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Antigone
11-10-11, 07:17
9/11 plunged the USA, Britain and it's allies into 10yrs of war and, now, financial disaster. Is it the beginning of the end for Western dominance of world affairs and does this mean victory to Al Qaeda?

http://www.newstatesman.com/global-issues/2011/09/afghanistan-iraq-west-world

Maciamo
11-10-11, 08:14
It's a fair point when you see that the West has suffered two consecutive financial crisis in 3 years and the source can eventually be traced back to the US public debt, which soared under G.W. Bush after 9/11. So is Al Qaeda ultimately responsible for bringing stock markets down on the long term ? It's probably not the only factor, but it surely played a role.

LeBrok
11-10-11, 08:38
Surely Al Qaeda didn't do us good.

On other note, I really have a need for a "positive news" TV station. I need to get up in the morning, turn TV on and listen to only good news. It would put a smile on my face, believe in people, and made me energized for the whole day.

edao
11-10-11, 12:02
Al Qaeda isn't a real organisation as they are portrayed in the media, but random groups of terror cells who use the brand as and when they feel like it. The idea of a head controlling a huge organisation is total fiction.The footage of Osama as an old man in a hovel waching tv was hardly the head of a international force of terror. The American government want people to be scared because that means they can do what they want when they want.

"Emmanuel Goldstein is a character in George Orwell's classic dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. He is the number one enemy of the people according to Big Brother and the Party, who heads a mysterious and possibly fictitious anti-party organization called The Brotherhood. Despite being a key part of the story, he is only actually seen and heard on telescreen, and may in fact be nothing more than a useful propaganda fabrication of the Ministry of Truth." source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Goldstein)

Goga
12-10-11, 00:12
Financial crisis in West has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. And geopolitically speaking is West not down (yet). Israel does still exist and is ready and capable do defend herself.

If Israel is defeated than things will be look very bad for West. But I don't think that will ever happen. No forces are able to stop globalisation and liberal democratisation!

LeBrok
12-10-11, 03:23
I like your optimistic spirit Goga, and I hope you're right. Not sure though, what you meant by putting Israel in front of western defenses?

Goga
12-10-11, 04:22
Not sure though, what you meant by putting Israel in front of western defenses?Of course you do!

To understand this we must to realise what these fanatics is driving to bring the West down and what do they want to achieve.

The West denigrated the Islamic world for some time due to racisme, insult, creation of Israel and imperialistic & colonial expansions in the Middle East what caused anger and damaged their pride. Most people in the Middle East are very poor. And most of them have nothing to lose. These are one of the reasons why Al-Qaeda got support from many folks in the Islamic world.

The aim of Al-Qaeda is to realise the worldwide Caliphate without a civil constitution, but with a Taliban-style (also Saudi & Shia Iranian kind) Sharia law imposed to all of us. They're against the free spirit and freedom in general.
Many people (European origin) in the West basically don't mind to become Muslim etc.. What matters for them is money, money and only money.

But the biggest opponents of the Sharia law and Caliphate are the Jews. They know that they will be the very first victims of the destructive fanatic Islamist expansion.
First of all: Israel is the neighbour of these lunatics, Israel is part of the Middle East and it is in middle of this aggression. Non-Islamic Jewish state in the Muslim world, with Jerusalem under the Jewish control is a sign of weakness. That's why the first what Al-Qaeda, Iran etc. want to do I to destroy it.
Also, Israel is the biggest enemy of worldwide Caliphate and the Islamists can't proceed & realise their plans as long as Israel exists!

It is not so difficult to defeat these people. Israel must get a true ally in the Middle East and another secular powerful state with 'liberal democratic' constitution must be created in the Middle East to weaken the Arabic, Iranian and Turkish countries and reduce their influence. This state is Kurdistan. Kurdistan and Israel will bring more balance of power in the Middle East. I know that Israel supports this idea. But I still don't understand why the USA is against it and many Kurds don't want to fight for it…

Nova123
12-10-11, 05:38
Most Jews are Zionist = Nazi

Jews have and still are Systematically ethnically cleansing indigenous people Because they are not Jews (gentiles), (i.e. Palestinians ) it's a crime a against humanity and world peace and tolerance, Note the biggest and key political and emotion problem between the west & the Muslims is simply there support of a state based on ethnic cleansing [1] (a view shared by many including general David Petraeus [2]

for example : The British guardian news paper reported that in Israeli school books the massacres and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians are not denied, they are represented in school books as something that in the long run was good for the Jewish state. For example, Deir Yassin [a pre-1948 Palestinian village close to Jerusalem] was a terrible slaughter by Israeli soldiers. In school books they tell you that this massacre initiated the massive flight of Palestinians from Israel and enabled the establishment of a Jewish state with a Jewish majority. So it was for the best. Maybe it was unfortunate, but in the long run the consequences for us were good [3]


it should be noted that the western support 4 the ethnic cleansing state of Israel is motivated by their biblical background & the holocaust & the Jewish lobyzzzz, Jews from the start tried to spread the ugliest propaganda about Arabs (as Hitler did with them) & after 9/11 Jews felt that the western support for Israel would waver, thus they decided to demonize Islam and blame all the problems on just Islam not Israel or the Jews, in Lebanon a neighbor to modern day Israel Muslims & Christians live in peace , the president is Christian in a majority Muslim country - Christian refuges have a right of return - this is not the case in the Zionist ethnic cleansing state of Israel only Jew have a right of return & equality , however the true indigenes people the Palestinians, have no right to return to the land they lived on form the time of the Canaanites and Before the creation of Israel & the influx of Jews from all over the world to Palestinian (modern day Israel) the Palestinians are surfing as refuges form over 60 years after being expelled from their land & every day more people are losing their land because they are not Jews and the Jews have the power( Wish comes from the west) and simply can get away with it that's the problem simply ……..

Evangelicals (with the exception of the left) blindly believe in the bible & the tribal god of Israel how gave All the land of Canaan as far as the eye can see to Abram descendants forever. - Gen. 12:7 !

Thus the Systematic ethnically cleansing of indigenous people (i.e. Palestinians) is justified biblically because this is Gods will so mush 4 the religion of love.

But dna has confirmed that Jews are basically converts and not at all the seeds of Abram this is acknowledge by the scientific community including Jewis .



Sources:

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851684670
The Israeli historian Ilan Pappe in his book ((The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine)) . has meticulously-documented This ongoing Palestinian tragedy he calls for the right of return for the Palestinians refugees to their pre Israel homes & a one state solution based on humanitarian values and justice 4 all Jews & Palestinians .

[2] general David Petraeus, testifying before the US Senate Armed Services Committee, warned about the wider impact of a conflict that has been the epicenter of Middle East hostilities ever since the creation of Israel. He said :The enduring hostilities between Israel and some of its neighbors present distinct challenges to our ability to advance our interests in the AOR……………. The conflict foments anti-American sentiment, due to a perception of U.S. favoritism for Israel. Arab anger over the Palestinian question limits the strength and depth of U.S. partnerships with governments and peoples in the AOR ..... Meanwhile, al-Qaeda and other militant groups exploit that anger to mobilize support

[3] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/07/israeli-school-racism-claim

Nova123
12-10-11, 05:58
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0230619983/dissivoice-20

This book discerns in the history of Zionism the plot of a Shakespearean tragedy.

A small band of European Zionists enters the world stage in late 19th century, determined to create a Jewish state in Palestine. This is their solution to the 'abnormal' condition of European Jews, who are without a land and are not a nation. To achieve this, they must seize Palestine; induce Western Jews to become colonists; and, above all, recruit Western powers to adopt their colonial project


http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851684670
The Israeli historian Ilan Pappe in his book ((The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine)) . has meticulously-documented This ongoing Palestinian tragedy he calls for the right of return for the Palestinians refugees to their pre Israel homes & a one state solution based on humanitarian values and justice 4 all Jews & Palestinians .

Antigone
12-10-11, 07:23
Of course you do!The aim of Al-Qaeda is to realise the worldwide Caliphate without a civil constitution, but with a Taliban-style (also Saudi & Shia Iranian kind) Sharia law imposed to all of us.…

Well this is what governments would have us believe but it is a gross (and rather silly when thought about) exaggeration. The stated aim of AQ is to restore the Caliphate (ie a single Muslim leader) to the Muslim world or the lands ever held by Muslims. A far cry from the impossibility of imposing a single Muslim leader and sharia law on the entire world.

Here is the full transcript of Bin Laden's Letter to America where he states the reasons for 9/11 and the aims of Al Quaeda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks where there is a list of sources.

Nova123
12-10-11, 11:54
in Did you find this post helpful?

I preside that Goga post is unhelpful, however i was Surprised that the result shown that it was helpful

Howe could I change it to unhelpful ?

Nova123
12-10-11, 18:08
add Pics on comment 8

Goga
12-10-11, 19:17
Most Jews are Zionist = Nazi
???

Zionism has nothing to do with being a Nazi.

Zionism is a noble movement witch supports the self-determination of all un free ethnicities, cultures and spirits in the world!

Zionism = a humanistic movement!

LeBrok
12-10-11, 20:56
Nova123, please delete your racist and spam posts 8 and 9, and never do that again.

Yetos
13-10-11, 00:19
Personally I believe that 9/11 was like Perl Harbor WW2

US secret agents knew about but let it happened to take public opinion's YES,

No I don't believe that it was that responsible for the crisis, but the Banks politic

example as a bank I make 100 000 houses I sell them with loans,
suddenly people realize that they bought high and got ****** for life time,
they return the houses and don't pay loans,
so Bank stays with 100 000 houses and no sale,
so in order to exist the bank takes loan for another bank, but even the other bang can not sell
so the prize of 1 000 000 $ for example becomes 1 500 000 money in pappers by loan,
but the real money are 1 000 000, so one day BANG the bubble
and all bubble money BOOM
so Banks with our money, they created fantastic money,
and now goverments run to save Banks instead of people,

the case of low prize CHY chinese currency is also a problem of production, which help deindustrializaion of US and Europe less
by decreasing the places of work, who transfered in china,
so theory o moving Capitals Helped Banks but not US people,

It is not coincidence that new EU passport can work as Credit card too

Nova123
13-10-11, 11:08
Originally Posted by Goga
Zionism has nothing to do with being a Nazi.

Zionism is a noble movement witch supports the self-determination of all un free ethnicities, cultures and spirits in the world!

Zionism = a humanistic movement!


Hitler Nazi objective was to establish an Arian Germany & free or clean Germany from the Jews & Gypsies aliens through Ethnic Cleansing in a brutal unsophisticated Manner

Can we call this a humanistic movement or self-determination?


On the other hand history is repeating itself through the new Nazis

Today the Zionist Nazis (most Jews are Zionist wish is a racists Nazi ideology that stands for deporting the native non Jews and replacing them with Jews) the Zionist clear objective was to establish a Pure Or at least a majority Jewish state the only way this was possible was through the Ethnic Cleansing of the majority native population & import Jews from the world to Palestine .

However unlike Hitler they did it in a brutal but sophisticated Manner and they did achieve their objective this is way millions of people are now in refugee camps for over 60 years & stile are. the Palestinians how remind in their land & not in refugee camps are still under occupation for 40 years because they are living in their lands wish Jewish Nazi terrorist settlers illegally stele, the rest of the Palestinians are the ones how are scattered all over the world as refuges & denied the right of return because they are not Jews, the lucky ones how managed to survive the ethnic cleansing and were given Israeli nationality as a trade of with UN to recognize Israel however they are treated as second class the prime minster of Israel has acknowledged this fact.

Can we call this a humanistic movement or self-determination?

If this is a humanistic movement then you are either a retarded or a creature with an ill & pathetic mind (humanity has suffered from such pathetic & ill minds).

Note : the Jews came from all of the world with the help of the British under the British mandate in Palestine without Britain Israel couldn't have existed


http://www.amazon.com/Whose-Land-Promise-Christians-Palestinians/dp/0829816607/ref=pd_sim_b5

Goga
13-10-11, 15:48
You just don't get it.

It is useless to discuss this with you. We all know how Jewish DNA looks like. With a lot of hg. 'J'. And the Jewish DNA says that Jews are from Israel. Israel is and always has been a historical homeland of the Jews. Jews have a basic human right to live in freedom on the homeland of their ancestors, you like it or not!

Arabs in Israel are very bad for Israel. They are 'the Trojan Horse' that are waiting to destroy Israel from inside. Of course Jews are very sceptical about these folks. Arabia is a big land, there is plenty space for them.

Everything is done - by Israel - out of self-defence!


But this is all offtopic.

My point was that, if Jews are defeated the whole free world will be defeated. And that will never happen!

Yetos
13-10-11, 16:34
It is another story to create a free Israel country so Israelis have a home land and a state and not roaming the planet,
and another story to create the Sion the center of the world, and Sionists the rulling class,

Nations have the right to have lands, of their culture survival,
creating a rulling class all over the world, a supreme class, it is unwilling,

It is another story to liberate Germany from Jews and gypsies, and another to eliminate gypsies from Balkans and Hungary etc to purify Germany,
another thing to believe that you are supreme, Besides all religion claim that,
and another to put a different one to work for you, either you kill him,

Nova123
13-10-11, 17:18
Goga :Arabs in Israel are very bad for Israel.

1- Palestinian Arabs ( in modern day Israel historic Palestine ) are Arabs but of Canaanites-Levantine buck round not Arabian buck round ( Palestine is part of the Levant)
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2- it's a scientific fact that Palestinian Arabs did not come from Arabia , in fact most of the population of Arabia are of Levantine buck round Arabian came from the Levant if you don’t know this info then why are you committing a lot in the genetic forum , in fact most of your comments are uninformative – id***c & a waste of time


Goga :We all know how Jewish DNA looks like. With a lot of hg. 'J'.

Nope you clearly don't know , Most of the Jewish ( hg. J ) is J2 and according to Jewish scientist they are of European buck round


Goga : Arabia is a big land, there is plenty space for them.

Why should they leave the land they lived on through history " i.e. Palestine " and never suffered like they did under the Zionist, and why don’t the Jewish converts ( most Jews are converts ) go buck from where they came from

The just solution for all is simple:

the right of return for the Palestinian refugees to their pre Israel homes & a one state solution based on humanitarian values and justice 4 all Jews & Palestinians .

the Zionist don’t believe this is a just solution The only just solution they know is Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

a little Zionist believe thy should be thrown into Arabia the land Arabians

Nova123
13-10-11, 17:22
It is another story to create a free Israel country so Israelis have a home land

if its based on Ethnic Cleansing & injustice its wrong it only leads to violence & insecurity

Goga
13-10-11, 17:40
Nope you clearly don't know , Most of the Jewish ( hg. J ) is J2 and according to Jewish scientist they are of European buck round

the right of return for the Palestinian refugees to their pre Israel homes & a one state solution based on humanitarian values and justice 4 all Jews & Palestinians .Lol, you live in a dream world!

I don't know in what Mosque they told you that. But a Mullah that preached this is filled with hatred and is on payroll from Saudi, lol. Folks filled with hatred are intellectually degraded and are not so far away from simple animals.

You can have the last word, I'm done with you on this issue.