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edao
16-06-11, 10:44
http://newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/god_creates_adam.jpg

It would be interesting to see how many people believe in a god but perhaps don't follow a formal religion.

Gavroche
16-06-11, 11:57
Of course i bellieve in me...:indifferent:...absurd question...:innocent:

iapetoc
17-06-11, 01:31
in 1 god or many?

zanipolo
17-06-11, 11:31
in 1 god or many?

all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then

TanyG
17-06-11, 11:36
all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then

Absolutelt agree!

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Gavroche
17-06-11, 11:59
all religions believe in the one god.........Polytheistic religions?
Buddhism, Shinto, Chinese religion...

iapetoc
17-06-11, 13:45
all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then


well some off us never stop. ;-)

in fact Europe in many areas is Turning Pagan while in south polytheistic,

how yes no 2
17-06-11, 18:51
preached and institutionalized religions are typically turning into some black and white painted ideological forms that tend to lose original essence....

religion raises from our need to have solid basis for our arguments and viewpoints...
question is why is acknowledging lack of knowledge and insight about essence of world not sufficient? why do we need to believe this or that?

Reinaert
17-06-11, 19:53
Religions caused more pain than any human can bear.

If there is a God, he should be punished for what he has done.

Humans are naturally friendly towards each other, in history religions were created to set people against each other.

There is no God, we are travelling on a lonely planet called Earth.

The entire Cosmos makes no sense at all... We are ALONE!
GOD has left us!

WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES!
SO STOP ALL WARS!

Start to be friends!

iapetoc
17-06-11, 23:16
we are travelling on a lonely planet called Earth.

The entire Cosmos makes no sense at all... We are ALONE!
GOD has left us!

WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES!
SO STOP ALL WARS!

Start to be friends!

hmmm you should listen Orphic Hymns

it says it better

' from a dark cave were 'white' water drops hot, Moirai, put me (exit me) to a sky lagoon'

Carlitos
18-06-11, 15:28
I do believe in a God, I have reason to believe, and he handed me renouncing the world and their things.

Reinaert
18-06-11, 16:02
Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If there is one thing I believe in it's probably Gaia. Mother Earth. And Father Sun.

I read the bogus about global warming.
Now that the sun is dropping activity, temperatures on earth will sink..
Well well.. We have seen that before!

Don't believe anything others tell you.
Investigate everything, and keep what is good.

The nicest way to describe God is from John Lennon:

"God is a concept, by which we measure our pain!"

Carlitos
18-06-11, 22:18
Today many have a religion lies of climate change, "virus" of AIDS. However I do not think God is pain, rather man is pain.

Antigone
19-06-11, 05:58
It is interesting that the christian/jewish/islamic god has the faults of a human, being jealous and vengeful, seems to me that a god who has the power to create a universe and all in it wouldn't have any handicaps himself. Man created god in his own image.

But he is a useful scapegoat, most human excesses can be justified in his name and all the ills in the world can be laid at his door. Man doesn't even need to take responsibility for his own actions.

LeBrok
19-06-11, 20:14
Nicely summed up Antigone.

Maciamo
19-06-11, 20:26
Polytheistic religions?
Buddhism, Shinto, Chinese religion...

Technically Buddhism has no god (except in some Mahayana sects which imported Hindu deities) and Shinto only has spirits of nature (+ deified Japanese emperors, but that's really just a status, it doesn't confer them any power usually associated with gods).

By Chinese religion, I suppose that you mean Taoism.

Gavroche
20-06-11, 10:51
Sorry Maciamo, my English is too poor, i have to write in French...:ashamed2:


Technically Buddhism has no god (except in some Mahayana sects which imported Hindu deities)

Pourtant, les origines du Bouddhisme font références à des Dieux et à des Démons...
Je suis d'accord avec le fait qu'ils ne font pas parti de la pratique de cette religion, mais ils sont bien présents.
Et c'est pour éviter tout fanatisme ou toutes formes de sectarisme que Bouddha déclara qu'il ne fallait vénérer aucuns Dieux d'aucune sorte, mais suivre ses préceptes afin de favoriser l'élévation de leurs âmes (ce qui est loin d'être bête au vue des dérives du Christianisme)...


Shinto only has spirits of nature (+ deified Japanese emperors, but that's really just a status, it doesn't confer them any power usually associated with gods).

Mais ces "Esprits de la nature" ne sont-ils pas vénérés?
On leur offre des offrandes et reçoivent leurs petite prières, non?
Ils peuvent très bien être assimilé à des dieux, comme le montre beaucoup de film Japonais ("Princess Mononoke", "Le voyage de Shihiro" ou "Pompoko") dans lesquels ils sont nommés "Dieux", "Esprits de la nature" et même "Dieux de la nature" par moment...

Maciamo
20-06-11, 21:29
Pourtant, les origines du Bouddhisme font références à des Dieux et à des Démons...
Je suis d'accord avec le fait qu'ils ne font pas parti de la pratique de cette religion, mais ils sont bien présents.
Et c'est pour éviter tout fanatisme ou toutes formes de sectarisme que Bouddha déclara qu'il ne fallait vénérer aucuns Dieux d'aucune sorte, mais suivre ses préceptes afin de favoriser l'élévation de leurs âmes (ce qui est loin d'être bête au vue des dérives du Christianisme)...

You said it yourself, Buddha asked not to worship any god. He was himself born a Hindu, so obviously the origins of Buddhism are linked to Hinduism, just like Christianity originated from Judaism. But true Buddhism is an atheistic philosophy.



Mais ces "Esprits de la nature" ne sont-ils pas vénérés?
On leur offre des offrandes et reçoivent leurs petite prières, non?
Ils peuvent très bien être assimilé à des dieux, comme le montre beaucoup de film Japonais ("Princess Mononoke", "Le voyage de Shihiro" ou "Pompoko") dans lesquels ils sont nommés "Dieux", "Esprits de la nature" et même "Dieux de la nature" par moment...

It's not because something or someone is worshipped that they are gods. You can worship a musician, an actor, an athlete, a scientist, a philosopher, but that just makes them idols, not gods. It's the same with Shintoism. Trees and waterfalls are worshipped, but aren't gods. I know Japanese culture and language well enough to assert that it is a mistake (but a common one) to always translate the Japanese word kami (神) by god. Sometimes it means 'god' (for Japanese Christians, but then they say kami-sama and not just kami), but when talking about Shintoism or Buddhism it only means "object of worship" or "idol".

Anton, Bear's den
21-06-11, 21:02
I myself is a total freethinker, don't care about god and never was in church. But have nothing against moderately religious people.
Communists in Russia tried to get rid from religion, but all their efforts have failed despite on the harsh methods. Probably because the church meets the needs of a particular segment of the population, so these people will always need in the church.
Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.

edao
21-06-11, 21:39
Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.

I agree, I was brought up Catholic but even as a very young child I never believed the stories in the bible anymore than I believed in magic. The moral aspect was probably the only remaining influence on my life from religion which has only been positive.

I have to say I am suprised the vote is so far 100% no!

Gavroche
22-06-11, 10:03
Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institutionI think it was necessary...

Now we have free education, and we live in democratical countries which teach us our history...

When people was illiterates, religions showed us the difference between "good" and "evil", but we are in 2011, and our generation have learned the worst moments of humanity, it increase our morality and help us to understand our past mistakes...

iapetoc
22-06-11, 11:23
Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.

Every religion has a point of truth, and a Humanistic Idea of rules and Peace.
But when clerics enter religion, then we have a corporation, the 'CHURCH' unlimited corporation,
in dark ages that corporation served the rich and the strong, (at least the heads of the church)
so any new idea or any new model that could change the rulers class should be punished,
the greek word was ΕΛΕΩ ΘΕΟΥ (god's mercy), that means that even some kings were obliged to church who chrismate them.
even kings should obey a cleric,
so the religious people created a corporation that with fear of God ruled upon them,
from religion to church there is a huge gasp,
the one god for all humans in christian religion,
became god is with our side, and wars broke in name of god with out participation of god,
just think a war in europe. one cleric blessing the ones and another the others and both say God is with us,

barbarian
22-06-11, 12:00
http://newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/god_creates_adam.jpg


wonderfull picture.

and homo erectus looks nice in it.

Maciamo
22-06-11, 13:38
Psychoanalysts would say that the need for a god is a need for a father figure representing authority, justice and knowledge. Children have their parents to look up to. Adults find solace in inventing an omniscient, omnipresent god in their minds, someone that knows every little detail of their existence, so that their life wasn't spent on Earth in vain an forgotten forever after they die. The need for god is also a need for immortality, the hope for a life after death, and an answer to the question "why are we alive?"

Believing in god is an easy way to dismiss one's doubts and questions about our existence. But that doesn't make it more real. In polytheist or monotheist religion gods are depicted as human-like, if not physically (I am referring to Islam here), at least in character. Why would a god have feelings, emotions, thoughts or anything else that is typical of an material animal brain ? Believing in a god with human/animal characteristics is flagrantly denying that we humans are merely biochemical beings, the result of billions of years of evolution, the fruit of our DNA.

One cannot believe in god and in evolution/genetics at the same time. They are completely incompatible concepts. If one doesn't "believe" in genetics, they must reject the whole of science altogether. Genetics is a combination of biology and chemistry, and chemistry is a natural extension of physics, itself an application of mathematics to the way the universe functions. Believing in god is tantamount to spitting in the face of science and mathematics.

Maciamo
22-06-11, 13:42
Every religion has a point of truth, and a Humanistic Idea of rules and Peace.


Nothing prevents anyone from taking all the elements of truth and wisdom they find in various religions, and throw away the rest, god(s) included.

iapetoc
22-06-11, 16:26
Nothing prevents anyone from taking all the elements of truth and wisdom they find in various religions, and throw away the rest, god(s) included.

Gods have many faces, face of father, face of a hero, face of a wise, face of honest,
Gods also have something to tell us, a wise word, a wise action, a wise choice,
we create Gods demands just to be connected with us and remember them and their stories,

later a cast was created, who lived by that,
sometimes they become so strong so to rule upon humans, instead of serving humans,
many times that cast change even change the words of Gods just to earn,
many times humans were killed cause say the truth against a cleric lie,
the problem of religion is not the gods, but the ones who serve the gods,

the science with or without god is science,
no matter how many gods you change, no matter religion 1+1=2 always, (plz keep out with mathematical tricks)
religions have to do with human soul and psychology, not what is DNA, not what is black hole,
it is not the religion for it is an extract of a certain age, or for simple mind people,
IT IS THE DOGMA OF THE CLERICS not the dogma of religion
the burn of books, and scientists are diabolic, was made by clerics who lose customers, and not by gods,
the slain of Greek philosophers, the witch hunt, the trials etc were made by humans, not by gods,


THE DOGMA IS THE LIMIT THAT CLERICS PUT THEIR SHEEP JUST TO CONTROL THEM.
IT IS NOT THE RELIGION BUT THE HUMANS WHO WANT TO CONTROL HUMANS,
RELIGIONS COULD HELP US FREE, DOGMAS AND CLERIC HAVE TARGET TO ENSLAVE US,

example in christianity the the god who create human from water and mud,
or Biology and chemistry
is not THE problem,
that was a stupidity of some dogmatic clerics and christian who only read bible and they finished their search for knowledge,

there are many answers, that religious could give
Biology and chemistry follows the laws of god, Moses wrote it simple, cause either he need tones of papper, or the humanity was not ready for a reveal of biology, or wasn't usefull for religion,
but Dogmatic humans, blind people who show their customers, the faithful not to obey them started a war,
the amplifies of sheep drove cleric to act different that their gods ask,
not the gods who burn books, the humans, (in fact the ones who are considered clean, best, and faithful, and have the peace of gods!!!!!)

the rejection of gods could help us, but then we must find other to serve our needs and demands,
then a simple story for simple people, that could help them, becomes books of psychology, social science, etc
if Fleming lived in ancient Greece surely his statues will decorate many hospitals and he will be in road to mt Olymp to become god

so imagine a god like Fleming or Pasteur and his words to heard in churches,
how good in public hygiene and pharmaceuticals could be,

just imagine instead of hearing stories of david to listen a doctor once per month or 2 in a church to talk about public hygiene, how helpful the religion could be, and Luis Pasteur earn a seat in Olymp or on the way to Olymp,


Ancients have many gods but no saint,
today we have 1 god but thousands of saints

in fact if we could gather the pieces of truth, and follow them, we could be better humans,
but then comes the cleric and put you in dogmas and limits you so to obey him,

so the throw away you say at least me is a must,

how yes no 2
25-06-11, 14:37
Every religion has a point of truth, and a Humanistic Idea of rules and Peace.
But when clerics enter religion, then we have a corporation, the 'CHURCH' unlimited corporation
in dark ages that corporation served the rich and the strong, (at least the heads of the church)
so any new idea or any new model that could change the rulers class should be punished,
exactly

that is why I separate believing in God from believing in ideology spread by some particular institutionalized religion...

Mycernius
26-06-11, 17:15
Well, looking at the poll we are a bunch of heathens. Good for us :)

John Doe
24-10-14, 06:53
http://newcreationperson.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/god_creates_adam.jpg

It would be interesting to see how many people believe in a god but perhaps don't follow a formal religion.

No, I don't believe in god(s).

Vedun
25-10-14, 19:03
Yes. If there exists an Evolution in the Universe, that means that we include the genetic memory of our ancestors, including animals and simple life forms("god"; Source)... We are a product of many faces before us; countless living cycles (incarnations); these cycles weren't always equal as are not equal the Era of Brahma to the Era of Human race or Human itself. Their characters survived in our nature (DNA). It means that god or gods are a consequence of living&pre-living(geological, chemical) cycles(appearances) in the entire Universe, which goes to the first Source (created Brahma, who was created by Vishnu); Brahma means "Universe" or Jivaloka (Živa loka; "living place, place of life; living paradise (teaming with life)... This is where the "Zodiac" comes from; Zoo; Živ; "living", place of "animals"...
I have had a dream about the Multiverse once as a child...
This is the Universe; Jivaloka from "above"...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4f0gpa0sUkY/VApiO8rA82I/AAAAAAAACKA/0uQJmSJVnk4/s1600/Laniakea%2B.jpg

http://haysmerhawaii.blogspot.com/2014/09/laniakea-super-cluster.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140903-galaxy-supercluster-map-laniakea-astronomy-science-ngspace/

How much important are you to this Complete being? Imagine a cell in your own body. This cell is your entire universe according to your neutrino, which is part of the "planetary system" of the Atom in your cell... the cellular structures are galaxies... Beyond them is another cell and cells are building tissues and tissues are building organs and organs are building organ systems and organ systems are making the highest structure in your Local Universe... This is the "point" of "Gods" in our Local Universe (Solar system, Galaxy (Milky way)... There exist higher worlds; and these structures are building higher structure which is also "alive" and on some other lever of existence(intellect). Do you really think that some God (highest structure of this entire visible Universe (cell) really cares about some religious fundamentalist who is constantly reading the Bible, Quran or Torah? All those books are a human invention, just like the time (perception of time and space; biologically).

The most closest to this perception of time and space were Vedas... Imagine those people who were calculating the Vedic micro and macro time of Brama (Universe)... Who were they? Why did they need such small units of time? Do you really think they were some "farmers from the Iron age, descendants of "Shem, Ham, Noah, Abraham" From where did they know that 1 krati krati or krati is equal to 34,000th of second or Paramanu (="para; man"; this is the concept Ajiva ("not alive"; note that whole Universe is "Jiva" ("alive") ; ajiva is the smallest particle of the Akasha (space), Pudgala(matter), Adharma("not holding"; Living things or jiva would continuously move... this includes the sub particles; which plays an important part in our life and stages of death)...

311x10^12 years of HuMan (= Vedic Manu (=Slavic Človek or ČeloVek = "forhead + Era (yuga = vek = Vijek = Vyuka in transliteration; "Era"; because Slavic god Svetovid = Vedic Shiva (the story about Mangalaloka (Mars) is identical to the story about Cosmological Slovenian stories about Svetovid) is entire time of Brahma (=Universe)...



Largest measure of time: Kalpa
4.32 billion years


Smallest measure of time: Paramanu
60,750th of a second


Other measure of time: Krati
34,000th of second


Truti
300th of a second


Nimesa
16/75th of a second


Vipal.
2/5th of a second


Ksan
1 second


Pal
24 seconds


Minute
60 seconds


Ghadi
24 minutes


Hora
Hour (60 minutes)


Divasa
Day (24 hours)


Saptaha
7 days (week)


Masa
four weeks (month)


Varsa
twelve Months (Year)


Satabda
One hundred Years (Century)


Sahasrabda
One thousand Years (Millennium)


Deva yuga
12,000 years


Chaturyuga
Sata+Treta+ Dwapara+Kaliyuga


Chaturyuga/Mahayuga
4,322,000 years


71 Chat›uryuga
Manvantara


14 Manvantara
Creation, Sristi


Sristi
One day of Brahma = 1,000 Chaturyuga


Pralaya
One night of Brahma = 1,000 Chaturyuga

Sile
25-10-14, 21:03
There can only be one God for every religion that ever existed, past and present. ( including pagan religions )
Anybody changing religions does not believe in God, but clearly wants to be a member of some group.

If there is more than one God , then we need to accept the older religions and discard the modern ones.

Religion should be a personnel thing and not discussed with anybody, not even within the family.

question - what happened to all the souls of people who died before the modern religions of christian, islam and judaeism arose?

LeBrok
26-10-14, 01:19
There can only be one God for every religion that ever existed, past and present. ( including pagan religions )
Anybody changing religions does not believe in God, but clearly wants to be a member of some group.

If there is more than one God , then we need to accept the older religions and discard the modern ones.

Religion should be a personnel thing and not discussed with anybody, not even within the family.

question - what happened to all the souls of people who died before the modern religions of christian, islam and judaeism arose?
You described one of logical bases on which my atheism stands. Most religions believe in different god(s), therefore who is right? If there is god and god cared that people believed in him (the only god) he would find the way to inspire people, to show them the way to find him, or would just show up in person and teach everyone the right religion. This silence of god, creates hundreds of religions and sects, causes countless acts of killing in name of "my" god and religious wars in the name of "true" god. This is not a historical anomaly, as these religion based killings continue for few thousand of years of known history. How knows how long before that, with no particular god or religion being dominant for long time period.
Just this puts a lot of doubt in existence of one god, the true religion, and certainty points to nonexistence of loving-caring god.

Other proof of nonexistence of god is current state of religious beliefs on Earth. Most peaceful, prosperous are the countries with freedom of religion, tolerance with substantial proportions of nonbelievers. Where poorer, violence ridden, oppressive countries contains very religious communities, often with one dominant religion. If god exists, it would mean that he himself prefers to bless, love, and care for populations who don't particularly prays and believes in him, and punishes and condemns very religious people.
Of course it doesn't make the slightest sense, therefore either god doesn't give a squat about us, or he doesn't exist.

All history of religions is not helping to believe either, from tribal spirits, to tribal gods, to main gods or god of states, then to universal god for all people during empires, points to a god or gods evolving together with human civilizational development, and not to a true and unchanging god there should be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yzpaIrTFMc