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Well since I have not write about that a long time I decide to write now,
The basic is a late Gallup
http://tvxs.gr/sites/default/files/article/2012/12/88749-picture-1.jpg
the first is the goverment party which had 40% before
the second is major opponent which was goverment before and last was 36%
the forth is a kind of Christian democrats, a Nationalistic party traditional Right last election 7%
these 3 supported Mercel and IMF their power was 83% last elections,
the 7th is a new party that also supports the memorandum, an ex-prime minister daughter
now the non memorandum
the 3rd is Communist fans of Marx and Lennin had 8%
the 5th is a kind of Che quevara Left a democratic soft communism or sosialism
they had 5% last
the 6th is Green-ecologists which is considered a sem-left party last time about same
the 8th is a kind of European sosialists -communists non russian style non Dictatorship of proletarians, something like old Italian Communist of 70's
the 9nth party is a kind Black-block, a foundamentalists party about Anarchy Theorytical and Proudon-Bakounin
(if I write them correct)
the 10nth is Greek Nazi which for time after 1936 may come to be elected,
the 11th is a soft central-sosialistic party
the 12 is a new party of right mainly the ones who do not want memorandum,
as you see the memorandum forces (mercel and IMF solutions) are only 40% from 83% that were in last elections,
especially the leader of the 12 party does not recon, and will bring referendum, about the whole memorandum
which means that he started a war against EU and IMF
a lonely guy that started his war in January, and now he has 11% of Greeks !!!!
while the Far Lefts reach 36% !!! for first time above their powers of Sixties when united gather 29% and was considered the Max of 'communistic' influence ever in Greece, Before Junda
B the Siemens case
http://news247.gr/oikonomia/oikonomika/to_sygnwmh_ths_siemens_sth_voylh.1702878.html
according the Data and the Numbers Siemens comapny did damage 1,500 000 000 E the Greek Public, due to Greek laws
and was to be boycot,
the evidence that some non memorandum parties bring show that Greek should follow the way German public did and ask 4 billion E by sending Siemens in German court with German law,
The case of Christoforakos is well known and was the key in case of German public against Siemens
But the names that took money so support the not 'good' for Greeks agreement are BIG so the case is not even going to a Greek court, and pass by a few Hundred millions E
the time that Greek suffer the Greek non elected Papademos is accepting a humiliating for Greek people agreement.
I wonder why and under who's command? is that the way a technocrat should work?
it not only siemens but also many other companies-corporations but the Siemens case is like a sharp wooden log in front an eye,
C The Greek Society retaliation,
I am very proud cause the effort started in my personal homeland Pieria Makedonia
it is known as Katerini model or the potato movement
you can see information here
http://www.anasta.de/TOPOS/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
I personally know many of the guys,
the starting idea was to bring farmers to markets,
Farmers that were excluded by big merchants Banks etc
cause did not use 'medicines' and did not support 'Hybrids' or did not took loans from a bank or a merchant etc.
and to raise the income of producers,
so what happened,
they decide to discuss with producers to drop prices of small quantities, but with a load of a big,
example
a merchant buys Neyrokopi potato for 7,5 -9 cents per kilo
then that potato pass a small check and went market reaching the price of 75-90 cents per kilo,
the money were paid via Bamk and after 6 months whic is considered the time to sell,
so what Happened,
Dimitris and his friend manage to help the producers sell at 15 cents per kilo, pay the trucks, the oil, and the ones who helped volunteers,
and manage to drop price to 25 cents per kilo,
after selling 115 tons (only in Pieria) all producers-farmers were happy for 2 reasons
1 cause they sell in good prices,
2 cause they took money in cash and not via bank after 6-8 months,
the ones who bought were happy cause they bought good quality potato at a price of 25-32 cents according the distance. which is 50-67% discount,
after 2 times the potato price drop in whole country by 35-40 cents in super markets,
and the magnificent
the import of potato drop at 75% (-25%)
the 40% of imported potato from EU remained unsold !!!!
the model passed to many other products like olive oil, rice, flour having 25-60% discount
Olive oil accidity 0-0,5 extra virgin from undone olives (Best quality) sold at a price of 2,8 E per litter !!!!
when Italian merchants wanted at 1,85 -2.25 per litter,
the Dream of the model maker team which are kiwi producers now is to sell next year kiwi in Munchen at the price of 1 E per kilo and kick DOLE, (the gathering and selection cost is about 30-35 cents per kilo)
and in summer Pierian-Ematheian
peaches (Γιαρμαδες) about 80 cents per kilo,
meaning that 4 pieces per kilo about 20 cents the peach,
the result of the movement,
1 big Super market and product chains loose a lot of money, i read somewhere that only .... (no advertisement, but is big chain in EU) lost about 200 millions
2 Banks run out of cash more
may I remind you that a strange law in greece say that if I buy or sell something bigger than 1500 E I must put the money in Bank !!!!!
3 imports of products that can be imported droped to 25-50% according the product
main reason is that Greek middle and poor class took all their economies from the banks,
so banks can not pay foreign by cash, and they reach their credit limit, so no money no import, no import, the bigger the inner production, and the best the prices, since 'big merchants are leaving' the field.
4 The Helios program
That is the most terrible case,
it was 500 000 000 m2 to put solar panels so Germany to have clean energy with less CO2 in the atmosphere,
well cases like Kapsis and papakonstantinoy (ministers) still support it, but it seems it will be a past,
Greeks are mad with this program,
why?
cause Every Greek is paying a fine due to Lignitis (a bad coal from earth with 50-70% Carbon)
in every electric KWh there is a 2% cost to pay the Fine,
Greece is fanatic ANTI-NUCLEAR ZONE, so nuclear plants are prohibited,
the only solution is Solar energy, which only 200 000 000 m2 are enough so greece to stop paying the fine
Solar energy could help greek citizen save from 10-100 E per month according the quantity of electric he wants
and earn another 100- ??? if he produce (privet solar panels)
there are many other movements,
Like
THE ANTI 'TUI' movement which is supported mainly by medium and small Hotel owners,
the anti Siemens movement, which every day advertise what Siemens did to Greece and who took money,
The change side movement, which mainly express that Eu weapons are very expensive and Greece must start buying Russian or another,
ETC
there are 3 moto in Greece
1 the one of the memorandum supporters
Maybe we needed that measures, but certainly we need Euro and EU
2 the one who do not support memorandum
after the entrance in EU corruption get double, (x2)
and after the entrance in Eurozone corruption get quandriple (x4)
we lived before with no Euro, we can do it again
3 by all, almost, except politicians
Set up a new Goydi and hang all those corrupted,
As you see 'Dirty' Greeks as their grand father Odysseus find solutions that 'system' did not expect
may I remind you all that 30% of what, until 'swaps', EU gave, did not went to greek people, but to the Banks, in order to save them, and buy them,
and for those who afraid Greece, DO NOT,
99% have nothing to 'share' or against someone, humans are humans,
the wrath of Greeks is major as the Gallup shown above
1 against their own politicians,
2 against Banks and certain corporations
3 against each politician who said that Greeks are lazy,
May I remind you that in a late report about ΟΟΣΑ greeks were the 4rth when Koreans the 1rst, and someones were at 30 position, having 2 months of vacation, while a Greek spends 7-10 days.
if someone wants to see and realize what is happening,
http://denplirono.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/οι-σωτήρες-μας-φέσωσαν-247-δισ-ευρώ/#more-5365
so in order to send depth in to future
which Greek politician name it as 'erase of 105 Billion E'
the depth become 174 billion E and with the new loan reach 247 billion E for 2042
from the new memorandum greece will take 174 billion E which (more 113)
from which 65% goes to ... BANKS especially the Greek ones will take 50 %
so the case is nothing more than the politician who have shares and big deposits in Banks save their money,
only the 13% of Greeks is saved by memorandum by some search,
the rest will go to priveteers and the other Eu central Banks,
while the Greek insurance organisations and deposit who lose 11 000 000 000 E TAKE NOTHING
Troika's law or Goldman's Suchs will,
as you see memorandum 2 did nothing more than to empty the last Greek non Bank, non Goldman's sachs or JPMOrgan deposits of the insurance and small helping corporations, and puts Greece in to the mouth of Goldman's sachs, and its allies,
remember papademos, the favorite technocrat of Mercel, as also Dragi were in Goldman's sachs servise,
It seems like Greece is a frontier, if it falls, then indeed trillaterals will rule over the world,
If European Union wants to Help Greece then Help the effort to get rid the corrupted, fight corruption, say truth, and mainly PUNISH THE GUILTY,
The basic is a late Gallup
http://tvxs.gr/sites/default/files/article/2012/12/88749-picture-1.jpg
the first is the goverment party which had 40% before
the second is major opponent which was goverment before and last was 36%
the forth is a kind of Christian democrats, a Nationalistic party traditional Right last election 7%
these 3 supported Mercel and IMF their power was 83% last elections,
the 7th is a new party that also supports the memorandum, an ex-prime minister daughter
now the non memorandum
the 3rd is Communist fans of Marx and Lennin had 8%
the 5th is a kind of Che quevara Left a democratic soft communism or sosialism
they had 5% last
the 6th is Green-ecologists which is considered a sem-left party last time about same
the 8th is a kind of European sosialists -communists non russian style non Dictatorship of proletarians, something like old Italian Communist of 70's
the 9nth party is a kind Black-block, a foundamentalists party about Anarchy Theorytical and Proudon-Bakounin
(if I write them correct)
the 10nth is Greek Nazi which for time after 1936 may come to be elected,
the 11th is a soft central-sosialistic party
the 12 is a new party of right mainly the ones who do not want memorandum,
as you see the memorandum forces (mercel and IMF solutions) are only 40% from 83% that were in last elections,
especially the leader of the 12 party does not recon, and will bring referendum, about the whole memorandum
which means that he started a war against EU and IMF
a lonely guy that started his war in January, and now he has 11% of Greeks !!!!
while the Far Lefts reach 36% !!! for first time above their powers of Sixties when united gather 29% and was considered the Max of 'communistic' influence ever in Greece, Before Junda
B the Siemens case
http://news247.gr/oikonomia/oikonomika/to_sygnwmh_ths_siemens_sth_voylh.1702878.html
according the Data and the Numbers Siemens comapny did damage 1,500 000 000 E the Greek Public, due to Greek laws
and was to be boycot,
the evidence that some non memorandum parties bring show that Greek should follow the way German public did and ask 4 billion E by sending Siemens in German court with German law,
The case of Christoforakos is well known and was the key in case of German public against Siemens
But the names that took money so support the not 'good' for Greeks agreement are BIG so the case is not even going to a Greek court, and pass by a few Hundred millions E
the time that Greek suffer the Greek non elected Papademos is accepting a humiliating for Greek people agreement.
I wonder why and under who's command? is that the way a technocrat should work?
it not only siemens but also many other companies-corporations but the Siemens case is like a sharp wooden log in front an eye,
C The Greek Society retaliation,
I am very proud cause the effort started in my personal homeland Pieria Makedonia
it is known as Katerini model or the potato movement
you can see information here
http://www.anasta.de/TOPOS/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
I personally know many of the guys,
the starting idea was to bring farmers to markets,
Farmers that were excluded by big merchants Banks etc
cause did not use 'medicines' and did not support 'Hybrids' or did not took loans from a bank or a merchant etc.
and to raise the income of producers,
so what happened,
they decide to discuss with producers to drop prices of small quantities, but with a load of a big,
example
a merchant buys Neyrokopi potato for 7,5 -9 cents per kilo
then that potato pass a small check and went market reaching the price of 75-90 cents per kilo,
the money were paid via Bamk and after 6 months whic is considered the time to sell,
so what Happened,
Dimitris and his friend manage to help the producers sell at 15 cents per kilo, pay the trucks, the oil, and the ones who helped volunteers,
and manage to drop price to 25 cents per kilo,
after selling 115 tons (only in Pieria) all producers-farmers were happy for 2 reasons
1 cause they sell in good prices,
2 cause they took money in cash and not via bank after 6-8 months,
the ones who bought were happy cause they bought good quality potato at a price of 25-32 cents according the distance. which is 50-67% discount,
after 2 times the potato price drop in whole country by 35-40 cents in super markets,
and the magnificent
the import of potato drop at 75% (-25%)
the 40% of imported potato from EU remained unsold !!!!
the model passed to many other products like olive oil, rice, flour having 25-60% discount
Olive oil accidity 0-0,5 extra virgin from undone olives (Best quality) sold at a price of 2,8 E per litter !!!!
when Italian merchants wanted at 1,85 -2.25 per litter,
the Dream of the model maker team which are kiwi producers now is to sell next year kiwi in Munchen at the price of 1 E per kilo and kick DOLE, (the gathering and selection cost is about 30-35 cents per kilo)
and in summer Pierian-Ematheian
peaches (Γιαρμαδες) about 80 cents per kilo,
meaning that 4 pieces per kilo about 20 cents the peach,
the result of the movement,
1 big Super market and product chains loose a lot of money, i read somewhere that only .... (no advertisement, but is big chain in EU) lost about 200 millions
2 Banks run out of cash more
may I remind you that a strange law in greece say that if I buy or sell something bigger than 1500 E I must put the money in Bank !!!!!
3 imports of products that can be imported droped to 25-50% according the product
main reason is that Greek middle and poor class took all their economies from the banks,
so banks can not pay foreign by cash, and they reach their credit limit, so no money no import, no import, the bigger the inner production, and the best the prices, since 'big merchants are leaving' the field.
4 The Helios program
That is the most terrible case,
it was 500 000 000 m2 to put solar panels so Germany to have clean energy with less CO2 in the atmosphere,
well cases like Kapsis and papakonstantinoy (ministers) still support it, but it seems it will be a past,
Greeks are mad with this program,
why?
cause Every Greek is paying a fine due to Lignitis (a bad coal from earth with 50-70% Carbon)
in every electric KWh there is a 2% cost to pay the Fine,
Greece is fanatic ANTI-NUCLEAR ZONE, so nuclear plants are prohibited,
the only solution is Solar energy, which only 200 000 000 m2 are enough so greece to stop paying the fine
Solar energy could help greek citizen save from 10-100 E per month according the quantity of electric he wants
and earn another 100- ??? if he produce (privet solar panels)
there are many other movements,
Like
THE ANTI 'TUI' movement which is supported mainly by medium and small Hotel owners,
the anti Siemens movement, which every day advertise what Siemens did to Greece and who took money,
The change side movement, which mainly express that Eu weapons are very expensive and Greece must start buying Russian or another,
ETC
there are 3 moto in Greece
1 the one of the memorandum supporters
Maybe we needed that measures, but certainly we need Euro and EU
2 the one who do not support memorandum
after the entrance in EU corruption get double, (x2)
and after the entrance in Eurozone corruption get quandriple (x4)
we lived before with no Euro, we can do it again
3 by all, almost, except politicians
Set up a new Goydi and hang all those corrupted,
As you see 'Dirty' Greeks as their grand father Odysseus find solutions that 'system' did not expect
may I remind you all that 30% of what, until 'swaps', EU gave, did not went to greek people, but to the Banks, in order to save them, and buy them,
and for those who afraid Greece, DO NOT,
99% have nothing to 'share' or against someone, humans are humans,
the wrath of Greeks is major as the Gallup shown above
1 against their own politicians,
2 against Banks and certain corporations
3 against each politician who said that Greeks are lazy,
May I remind you that in a late report about ΟΟΣΑ greeks were the 4rth when Koreans the 1rst, and someones were at 30 position, having 2 months of vacation, while a Greek spends 7-10 days.
if someone wants to see and realize what is happening,
http://denplirono.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/οι-σωτήρες-μας-φέσωσαν-247-δισ-ευρώ/#more-5365
so in order to send depth in to future
which Greek politician name it as 'erase of 105 Billion E'
the depth become 174 billion E and with the new loan reach 247 billion E for 2042
from the new memorandum greece will take 174 billion E which (more 113)
from which 65% goes to ... BANKS especially the Greek ones will take 50 %
so the case is nothing more than the politician who have shares and big deposits in Banks save their money,
only the 13% of Greeks is saved by memorandum by some search,
the rest will go to priveteers and the other Eu central Banks,
while the Greek insurance organisations and deposit who lose 11 000 000 000 E TAKE NOTHING
Troika's law or Goldman's Suchs will,
as you see memorandum 2 did nothing more than to empty the last Greek non Bank, non Goldman's sachs or JPMOrgan deposits of the insurance and small helping corporations, and puts Greece in to the mouth of Goldman's sachs, and its allies,
remember papademos, the favorite technocrat of Mercel, as also Dragi were in Goldman's sachs servise,
It seems like Greece is a frontier, if it falls, then indeed trillaterals will rule over the world,
If European Union wants to Help Greece then Help the effort to get rid the corrupted, fight corruption, say truth, and mainly PUNISH THE GUILTY,
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