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edao
07-06-11, 13:29
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'Paris Syndrome' strikes Japanese

"That is what some polite Japanese tourists suffer when they discover that Parisians can be rude or the city does not meet their expectations.

The experience can apparently be too stressful for some and they suffer a psychiatric breakdown." source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6197921.stm)

Gavroche
07-06-11, 14:16
:shocked:...Sorry...but...:laughing:

This is not the "Paris syndrome", but the "Voyager syndrome"...

http://cogitz.com/2009/09/05/voyager-syndrome-travel-madness/

spongetaro
07-06-11, 18:41
This does not only apply to Japanese tourists but to tourist in general or provincial French people. I don't know why but when in Paris you feel the people and the atmosphere opressing. Living a few years there can make you rude like other native Parisians.

Maciamo
07-06-11, 19:17
I have heard of the Paris syndrome in the Japanese community. It could apply to tourists in general, but you have to understand that the Japanese put French culture, and Paris in particular on a pedestal. The Japanese value very highly fine cuisine and luxury clothes/accessories. In fact, about half of the global sales of luxury brands like Louis Vuitton, Chanel or Christian Dior are made in Japan. The Japanese buy more of these brands than all Europeans and Americans combined. Tokyo has more Michelin-starred restaurants than Paris, but this is because countless Japanese chefs go to France and Italy (among others) to study French and Italian cuisine, and often reach levels of excellence in these cuisines, in addition to their own and Chinese cuisine.

In the mind of most Japanese Paris is an idealised city that represent everything that they love. I don't know any other country where the image of France and Paris is as positive as in Japan. It is only natural that when Japanese tourists or expats, who may never have travelled before, arrive in Paris, the city is nothing like they imagined, and the people are a nightmare. This is why I think it is appropriate to talk of a "Paris syndrome" for Japanese tourists. It does not apply with the same intensity for any other city and any other tourists. But of course Parisians are also world champions in arrogance, bad manners and unhelpfulness. French people know it so well that the reputation of Parisians was used for a series of famous commercials for Le Parisien newspaper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4_detOeq1o&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utYyB96u0uw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oAPW936zag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Y9nT1jwuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbR2KkW4dE8&NR=1

spongetaro
07-06-11, 20:31
It does not apply with the same intensity for any other city and any other tourists. But of course Parisians are also world champions in arrogance, bad manners and unhelpfulness.


That's what I was saying, there is a real problem with Parisians whose "Paris syndrom" with Japanese people is only one aspect.
Parisian people are disliked in most part of France and many stereotypes toward French people being rude come from Paris which is (most of time) the only French city they visit..

Reinaert
07-06-11, 21:17
Well, it's a common fact in the world that the people who live in any big city are more rude than the people who live in the countryside.
Another fact is, people from South and East Asia are accustomed to friendly behavior. And good manners.
In big cities in the western world, people are straight forward. And that can be felt as very unpleasant.

I told in some other thread on this forum, that Europe is much more friendly in the smaller cities, and on the countryside.

My suggestion: If you visit France, you can go everywhere but leave the 3 major cities aside..
Paris, Lyon and Marseilles.

spongetaro
07-06-11, 23:08
Well, it's a common fact in the world that the people who live in any big city are more rude than the people who live in the countryside.

Well I don't know how inhabitants of other European metropoles like London or Amsterdam are perceived but there is no real sympathy for the Parisian in France.
In return, people living in Lille and Marseilles are considered friendly.

Mzungu mchagga
07-06-11, 23:12
Sorry, I can't resist to tell an anecdote which happened about two weeks ago:

A friend of mine got a visit from his girlfriend who used to live in the countryside of Bavaria. All together we went into a bar to have some drinks. As we ordered the bill, the waiter -we've never met him before- came to our table and asked my friend:
"Is this your girlfriend?"
He answered "Yes!"
The waiter's reply was: "Well she's not half as ugly as you always told me! Congrats, man!"
I had difficulties not to laugh! :grin:

His girlfriend nearly cried and later on told all her girlfriends at home how rude and unmannered Berlin is :D

Maciamo
08-06-11, 09:25
Well I don't know how inhabitants of other European metropoles like London or Amsterdam are perceived but there is no real sympathy for the Parisian in France.
In return, people living in Lille and Marseilles are considered friendly.

I have lived (sometimes just for a few months) in London, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Brussels, Tokyo... and been countless times to Paris. I found people in London and Berlin to be the most pleasant, those in Tokyo (or anywhere in Japan) to be the most polite (though often distant and hypocritical). I have been to cities were people were not very nice, like in Madrid where in 5 days people have tried to cheat me (the northern European tourist) every day, once three times in the same day, something that didn't happen in other Spanish cities. Nevertheless there is absolutely no comparison to the rudeness, incivility and disagreeableness of Parisians (or at least within Europe because I found people in Cairo to be even worse, lying, cheating, harassing tourists, and children throwing stones at Westerners in some neighbourhoods).

Gavroche
08-06-11, 10:50
Parisians are also world champions in arrogance, bad manners and unhelpfulness This is the "Tourist syndrome"...:innocent:

Each year, 15 million tourists visit Paris, i think it's not difficult to understand that Parisians can be rude, no?

Lassitude + stress + busy city = irritable cityzen...

I don't approve their attitude, but i can understand it...

Maciamo
08-06-11, 15:20
This is the "Tourist syndrome"...:innocent:

Each year, 15 million tourists visit Paris, i think it's not difficult to understand that Parisians can be rude, no?

Lassitude + stress + busy city = irritable cityzen...

I don't approve their attitude, but i can understand it...

I wasn't a tourist. I was there (most of the time) for business reasons, and I am a native French speakers, undistinguishable from a Parisian (contrarily to many Belgians, and most southern French).

If tourists are to blame, how comes Romans, Florentines or Londoners are nothing like Parisians ?

Gavroche
08-06-11, 16:26
Nobody blame the tourists...:indifferent:


how comes Romans, Florentines or Londoners are nothing like Parisians?I don't know...

Maybe the mix of:
-French culture (professionnal complainers)
-Parisian elitist (arrogant, rude...)
-Tourists (city most visited in the world)
-The stress of a big city

Maciamo
08-06-11, 17:54
Nobody blame the tourists...:indifferent:

I don't know...

Maybe the mix of:
-French culture (professionnal complainers)
-Parisian elitist (arrogant, rude...)
-Tourists (city most visited in the world)
-The stress of a big city

I opt for the first two, because many touristic small towns have more tourist per capita than Paris and people are very nice. London, New York, Tokyo are all bigger and harder working than Paris, but people are much nicer.

Gavroche
08-06-11, 18:33
London, New York, Tokyo are all bigger and harder working than Paris, but people are much nicerA lot of people say the opposite...

I know we can be rude etc, but i have visited Paris, Amsterdam, Breda, Brussel and Malaga, and personnaly, i don't find french more rude than dutch, belgian or spanish...

This is my point of view, and i know you find us very rude, lazy, arrogant, impolite and our language is ridiculous, so, i don't know if you are "objectif" when you talk about us...

Maciamo
08-06-11, 23:10
A lot of people say the opposite...

I know we can be rude etc, but i have visited Paris, Amsterdam, Breda, Brussel and Malaga, and personnaly, i don't find french more rude than dutch, belgian or spanish...

This is my point of view, and i know you find us very rude, lazy, arrogant, impolite and our language is ridiculous, so, i don't know if you are "objectif" when you talk about us...

You have visited these places, but have you lived there and do you speak the local language ? I speak (or used to be able to speak) all the languages in the places where I lived. This gives a totally different understanding of the local people, culture and mindset.

Gavroche
09-06-11, 10:18
You have visited these places, but have you lived there and do you speak the local language ? I speak (or used to be able to speak) all the languages in the places where I lived. This gives a totally different understanding of the local people, culture and mindsetNo i didn't live there, but i try to speak with local people when i travel...
Of course, i don't talk about "philosophy" or "the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow", but, i think i ask the same question than any tourist in a foreign country: "Where are the prostitutes?", "Can i rent your wife?", "Where are the coffe shops?", "How much money for a beer?", etc...

edao
09-06-11, 10:34
"Where are the prostitutes?", "Can i rent your wife?":laughing:

Obviously a seasoned traveler.

tomammi
07-03-16, 08:06
edoa! I am going to agree with you I feel that he is a seasoned traveler. :D
I want to know about that Had you visited ever in your life Paris?

SaucissonSecCy
03-08-16, 16:41
It's paradise compared to London IMO.

Alcuin
15-04-18, 23:29
No i didn't live there, but i try to speak with local people when i travel...
Of course, i don't talk about "philosophy" or "the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow", but, i think i ask the same question than any tourist in a foreign country: "Where are the prostitutes?", "Can i rent your wife?", "Where are the coffe shops?", "How much money for a beer?", etc...

I guffawed heartily at this post.

JoeRobertson
20-04-18, 10:22
I have visited Paris for 3 times at last 10 months... I love the City, and want to return here again and again.

Coriolan
22-04-18, 08:41
It's paradise compared to London IMO.All tastes are in nature. I don't really like Paris, but love London.

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Alcuin
22-04-18, 23:09
All tastes are in nature. I don't really like Paris, but love London

London has lots of great museums and galleries and historical sites of interest, but the people there seem much more distant from that heritage than the Parisians and their equivalents

Coriolan
22-04-18, 23:17
London has lots of great museums and galleries and historical sites of interest, but the people there seem much more distant from that heritage than the Parisians and their equivalentsI think that's just an impression. How can you truly assess how 10 million people feel about their heritage or museums? Anyway why that matter to you personally? I feel that people in London are more friendly, more polite and more open to foreigners than Parisians. London appears better organised too.

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Alcuin
30-04-18, 01:54
I think that's just an impression. How can you truly assess how 10 million people feel about their heritage or museums? Anyway why that matter to you personally? I feel that people in London are more friendly, more polite and more open to foreigners than Parisians. London appears better organised too

I base it on my interaction with the local people, specifically their knowledge of the local area and its history. People in Paris, Munich and Seville seem far more interested in, and knowledgeable about, their city and its history than Londoners do.

RodneyMoore
19-06-19, 21:05
I am very sorry because of the fire at Notre Dame de Paris. Very cult place for Paris.

25-06-19, 04:51
I vote New York City and its inhabitants as the rudest, at least compared with the rest of the US. I've never had problems with Parisians, but perhaps my expectations were low.

As Maciamo says, the Japanese are very polite, but they're very remote. I lived in Japan for several years and was never able to get close to any of them, though they were always helpful and smiling.