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Canek
25-03-11, 23:13
you can also find a little bit of amerindian genetic influence in scandinavia.

Maciamo
26-03-11, 10:52
you can also find a little bit of amerindian genetic influence in scandinavia.

No, you can find Siberian DNA in both Scandinavia and the Americas. Let's not confuse everything.

Canek
26-03-11, 16:35
i've heared that we share a little of amerindian DNA also.

Cambrius (The Red)
26-03-11, 16:38
Can we have some credible references to support what you are saying?

Cambrius (The Red)
26-03-11, 16:42
Actually, there is a form of breast cancer that is much more common in two or three cities in Northern Portugal than anywhere else in the country. This has been attributed to Viking settlement of the area in the 9th through 11th centuries. Until recently, endogamy was strictly practiced in these towns, essentially preserving the Nordic gene pool and creating a greater tendency for the cancer. The city of Povoa de Varzim, just north of Porto, is the best example of this.

Correction: "...[in] the area [during] the 9th through 11th centuries."

Haganus
27-03-11, 12:42
But the Americanindian haplogroup or influence only exists in Norway,
but not in Denmark.

Canek
29-03-11, 17:48
hi haganus, i'm talking about scandinavia... denmark is of course not part of scandinavia.

sparkey
29-03-11, 18:09
hi haganus, i'm talking about scandinavia... denmark is of course not part of scandinavia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

Cambrius (The Red)
30-03-11, 03:20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
:good_job:

Melusine
28-04-11, 02:07
From Wikpedia: HAPLOGROUP X (MTDNA)

Indigenous Peoples of the Americas also have X2a and X2g MTDNA. The Algonquian that have tested are at 25% of a subclade of hg X.

There are other Native Ameriana people with hg X, Navajo etc. .


http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA)

There is map on top right hand side (color orange/yellow) that shows migration paths

If this URL does not work google search;Haplogroup X MTDNA Wikipedia.

"No man (women) is an island" unk.

Melusine

Regulus
28-04-11, 14:18
hi haganus, i'm talking about scandinavia... denmark is of course not part of scandinavia.



Did you perhaps mistype what you wanted to say here?

honalena
17-06-11, 02:22
Well I am not surprised that they had random haplogroups. I mean they had slaves from other countries. I m related to Orcadians 26 % and 74% Finn (autosomal dna). I have haplogroup H4a1a1 and this haplogroup is uncommon from Iberian pennisula.

Canek
28-06-11, 23:25
sorry regulus you're right, i was wrong about what is "scandinavia" (thanks for the correction sparkey).

but the amerindian do share some genetic with SOME scandinavian regions.

Carlitos
28-06-11, 23:27
sorry regulus you're right, i was wrong about what is "scandinavia" (thanks for the correction sparkey).

but the amerindian do share some genetic with SOME scandinavian regions.


Oh my God, one who wants to be a Viking.

Knovas
29-06-11, 13:31
No. What he pretends to say is that Scandinavians have a genetic connection with Amerindians, wich is the greatest nonsense we could expect. Somebody noted above the difference between Siberian and Amerindian, but he's still with the same. Much better to try in the circus, people will be laughin all day jaja.

sparkey
29-06-11, 17:42
sorry regulus you're right, i was wrong about what is "scandinavia" (thanks for the correction sparkey).

but the amerindian do share some genetic with SOME scandinavian regions.

You're welcome, Canek.

I'm not sure what genetic connection you're alluding to. Admixture in Greenland? The occasional Y-DNA Haplogroup Q in Scandinavia? It doesn't seem more significant to me than distant shared Siberian ancestry, as Maciamo alludes.

Canek
29-06-11, 20:20
No. What he pretends to say is that Scandinavians have a genetic connection with Amerindians, wich is the greatest nonsense we could expect. Somebody noted above the difference between Siberian and Amerindian, but he's still with the same. Much better to try in the circus, people will be laughin all day jaja.

i'm not saying scandinavian people and amerindian people look the same. that would be absurd of course, (and only a spanish wanabee would say something like that)

i'm saying that there is A BIT of amerindian genes in some scandinavian regions.

read well next time please.

Knovas
29-06-11, 21:53
My reading comprehension is Ok. The "bit" is not Amerindian, is SIBERIAN.

Stop with this bullshit.

Canek
29-06-11, 21:55
DNA Shows Viking, Amerindian Link To Iceland

Posted on: Thursday, 18 November 2010, 07:37 CST
Vikings may be responsible for bringing the first Native American to Europe via Iceland more than a thousand years ago, Spanish and Icelandic researchers suggest in a new study.
The findings may confirm long-accepted theories, based on Icelandic medieval texts and a Viking settlement in Newfoundland in Canada, that Vikings reached the Americas several centuries before Christopher Columbus did in 1492.
The Spanish National Research Council (CSIC) said genetic analysis of about 80 people from four Icelandic families showed they possess a type of DNA normally found only in Native Americans or East Asians.
“It was thought at first that (the DNA) came from recently established Asian families in Iceland,” CSIC researcher Carles Lalueza-Fox said in a statement, according to the institute.
“But when family genealogy was studied, it was discovered that the four families were descended from ancestors who lived between 1710 and 1740 from the same region of southern Iceland,” He said.
The specific gene -- C1e -- was found to also be mitochondrial, which means the genes were introduced into Iceland by a woman.
“As the island was virtually isolated from the 10th century, the most likely hypothesis is that these genes corresponded to an Amerindian woman who was brought from America by the Vikings around the year 1000,” Lalueza-Fox told the AFP news agency.
Data for the study was used from the Icelandic-based genomics firm deCODE Genetics. Lalueza-Fox said the research team hopes to find more instances of the same Native American DNA in Iceland’s population.
The report, published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, said 75 to 80 percent of modern-day Icelanders can trace their lineage to Scandinavia, while nearly the rest trace back to Scotland and Ireland.
The C1e gene makes up a very small percentage of those who can trace some of their lineage back to the Americas.
“Contrary to an initial assumption that this lineage was a recent arrival (in Iceland), preliminary genealogical analyses revealed that the C1 lineage was present in the Icelandic mitochondrial DNA pool at least 300 years ago,” the journal reported.
“This raised the intriguing possibility that the Icelandic C1 lineage could be traced to Viking voyages to the Americas that commenced in the 10th century,” said the journal.


http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1952940/dna_shows_viking_amerindian_link_to_iceland/

Ferreira
29-06-11, 22:19
No. What he pretends to say is that Scandinavians have a genetic connection with Amerindians, wich is the greatest nonsense we could expect. Somebody noted above the difference between Siberian and Amerindian, but he's still with the same. Much better to try in the circus, people will be laughin all day jaja.

Yo aquí los únicos insultos que he leído son de mis dos compatriotas. Qué panda de maleducados sois. La gente del norte de Europa es mucho más educada.

Translation: here again, only Spaniards are insulting.

Knovas
29-06-11, 22:24
Not bad for a fairy tail. Good job.

If this is really true (almost impreceptible influence), is not representative of the mainland Scandinavians (Denmark, Sweden and Norway), wich are properly the countries of the area.

It's imposible to take you seriously.

Canek
29-06-11, 22:32
Yo aquí los únicos insultos que he leído son de mis dos compatriotas. Qué panda de maleducados sois. La gente del norte de Europa es mucho más educada.

Translation: here again, only Spaniards are insulting.

Thanks my pana. :good_job: But I think all the forum is used to the insults from the spaniards.

sparkey
29-06-11, 22:42
This is a repost (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?26097-Native-American-Genes-found-in-Icelandic-Families). Basically, the variety of C1 in Iceland is unique, suggesting a more ancient connection than the common colonization of Greenland. The study thought that traveling Amerinds were a possibility, or possibly simply a common Siberian link, like Scandinavians and Amerinds have with Y-DNA Haplogroup Q... nothing conclusive or earth-shattering here, I'm afraid.

Knovas
29-06-11, 22:54
Of course. Not probable.

Canek
30-06-11, 10:31
Amerindian DNA in ethnic norwegians: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=314935

ultralars
01-08-11, 23:00
The vikings reached America, the middel east all, all over the place. it's natrual that they probably brought home slaves from the raids which they may have mated with.

There are theories that say that the reason vikings went out was to get rich so that they will get a women, since women where sparse those days due to people killing daugthers as babies, simply taking a women home from one of the raids then seems natrual i guess.

The icelanders are decendants of vikings that lost a battle against harald hårfagre, or maybe someone else but they lost a battle and was forced to flee to iceland. Which makes them DIRECT decendants of the vikings of Norway, not all are direct decendants of course but some.

Vikings are of course renowed for being superior fighters and being very physically strong.

Maybe that is the reason they have won more gold medals than any other country despite few competitors in worlds strongest man competition. A competition that combines strength and endurance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Strongest_Man

An icelander also holds the record for most weight deadlifted without the use of deadlift equipment.

Knovas
01-08-11, 23:23
They probably brought slaves, but the influence of this in the Scandinavian genome it's pure noise. Even if some of this Slaves mixed with ethnic Scandinavians, there are almost sure non of those descendats today. And if a couple of them exist nowadays, it's posible that an autosomal analysis can't be able to detect any of this.

This thread (like others started by the same fella) is totally retarded.

PD: Yes, it's curious that Scandinavians and similars won the competition a lot of times. Now Zidrunas is the Master, it's awesome to see him in action.