Maybe in 50 years or so. But I highly doubt it.

John Doe
20-07-14, 16:55
I believe that Israel should join the EU. However, not in it's current state. Israel should only send an application for membership once it stops the illegal colonization of Palestine, tears down the walls dividing Palestine and Israel, stops persecuting the Palestinians, and give The Nation of Palestine it's full, lawful, and true independence. They also need to give the Arabs, and Muslims in Israel the full rights that they deserve.

After this occurs, they should be able to join, and I think they would be a good member of it; once they reform.

However, whether this is to occur is unlikely, but one can dream.

"Israel should only send an application for membership once it stops the illegal colonization of Palestine"

Fair enough!

"tears down the walls dividing Palestine and Israel,"

Last time they did that they got suicide bombers blowing themselves up in buses in Tel Aviv.


"stops persecuting the Palestinians"

Persecuting how?

"and give The Nation of Palestine it's full, lawful, and true independence."

Fair enough! And it's willing to, as long as Palestine recognizes Israel as a Jewish state, which it time and time again refused to do so.



"They also need to give the Arabs, and Muslims in Israel the full rights that they deserve."

How can you give someone something they ALREADY HAVE? Israeli Arabs have the right to vote, they have representatives in the Israeli Knesset, they have laws defending themselves from discrimination. IN FACT, Moshe Katzav, the former Israeli president who was sentenced to jail for rape, was judged by an ARAB judge.

"However, whether this is to occur is unlikely, but one can dream."

As soon as the Palestinian authority be willing to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, very quickly, however, I doubt THAT will ever happen.

It should be noted that Israel is the only country in Asia that recognizes gay rights.

John Doe
20-07-14, 17:02
No!
Terrorism is a stumbling block

And firing rockets targeting civilians, and blowing yourself up in buses aiming to kill civilians isn't terrorism?