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kgnju
12-08-11, 16:28
As Europeandefence Union as concern,Which EU country is the biggest obstacle to it?France,whose over-ambitious autonomous EU Army plan which caused Nato to refuse?UK,whose special relationship with US make EU devided? Germany,whose reluctance in puttingmoney in military and using forces?

So,Which one?Youropinion.Thank you!

Anton, Bear's den
12-08-11, 17:28
In that world all about money kgnju. Nobody want to pay for additional security structure if Uncle Sam pays for all. Sly European governments better spend these money on the social security of their people and other areas, butter instead of guns.

kgnju
13-08-11, 11:10
In that world all about money kgnju. Nobody want to pay for additional security structure if Uncle Sam pays for all. Sly European governments better spend these money on the social security of their people and other areas, butter instead of guns.
Uhh, so if Uncle Sam would not pay for Europe in future?

Reinaert
13-08-11, 12:37
Uncle Sam doesn't pay anything for Europe. They never did that.
It's all propaganda.

Even the so called "Marshall Plan" right after the war was a hoax.

To give an example.. In 1953 25% of the National Budget of The Netherlands went to the Armed Forces.
In that time nobody knew about that. It was insane!

NATO was a way to sell arms to Europe, where America got a huge profit from!

And BTW, how can America pay anyway? They are in deep trouble themselves.
The republicans made a financial mess, the USA can't overcome in a 100 years I reckon.

And still Americans are also blaming Europe, and countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. Well, their debts are peanuts compared to the American bottomless pit. :angry:

iapetoc
13-08-11, 12:58
Uncle Sam doesn't pay anything for Europe. They never did that.
It's all propaganda.

Even the so called "Marshall Plan" right after the war was a hoax.

To give an example.. In 1953 25% of the National Budget of The Netherlands went to the Armed Forces.
In that time nobody knew about that. It was insane!

NATO was a way to sell arms to Europe, where America got a huge profit from!

And BTW, how can America pay anyway? They are in deep trouble themselves.
The republicans made a financial mess, the USA can't overcome in a 100 years I reckon.

And still Americans are also blaming Europe, and countries like Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland. Well, their debts are peanuts compared to the American bottomless pit. :angry:

I might agree with that,

the USA crisis is mostly due to drop of Gun sells to rest of world,

just consider if Turkey the biggest consumer buy European Air fighters and not F16 (>180)

many USA trade are not any more USA product like NIKE chevrolet etc but indonesian Korean what ever,

so drop of Gun selling, and cut of military spend injured USA very hard,

just think that the change of Greece to European model weapons like the corvetes from dutch and Mirage 2000 how many $ injured the USA economy, in order of 120 F16 Greece bought only 40, the italian milan instead of US antitank and the ss300 from russia instead of Patriot
the Leopard A Gr model (specially designed for Greek land) instead of M65 and M48 etc
think also the replacement reserve of parts etc
until 80's all Greek army weapons were made in USA, after 80's and 90' only 33 % is,

by adding few more countries like Greece then the Sum is HUGE