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edao
16-05-11, 22:21
http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/strauss-kahn.jpg
Dominique Strauss-Kahn in custody on charges of sexual assault (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13417712)

I have just watched the news coverage of this story on the BBC.
Two things come to mind.

Firstly they are covering the story as if he is guilty, what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

"Jonathan Pinet, a political science student, tweeted the news of Dominique Strauss-Kahn’s arrest before it had even happened, according to Le Post, a French newspaper."
source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8516275/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-Was-it-a-stitch-up.html)

Secondly why on earth is (for the moment) an innocent man in front of photographers and cameras in a middle of a court proceeding, what a violation of human rights? Having the media in the court room making a circus of something as serious as a rape case, that seems very backward to me. I could hardly hear what was being said for the clicking noise the cameras where making.

I don't know if this Kahn is a sex maniac or if he's being 'stiched up', but you have to admit if somone wanted to destory him politicaly and humiliate him......job done!:thinking:

ps. All the jokes about the IMF not just raping countries have been done so you'll have to be a bit more original!

Mzungu mchagga
16-05-11, 22:36
My very first thought when I read the breaking-news headline was:
Oh no, not another conspiracy! I just got over the Osama bin Laden news, and now that!

spongetaro
16-05-11, 22:40
My very first thought when I read the breaking-news headline was:
Oh no, not another conspiracy! I just got over the Osama bin Laden news, and now that!

Here is an extract of a Forbes'article:



the pre-crime account of DSK’s interview by the French publication Liberation (http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/01012337606-oui-j-aime-les-femmes-et-alors) may be the strangest given by any public figure on record. As Business Insider reports (http://www.businessinsider.com/dominique-strauss-kahn-liberation-interview-woman-raped-parking-lot-set-up-2011-5#ixzz1MWwhCKjC), DSK first mused about his “love” of women. “Yes, I love women,” he stated, “so what?” Then he rambled on incoherently about orgies. “For years we talk about giant pictures of orgies . . . But I’ve never seen anything out . . . Let’[s] show them!” DSK went on to suggest that Sarkozy (who backed his appointment as IMF Managing Director) was playing “dirty tricks” with his private life.
Then the pre-crime – DSK confabulating that a “woman (he might have raped) in a parking lot might be paid (note the passive voice) half a million to a million euros to make up the story.” As Business Insider suggests, another translation of the quote is DSK’s suggestion that he “could see himself becoming the victim of a honey trap.”

iapetoc
17-05-11, 00:56
well according the Greek news,

there is a video in the halls of the hotels since law forbids cameras inside rooms,
according that video, NY PD arrested Dominique, and according that he will be judged,
a ganetical analysis was also in progress but I don't know results, and why.

seems like Hotel management knows exactly what happened, but I haven't seen that video, so to post it.

Gavroche
17-05-11, 08:54
At first, we didn't want to believe it, for a lot of french it was a political affair...But that's not the case...

Our next president is a rapist, our best econimist is a perv...what a shame...

Maciamo
17-05-11, 10:42
Many French people think that it's a set-up. He is by far the most popular Socialist candidate to the French presidency, so the Right (Sarkozy and his party, who are on good term with the US government) has every reason to rejoice in DSK's arrest. Sarkozy ranked third in th polls, behind the Ostrich King (uh, no that would be Strauss-Khan) and Marine Le Pen. Few people believe that Le Pen could become president, so his most obvious rival is/was DSK. I personally prefer Sarkozy than any Socialist candidate. I can't stand the nonsensical economic stance of the French Left (or of Le Pen for that matter).

What I find ludicrous is that they say DSK risks over 70 years of imprisonment. Some murderers get less than 20 years, and he would got 70 years for an attempted rape (not even an actual one) ! The legal system is really f¨cked up.

Gavroche
17-05-11, 11:04
I personally prefer Sarkozy than any Socialist candidate
Really?
He is rude, impolite, megalomaniac, he has no decency...
He increased his salary of 140% during the crisis...
Etc...

You don't know him and his stupids decisions...

edao
17-05-11, 11:34
Fight for IMF top job goes global

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52786000/jpg/_52786031_605-1.jpg
article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13421068)

The media has already convicted him as a rapist, got to love impartiality!:good_job:

Gavroche
17-05-11, 11:56
Many French people think that it's a set-up
I don't understand...

Qu'est que tu veux dire par "set-up"?

spongetaro
17-05-11, 12:00
I don't understand...

Qu'est que tu veux dire par "set-up"?

un guet appens

Gavroche
17-05-11, 12:10
Many French people think that it's a set-up
Totally wrong...

Nobody think that here...

We are choked, for us, he was the promess of a new political way...we feel ashamed and sad...

Antigone
17-05-11, 12:27
It is way too early to say what exactly happened either way, this guy is being hung out to dry without a trial nor an opportunity to defend himself. Seems more like a witch-hunt.

Maciamo
17-05-11, 12:33
Really?
He is rude, impolite, megalomaniac, he has no decency...
He increased his salary of 140% during the crisis...
Etc...

You don't know him and his stupids decisions...

You shouldn't elect someone on appearances. Who cares if he is rude or megalomaniac, as long as he takes better decisions for the economy than the other candidates. Sarkozy only disappointed me in looking tougher than he acted.

I strongly reproach to the French and Belgian socialists to have created an overly generous social security system, which acts like a powerful magnet on the rascal of the Third World. Two of the most serious problems that both France and Belgium experience nowadays, and which have led to a rise in the extreme-right (The Front National in France, the NV-A and Vlaams Belang in Belgium), are :

1) excessive immigration from underdeveloped countries (mostly from Africa and the Muslim world), largely out of the control of the authorities, and causing many social tensions and conflicts.

2) to support such a generous social security, France and Belgium were forced to raise taxes to some of the highest levels in the world. This had two direct consequences :

a) Both countries have been losing plenty of opportunities of foreign investment because of excessive costs for the employers.
b) Local companies are massively relocating wherever the workforce is cheaper (China, Eastern Europe, Morocco), resulting in higher unemployment rate.

All these problems can and should be blamed on the socialists. But the solution is certainly not to lock one's borders and quit the euro, like all far-right parties suggest. This would be even worse. So the only alternative so far is the traditional right.

Mzungu mchagga
17-05-11, 12:54
Shall I be really, really honest?
I don't want Marie Le Pen to win the election. Considering that Sarkozy is not that popular in France, chances are not that low that she would win. Now that DSK is gone, I guess that a several people who would have voted for the Socialists now give their votes to Sarkozy. Which in turns is a loss situation for Le Pen.

Maciamo
17-05-11, 13:10
Totally wrong...

Nobody think that here...

We are choked, for us, he was the promess of a new political way...we feel ashamed and sad...

Do you even watch the news on French TV ? Most of the people interviewed, be it on LCI, France 24 or other channels said that they believe it was a coup monté (set-up). So you are basically saying that most French people believe he is truly guilty then ?

Maciamo
17-05-11, 13:13
Shall I be really, really honest?
I don't want Marie Le Pen to win the election. Considering that Sarkozy is not that popular in France, chances are not that low that she would win. Now that DSK is gone, I guess that a several people who would have voted for the Socialists now give their votes to Sarkozy. Which in turns is a loss situation for Le Pen.

This is exactly why DSK's arrest is a boon for Sarkozy. He could not have hoped for a better situation. Indeed, I suspect that Sarkozy, or powerful people who want Sarkozy to win (perhaps in the US), had someone pay the maid to accuse Strauss-Kahn of attempted rape. It's so similar to Julian Assange's case (also a set-up) that I would bet that US government is behind it.

spongetaro
17-05-11, 13:20
Fact that reinforce the "set-up" theory is that the arrest was announced on twitter by a member of Sarkozy's party before the NY Times revealed the affair

spongetaro
17-05-11, 13:22
In my opinion, the US government had to thanks Sarkozy for what he has done on Libya so they secured his re election

Gavroche
17-05-11, 14:47
Désolé de m'exprimer en Français, mais je suis incapable d'exprimer les idées suivantes en Anglais...


You shouldn't elect someone on appearances
Mais il a été élu sur les apparences!!!
On l'a élu sur son beau discour sécuritaire et son soit disant dynamisme!!!

1 moi après sa prise de fonction il a augmenté son salaire de 140%!!!
Il s'est affiché dans les médias "people" sans aucune pudeur!!!
Lui et son gouvernement n'ont de cesse de favoriser les riches et les puissants!!!
La première année de son mandat, il a explosé le budget des frais du gouvernement!!!
Il a supprimé la "police de proximité" (idée de gauche) pour les remettre 2 ans après!!!
Il a insulté un citoyen ("casse toi pauv' con") juste parce qu'il ne voulait pas lui serrer la main!!!
2 moi après un autre citoyen lui balance la même injure, et là Sarko l'envoie en justice!!!
Sous son gouvernement, les députés ont voté une loi leur octroyant une indemnité chomage de 3000 Euros jusqu'à la fin de leur vie!!!
Et j'en passe et des meilleurs...

C'est le pire président de la 5ème république...



Do you even watch the news on French TV ? Most of the people interviewed, be it on LCI, France 24 or other channels said that they believe it was a coup monté (set-up). So you are basically saying that most French people believe he is truly guilty then ?
Oui, cela fait 3 jours que j'observe l'affaire de très près et à part 2 ou 3 proches de DSK, personne ne parle de complot...
Tu parles avec des Français tous les jours?
Tout le monde s'en fout que ce soit un complot ou une histoire vraie, tout le monde est dégouté par nos hommes politiques...

spongetaro
17-05-11, 16:54
[QUOTE=VonRoust;371966]Tu parles avec des Français tous les jours?
Tout le monde s'en fout que ce soit un complot ou une histoire vraie, tout le monde est dégouté par nos hommes politiques...[/QUOTE

Tu sais en regardant les chaînes de télé francophone on en sait plus sur l'état de l'opinion française qu'en parlant pendant 2 jours à sa famille et ses collègues. Pas la peine de parler à des Français "tous les jours" pour sentir le climat de l'opinion sur cette affaire.


Et c'est pas la peine de répéter "tout le monde" pour faire croire que ton point de vue fait l'unanimité. Moi qu'en je vois les unes de la presse, ça parle de présomption d'innocence non respecté (photo de DSK menotté), d'humiliation (pour DSK), des primaires du parti socialiste, des théories du complot...


Il n'y a pas UN sentiment général sur cette affaire

Gavroche
17-05-11, 17:06
Et c'est pas la peine de répéter "tout le monde" pour faire croire que ton point de vue fait l'unanimité. Moi qu'en je vois les unes de la presse, ça parle de présomption d'innocence non respecté (photo de DSK menotté), d'humiliation (pour DSK), des primaires du parti socialiste, des théories du complot...Il y a une grande différence entre lire les titres, et lire les articles (aucune articles de journal soutient cette thèse)...
Il y a une très grande différence entre parler d'humilition (parce qu'on ne voit pas ça chez nous) et de théorie du complot...

Tu as raison de dire que mon opinion n'engage que moi, mais lorsque je lis les journaux (entièrement), lorque je parle avec mes collègues, mes amis ou ma famille, tout le monde fait le même constat: notre système politique et nos politiciens sont lamentables...

Et je suis désolé mais lorsque je dis que personne ne croit à la théorie du complot, tu t'indignes, mais lorsque Maciamo dit l'inverse, tu ne réagis pas?

Gavroche
17-05-11, 17:23
He changed his strategy:

dhnet.be (http://www.dhnet.be/infos/monde/article/354026/dsk-reconnaitrait-l-acte-sexuel-mais-sans-contrainte.html)

Maciamo
17-05-11, 18:07
Mais il a été élu sur les apparences!!!
On l'a élu sur son beau discour sécuritaire et son soit disant dynamisme!!!

Je voulais dire que c'est le fond qui compte plus que la forme. Il est indéniable que Sarkozy est un des politiciens les plus dynamiques qui soit, et pas juste en France. Je ne vois pas ce qu'il y a à lui reprocher à ce niveau là.



1 moi après sa prise de fonction il a augmenté son salaire de 140%!!!

Et alors ? Ca reste fort bas comparé à d'autres pays, ou aux grands chefs d'entreprises.


Il s'est affiché dans les médias "people" sans aucune pudeur!!!

Où est le problème ? Il fait ce qu'il veut de sa vie privée. Ce n'est pas pq les présidents précédents en France étaient des vieux schnocks coincés qu'il doit l'être aussi. Je suis d'ailleurs satisfait du "relooking" plus jeune qu'il a donné à la présidence.



Lui et son gouvernement n'ont de cesse de favoriser les riches et les puissants!!!

Ah bon ? Avec l'impôt sur la fortune qui a fait fuir tant de Français riches vers la Belgique et la Suisse ?


La première année de son mandat, il a explosé le budget des frais du gouvernement!!!

Pourtant la dette publique de la France est une de celles qui a progressé le moins dans les pays occidents après la crise financière. La France s'en sort bien mieux que les Etats-Unis, le Royaume-Uni, L'Espagne, et bien sûr l'Irelande, le Portugal et la Grèce.



Il a insulté un citoyen ("casse toi pauv' con") juste parce qu'il ne voulait pas lui serrer la main!!!
2 moi après un autre citoyen lui balance la même injure, et là Sarko l'envoie en justice!!!

Je n'ai pas entendu parlé de ça. Mais ça reste dans la catégorie "faits divers". Ca n'a aucune importance en ce qui concerne la gestion politique et économique du pays.


Sous son gouvernement, les députés ont voté une loi leur octroyant une indemnité chomage de 3000 Euros jusqu'à la fin de leur vie!!!

Ce n'est pas du "chômage", mais une sorte de rente ou de salaire à vie. Qu'est-ce que 3000 euro pour un député, quand une personne non qualifié (par exemple quelqu'un qui n'a pas même pas terminé l'école primaire) peut toucher 1000 euro/mois de chômage, plus ou moins à vie aussi ?

sparkey
17-05-11, 22:46
Maciamo, you're sounding quite utilitarian right now... if it turns out to be a setup that gets Sarkozy re-elected, would you consider it to have been a good thing, because it will help the French economy?

I tend to agree, by the way, that Sarkozy has been good for France, generally... at least better than the Socialists would be. That's not to say that I am a fan of Sarkozy, as I find him to have a poor record on civil liberties and I dislike his governing style. But France has such a dearth of good politicians that I don't know of anybody in the running who might make a better President of France than him. Maaaybe Villepin. To be honest, if I was to make a list of the top 100 active European politicians, I'm not sure I'd have anyone from France in it.

spongetaro
18-05-11, 00:35
. To be honest, if I was to make a list of the top 100 active European politicians, I'm not sure I'd have anyone from France in it.


I guess that if you had to make such a list, you might know at least 200 active politician in Europe. Do yu even know 200 active politician in your own country ?

sparkey
18-05-11, 01:55
I guess that if you had to make such a list, you might know at least 200 active politician in Europe. Do yu even know 200 active politician in your own country ?

It would be a research project, for sure. I pay attention to politics in both the US and Europe (and also the Middle East and sometimes East Asia), but even then it's hard to remember so many names. Some of my favorite European politicians are Estonian, for example, but I can never remember their names.

Gavroche
18-05-11, 09:32
Et alors ? Ca reste fort bas comparé à d'autres pays, ou aux grands chefs d'entreprisesUn homme politique n'est pas un chef d'entreprise, et lorsque l'on annonce à sa nation q'une crise financière arrive et qu'il vaudra se serrer la ceinture tout en dépensant de l'argent pour relancer l'économie (si si, véridique) après avoir augmenté son propre salaire, ça l'a fout très mal...


Ah bon ? Avec l'impôt sur la fortune qui a fait fuir tant de Français riches vers la Belgique et la Suisse ?Il a fait beaucoup de cadeaux aux grandes fortunes françaises de puis 4 ans, et personne n'est rentré à la maison...lorsqu'on aime son pays, on râlera peut-être sur le taux d'imposition mais on restera dans son pays, lorsqu'on est un requin, on se casse à Monaco où en Suisse...


Pourtant la dette publique de la France est une de celles qui a progressé le moins dans les pays occidents après la crise financière. La France s'en sort bien mieux que les Etats-Unis, le Royaume-Uni, L'Espagne, et bien sûr l'Irelande, le Portugal et la GrèceTu confonds "dette publique" et "frais du gouvernement", et si on s'en sort pas trop mal, c'est grace à notre système ultra sécuritaire en matière d'investissement...système que beaucoup de personnes de droites veulent alléger...


Je n'ai pas entendu parlé de ça. Mais ça reste dans la catégorie "faits divers". Ca n'a aucune importance en ce qui concerne la gestion politique et économique du pays"Fait divers"? Dignité, respect, diplomatie, ça te dit quelque chose?


Ce n'est pas du "chômage", mais une sorte de rente ou de salaire à vie. Qu'est-ce que 3000 euro pour un député, quand une personne non qualifié (par exemple quelqu'un qui n'a pas même pas terminé l'école primaire) peut toucher 1000 euro/mois de chômage, plus ou moins à vie aussi ?Ce commentaire montre bien que tu ne connais pas notre système actuel (comme sur d'autres sujets)...

spongetaro
18-05-11, 12:08
Ce commentaire montre bien que tu ne connais pas notre système actuel (comme sur d'autres sujets)...

C'est ton nouveau passe temps d'attaquer Maciamo sur tous les sujets? on est sur un forum ici, tu peux discuter sans disqualifier les autres. Et j'ajoute qu'on est pas sur un forum francophone

Gavroche
18-05-11, 12:18
C'est ton nouveau passe temps d'attaquer Maciamo sur tous les sujets? on est sur un forum ici, tu peux discuter sans disqualifier les autres. Et j'ajoute qu'on est pas sur un forum francophoneIt's forbidden to debate with him?
My opinions are differents, his point of view about France is very strange for me, and i don't have the right to reply?
I have to "Piss off" in front of his comments?

And where did i discredit him?

Maciamo
18-05-11, 16:02
Un homme politique n'est pas un chef d'entreprise, et lorsque l'on annonce à sa nation q'une crise financière arrive et qu'il vaudra se serrer la ceinture tout en dépensant de l'argent pour relancer l'économie (si si, véridique) après avoir augmenté son propre salaire, ça l'a fout très mal...

Il a augmenté son salaire avant la crise. Injecter de l'argent dans l'économie est une bonne chose pour relancer la consommation.


Il a fait beaucoup de cadeaux aux grandes fortunes françaises de puis 4 ans, et personne n'est rentré à la maison...lorsqu'on aime son pays, on râlera peut-être sur le taux d'imposition mais on restera dans son pays, lorsqu'on est un requin, on se casse à Monaco où en Suisse...

Cadeau ou pas, si les gens fortunés partent c'est qu'ils se sentent "opprimés" (tout est relatif) par le système actuel. La France est le seul pays avec un impôt sur la fortune. Et puis, vivre à Bruxelles, Genève ou Monaco, c'est presque être en France. Les gens ont le droit de s'installer ailleurs s'ils le désirent, fortunés ou pas. Je ne vois pas l'intérêt d'être ultra patriotique au point de ne jamais quitter son pays. Personnellement j'ai vécu dans 8 pays différents, et je pense que c'est une expérience intéressante et enrichissante. En outre, tous les gens fortunés résidant en France ne sont pas nécessairement français. La France, surtout Paris, la Provence et la Côte d'Azur, attire énormément de gens aisés du monde entier. Pourquoi ceux-ci devraient-ils rester en France si on les taxes abusivement par rapport à ailleurs ? S'ils quittent la France, ils ne payeront plus du tout de taxes en France, ne consommeront plus en France, et par conséquent ce sera autant le gouvernement que les commerces locaux qui en pâtiront.

L'impôt sur la fortune est une erreur stratégique phénoménale du gouvernement français. Mais comme ça profite au pays voisin, dont la Belgique, je ne m'en plains pas.


"Fait divers"? Dignité, respect, diplomatie, ça te dit quelque chose?

C'est un incident entre deux individus au sein de la société, comme il y en a des milliers tous les jours. Ca n'a aucune influence sur le reste du monde. Donc c'est un simple "fait divers".


Ce commentaire montre bien que tu ne connais pas notre système actuel (comme sur d'autres sujets)...

Je connais surement mieux la France que beaucoup de Français. J'ai voyagé dans presque toute la France, j'ai de la famille en France, et visiblement je fais moins de fautes d'orthographe en écrivant que certains.

Maciamo
18-05-11, 16:22
Maciamo, you're sounding quite utilitarian right now... if it turns out to be a setup that gets Sarkozy re-elected, would you consider it to have been a good thing, because it will help the French economy?


It would be morally wrong, but if it is the best alternative for the economy and ends up increasing the general welfare of society, then it can probably be deemed a good thing. As for being utilitarian, it is true that I have been influenced and strongly adhere to most of Jeremy Bentham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham)'s ideas. Bentham is one of my favourite philosophers, along with Bertrand Russell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrand_Russell).

Gavroche
18-05-11, 16:59
Injecter de l'argent dans l'économie est une bonne chose pour relancer la consommation
Et pourtant c'est grâce à l'épargne des Français durant la crise financière que notre économie n'a pas trop souffert. Nous sommes l'un des pays au monde où les habitants ont le plus d'argent sur leurs comptes, ce qui rassure les banques pour les prêts à grande échelle, donc taux d'intérêts peu élevés...


Je connais surement mieux la France que beaucoup de Français. J'ai voyagé dans presque toute la France, j'ai de la famille en France, et visiblement je fais moins de fautes d'orthographe en écrivant que certainsPeut-être, mais as-tu au moins pris la peine de vérifier ce que tu as écris sur les indemnités chômage?
Par expérience personnelle, et surtout celles de quelques amis, je te l'assure, c'est faux...

J'ai toujours pris plaisir à lire tes commentaires sur "l'Histoire" de mon pays, mais nous sommes en 2011, et peut-être que tes connaissances sur notre politique et notre système social ne sont plus d'actualité...

Ce qui me vexe d'autant plus c'est que tu ne me crois pas lorsque je te parle de notre mentalité (et non des médias) ou de notre vie au quotidien, mais bon, soit, tu es LE spécialiste de mon pays, je m'incline donc...

Fin du H.S.

spongetaro
18-05-11, 18:13
Ce qui me vexe d'autant plus c'est que tu ne me crois pas lorsque je te parle de notre mentalité (et non des médias) ou de notre vie au quotidien, mais bon, soit, tu es LE spécialiste de mon pays, je m'incline donc...

Fin du H.S.


Ce qu'a dit Maciamo hier a été confirmé par Le Monde aujourd'hui, une majorité de Français (57%) croit au complot.

sparkey
18-05-11, 19:06
Ce qu'a dit Maciamo hier a été confirmé par Le Monde aujourd'hui, une majorité de Français (57%) croit au complot.

Actually, unsurprising... is there a regional variation of opinion in France, which would lead VonRoust to conclude that "Nobody think that here"?

edao
18-05-11, 20:35
US media's coverage of DSK case shocks France (http://www.euronews.net/2011/05/17/us-media-s-coverage-of-dsk-case-shocks-france/)

DSK could wait 'months' for trial (http://www.euronews.net/2011/05/18/strauss-kahn-could-wait-months-for-trial/)


It seems odd to me that all you have to do is accuse somone of a crime to have them locked up in jail for 6 months or more waiting for a trial?!?:confused2:

sparkey
18-05-11, 20:40
Even more bad news for DSK: Dominique Strauss-Kahn maid lives in apartment block for HIV sufferers (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/dominique-strauss-kahn/8521881/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-maid-lives-in-apartment-block-for-HIV-sufferers.html)

He's on suicide watch.

edao
18-05-11, 22:15
Conspiracy Theory Warning!:rolleyes2:

"Less attention has gone to the fate of another project close to DSK's heart: weaning the global financial system off of the U.S. dollar. DSK had been a vocal proponent of using the IMF's de-facto currency, the Special Drawing Right, as a way to diversify countries' reserve pools away from the U.S. dollar.

...the idea of expanding the role of SDRs as one among several global currencies has slowly gained traction as more emerging economies like Brazil and China voice their support.Their backing is partly a way to chide U.S. officials for abusing the dollar's dominance through loose monetary policy (which stokes inflation in emerging markets)...

Whoever takes the helm at the IMF will have to contend with this issue sooner rather than later, since the stability of the world's financial system lays in the balance.

Of course there are naysayers who still think the dollar will remain the only viable option for decades to come, especially in light of the euro's recent plight.

As their foreign exchange reserves grow, emerging economies will be more motivated to scrap a dollar-dominated system for one that offers less risk and more payoffs to the world's new economic powerhouses.

No wonder then that the U.S. is keen to maintain its role as the world's only global reserve." source (http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2011/05/17/will-strauss-khans-fall-lead-to-the-dollars-demise/)

.....no comment :grin:

Reinaert
18-05-11, 22:40
It's a big laugh. Sarkozy is a known CIA agent. Of course the CIA wanted to frame DSK.

It's of course too easy to get the main Socialist presidential candidate of France.
Simple tricks. They did it with other older politicians!.

Don't buy that shit!

Antigone
19-05-11, 07:09
[It seems odd to me that all you have to do is accuse somone of a crime to have them locked up in jail for 6 months or more waiting for a trial?!?:confused2:

My thoughts exactly, it is a bit like the Bin Laden fiasco, the longer it goes on and the more information comes out the more confusing, ridiculous and suspicious it all seems. I have no idea why or who but it is beginning to look like a set-up.

LeBrok
19-05-11, 07:42
...becaus it couldn't be a simpler explanation, like he is an old sexual pervert, righ?

Allegations of sexual misconduct

In 2007, Tristane Banon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristane_Banon), a French journalist and writer, accused Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her in 2002, but she did not press charges.[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-31)[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-32)[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-33)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-DSK_past_telegraph-34) As of 17 May 2011, mainstream media were reporting that Banon was preparing to file a legal complaint relating to the alleged attack.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-35)
In 2008, the IMF Board appointed an independent investigator following allegations that Strauss-Kahn had had an affair with a subordinate, Piroska Nagy, who was married at the time to economist Mario Blejer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Blejer). Nagy alleged that Strauss-Kahn had used his position to coerce her into the affair.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-36) She was later made redundant and Strauss-Kahn assisted her in getting a new job.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-37) The IMF board issued the findings of the investigation; while noting that the affair was "regrettable and reflected a serious error of judgment on the part of the managing director", the board cleared Strauss-Kahn of harassment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment), favoritism or abuse of power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power), and indicated that he would remain in his post.[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-38)[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-39) Strauss-Kahn issued a public apology for the affair. Le Journal du Dimanche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Journal_du_Dimanche) dubbed him "le grand séducteur" (the Great Seducer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn

edao
19-05-11, 08:52
...becaus it couldn't be a simpler explanation, like he is an old sexual pervert, righ?

You may well be right, but at the moment we have no idea what really happened.
Although the media have already passed sentence, in the eyes of the law he is still innocent until proven other wise.

At the moment an 'innocent' man is in jail and has resigned his position in the IMF and most likely lost the possibility of becoming French PM.

If he's a sex mad rapist then he's getting what's coming to him. If he is in fact innocent then you'd have to say there is something very wrong with the American judicial system and the western media, that a mere accusation can destroy a mans life?




In 2007, Tristane Banon, a French journalist and writer, accused Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her in 2002, but she did not press charges.[32][33][34][35] As of 17 May 2011, mainstream media were reporting that Banon was preparing to file a legal complaint relating to the alleged attack.[36]

Funny that with big court cases all these stories start coming out, any yet 9 years have passed and she did nothing.




In 2008, the IMF Board appointed an independent investigator following allegations that Strauss-Kahn had had an affair with a subordinate, Piroska Nagy, who was married at the time to economist Mario Blejer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Blejer).

There has been research done that shows that as much as 1 in 5 married couples in the United States has cheated on their partner or roughly 20%. If your saying having an affair makes you a sexual deviant then you better lock up 20% of the population. The fact he had an affair is irrelevant to the charges against him.

Gavroche
19-05-11, 09:42
Ce qu'a dit Maciamo hier a été confirmé par Le Monde aujourd'hui, une majorité de Français (57%) croit au complot
Perso, quand j'ai lu ce sondage j'étais sur le cul...
En tout cas, c'est bien, tu continues de le défendre...par contre j'aimerais bien que tu aies la même énergie lorsqu'il écrit des choses fausses...


Funny that with big court cases all these stories start coming out, any yet 9 years have passed and she did nothing
A pushy...

Maciamo
19-05-11, 09:43
Et pourtant c'est grâce à l'épargne des Français durant la crise financière que notre économie n'a pas trop souffert. Nous sommes l'un des pays au monde où les habitants ont le plus d'argent sur leurs comptes, ce qui rassure les banques pour les prêts à grande échelle, donc taux d'intérêts peu élevés...

J'ai étudié l'économie, je sais quand même comment ce genre de chose fonctionne.



Peut-être, mais as-tu au moins pris la peine de vérifier ce que tu as écris sur les indemnités chômage?
Par expérience personnelle, et surtout celles de quelques amis, je te l'assure, c'est faux...


Le montant des allocations de chômage n'est pas fixe. Il y a beaucoup de facteurs qui sont pris en compte. Le chômeur est il une personne isolée ? Est-ce un chef de famille avec 5 enfants ? A-t-il déjà travaillé avant ? Quel était son dernier salaire ? Ce dernier point en particulier est déterminant. Quelqu'un qui gagnait 6000 €/mois et perd son emploi va obtenir des allocations plus élevée que quelqu'un qui ne gagnait que 1500 €/mois. Pour en revenir aux députés, ils gagnent environ 5300 €/mois, ce qui est moins de la moitier des parlementaires italiens (12000 €/mois) et moins qu'en Allemagne, en Autriche, en Belgique, aux Pays-Bas ou encore au Royaume-Uni. Donc les politiciens français sont parmi les moins bien payés d'Europe occidentale. Mais ce n'est rien comparés aux parlementaires américains, qui eux gagnent 14500 $/mois. Quand à Sarkozy, son salaire est de 21000 €/mois, pas plus qu'un commissaire européen, et 50% de moins que le président des Etats-Unis, et 75% de moins que le premier ministre britannique.

Mais comme je l'ai écrit plus haut, un des traits de caractère les plus évident du Français est qu'il est râleur (et envieux des autres). Aux Etats-Unis ou au Japon, les gens font tout pour montrer qu'ils ont de l'argent (vêtements de marque, grosses voitures, etc.). En France, les gens essayent de cacher leur richesse pour ne pas inciter la jalousie des autres. Ce sont des mentalités radicalement opposées. Les premiers admirent le succès des autres, tandis que les Français s'en offusquent, les envient et les critiquent. Personnellement je trouve la mentalité française (qui est identique en Belgique d'ailleurs) particulièrement malsaine.

Gavroche
19-05-11, 09:54
@Maciamo:
If you want...

iapetoc
19-05-11, 10:37
Conspiracy Theory Warning!:rolleyes2:

"Less attention has gone to the fate of another project close to DSK's heart: weaning the global financial system off of the U.S. dollar. DSK had been a vocal proponent of using the IMF's de-facto currency, the Special Drawing Right, as a way to diversify countries' reserve pools away from the U.S. dollar.

...the idea of expanding the role of SDRs as one among several global currencies has slowly gained traction as more emerging economies like Brazil and China voice their support.Their backing is partly a way to chide U.S. officials for abusing the dollar's dominance through loose monetary policy (which stokes inflation in emerging markets)...

Whoever takes the helm at the IMF will have to contend with this issue sooner rather than later, since the stability of the world's financial system lays in the balance.

Of course there are naysayers who still think the dollar will remain the only viable option for decades to come, especially in light of the euro's recent plight.

As their foreign exchange reserves grow, emerging economies will be more motivated to scrap a dollar-dominated system for one that offers less risk and more payoffs to the world's new economic powerhouses.

No wonder then that the U.S. is keen to maintain its role as the world's only global reserve." source (http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2011/05/17/will-strauss-khans-fall-lead-to-the-dollars-demise/)

.....no comment :grin:


you have a point by that,
the problem is that EU and USA keep strong currency,
and they don't raise chinese and Brazilian and Mexican,

simply I still don't get why,
and since IMF is International, why does not help to restore the balances,
USA has an (I could say) untrusted in economy, but strong in military and power currency,
EU has a non flexible, heavy trust currency, that helps who? surely not mediocre and smaller economies, but some companies of multinational face,

the unemployment's public help in currency balances is stronger than the salary of a heavy worker in 3rd world,

situations will go worst if you think that day by day money through Banks gather in few people,

the only thing that can help Euro is that some economies raise their currency,

I had read before time an article by a small unknown non famous university that if China raise currency values by 30% in Usa new industrialization era will start,
and if Brazil raises only 15% the balance with Euro the next day millions of south Europeans will start to gather fruits,
a 10% raise of Brazil currency will hurt only some heavy industries like car cause Eu will have some parts expensive but will help millions of EUropeans farmers especially in Mediterenean,

yet instead of making EUro more flexible, we make it harder, just to help corporations that want to gather EU money to buy and invest outside EU,

and IMF could not help to that, but mostly became a foundation that control and help secure the money before a collapse of country,


in numbers,

in Greece million of tones of kiwi, peach, and orange rot in fields and pollute the surface water with extra demanding BOD (oxygen demand)
and yet Brazilian oranges enter with forms of frozen columns to become juices!!!!!
because Euro is strong,
policies like that lead to where,???

iapetoc
19-05-11, 10:39
well according to some rumors a change of HIV transmission could be also in trial.

Antigone
19-05-11, 15:35
...becaus it couldn't be a simpler explanation, like he is an old sexual pervert, righ?

Allegations of sexual misconduct

In 2007, Tristane Banon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristane_Banon), a French journalist and writer, accused Strauss-Kahn of attempting to rape her in 2002, but she did not press charges.[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-31)[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-32)[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-33)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-DSK_past_telegraph-34) As of 17 May 2011, mainstream media were reporting that Banon was preparing to file a legal complaint relating to the alleged attack.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-35)
In 2008, the IMF Board appointed an independent investigator following allegations that Strauss-Kahn had had an affair with a subordinate, Piroska Nagy, who was married at the time to economist Mario Blejer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Blejer). Nagy alleged that Strauss-Kahn had used his position to coerce her into the affair.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-36) She was later made redundant and Strauss-Kahn assisted her in getting a new job.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-37) The IMF board issued the findings of the investigation; while noting that the affair was "regrettable and reflected a serious error of judgment on the part of the managing director", the board cleared Strauss-Kahn of harassment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment), favoritism or abuse of power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power), and indicated that he would remain in his post.[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-38)[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#cite_note-39) Strauss-Kahn issued a public apology for the affair. Le Journal du Dimanche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Journal_du_Dimanche) dubbed him "le grand séducteur" (the Great Seducer).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn

An unconvincing argument LeBrok and there is only one proven allegation here, that he had an extra-marital affair. Big deal, thousands do it everyday and it doesn't make them sexual perverts. The rest are all unproven allegations, no-one can hang a person on that and as has already been said, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the current case.

I'll be reserving my judgement until something that actually makes sense comes to light, more concrete than the gossip and rumour mongering that is currently being circulated by the media.

Mzungu mchagga
19-05-11, 16:07
Right, you just have to study someone's biography and then you can think about a method how to trap him. For example, if I had found some evidence that DSK consumed cocaine during his younger years, I would try to tempt him to purchase and consume some cocaine. Then I would try to think of an occasion to make him drive a car to a certain place just two minutes away. Then I will involve him in a car accident and one second later push a small child infront of the car. Et voilà, next day the head-line will be: "Cocaine-crazed DSK attempted to kill small child with stolen car!"

Gavroche
19-05-11, 16:35
Are you the reincarnation of Machiavel? :thinking:

Mzungu mchagga
19-05-11, 16:44
Are you the reincarnation of Machiavel? :thinking:

:laughing:
No, I just wanted to show that only by looking into one's biography is not prove enough to say he or she is a bad person. If DSK cheated on his spouse, this is no prove he is a pervert and potential rapist. Every person has done the one or other mistake in his life. And if I was a bad person, I could take this as an advantage to put him into serious trouble.

Reinaert
19-05-11, 17:59
Haha.. We Dutch already have seen these tricks. For instance former Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers.
He had a top job in the United Nations organization, and suddenly be became accused of having pinched the behind of some woman, also in New York, the UN building.
He also resigned from his job.

That's how Americans drive competitors off the racing track.
CIA all the way!

LeBrok
19-05-11, 18:00
I don't really follow this story or care much hearing about it. I just mentioned what is more probable, what is more common in life, therefore most likely will be the final verdict when everything settles down.

Compare it to Monica Lewinski and Bill Clinton affair. It concerned a president of USA, the most powerful president of most powerful country, so surly someone wanted him out, right? Was it about politics, power and CIA, or just an sexual affair?
Well, it turned out that he was just a man with unsatisfied sexual needs, simple like that.

Reinaert
19-05-11, 18:01
Are you the reincarnation of Machiavel? :thinking:

No, Machiavelli still works for the CIA, just like Osama Bin Laden.

edao
19-05-11, 21:03
Looks like it's case closed on this one....:tongue:

edao
20-05-11, 21:56
I don't know much about French politics but is it not rather convenient that Sarkozy has lost a major politcal rival who is on his way to jail and who should be his likely replacement at the IMF Christine Lagarde. :dubious:

Reinaert
20-05-11, 23:10
In my opinion, the US government had to thanks Sarkozy for what he has done on Libya so they secured his re election

Not a big surprise because Sarkozy was and still is a CIA agent.

Melusine
21-05-11, 01:54
"Conspiracy theories are the ultimage refuge of the powerless."

.. Roger Cohan, the New York Times Opinion Page, Dec, 20, 2010.

. Bin Laden is not dead and the USA is lying.

. Dominique Strauss-Kahn, is being framed by the USA

One thing about conspiracy promoters is that when their conspiracy falls to reason and or facts, they do not ever appoligize for their paranoid behavior or the lies they have spread. They move on to the "next conspiracy" , however they still chose the same "scapegoats". (my words, Melusine)

Oh, and BTW: The world will end for some quite soon starting in Asia, Europe tonight then will culminate tomorow on May 21, 20110 per religionist conspirators. IF we are still around to blog on this forum tomorrow, nevermind the conspirators of the end of the world they will not appoligize, they will move on to another date. After all the world (scrapegoats) ,except for themselves is full of sinners (not just the USA thank goodness!!)

edao
21-05-11, 09:49
One thing about conspiracy promoters is that when their conspiracy falls to reason and or facts, they do not ever appoligize for their paranoid behavior or the lies they have spread. They move on to the "next conspiracy" , however they still chose the same "scapegoats". (my words, Melusine)

Oh, and BTW: The world will end for some quite soon starting in Asia, Europe tonight then will culminate tomorow on May 21, 20110 per religionist conspirators. IF we are still around to blog on this forum tomorrow, nevermind the conspirators of the end of the world they will not appoligize, they will move on to another date. After all the world (scrapegoats) ,except for themselves is full of sinners (not just the USA thank goodness!!)

You cannot say that you know what happened in Pakistan regarding OBL. You know what you have been told. Perhaps you are the religious type and have based your life on things you have been told rather than have experienced to be true for yourself?

Secondly in US law DSK is an innocent man. FACT
He has to be proven to be a rapist in a court of law.

Considering an alternative view is healthy, it means you are thinking for yourself. You are putting down people because they choose to question, to do the math for themselves and see if it adds up.

I appreciate there are those who are perhaps too excited about the idea of counter culture and being anti-establishment, which in itself is unconstructive.

You are so wrapped up in our own world you feel you have to be apologized to because someone has a different opinion, you are literally offended by an alternative stand point.

If Obama came out tomorrow saying US forces had gone into Lapland and shot Santa in face you'd cancel Christmas.

(my words edao :laughing:)

Reinaert
21-05-11, 11:40
Just like Osama, Santa was killed years ago..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_i4DDjPc62mw/R4mDz-P8jpI/AAAAAAAAArE/UDj7dOYZG4Y/s400/KILL_SANTA_CLAUS.jpg

BTW..
What I think is odd, is that a high ranking finance guy like DSK is a socialist.
Or at least.. Is portrayed as such.

Well.. It stinks allover.

Maciamo
01-07-11, 08:07
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

iapetoc
01-07-11, 08:51
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

hmmmmmm any connection with Draghi? the new ECB president?


i wonder what they want !!!

any quess?

edao
01-07-11, 10:27
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

I find it hard to feel sorry for him as his defence admits sexual contact. If it was a honey trap then he was a bit stupid to fall for it. I'm sure he could afford high class escorts if he wanted to. I doubt a hotel maid would be so appealing that he'd risk his entire career to rape her.

Stepping away from the rape other events as you say are extremely convenient...

Reinaert
01-07-11, 11:56
Well..
Check this out.. :shock:
Not my type of women, dig it?

http://llbnxahi.posterous.com/check-out-the-maids-yelling-shame-on-you-at-d

Gavroche
01-07-11, 12:16
I'm sure he could afford high class escorts if he wanted to. I doubt a hotel maid would be so appealing that he'd risk his entire career to rape herBut this isn't the same feeling if you pay a woman...i think he love to dominate...

Antigone
01-07-11, 13:21
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

Mmm, and not just within the IMF. Wasn't Strauss-Kahn also a strong hopeful in the next French elections? I've read that Lagarde also has her sights in that direction, so the way has been cleared in more ways than one.

The oldest political trick in the book and DSK fell for it.

Canek
01-07-11, 13:46
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

embarrasing


and they call themselves "first world". this dirty things doesn't happen in latam.

sparkey
01-07-11, 17:15
It looks like the charges may be dropped after all, and Strauss-Kahn would be free as if nothing had happened. Look at the timing. Christine Lagarde was just elected new head of the IMF. I don't think it's a coincidence. DSK's enemies got what they wanted. Now he can go.

Still with the conspiracy theories? How does finding that the maid probably exaggerated her claims equate to DSK's political enemies masterminding this episode? It's not like anybody has uncovered a link between the maid and Sarkozy.

iapetoc
01-07-11, 18:59
Still with the conspiracy theories? How does finding that the maid probably exaggerated her claims equate to DSK's political enemies masterminding this episode? It's not like anybody has uncovered a link between the maid and Sarkozy.

well i did not like Strauss kahn, cause I don't like IMF,

but there is something behind,
the latest news prove a lie from the girl,
we will see, I thing the case has nothing to do with Largand, but with Draghi and Goldmans Sachs,
I believe a bank war is behind.

Mzungu mchagga
01-07-11, 20:09
Still with the conspiracy theories? How does finding that the maid probably exaggerated her claims equate to DSK's political enemies masterminding this episode? It's not like anybody has uncovered a link between the maid and Sarkozy.

Well still, the judges realized the maid's inconsistency just in the moment right after Lagarde was elected...?
It's not that I necessarily assume the judges to cheat, but premise one doesn't exclude premise two.

Reinaert
01-07-11, 22:36
embarrasing


and they call themselves "first world". this dirty things doesn't happen in latam.

Canek... Really.. What you post is beyond everything plausible.
If you intend to be funny.. It's not funny at all.

My country was a new home for a lot of people from Chile, after the fascist assault of Pinochet over there.
So stop your hate postings. You act just the same like the Wilders idiot you hate so much!

Cambrius (The Red)
01-07-11, 22:43
Canek... Really.. What you post is beyond everything plausible.
If you intend to be funny.. It's not funny at all.

My country was a new home for a lot of people from Chile, after the fascist assault of Pinochet over there.
So stop your hate postings. You act just the same like the Wilders idiot you hate so much!

He's a hopeless t-r-o-l-l. Brainless!

iapetoc
02-07-11, 11:13
I Believe that DSK can take an advantage with that case,

if he is finished quick with the judges and proves innocent, then surely he can go for president,

people love conspiracies, and persons, who passed a lot with out worth it,
I think DSK can gain more reputation as non worth to suffer,
he's only hope to finish fast with the trial and found innocent.

Canek
02-07-11, 14:54
i'm not hating... i'm saying that europeans need to stop with their arrogant behaviour and superiority complex over latam.

these things don't happen in latam... our politicians are more decent that the ones in USA or france... you can see it in this case.

Gavroche
03-07-11, 16:03
i'm not hating... i'm saying that europeans need to stop with their arrogant behaviour and superiority complex over latam.

these things don't happen in latam... our politicians are more decent that the ones in USA or france... you can see it in this case
Oh yes!!!

Mexico is a paradise, Chavez a saint, and nobody is poor in Brazil or Argentina...

edao
03-07-11, 17:10
these things don't happen in latam... our politicians are more decent that the ones in USA or france... you can see it in this case.

Brazilian clown elected to congress takes literacy test

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01731/Silva_1731131c.jpg

"A television clown elected to Brazil's congress has submitted to a literacy test to try to disprove critics who claimed he could neither read nor write and therefore should be disqualified from office." article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8127822/Brazilian-clown-elected-to-congress-takes-literacy-test.html)

Tell us how your politicains are dealing with the drug warlords?
Have you spent any time in a Favela?
http://archive.supreme.ph/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/aom_favela.jpg

I can see what you mean about paradise....

South America wished it had half the quality of politican leadership seen in Europe.

Canek
04-07-11, 16:13
typical arrogant europeans, always generalizing... what's wrong with chavez?? he has minimize poverty in venezuela... he is helping his people but of course that is against the will of the repugnant european and north-american corporations...

european lidership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxb0JHqzlA

europe:
http://www.gitanos.org/documentos/madrid/paginas/sub_imagenes/historias_hortaleza_todas_archivos/image034.jpg

it's ridiculous how europeans feel superior... the rest of the world laugh at your arrogance.

jacehayjohn
15-09-11, 10:17
That happens and It's so political. They will raise an issue like "that man is a rapist!" and then sue him, arrest him, but what if he's innocent? We should be careful to what we are believing.

bertrand
15-09-11, 23:42
VonRoust,
I am not surprised by what you write given that you cant speak three words of English. This is the problem with the French (socialists).
they really have no clue about the situation in other countries. Of course they never travel otherwise than as tourists.
They dont understand anything about the economy, about profits and losses and I'm not even talking about the mere concept of a balance sheet.
If they traveled a bit elsewhere, they would understand how good the French have it. They would also understand that it cannot last.
Finally they would understand that what makes a good president is his capacity to reform, to cut off the gangrened leg, not to make ridiculous promises about more civil servants and greater budgets for the ministry of culture.

You, like most socialists, speak about the rich the way the nazis spoke about the jews.
Do you remember what happened in 1981? You're lucky this time the euro will protect you from a devalutation but in the end, you and the other reds will pay the tab, big time, and the so called rich will watch you starve and ripping each other apart from London or New York.
I let you follow Cochonet or Petit-Pot-a-tabac we'll see where they lead us...

Gavroche
16-09-11, 12:28
I am not surprised by what you write given that you cant speak three words of EnglishI know and i'm sorry...


This is the problem with the French (socialists)Clichés, my sisters and my mothers speaks tree languages (LEA), and they are socialists...


they really have no clue about the situation in other countries. Of course they never travel otherwise than as touristsOf course, DSK is the perfect example...(ironie je précise)


You, like most socialists, speak about the rich the way the nazis spoke about the jewsNo comment...

Désolé, je suis obligé de te parler en Français pour ce qui suit:
Ca me fait pleurer de voir que depuis la crise de 2008 les grands patrons ont augmenté leurs salaires, que les banques n'ont jamais fait autant de bénéfices, que les entreprises du CAC40 sont moins taxés que les petites PME (6% de moins si je ne dis pas de bétises), qu'on nous demande de gros efforts alors que la TVA n'est même pas indexée sur les salaires, qu'après avoir fait passer de force la réforme des retraites les députés ont votés une loi leur octroyant une retraite complète à partir de 6 mois passés sur les bancs du parlement, qu'un riche peut investir dans son patrimoine pour réduire ses impôts (un comble), etc...

Liberté/égalité/fraternité...sauf pour ceux qui en ont les moyens financiers!

bertrand
16-09-11, 17:36
Clichés, my sisters and my mothers speaks tree languages (LEA), and they are socialists...

Then they probably did not use their language skills to learn about other cultures because i dont know a single country in the developed world that has the type of socialists that France has. And please dont answer the Scandinavians.



Of course, DSK is the perfect example...(ironie je précise)

If you believe Strauss-Kahn is a socialist you are more naive than those who think he didn't rape that woman in NY. How could he be a socialist, when his wife could buy half of France? Or Else it is the climax of Hypocrisy.




Ca me fait pleurer de voir que depuis la crise de 2008 les grands patrons ont augmenté leurs salaires, que les banques n'ont jamais fait autant de bénéfices, que les entreprises du CAC40 sont moins taxés que les petites PME (6% de moins si je ne dis pas de bétises),

VonRoust, you dont know what you're talking about. I know because I work for a bank.
A bank, my dear friend is the blood of the economy, it is the water that keeps businesses alive, and the businesses are what pays for all the nice perks you socialists constantly feed off. Without a bank, no business and without business no social programs.
Right now, the French banks are trying to survive an unprecedented wave of doubts in the market fueled by decades of demagogy. If the French banks fall, I ASSURE you that France will collapse. When Aubry says let's have the banks pay for the Frenchmen's retirement, it is like saying, "let's feed the golden goose hen to the dog because he barks and I cant sleep."
Banks NEED to make money because it is their job to keep the economy alive and the competition is fierce. If your own banks cant do it, foreign banks will do the job. In the Middle Age Christians were not allowed to lend money with a fee. So the Jews did it and became very rich.
You just cant kill your banks.... ask Stalin how he did it without banks....



qu'on nous demande de gros efforts

Give me a F*****g break!!! Every time I go to France i see nothing but people on vacation or retired. Some friends recently retired gave me their program for 2011: "We went first on vacation near St-Tropez, in the spring. Then we visited our son in Paris and London. In the summer we visited the Chateau de la Loire and we went to Berlin. We can give you the hotel list. Very nice! In the fall we returned to our house near St-Tropez. We will stay there for a month. After that we might return to Paris for a while and then Strasbourg"
By the way, they are not "rich"; the man was a clerk for a building company and the woman was a teacher (both socialists of course). Very hard life.
Do you know how much vacation i have in New York in my "bad" bank? 4 weeks and I am very lucky. If I am lucky enough I can perhaps hope to retire when I turn 70.
Most Americans retire only to get another job.... so PLEASE!!! DONT TELL ME ABOUT THE "GROS EFFORTS" OF THE FRENCH!!!



qu'un riche peut investir dans son patrimoine pour réduire ses impôts (un comble), etc...

What is "un comble" is that people like Anne Sainclair does not pay taxes on her paintings, even though they are worth billions.
True socialists like Fabius made sure this wouldn't happen...



Liberté/égalité/fraternité...sauf pour ceux qui en ont les moyens financiers!

Again you haven't lived in another country so you dont know what you are talking about. There is more freedom, equlity and social fraternity in France than in any other country I have lived in or visited.
By constantly pointing the finger at the Rich they will leave for good (or at least their money will leave) and invest elsewhere.
If Liliane Bettencourt moves tomorrow L'oreal to Switzerland, you can't do anything about it. But she should do it to show you!
Let the swiss welcome the jobs created by someone rich, that you, apparently despise....
The only reason she doesn't do it is because she is a true French patriot and she knows it is important for France.
She also know that she would save a ton of money by simply moving away....

France has lost sanity.... the country is completely out of touch with reality and this is why it will collapse. After that, hopefully it can be rebuilt anew...

Gavroche
19-09-11, 08:34
Tout d'abord tu n'as aucun commentaires à faire sur ma famille, d'accord?!!
Tu ne les connais pas donc tu ne juges pas...


France has lost sanity.... the country is completely out of touch with reality and this is why it will collapseWhat is "reality" for you?
Capitalism is the "reality"?
Trading system is the "reality"?

Et je suppose que comme tout tes potes boursiers ou banquiers tu es contre la taxation des transactions boursières?
Mais quelle équité!!!
Quelle justice!!!
Tu sembles me définire comme "socialiste", mais je suis juste dégoûté par la corruption qui règne dans notre société, et cela à tout les niveaux. Et toi, ta réponse à ce fléau c'est: "les Français ne connaissent rien à la réalité qui nous entoure", "on est de grosse feignasse", alors pourquoi on est l'un des pays avec le plus haut taux au monde en matière de production de richesse par habitants?
Ca c'est la réalité pour moi, produire quelque chose et non spéculer sur de possibles faillites d'Etats...
On le voit bien actuellement avec la pression boursière qu'est entrain de faire les USA, à chaque fois qu'un de leur politique ouvre sa gueule on perd 4% en Bourse, tu trouves ça normal?
J'espère que t'as suivi la réunion des ministres Européens de ce week-end, ils n'ont pas cédé à la pression des marchés et ça j'en suis très fier...
Et tu craches sur nos droits sociaux et notre mentalité de méchant Français communistes mais c'est grâce à ce genre de mentalité que l'on a fait avancer les droits sociaux dans notre pays...
Restes à New York, tu as trouvé ta place...

Reinaert
19-09-11, 18:23
@Bertrand.. Did you pick up some virus in New York?

Europeans that move to the USA are a type that always seem to end up more conservative than the common man in the USA themselves. Or, should I say, a normal European won't even think of emigrating to the USA.

Canada maybe. It has a good economy. But the USA is a financial disaster.
And it is the American government from Nixon on, and the banks, and the military industrial complex that made the USA a terrible mess. Clinton was on the right track, so conservatives used the sex trick. Because there was no other way they could get him.

Cimmerianbloke
06-10-11, 04:08
There's actually a lot of sense in all Bertrand said. I have lived in France for a year, I've met lots of people living one way or another off the state and still complaining about how little they get. In France, people expect the state to provide, and, yes, socialists despise the rich and big companies, who provide work and create wealth that is redistributed to the folks spitting on them.
I also had the opportunity to spend 7 years in Ireland when the country was booming, and saw the difference in work ethics and culture. All I can say about my own experience is that in the anglo-saxon working culture, you're responsible of your own career (I doubled my salary in the first six months in Ireland), while in France (as in Belgium, and in Germany where I work at the moment), you're stuck to your workplace because of locks impeding you to get a payrise based on productivity. I cannot stop thinking that the most competitive countries are where the unions are weak. Is it an accident?
As for the USA being a mess, Reinaert, let's wait and see where this crisis will end, the biggest losers might not be the ones everybody thinks... The US will still have the privilege to keep printing dollars regardless of the situation, and they do not pay people to stay home doing nothing and pay their healthcare bills.

edao
26-11-11, 19:02
Was DSK set up in New York sex case?
euronews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j1ZR8ftkjw&feature=feedu)

Franco
26-11-11, 19:07
typical arrogant europeans, always generalizing... what's wrong with chavez?? he has minimize poverty in venezuela... he is helping his people but of course that is against the will of the repugnant european and north-american corporations...

european lidership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxb0JHqzlA

europe:
http://www.gitanos.org/documentos/madrid/paginas/sub_imagenes/historias_hortaleza_todas_archivos/image034.jpg

it's ridiculous how europeans feel superior... the rest of the world laugh at your arrogance.

That photo seems like a ghetto where South American immigrants live. Europe should not allow them to exist.

Yetos
28-11-11, 18:29
well according New York review of books
and a journalist named Edward Epstein
Seems like the DSK case was set up

I really don't know what evidence are these but a possible scenario about a trap on DSK 'favorites' always existed,