View Full Version : Does anyone know what haplogroup cromagnons where

04-08-11, 20:07
the skeletons that are 35,000 years old found in europe, have they been genetically tested? does anyone know results?


04-08-11, 20:35
Nothing 35,000 years old has been tested successfully for Y-DNA or mtDNA haplogroups. The oldest Eurasian mtDNA I think is the 30,000-year-old Russian U2 found in Krause 2010. Gravettian samples have also been tested for mtDNA, but pretty much all of them were inconclusive except for one N*. Solutrian and Magdalenian have been all either U or inconclusive. Otherwise, Mesolithic European mtDNA has pretty much been U with maybe some H. The oldest Y-DNA tested has been in the Neolithic, where we've found F*, G2a, and I2a1. See Jean Manco (http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/ancientdna.shtml).

Based on diversity analysis, we can conclude that 35,000 year old European Y-DNA could have been IJ or F*. Haplogroup I is probably the only modern Y-DNA haplogroup that descends from that population (if they're even that ancient), unless some stray modern F* is, or something exists that we just haven't found yet.

04-09-11, 15:05
A 2003 study was published reporting on the mtDNA sequencing of the bones of two 24,000-year-old anatomically modern humans of the Cro-Magnon type from Southern Italy. The study showed one was of either haplogroup HV or R0

04-09-11, 15:06
Haplogroup HV is a west Eurasian haplogroup found throughout the Middle East, including Iran, Anatolia (present-day Turkey) and the Caucasus Mountains of southern Russia and the republic of Georgia. It is also found to a much lesser extent in parts of East Africa, mainly in the population of Sudanese Arabs, where the frequency of Eurasian ancestry is 22.5%,[3] and a very high frequency of y-chromosome haplogroup J is also found.[4]
Much earlier, around 30,000 years ago, some members of HV moved north across the Caucasus Mountains and west across Anatolia, their lineages being carried into Europe for the first time by the Cro-Magnon. Their arrival was the second group(s) of anatomically modern humans in Europe (the first being mtDNA haplogroup U5). These continued migrations sounded the end of the era of the Neandertals, a hominid species that inhabited Europe and parts of western Asia from about 230,000 to 29,000 years ago. Better communication skills, weapons, and resourcefulness probably enabled them to outcompete Neandertals for scarce resources. Importantly, some descendants of HV had already broken off and formed their own group, haplogroup H, and continued the push into Western Europe.