Bodin
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- Praia , Cape Verde
- Ethnic group
- Srbin
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I2a1b-Din
- mtDNA haplogroup
- X2
Nations in Panonia before Hungarian settling :
1. In V century BC Herodotus mentions Sigini north of Danube - they had Median suit ( armor of metall plates ) and ponnie horses that was realy small so they couldnt be rided but was only used to pull chariots . He say they are Median colony . They origins remains mistery .
2. During V century Panonians - tribe of Illyrians conqueres Panonia, that is named by Illyrian word pan that probably means - moisture , swamp - so both tribe and aeria were called by swamps that were numerous around big rivers like Tisza , Danube , Sava , Sereth ,...
3. In IV century comes the Celts , but they were asimilated , and took Illyrian languague , aldo leaving significant impact
4. Taurisci Celtic tribe conquers Panonia around 279 BC , but Panonians reclaimed they independence
* Both of Celtic settling waves probably carried R1b in significant amounts , but some of R1a is also posible , because they are conected with Boii that conquered Slovakia at same time , and Northern Celtic tribes like Boii and especially Lugii seems to had a lot of R1a ( there was R1a in Czech 2.500 years ago )
5. In 80 BC there was first found Sarmathian artefacts in Panonia - probably spreading of Sarmathian empire ( in I century they took taxes of Cotini - celtic tribe in Czech and Slovakia)
* I believe Sarmathians were I2a1b
6. In 35 BC Panonia was conquered by Rome
7. 6-9 AD great rebelion of Illyrian and Panonian tribes , Romans transfered groups of Illyrians ( Panonians are Illyrians to ) to Thracia and Dacia , and parts of Dacians and Thracians in Illyrikum and Panonia - new tribes were formed
8. Emperor Trajan ( 98 -117) alowed large groups of Yazigi ( Sarmathians) to settle betwen Tisza and Danube rivers . These Yazigi were mentioned like separate nationality even in Avar Khaganate
9. 380. Panonia was taken by Huns
10. 455. Huns were defeted by rebeled aliance of Germanic nations led by Gepids. Like leaders Gepids took Hunic lands in Panonia
* Gepids probably had Scandinavian haplogroups like all Gots - I1 , I2b , R1a and R1b
11. Around 530 Langobards take west Panonia
* Langobards also had Germanic I1 , I2b , R1a and R1b, they couldnt left significant impact
12. 568 Avars conquering Gepidi , and they alies Langobards runing away from them in Italy
1. In V century BC Herodotus mentions Sigini north of Danube - they had Median suit ( armor of metall plates ) and ponnie horses that was realy small so they couldnt be rided but was only used to pull chariots . He say they are Median colony . They origins remains mistery .
2. During V century Panonians - tribe of Illyrians conqueres Panonia, that is named by Illyrian word pan that probably means - moisture , swamp - so both tribe and aeria were called by swamps that were numerous around big rivers like Tisza , Danube , Sava , Sereth ,...
3. In IV century comes the Celts , but they were asimilated , and took Illyrian languague , aldo leaving significant impact
4. Taurisci Celtic tribe conquers Panonia around 279 BC , but Panonians reclaimed they independence
* Both of Celtic settling waves probably carried R1b in significant amounts , but some of R1a is also posible , because they are conected with Boii that conquered Slovakia at same time , and Northern Celtic tribes like Boii and especially Lugii seems to had a lot of R1a ( there was R1a in Czech 2.500 years ago )
5. In 80 BC there was first found Sarmathian artefacts in Panonia - probably spreading of Sarmathian empire ( in I century they took taxes of Cotini - celtic tribe in Czech and Slovakia)
* I believe Sarmathians were I2a1b
6. In 35 BC Panonia was conquered by Rome
7. 6-9 AD great rebelion of Illyrian and Panonian tribes , Romans transfered groups of Illyrians ( Panonians are Illyrians to ) to Thracia and Dacia , and parts of Dacians and Thracians in Illyrikum and Panonia - new tribes were formed
8. Emperor Trajan ( 98 -117) alowed large groups of Yazigi ( Sarmathians) to settle betwen Tisza and Danube rivers . These Yazigi were mentioned like separate nationality even in Avar Khaganate
9. 380. Panonia was taken by Huns
10. 455. Huns were defeted by rebeled aliance of Germanic nations led by Gepids. Like leaders Gepids took Hunic lands in Panonia
* Gepids probably had Scandinavian haplogroups like all Gots - I1 , I2b , R1a and R1b
11. Around 530 Langobards take west Panonia
* Langobards also had Germanic I1 , I2b , R1a and R1b, they couldnt left significant impact
12. 568 Avars conquering Gepidi , and they alies Langobards runing away from them in Italy