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oreo_cookie
28-03-12, 06:00
Some Iranians;

http://www.parstimes.com/people/09.jpghttp://www.parstimes.com/people/12.jpgphttp://i45.tinypic.com/28atbag.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/mj67g9.jpghttp://i48.tinypic.com/30iutzo.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/2ec3cli.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/2wgssrd.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/fnwxn5.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/2z8tfs5.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega TH/c1efc9b9.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega TH/1f09afae.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega TH/1b5591df.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega TH/083bfd5a.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/178/535510_orig.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/178/535514_orig.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Alireza2/12653906104.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/A1/12653879418.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/A1/SamanAliBakhshi-Bito.jpg

Wilhelm
28-03-12, 21:20
I don'tsee them overlapping with any country in Europe. They look middle-eastern. Btw, didn't you make already a similar thread ?

Carlos
29-03-12, 01:12
They seem sohappyand well fed.RoughlyI would sayto anyone,but there areexceptionsthat can fitanywhere inEurope.

I've putthe GoogleChromeand brings medown the streetfrom bitterness, I nowsealthe words whenI havetopaste.

It happens to me with the translator of google only.

Cambrius (The Red)
29-03-12, 18:32
I don't see any real overlap with any European ethnic group. There may be a few individuals who could pass unnoticed in Malta or Cyprus.

oreo_cookie
29-03-12, 19:28
I'm confused by some of the things people are picking, like Hungarian and Dutch.

Carlos
30-03-12, 00:22
The photo nª 17 girl might be a French. The nº 16 has a very Italian smile, also I have seen this smile in Spain. In the group photos they turn out to be very heterogeneous as for features, the whole Europe is there. The nº 6 there might look like girls of the East or of the north of Europe. The nº 1, 2, 3, they fit very well in Europe. The nº 5 and nº 9 fit little in Europe, perhaps some country of the Orient, I do not know. The nº 8 reminds me very much to some gypsy. As for similarity with the Europeans it would give him a notable high place and if the excellent one purifies me.

oreo_cookie
30-03-12, 00:38
I found some pics of some who look Eastern European.. I may add them later.

zanipolo
31-03-12, 21:48
Some Iranians;

http://www.parstimes.com/people/09.jpghttp://www.parstimes.com/people/12.jpgphttp://i45.tinypic.com/28atbag.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/mj67g9.jpghttp://i48.tinypic.com/30iutzo.jpghttp://i49.tinypic.com/2ec3cli.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/2wgssrd.jpghttp://i50.tinypic.com/fnwxn5.jpghttp://i45.tinypic.com/2z8tfs5.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega%20TH/c1efc9b9.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega%20TH/1f09afae.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega%20TH/1b5591df.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Mega%20TH/083bfd5a.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/178/535510_orig.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/178/535514_orig.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/Alireza2/12653906104.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/A1/12653879418.jpghttp://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/alitezar/A1/SamanAliBakhshi-Bito.jpg

The women look like all countries of europe, the men look like slavic bulgarians

Carlos
31-03-12, 23:43
Is it necessary to turn to potear all the photography?

julia90
02-04-12, 02:01
are those photos public or private?
i think it isn't right to post private photos

wormhole
09-08-12, 22:06
I'm not going to vote. Before the invasions of their land, Iranians were very close genetic cousins of Europeans and still are to this day (albeit not as much). Lots of them can pass in various European countries.

Alan
07-10-13, 01:58
I am not going to vote. Here are some I found.

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/highres10665052wjeyluva9.jpg
http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/highres1066505guejyn7k1w.jpg
http://www.iasnewyork.org/gfx/events/iasny-2013-4.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/548873_503995899635630_827671606_n.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130611/pirhayati20130611132132740.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130513/myriam20130513071837203.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01533/Ali-Larijani_1533743c.jpg

adamo
07-10-13, 09:17
You're "not going to vote".....who would suggest that ANY Europeans look like Iranians....I mean, other than about 35% of Iranians having J which can be found in Mediterranean populations or the eastern part of the country's 30% R1a shared with Slavs (which aren't even the same subclades) the entire gene pool "mix" of Iranian haplogroups isn't similar to any European ones; for example, even though mtdna H may be found in lower frequencies in Iranians,most of them belong to the more ancestral HV which predominates in parts of the near east. Iranians are middle easterners; that's why they cluster with middle easterners. Although a certain percentage of them may adhere to a European genetic profile; the majority do not.

Khaleeji
13-11-15, 08:18
Albanian mostly !

Sile
14-11-15, 20:05
spanish for the men and balkan lands for the women

Angela
15-11-15, 19:27
I don't think most of them, especially the men, look European at all, which I found a bit surprising, as I expected there to be more overlap. A few of the women, the ones in the first photo for example, might be Greek or even from other places in the Balkans. I think Sile is onto something in terms of the men. I see a vague resemblance to the Spanish and Portuguese.

They don't look like southern Italians to me at all, with the possible exception of a few of the women in the first two photos and one or two in the first photo of post # 12. It's not a question of pigmentation. It's a very different cast of features.

Phenotypes are a result of the mingling of many different "types", and which traits for which features are dominant and which recessive in certain combinations is going to be pretty regional.

Once again, an object lesson in not tying phenotype to admixture "components" too tightly.

Drac II
16-11-15, 10:03
Most of these people don't look Spanish. Spaniards are predominantly Classic and Atlanto Mediterranean in type (dolicho/mesocephalic, brunette, straight nasal profile) with minor Alpine, Dinaric and Armenoid influence. Iranians, on the other hand, are more Dinaricized, with the Alpine and Armenoid influences that are very common in many parts of the Middle East. Also, the Eastern Mediterranean elements are the ones predominantly entering the Dinarization in these areas (if we accept the theory that Dinarization is caused by blendings of Mediterranean and Alpine/Armenoid types.) So, if anything, morphologically-speaking Iranians have more in common with Greeks, Italians and some Balkan populations, due to more Armenoid, Alpine and Dinaric influences in all these places.

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Danelaw
16-11-15, 11:18
Southern Germans/Poles are mainly Norids aka blond Dinards, so they are closer to Iranians than Iberians are...

Drac II
16-11-15, 16:22
People from anywhere in Germany and Poland have more Nordic influence than anywhere in the Middle East, though. Also, people from those areas largely lack the Armenoid influence more common in the Middle East.

kyrani99
16-11-15, 17:16
Why do they need to overlap? Just face the fact that the West is becoming multicultural. As an Australian (Australia is a multicultural nation) I can say that there are huge advantages. For example there can be a liberal exchange of ideas and seeing other customs and enjoying other cuisines. Most of my friends came from many different cultures including Iranian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, German, Italian and other Europeans. My life is richer for having had their friendship and input into my life.

Europeans have gone to other parts of the world, colonized countries, imposed their rules, traded to their own advantage and in many cases did a lot of damage. In some cases wiped out entire populations. Now that people from the rest of the world is going to Europe and under European terms, they don't like it.

Goga
16-11-15, 17:29
Iranians are NATIVE to Iran. And therefore there is an overlap with their neighbours.

Iranians in the east overlap with their neigbours in SouthCentral - Central Asia. And Iranians in the west do overlap with Kurds, and people of the Caucasus...

Danelaw
16-11-15, 19:18
People from anywhere in Germany and Poland have more Nordic influence than anywhere in the Middle East, though. Also, people from those areas largely lack the Armenoid influence more common in the Middle East.Nordic is just a depigmented med and Armenoids are brothers of Dinarics...

MOESAN
26-05-16, 18:38
Why do they need to overlap? Just face the fact that the West is becoming multicultural. As an Australian (Australia is a multicultural nation) I can say that there are huge advantages. For example there can be a liberal exchange of ideas and seeing other customs and enjoying other cuisines. Most of my friends came from many different cultures including Iranian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, German, Italian and other Europeans. My life is richer for having had their friendship and input into my life.

Europeans have gone to other parts of the world, colonized countries, imposed their rules, traded to their own advantage and in many cases did a lot of damage. In some cases wiped out entire populations. Now that people from the rest of the world is going to Europe and under European terms, they don't like it.


I dont' vote because the term "overlapping" is not accurate in this excercice. If we take the auDNA components mean to construct distances, iranians don't overlap with any European country, when some oindividuals could pass in some countries of basic inhabitants of Europe, southern ones for the most, southeastern to be more precise. Because some of their diverse components are in common with Europeans ones, spite in different %'s.
That said we are speaking here of traditional inhabitants of Iran and Europe, not of future. The interest is to compare populations which sedentized over the centuries, creating diverse cultures, before progress gave way to quicker and denser moves of people and, almost sure, erosion of diversity in cultures: "comsomption" of diversitycan kill diversity but it's an other matter.
Your remarks are politic or phylosophic or both, and it's not the aim here in this very thread. It could be interesting for somebody in an other thread.

@Angela: I think %'s of individual phoenotypic features in a population is very often an indication concerning the ratios of "mother" populations involved in the process of cristallization of a new one, even if there is not question of one to one equation. But it requires a fine analysis very far from the superficial stereotypes evocated very often here and there, often enough in neo-Nazi or Afrocentric fora.

Seanp
31-12-16, 06:00
Deleted,,,

MOESAN
29-03-17, 14:25
Iranians are 'europoids' as a whole and they show according to individuals and regions diverse subdivisions of the 'europoid' group, without true frontier' between these types, more than a kind of 'mediter' (from 'danubian' - seldom- to 'indo-afghan' - denser- + some seldom diverse east-asian, south-asian and north-european types: so some of them can overlap with individuals of almost any european pop! (it's the reason of these so boring cherry-picking photos in fora used as "proofs") - as an average, they are closer to some Near-East-South-Caucasus pops spite keeping their proper "centroid" aside - but this centroid for a big country is not too significant by itself! the average is more true concerning auDNA, but concerning some superficial features, individuals in almost every country show some heterogeneity in their own land and someones are closer to foreign individuals from elsewhere. So this kind of thread is a bit counter-productive, I think - no offense BTW -
an advantage in these threads: some collective pictures without biased selection

Angela
29-03-17, 16:07
Iranians are 'europoids' as a whole and they show according to individuals and regions diverse subdivisions of the 'europoid' group, without true frontier' between these types, more than a kind of 'mediter' (from 'danubian' - seldom- to 'indo-afghan' - denser- + some seldom diverse east-asian, south-asian and north-european types: so some of them can overlap with individuals of almost any european pop! (it's the reason of these so boring cherry-picking photos in fora used as "proofs") - as an average, they are closer to some Near-East-South-Caucasus pops spite keeping their proper "centroid" aside - but this centroid for a big country is not too significant by itself! the average is more true concerning auDNA, but concerning some superficial features, individuals in almost every country show some heterogeneity in their own land and someones are closer to foreign individuals from elsewhere. So this kind of thread is a bit counter-productive, I think - no offense BTW -
an advantage in these threads: some collective pictures without biased selection

You've absolutely nailed it in my opinion.