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sparkey
02-08-12, 20:33
Haplogroups R1b, I1, R1a, and even E1b and G2a have a plethora of interesting famous figures associated with them, proven through YDNA tests, YDNA tests of relatives, or ancient DNA tests. Maciamo has kept small lists on his individual haplogroup pages, and there's even a Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historical_and_famous_figur es) on the subject. But until I started this, Haplogroup I2 had been notoriously absent. So, following Vadim Verenich's lead (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php/35203-Famous-members-of-Hg-I2a) somewhat, I've been looking for famous members of Haplogroup I2, especially via the YDNA testing of cousins, and updating the following post whenever I've come across a new one.

As always, I'm looking for more to add, so please make suggestions if you have any.

sparkey
02-08-12, 20:33
Here is my current tally of famous I2 carriers:


Famous Politicians & Historical Figures



Name___________
Subclade
More info


Ethan Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Allen)
I2-M223 Y6098+ Y6099+
A Vermont militia general, politician, and writer famous for helping to found the state of Vermont, and for capturing Fort Ticonderoga during the American Revolutionary War. His brother Ira Allen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Allen), founder of the University of Vermont, also presumably carried I2. A direct descendant of his brother Hemen and other descendants of his immigrant ancestor have tested as the I2-M223 outlier clade I2-Y6099 at the Allan/Allen/Allin Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Allan).



Nicholas Biddle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_%28banker%29)
I2-L38
The President of the Second Bank of the United States. Coming from the prominent Biddle family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biddle_family), some of his relatives also likely to have carried I2 include millionaire Anthony Joseph Drexel Biddle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Joseph_Drexel_Biddle,_Sr.), General John Biddle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Biddle_%28US_Army_general%29), and cinematographer John Biddle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Biddle_%28yachting_cinematographer%29). His family has tested at BiddleEtc (http://biddleetc.org/).


Davy Crockett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett)
I2-M223-Cont2a Z76+ CTS6433+
An American frontiersman, folk hero, and congressman from Tennessee. The Crockett Families DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/crockett/default.aspx?section=yresults) has tested his family, including a direct descendant of his father John Crockett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Crockett_%28frontiersman%29).


Miklós Horthy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy)
I2a-Din-N L147.2+
Regent of Hungary through most of World War II. A cousin of his has tested, per Vadim Verenich and others at MolGen (http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,57.0.html) (in Russian).


Andrew Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson)
I2-M223-Cont Z76+ L1317+
The 17th President of the United Sates, who had been Abraham Lincoln's 2nd Vice President until Lincoln's assassination. The Johnson/Johnston/Johnstone DNA Surname Project (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ehjohnson/New%20Index/index/j-j-j_index.htm) has him listed as I2, and the I-M223 Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m223-y-clan/default.aspx?section=yresults) has his family's haplogroup categorized.


Enda Kenny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enda_Kenny)
I2-M223 CTS616+
Taoiseach of Ireland and leader of Fine Gael. He tested personally in 2013 (http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/06/26/gathering-irish-genes/), and Spencer Wells further clarified that his subclade is I2-M223 CTS616+ at the Genetic Genealogy Ireland 2014 Conference, although he hasn't yet been specified more.


Huey Long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long)
I2-L38
A Louisiana politician famous for his left-wing populism and his motto, "Every Man a King," who was assassinated in 1935. His family has tested at the Long Surname DNA Project (http://www.longwebs.org/longdna/).


Martin Luther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther)
I2a-Din-N L147.2+
The most famous Protestant reformer. Several suspected relatives, including one genealogically traceable 1st cousin 13 times removed, have tested as I2a-Din-N at the Luther Surname DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Luther/) and on ySearch (see especially ySearch ID: YTE6E (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=luther&viewuid=YTE6E)).


Matt Mead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Mead)
I2a-Western L233+
Governor of Wyoming. He, as well as his distant relative, Vermont Governor John A. Mead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Mead), have relatives who tested and matched at the Mead Surname DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mead/).


Živojin Mišić (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDivojin_Mi%C5%A1i%C4%87)
I2a-Din-S L147.2+
A Serbian vojvoda noted for his military successes in World War I and other wars. Sinisa Jerkovic at Poreklo (http://www.poreklo.rs/2012/10/13/genetsko-poreklo-vojvode-zivojina-misica/) (in Serbian) provides the haplotype of his cousins, as well as an argument in favor of his relationship to the Božović family and his descent from a 15th century Serbian warrior named Captain Gojko.


Napoleon III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III)
I2-M223-Cont2 Z76+ CTS6433+
The first President of France and its last monarch, who held the title Emperor of the French. Although legally the nephew and heir of Napoleon Bonaparte, both descendant testing and direct testing by researcher Gerard Lucotte have proven the two to be unrelated paternally. The STRs of a descendant (http://stoessel.wordpress.com/privat/) are predicted to be I2-M223.


Myles Standish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Standish)
I2-L38
A Mayflower passenger, signer of the Mayflower Compact, and military leader for the Plymouth Colony. The Mayflower DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/) has tested descendants of his.


Noe Zhordania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noe_Zhordania)
I2c L596+ PF3827+
The Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Georgia through most of its existence, as well as the head of the DRG's government in exile from 1921 to 1953. A descendant tested as I2c. This sample is available at ySearch ID: DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV).



Other Notable Politicians & Historical Figures

Rollo Gillespie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo_Gillespie), a Major-General in the British army famous for the Battle of Nalapani in the Anglo-Nepalese War. According to the Gillespie DNA Project admin (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2016-11/1478588076), relatives have tested as I2-M223-Isles-Sc L126+.
Henry Luce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Luce), an American magazine publisher responsible for launching Time, Life, Fortune, and Sports Illustrated. His notable relatives who also carried I2 include Henry W. Luce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_W._Luce), Moses A. Luce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_A._Luce), and Robert Luce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Luce). The Luce Surname DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lucesurnamednaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults) has the Luce haplogroup as I2-M223-Isles-P M284+.
Taymuraz Mamsurov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taymuraz_Mamsurov), the President of the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania. The Ossetian DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ossetian/) has the Mamsurov haplotype as I2c L596+ PF3827+.
Bernardo Miera y Pacheco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Miera_y_Pacheco), a cartographer and artist who joined the Dominguez-Escalante Expedition through New Mexico. The I2a Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup) has a descendant's haplogroup as I2a-M26 L672+ L160+ Z118+ Z106+.
Charles Polk, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Polk,_Jr.), a 19th century Governor of Delaware. The Polk-Pollock DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/polk/results) has his haplotype as I2-M223-Cont1 L1198+. Although once thought to be related to James K. Polk, this connection has been disproven by data from the same DNA project.
Henry Samson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Samson), a Mayflower passenger. The Mayflower DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/) has his haplotype as I2-M223-Cont2a Z76+.
David S. Terry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_S._Terry), Chief Justice of California famous for the Broderick–Terry duel, and his brother Benjamin Franklin Terry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin_Terry), a Confederate colonel famous for commanding Terry's Texas Rangers. The Terry DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/terry/) has a tracable relative who tested as I2a-Western L233+, and who directly matches a relative of Luther Terry and a lot of other people named Terry.
Luther Terry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Terry), Surgeon General of the United States appointed by John F. Kennedy, famous for associating smoking with lung cancer. The Terry DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/terry/) has a tracable relative who tested as I2a-Western L233+, and who directly matches a relative of David S. Terry and a lot of other people named Terry.
William A. A. "Bigfoot" Wallace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._A._Wallace), one of the most famous of the Texas Rangers. The I2b L415 I2c L596 Haplogroup Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/) has his family's haplotype as I2c L596+ PF3892+.
Algernon Edward West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Edward_West), Principal Private Secretary to British Prime Minister William Ewart Gladstone. A famous relative of his also likely to have carried I2 is his great-grandfather, Vice-Admiral Temple West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_West). A direct descendant tested as I2-M223, predicted to be I2-M223-Cont3 P78+, at the West Surname DNA Project (http://web.utk.edu/%7Ecorn/westdna/).
Oliver Winchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Winchester), an arms manufacturer and the namesake of the Winchester rifle. The Winchester Family DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/winchesterfamilyDNAproject/default.aspx?section=yresults) has his family branch's haplogroup as I2a-Isles-B L161+, or I2a1b2 in current ISOGG nomenclature.



Famous Artists & Athletes



Name___________
Subclade
More info


Eddie Izzard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Izzard)
I2-M223-Roots Z2054+
An English comedian and actor. A BBC documentary series he starred in, Meet the Izzards (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qxqgn), stated that he tested as I2, and has matches named Frerichs and Speer.


Stephen King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King)
I2-M223-Cont1 L1198+
The famous American author. His ancestral surname is Pollock, and descendants of his immigrant ancestor have tested at the Polk-Pollock DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/polk/results), where they are a fairly close match to the family of Charles Polk, Jr. (see above).


Jack Nance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Nance)
I2a-Isles-B1 L161+
An American actor famous for his role in Eraserhead and other films. Relatives of his have tested at the Nance DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/nance).


Chuck Norris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris)
I2-M223-Cont1 L1198+
An American martial artist and actor famous for his roles in Way of the Dragon and Walker, Texas Ranger. Descendants of his immigrant ancestor have tested at the Norris DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/norris/results).



Other Notable Artists & Athletes

Alexey Buldakov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Buldakov), a Russian actor. Per Vadim Verenich, he tested personally as I2a-Din-N.
J. Gordon Coogler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Gordon_Coogler), a South Carolina poet famous for H. L. Mencken's ridicule of him. The I2a Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/) has a relative of his who tested as I2a-Din-N.
Andrey Makarevich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Makarevich), a Russian rock musician who leads Mashina Vremeni. Per Vadim Verenich, he tested personally as I2a-Din-N.
Rich Mullins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Mullins), a contemporary Christian musician famous for the song "Awesome God." The Mullins Surname Y-DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mullins) has his family's haplogroup as I2a-Isles-A L161+.
Cody Parkey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Parkey), an American football placekicker. A close relative tested as I2c L596+ PF3892+ at Ancestry back when they performed Y-DNA tests.
Akim Salbiev (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%90 %D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B1% D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87), an ethnic Ossetian who is an honorary artist of Russia, film director, and actor. The I2b L415 I2c L596 Haplogroup Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/) has the Salbiev haplotype as I2c L596+ PF3827+.
Yegor Titov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yegor_Titov), a Russian association footballer. Per Vadim Verenich, he tested personally as I2a-Din-N.



Famous Noble Families



Family___________
Subclade
More info


Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Clinton)
I2-M223-Isles-P M284+
This Clinton line includes the Earls of Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_lincoln#Earls_of_Lincoln.2C_Eighth_Creatio n_.281572.29) and most of the Dukes of Newcastle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukes_of_Newcastle#Dukes_of_Newcastle-under-Lyne_.281756.29), along with Sir Henry Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Clinton_%28American_War_of_Independence%29), the British Commander-in-Chief in America during much of the American Revolutionary War. Other notable Clintons include Edward Clinton, 1st Earl of Lincoln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Clinton,_1st_Earl_of_Lincoln), Henry Pelham-Clinton, 2nd Duke of Newcastle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Pelham-Clinton,_2nd_Duke_of_Newcastle-under-Lyne), and Henry Pelham-Clinton, 4th Duke of Newcastle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Pelham-Clinton,_4th_Duke_of_Newcastle). A direct descendant of Sir Henry Clinton tested as I2-M223, and clusters with the uncommon "Isles-P" group alongside the Luce family. This sample is available at ySearch ID: C9X5J (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=clinton&viewuid=C9X5J).


Douglas-Hamilton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas-Hamilton)
I2-M223-Isles-E L1193+
This line includes the Dukes of Hamilton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Hamilton) and Earls of Selkirk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Selkirk). Their most famous representative is perhaps Douglas Douglas-Hamilton, 14th Duke of Hamilton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Douglas-Hamilton,_14th_Duke_of_Hamilton), a Scottish nobleman famous for becoming the chief pilot of the first flight over Mount Everest, as well as for his later involvement with Rudolf Hess. Some other famous Douglas-Hamiltons include mummification and art enthusiast Alexander Hamilton, 10th Duke of Hamilton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Hamilton,_10th_Duke_of_Hamilton) and the politically influential James Hamilton, 4th Duke of Hamilton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hamilton,_4th_Duke_of_Hamilton). Furthermore, the family claims descent from the Earls of Angus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Angus), although some competing claimants have tested differently. A relative of this family tested at the Hamilton Surname DNA Project (http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/H1.html).


Hasan-Jalalyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan)
I2c L596+ PF3827+
An Armenian melik dynasty, founded by Hasan-Jalal Dawla, whose members ruled the Principality of Khachen beginning in 1214, and who provided the patronage for the building of the Gandzasar monastery. Four autosomally distant descendants tested as I2c L596+ PF3827+ at the I2b L415 I2c L596 Haplogroup Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/).



Other Notable Noble Families

Basset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basset_family), a British family with connections to Wales and Cornwall that included Francis Basset, 1st Baron de Dunstanville and Basset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Basset,_1st_Baron_de_Dunstanville_and_Bass et), tested as I2-L38 according to the Bassett Family Association (http://www.bassettbranches.org/newsletters/2006/20060219/20060219.shtml).
Czetwertyński (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czetwerty%C5%84ski_family), a Polish princely family. Their most famous representative is Antoni Stanisław Czetwertyński-Światopełk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_Stanis%C5%82aw_Czetwerty%C5%84ski-%C5%9Awiatope%C5%82k), a Polish szlachcic who was executed during the Warsaw Uprising of 1794. The Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/rurikid/) has his haplotype as I2a-Din-N.
Donauri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donauri), a Georgian noble family. A member tested as I2c L596+ PF3827+ and posted their results at the I2b L415 I2c L596 Haplogroup Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/). Some notable past representatives have included Samuel of Kakheti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_of_Kakheti), Gabriel of Kakheti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_of_Kakheti), and St Hilarion the Georgian (http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/los/November/19-08.htm), although all lived too long ago to count them as I2 with any certainty.
Tsitsishvili (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsitsishvili), a Georgian noble family, whose members have included Pavel Tsitsianov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Tsitsianov), a governor-general famous for his military actions in modern Azerbaijan, and medic prince Zaza Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaza_Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili). The I2b L415 I2c L596 Haplogroup Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/) has the Tsitsishvili haplotype as I2c-B L596+ PF3827+.



Famous Scientists & Academics



Name___________
Subclade
More info


Nikola Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla)
I2a-Din-S L147.2+
A Serbian-American scientist most famous for his work on alternating current, the induction motor, the Tesla coil, etc. The Serbian DNA Project at Poreklo (http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projekat/) (in Serbian) has tested a Tesla from the same village as Nikola's father, who is very likely from the same Tesla line.



Other Notable Scientists & Academics

Thomas Mudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Mudge_%28horologist%29), an English horologist famous for inventing the lever escapement. His Mudge family also included telescope scientist and physician John Mudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mudge), surveyor William Mudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mudge), Vancouver Expedition officer Zachary Mudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachary_Mudge), and clergyman Zachariah Mudge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachariah_Mudge_%28clergyman%29). A direct descendent of his father tested as I2-M223-Cont1 Z78+ at the Madge DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Madge/).
Gregory Petsko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Petsko), an influential American biochemist. He claims (http://genomebiology.com/2009/10/6/108) to have tested I2 without specifying a subclade; since he is patrilineally a Cossack, he is most likely I2a-Din-N.
Anthony L. Turkevich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_L._Turkevich), a Russian-American radiochemist famous for determining the composition of the Moon's surface. His father, Leonty Turkevich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leontius_%28Turkevich%29), was also notable as the Metropolitan of the Russian Orthodox Church in North America. The RussiaDNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/russiadna/) shows Anthony's son to have tested as I2a-Din-N.
Francis Amasa Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Amasa_Walker), an economist, MIT President, and American Civil War officer. Famous Walker relatives also likely to have carried I2 include his father Amasa Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasa_Walker) and his distant cousins James Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Walker_%28Harvard%29) and Sears Cook Walker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Cook_Walker). Descendants of Capt. Samuel Walker (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walkerdesc/) has the Walker family haplogroup as I2-M223-Cont2a Z76+ CTS6433+.
John Howard Yoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howard_Yoder), an influential Mennonite theologian and author of The Politics of Jesus. His relative, Amish author Joseph Yoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Yoder), has also been shown to have been I2. The Yoder DNA Project (http://www.yodernewsletter.org/DNA%20Summary.htm) has their haplogroup as I2-M223-Cont1 L1198+.



Here is a subclade tree of the famous and notable people I've found (note that Enda Kenny is not included due to a lack of precision):

http://i.imgur.com/f2fVKmZ.gif

And here's a collage of some of the above:

http://i.imgur.com/PNcCpsZ.jpg

My research has also found several other interesting possibilities, which have not yet been proven entirely, but are worth exploring, including:


According to Armenian historian Hovann Simonian (see 58:00 onward here (http://youtu.be/etBNo0638Pw)), the rulers of the Armenian and Georgian Bagratid dynasties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagratid_dynasties) carried I2c L596+ PF3827+.
A Hamlin family member whose ancestors are recorded in some family trees to be related to Hannibal Hamlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Hamlin), Abraham Lincoln's first Vice President, has tested as I2-M223-Cont2a at the I-M223 Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m223-y-clan/default.aspx?section=yresults). However, other, possibly more likely suspected relatives have tested Haplogroup R.
In his 2012 book Old World Roots of the Cherokee, author Donald N. Yates revealed that scientists have directly tested blood believed to be from Elvis Presley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley). He further revealed that it tested as Haplogroup I, and matches with other men named Wallace in Y-DNA databases, which helps confirm the sample because Wallace is believed to be Elvis' ancestral surname. Although the subclade was not published, it's reasonable to guess that Elvis carried I2c L596+ PF3892+, which is the most common Haplogroup I subclade carried by American men named Wallace.
Suspected, but not 100% proven, relatives of Fausto Veranzio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fausto_Veranzio) have tested as I2a-Din.
The family of Algernon Edward West and Temple West, above, claim descent from the early Barons West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_West), and hence claim a relationship to Thomas West, 3rd Baron De La Warr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_West,_3rd_Baron_De_La_Warr). However, they have conflicted with other claimants (http://web.utk.edu/~corn/westdna/delaware.htm).

JFWR
03-08-12, 07:06
Me!

But no, I don't. I have wondered about this, too. I found it odd that there should be no known famous people carrying I2, especially as I2 is common enough that one would imagine something would be there.

I2 associations with historical people might also give clues to the ethnic importance of the I2 haplogroup.

Considering I2's prevalence in Saxony, it might be interesting to see whether any royalty from that area carries I2.

Maciamo
03-08-12, 17:42
Hannibal Hamlin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Hamlin), Abraham Lincoln's first Vice President, and an influential Maine politician. The I-M223 Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m223-y-clan/default.aspx?section=yresults) has the Hamlin haplogroup as I2-Cont2a Z76+, or I2a2a3a in current ISOGG nomenclature.

Oliver Winchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Winchester), arms manufacturer and the namesake of the Winchester rifle. The Winchester Family DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/winchesterfamilyDNAproject/default.aspx?section=yresults) has his family branch's haplogroup as I2a-Isles L161+, or I2a1b2 in current ISOGG nomenclature.


Good initiative, sparkey. :good_job: Those are not super famous, but that's a start. It's funny that they look a bit alike (nose and mouth especially) and also a bit like a great-grand-father of mine who was also I2 (based on my second cousin's test).

sparkey
03-08-12, 19:23
Good initiative, sparkey. :good_job: Those are not super famous, but that's a start. It's funny that they look a bit alike (nose and mouth especially) and also a bit like a great-grand-father of mine who was also I2 (based on my second cousin's test).

Yeah, they're the best I could find. I don't know if proving Fausto Veranzio would be an improvement, either. Maybe if we got some tests on relatives of famous South Slavic folks, we'd start getting more interesting results. Maybe some already have, even... I'm just not good at recognizing a famous South Slavic name when I see it.

Hamlin and Winchester probably look alike because they were both New Englanders, so they come from the same largely East Anglian origin gene pool. Interesting about the similarity with your great grandfather, though. I suppose East Anglians have the closest genetic connection to the continent among British people.

Kardu
06-08-12, 23:36
15th century medic prince Zaza Phanaskertel-Tsitsishvili

http://www.biusante.parisdescartes.fr/ishm/vesalius/VESx2000x06x01x064x067.pdf


Two old royal/princely houses from I2c-B cluster which had many important representatives for the Caucasus region :)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donauri


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donauri)

sparkey
06-08-12, 23:57
15th century medic prince Zaza Phanaskertel-Tsitsishvili

http://www.biusante.parisdescartes.fr/ishm/vesalius/VESx2000x06x01x064x067.pdf


Two old royal/princely houses from I2c-B cluster which had many important representatives for the Caucasus region :)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hasan-Jalalyan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donauri


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donauri)

Thanks! I already knew about Hasan-Jalal Dawla (got a blurb in my original post), but haven't researched the other two. I know we have 2/3 claimants of descent from Hasan-Jalal Dawla getting a matching I2c haplotype, which is good evidence that the 2 I2c samples are actual descendants of Hasan-Jalal Dawla, while the 3rd is mistaken.

Zaza Phanaskertel-Tsitsishvili is a cool one that seems basically proven. How famous is that name amongst Georgians?

Also, is there anyone famous on the Donauri line after Gabriel of Kakheti? Because that's so far back that I'd be uncomfortable saying that anything has been proven, unless we have a vast array of otherwise unrelated claimants testing I2c.

Kardu
07-08-12, 00:23
Tsitsishvilis are well-known and respected family/house in Georgia. They've had many locally famous representatives.

There is also one important but notorious figure: Pavel Tsitsianov (surname in Russian manner in his case)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Tsitsianov

As for Vachnadze/Donauris after they lost eastern Georgia to Bagrationis they kept low profile, had few locally important people but nothing exceptional. From modern times I can think of prince Jean Vatchnadze, active member of French Resistance movement during WW2, who later became one of the commanders of the French Foreign legion.

Interestingly I appear quite closely related to Jalal-Dawlas, and our TMRCA supposedly live 800-1100 years ago. I've ordered 67 to 111 upgrade to get a more precise picture.

sparkey
07-08-12, 01:34
There is also one important but notorious figure: Pavel Tsitsianov (surname in Russian manner in his case)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Tsitsianov

Very interesting, thanks. This guy is more what I'm looking for when I'm talking about famous people. So we don't get Stalin or Hitler, but we do get a bloodthirsty governor-general.

How certain would you say we are that Pavel Tsitsianov is related to the I2c Tsitsishvilis? If we're certain beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll add him to the original post, and he'll be one of 3 Official Famous I2 Carriers. :good_job:


Interestingly I appear quite closely related to Jalal-Dawlas, and our TMRCA supposedly live 800-1100 years ago. I've ordered 67 to 111 upgrade to get a more precise picture.

Yeah, it's interesting that they're closer than the TMRCA of the Caucasian branch of I2c-B as a whole. I'm pretty convinced that the apparent "nobility expansion" of I2c in the Caucasus is real. It's funny that a haplogroup as European as I2 is finding no noble connections to Europe, but plenty in the Caucasus.

Kardu
07-08-12, 02:18
Pavel Tsitsianov without any doubt belongs to Tsitsishvili house.
Unlike many other noble surnames in Georgia all Tsitsisvhilis belong to the same princely house and so it was historically. There were no peasant or lower nobility Tsitsisvilis.

Yes, it seems that the story of I2c-B in the Caucasus was similar to of the Norman barons in England :)

sparkey
07-08-12, 02:31
Pavel Tsitsianov without any doubt belongs to Tsitsishvili house.
Unlike many other noble surnames in Georgia all Tsitsisvhilis belong to the same princely house and so it was historically. There were no peasant or lower nobility Tsitsisvilis.

Great, I went ahead and added him, and also Zaza Phanaskertel-Tsitsishvili, after reading more about him and deciding that he is famous enough to include as well. (I guess that judgment is arbitrary for now--while we're still looking for any famous I2, I'll be lenient. Let's say "Has a Wikipedia article" is good enough for now.)

JFWR
07-08-12, 03:56
Sparkey:

Besides Saxony for I2a2a, I would suggest looking for people from Umea to Lulea Sweden. It is one of the dark spots on the map for I2a2a concentration.

Naturally, for some -Isles folks, you gotta go for Britain. I am not a direct relation to Nicholas Rowe, the English playwright and poet laureate, but it would be interesting if he was I2a2a like myself. I have no idea how to check that, though. I don't know any Rowes who are actually related to him.

Hey. Maybe I can get in touch with Mike "Dirty Jobs" Rowe. See if he is an I2a2a guy, too.

Kardu
07-08-12, 12:38
Great, I went ahead and added him, and also Zaza Phanaskertel-Tsitsishvili, after reading more about him and deciding that he is famous enough to include as well. (I guess that judgment is arbitrary for now--while we're still looking for any famous I2, I'll be lenient. Let's say "Has a Wikipedia article" is good enough for now.)

Thanks! :)

And in case you are interested I have a saint from Vachandze/Donauri house. English source doesn't mention the surname but it's written in French one. Saint Ilraion/Hilarion Georgian is very venerable saint in Orthodox world.

http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/los/November/19-08.htm

http://home.scarlet.be/amdg/oldies/sankt/nov19.html

Keegah
07-08-12, 16:09
I've read somewhere that the Ulaid, the Irish clan that gave their name to Ulster, were I2a1b2 carriers. I wouldn't know how to verify that, however.

sparkey
07-08-12, 18:21
Thanks! :)

And in case you are interested I have a saint from Vachandze/Donauri house. English source doesn't mention the surname but it's written in French one. Saint Ilraion/Hilarion Georgian is very venerable saint in Orthodox world.

http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/los/November/19-08.htm

http://home.scarlet.be/amdg/oldies/sankt/nov19.html

Interesting stuff. I went ahead and added the Donauris to the "maybes." I'm keeping them there just because extrapolating back over 1000 years is too far to be certain that the earliest Donauris had the same haplogroup. But maybe we'll become more certain if more Donauris test, and all are I2c.

sparkey
07-08-12, 18:25
I've read somewhere that the Ulaid, the Irish clan that gave their name to Ulster, were I2a1b2 carriers. I wouldn't know how to verify that, however.

I think it's a good assumption that they had some I2a1b2, since a lot of the I2a1b2 from Ireland is associated with families historically from the Ulaid area. It would be much more difficult to trace the I2a1b2 haplogroup to any particular famous Ulaid, though... as interesting as it would be if Rudraige mac Sithrigi and Conall Cernach were I2!

Kardu
07-08-12, 22:17
Interesting stuff. I went ahead and added the Donauris to the "maybes." I'm keeping them there just because extrapolating back over 1000 years is too far to be certain that the earliest Donauris had the same haplogroup. But maybe we'll become more certain if more Donauris test, and all are I2c.
Thanks, Sparkey.
The person tested is the head of Vachnadze house. By the end of the year hopefully we'll manage to test some representatives of side branches of the family.

inver2b1
15-08-12, 18:39
I think it's a good assumption that they had some I2a1b2, since a lot of the I2a1b2 from Ireland is associated with families historically from the Ulaid area. It would be much more difficult to trace the I2a1b2 haplogroup to any particular famous Ulaid, though... as interesting as it would be if Rudraige mac Sithrigi and Conall Cernach were I2!

There was a study that claimed to link M284 with the cruithin, another group in Ulster with Scottish links. I never heard of the Ulaidh claim.
I'm almost certain that I read of the surname Neeson turning up in M223 or M284, so I wonder if Liam Neeson would be any of the M223+ groups.

sparkey
15-08-12, 18:59
There was a study that claimed to link M284 with the cruithin, another group in Ulster with Scottish links. I never heard of the Ulaidh claim.
I'm almost certain that I read of the surname Neeson turning up in M223 or M284, so I wonder if Liam Neeson would be any of the M223+ groups.

Thanks for the info. Any famous Cruithin then? It still seems too long ago to prove to me.

I tried to dig up the Neeson sample you mentioned, as well as a pedigree of Liam Neeson to match it to, but couldn't find either thing. I might put it in the worth-exploring list if I can find something more intriguing there, though.

inver2b1
15-08-12, 19:36
Thanks for the info. Any famous Cruithin then? It still seems too long ago to prove to me.

I tried to dig up the Neeson sample you mentioned, as well as a pedigree of Liam Neeson to match it to, but couldn't find either thing. I might put it in the worth-exploring list if I can find something more intriguing there, though.

I am unable to post a link for the Neeson reference, search for "neeson m223" in yahoo and the link should be the first result.
Regarding the cruithin, surnames said to have a strong link are mainly McCartan and McGuiness.

sparkey
16-08-12, 02:05
Minor update: Added Gregory Petsko. (He has a Wikipedia page!)

sparkey
16-08-12, 23:45
Update again: Added Henry Luce and his relatives. Somebody pretty famous this time!

I think we may be getting a top 5 reasonably famous I2 carriers:

(1) Hannibal Hamlin
(2) Henry Luce
(3) Oliver Winchester
(4) Fausto Veranzio [needs additional confirmation]
(5) Pavel Tsitsianov

Kardu
16-08-12, 23:59
On Russian DNA forums I've found a claim that Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly was I2, but so far can't find a confirmation about which descendant was tested and where.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Andreas_Barclay_de_Tolly

sparkey
17-08-12, 00:22
On Russian DNA forums I've found a claim that Michael Andreas Barclay de Tolly was I2, but so far can't find a confirmation about which descendant was tested and where.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Andreas_Barclay_de_Tolly

I'm seeing several Barclays testing I2a1a1 L160+, but no indication that any are related to Barclay de Tolly. If there's interest though, I can add him to the maybes.

Kardu
17-08-12, 00:27
And I'll keep looking for a confirmation :)

Gosh
17-08-12, 13:53
I've read somewhere a few years ago that this person was I2a1b


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy

sparkey
17-08-12, 17:51
I've read somewhere a few years ago that this person was I2a1b


5705

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy

Do you know where you read that? I can find a good family tree (http://www.geni.com/people/Mikl%C3%B3s-Horthy/6000000006741977312), but no Horthy sample anywhere (YSearch, I2a Project, 23andMe...)

Gosh
17-08-12, 21:59
Do you know where you read that? I can find a good family tree (http://www.geni.com/people/Mikl%C3%B3s-Horthy/6000000006741977312), but no Horthy sample anywhere (YSearch, I2a Project, 23andMe...)

Obviously I have a good memory ))))

Bad thing is that site is in Russian )))


http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,57.0.html

Heres' a Horthy's tree
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horthy_csal%C3%A1d

and here's a comparison table which made Vadim Verenich :

http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57.0;attach=2664

Kardu
17-08-12, 22:59
Although they don't indicate the source of the information. I'm acquainted with Vadim and will ask him about it.

sparkey
17-08-12, 23:30
Interesting. Per Google Translate, someone is claiming:


Haplotype child side branch Horty Nagy (Nagy-Horthy) compared to my (match 17/20)

That would do it, we just need a source of the sample, and hopefully the STRs too so that we can see which subclade Horthy was. I think he'd leap to #1 most famous known I2 carrier, or at least compete for it with Hannibal Hamlin (I don't know how famous Hamlin is outside of the USA).

They also list some others I haven't brought up yet on that thread at MolGen. I would appreciate any input on: (1) How famous these people are (Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, etc.) and (2) How we know that they're I2.

sparkey
18-08-12, 02:05
and here's a comparison table which made Vadim Verenich :

http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57.0;attach=2664

I can't view it without signing up for the site, can you upload it here?

sparkey
18-08-12, 03:08
Minor update while I wait on Horthy: Added Bigfoot Wallace, the Texas Ranger. I also investigated claims that Lew Wallace is on the same line as him, but found that they've been discredited.

Gosh
18-08-12, 21:25
I can't view it without signing up for the site, can you upload it here?

Here it is.....

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Gosh
18-08-12, 21:46
That would do it, we just need a source of the sample, and hopefully the STRs too so that we can see which subclade Horthy was. I think he'd leap to #1 most famous known I2 carrier, or at least compete for it with Hannibal Hamlin (I don't know how famous Hamlin is outside of the USA).

Yes it was an important historical personality #1 for sure.

But, there's another one candidate for #1. It is one of the greatest scientists in human's history. Mr Nikola Tesla.
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They also list some others I haven't brought up yet on that thread at MolGen. I would appreciate any input on: (1) How famous these people are (Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, etc.) and (2) How we know that they're I2.


Well they are enough popular to be on the Russian list ))) Yegor Titov was a popular footbal player and captain of Russian national soccer team.

Makarevich was one of the first rock musician in SSSR. He's quite famous person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Makarevich

Buldakov is a famous acter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexey_Buldakov

sparkey
20-08-12, 10:36
Update: Added Miklos Horthy! I'm looking now for additional confirmation of Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, Alexey Buldakov, and especially:


Mr Nikola Tesla.
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How certain are we that the cousins of these folks who tested are actually related to these folks? And where are the STR and/or SNP values?

Maciamo
20-08-12, 11:12
I have listed three of the most prominent members identified so far on the Haplogroup I2 page (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml) and linked back to this thread.

Gosh
20-08-12, 12:37
Update: Added Miklos Horthy! I'm looking now for additional confirmation of Yegor Titov, Andrei Makarevich, Alexey Buldakov, and especially:



How certain are we that the cousins of these folks who tested are actually related to these folks? And where are the STR and/or SNP values?

Well it isn't always the most reliable method but in some cases it is the only possible.

Sparkey, you'd have to talk about that things with Vadim Verenitz who is a prominent person in investigating of I2 haplogroup. He's an author of that information from the site mentioned above.

sparkey
20-08-12, 18:29
Sparkey, you'd have to talk about that things with Vadim Verenitz who is a prominent person in investigating of I2 haplogroup. He's an author of that information from the site mentioned above.

Sure, I can talk to him at some point. Would he know about Tesla though? I don't remember seeing Tesla mentioned on MolGen (it isn't loading for me right now so maybe I just missed it). Where did you find out about Tesla being I2? He's the one I really want to confirm now.

sparkey
20-08-12, 22:29
Update: Added theologian John H. Yoder and a collage!

Sennevini
21-08-12, 17:13
Though it is unlikely to be connected solely to their Y-dna, I find the facial correspondences among the men in your collage remarkable (lower cheek, mouth).

sparkey
24-08-12, 18:27
Though it is unlikely to be connected solely to their Y-dna, I find the facial correspondences among the men in your collage remarkable (lower cheek, mouth).

I don't normally subscribe to haplogroups-determining-phenotypes hypotheses, but it's worth exploring. Do you think the phenotypes become even closer if we narrow down to subclades?:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6825/famousi2subs.png

sparkey
24-08-12, 20:25
Update: Big find! Added Sir Henry Clinton.

Fun fact: The closest match on ySearch to Sir Henry Clinton's descendant is a relative of Henry Luce.

Kardu
24-08-12, 22:30
Lot of military related folks :) must be a genetic trait ;)

Gosh
24-08-12, 23:59
Sure, I can talk to him at some point. Would he know about Tesla though? I don't remember seeing Tesla mentioned on MolGen (it isn't loading for me right now so maybe I just missed it). Where did you find out about Tesla being I2? He's the one I really want to confirm now.

Well
I can't remember where I've read about that but some guy wrote that he is an I2 (according to some his relatives).
he didn't left children so it would be hard to determine his haplogroup.

sparkey
27-08-12, 19:03
Update: Added Buldakov, Makarevich, and Titov, after confirming with Vadim Verenich that they all tested personally via either Genis or NG, and all were I2a-Din-N. No confirmation on Tesla yet, though.

Gosh
27-08-12, 21:55
Lot of military related folks :) must be a genetic trait ;)

It would be even much more when we get some more data about south Slavs. They enjoy to fight between themselves :)

The best warriors from former Yugoslavia are exactly from the region with the highest percentage of I2.

sparkey
28-08-12, 19:15
Update: A fun one this time. Added Stephen Colbert.

Current subclade breakdown:
I2a1b (L178+): 7
I2a2a (M223+): 4
I2c (L596+): 2

Current ethnic origin breakdown:
English: 4
Russian: 3
Cossack, Georgian, Hungarian, Irish, Scottish, Swiss: 1 each

Still badly unrepresented are I2a1a folk and South Slavs.

inver2b1
30-08-12, 20:03
Update: A fun one this time. Added Stephen Colbert.

Current subclade breakdown:
I2a1b (L178+): 7
I2a2a (M223+): 4
I2c (L596+): 2

Current ethnic origin breakdown:
English: 4
Russian: 3
Cossack, Georgian, Hungarian, Irish, Scottish, Swiss: 1 each

Still badly unrepresented are I2a1a folk and South Slavs.

I thought Stephen Colbert was r1b? He had Spencer Wells on his show one time.

sparkey
30-08-12, 20:25
I thought Stephen Colbert was r1b? He had Spencer Wells on his show one time.

His mtDNA was directly tested on that show, and he turned out to carry mtDNA haplogroup K. His Y-DNA wasn't mentioned.

Admitted, a single proven 4th cousin (and some suspected 5th cousins also getting the I2a-Isles) is somewhat shaky ground, but the genealogy looks pretty solid. I'm comparing the tester's tree here (http://calvertgenealogy.net/brickwalls/Elisha_Colbert_Born_C1772_GA.html) with Stephen's tree here (http://colbert.ancestortree.net/pedigree.php). Of course, there could be a wrong step in the genealogy somewhere, or a NPE, so if you've got the results from a direct Y-DNA test of Stephen somewhere and it contradicts me, I'll take him off the list.

But otherwise, I'm pretty sure he's I2a-Isles. :good_job:

inver2b1
31-08-12, 17:32
Apologies, my mistake. I thought I read he was R1b somewhere but after searching I can't find anything to back it up. It's strange Wells only gave him his mtDNA result on the show.
Cool find.

sparkey
07-09-12, 03:10
Update: Added Eraserhead star Jack Nance. Definitely a face we needed in that collage. Looks like he's on the same Y line as Eupedia poster Chris Nance.

Kardu
07-09-12, 05:35
I don't know if he qualifies (although he does have a wiki page) but the president of North-Ossetia Republic in Russia is I2 and according to Ken Nordtvedt I2c-B :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taymuraz_Mamsurov

sparkey
07-09-12, 18:37
I don't know if he qualifies (although he does have a wiki page) but the president of North-Ossetia Republic in Russia is I2 and according to Ken Nordtvedt I2c-B :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taymuraz_Mamsurov

Great find! I think he counts. When did KN say that? In a personal correspondence, or do you have a link that I can add?

Also, here's an updated subclade collage:

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7955/famousi2subs.jpg

Kardu
07-09-12, 23:24
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ossetian/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

According to Ken: 'It looks solid “Armenian clade” of I2c'

Mamsurovs belong to Ossetian nobility and according to family legend they descend from an Armenian prince. Amazingly this legend might turn our to be true...

sparkey
07-09-12, 23:43
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Ossetian/default.aspx?section=ycolorized

According to Ken: 'It looks solid “Armenian clade” of I2c'

Mamsurovs belong to Ossetian nobility and according to family legend they descend from an Armenian prince. Amazingly this legend might turn our to be true...

Thanks. The connection between the Caucasian branch of I2c-B and nobility continues to be surprisingly tight.

Gosh
08-09-12, 21:38
Thanks. The connection between the Caucasian branch of I2c-B and nobility continues to be surprisingly tight.

Even more....

Hasan Jalal Dola

Hasan Jalal Dola (Vahtangyan; mind. After 1261 was, Qazvin ) - Armenian suzerain prince Khachen . Came from the Armenian princely Aranshahiks. The founder of the princely family Hasan Dzhalalyanov .


http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D0%259 3%25D0%25B0%25D1%2581%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD-%25D0%2594%25D0%25B6%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B0 %25D0%25BB_%25D0%2594%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B 0


http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,57.msg151462.html#msg151462

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ArmeniaDNAProject/default.aspx?section=ysnp

sparkey
08-09-12, 22:17
Even more....

Hasan Jalal Dola

Should I promote him from a maybe to a definite? It looks like a third claimant of descent from him has tested as I2c. I've kept him in the maybes until now because one Hasan-Jalalyan (kit #149198) tested as R1b... but it looks like the evidence is that one does not descend from Hasan-Jalal Dawla himself.

And while we're on the topic of I2c... can anyone find a genealogy for Ryan Sweeting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Sweeting)? I'm trying to see if he matches with a Bahamian Sweeting who tested as I2c1.

Gosh
09-09-12, 00:36
Should I promote him from a maybe to a definite?

Just as a strong candidate for now, I think.
If this become truth, it will be very interesting because we'd have too much of Caucasian I2c nobility :)

haithabu
11-09-12, 21:02
George Washington Carver's adoptive father Moses Carver was of a line of Carvers said to be of German descent originally from Pennsylvania by way of North Carolina. Since Carver is a known variant of Garber and I have matches with several NC Carvers, there is at least half a chance that he too is I2c. Haven't found test results for any of his line as yet.

If I ever do prove a genetic connection you may add him to your list of semi-famous I2.

emil
27-09-12, 04:12
This is an interesting thread. I tested I2 M223+ and some of my matches claim to be related to Davy Crockett. I looked at the Crockett Surname Project page for FTDNA and there are, in fact, quite a few Crocketts that tested I2 M223+.

sparkey
27-09-12, 04:31
This is an interesting thread. I tested I2 M223+ and some of my matches claim to be related to Davy Crockett. I looked at the Crockett Surname Project page for FTDNA and there are, in fact, quite a few Crocketts that tested I2 M223+.

That's a really incredible find if true. I'll do some follow-up research in the next few days, when I find time. :good_job:

sparkey
27-09-12, 23:53
Update: Added Davy Crockett! The Crockett Families DNA Project is pretty unambiguous about which group of Crocketts are related to Davy:


Y-DNA results at the 25-marker level indicate that 31306, 31248, 31269 and 32187 are closely related. All claim to be descendents of David Crockett the elder (c1727-1777)—31248 through son William, 32187 through son John, 31269 through son Joseph, and 31306 through son Alexander. The Y-DNA results seem to support the genealogical claims. It is possible that the MRCA lived one or two generations earlier than David the elder. However, in the absence of any other candidate who fits the genealogy, David the elder appears to be the MRCA for 31306, 31248, 31269 and 32187.

John, son of David Crockett the elder, was Davy Crockett's father. So, Davy is as good as proven to be I2-M223.

sparkey
28-09-12, 19:54
Worth noting: One guy I know of as I2c*-A, but who isn't (yet) famous by my standards, is American football placekicker Cody Parkey (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/parkey_cody00.html). He has been in the news (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590002) lately, though, so maybe he'll be noteworthy enough soon.

Back to Davy Crockett... I'm curious as to how famous he is worldwide. Because on the current list, he is by far the most famous in America. I don't know who would even be second place, but whoever it is, isn't close to him for first. Is that true elsewhere in the world as well? Perhaps Horthy is more well known in some places in Europe?

oriental
29-09-12, 01:17
I think Fess Parker is more famous. Davie, Davie Crockett the king of the wild frontier! :laughing:

Kardu
29-09-12, 03:43
Worth noting: One guy I know of as I2c*-A, but who isn't (yet) famous by my standards, is American football placekicker Cody Parkey (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/parkey_cody00.html). He has been in the news (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590002) lately, though, so maybe he'll be noteworthy enough soon.

Back to Davy Crockett... I'm curious as to how famous he is worldwide. Because on the current list, he is by far the most famous in America. I don't know who would even be second place, but whoever it is, isn't close to him for first. Is that true elsewhere in the world as well? Perhaps Horthy is more well known in some places in Europe?
Mmm, I've heard about Crockett first time here (shame on me), but certainly I knew Horthy (even from school times :))

hope
29-09-12, 04:50
Worth noting: One guy I know of as I2c*-A, but who isn't (yet) famous by my standards, is American football placekicker Cody Parkey (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/parkey_cody00.html). He has been in the news (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590002) lately, though, so maybe he'll be noteworthy enough soon.

Back to Davy Crockett... I'm curious as to how famous he is worldwide. Because on the current list, he is by far the most famous in America. I don't know who would even be second place, but whoever it is, isn't close to him for first. Is that true elsewhere in the world as well? Perhaps Horthy is more well known in some places in Europe?

Oh Davy Crockett is very well known in my neck of the woods, he was from Ulster/Scots...Scotch/Irish descent was he not? :)

Armatus
25-11-12, 12:08
Hello,
According to Michael R. Maglio, Myles Standish was I2a (I'm not able to post links but visit his website originhunters dot blospot dot de ,its on the first page). I'm still looking for a dna profile but i couldnt find one :/

sparkey
26-11-12, 18:50
Hello,
According to Michael R. Maglio, Myles Standish was I2a (I'm not able to post links but visit his website originhunters dot blospot dot de ,its on the first page). I'm still looking for a dna profile but i couldnt find one :/

The link to Maglio's writeup is here (http://originhunters.blogspot.com/2012/06/myles-standish-mayflower-dna.html). Maglio is wrong, though... I just confirmed via the STRs available at the Mayflower DNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mayflowersociety/) that Standish was not the same sort of I2a as found in the Balkans, or even I2a at all if we're going by FTDNA nomenclature. Apparently, he was I2 L38+ (I2a2b in ISOGG nomenclature), and the first famous person I've seen from that group so far.

Thanks for the find. Added him.

Also, here is a tree of famous I2 carriers to let everyone visualize how all these people are related:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3623/famousi2tree.gif

terranova
14-12-12, 02:06
Anthony Leonid Turkevich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_L._Turkevich

I2 Dinaric

sparkey
14-12-12, 02:49
Anthony Leonid Turkevich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_L._Turkevich

I2 Dinaric

Good find. I take it he was a known descendant of Kiril Turkevich, same as kit no. 256403 in the RussiaDNA Project (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/russiadna)? Have any sources to confirm it?

terranova
14-12-12, 03:13
Good find. I take it he was a known descendant of Kiril Turkevich, same as kit no. 256403 in the RussiaDNA Project? Have any sources to confirm it?

Yes, I believe it is his son Leonid who was tested by FTDNA, although the full name doesn't appear on the project page.

sparkey
14-12-12, 18:33
Yes, I believe it is his son Leonid who was tested by FTDNA, although the full name doesn't appear on the project page.

Thanks, I added Anthony and his father Leonty.

sparkey
08-03-13, 08:42
Update: Added Eddie Izzard, the famous English comedian. For anyone interested, look for Meet the Izzards, a documentary series starring Eddie where he explores his genetic heritage. Episode 2 is about his Y line. (And the interpretations are relatively reasonable!)

sparkey
11-03-13, 21:17
Update: Added Huey Long.

oriental
11-03-13, 23:10
I saw the movie with Roderick Crawford as the Kingfish as a child so didn't understand much but a second screening by DVD courtesy of a Library loan I began to appreciate him much more. Great guy. His rival was for the presidential office was Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He was gunned down before he could go further.

sparkey
20-03-13, 19:58
Update: Added Andrew Johnson. Our first discovered I2 US President!

Kardu
21-03-13, 00:47
Update: Added Andrew Johnson. Our first discovered I2 US President!

Yay!! Great! :)

sparkey
21-03-13, 02:08
And an updated relationship tree:

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3623/famousi2tree.gif

sparkey
21-03-13, 18:03
Yet another update: Added Douglas Douglas-Hamilton and the rest of the noble Douglas-Hamilton family.

terranova
07-04-13, 09:18
23andme has Stephen Colbert listed as R1b. :confused:

sparkey
12-04-13, 05:07
23andme has Stephen Colbert listed as R1b. :confused:

Do they say how they know? He would be the only non-I2 I've seen in his particular Colbert line, which would indicate a NPE fairly recently in his family if they have proof that he's R1b, like through a direct sample.

EDIT: Yep, direct testing via the Faces of America program. I'll take him out.

Baptized
16-05-13, 02:04
It seems I found another famous carrier of I2, this time from France (needs to be checked).

Paul Reynaud, PM of France during the war, I2b2.

At least some Claude Reynaud b. 1620 in Bâtie Montgascon, Rhône-Alpes is mentioned at ftdna website. Paul Reynaud came from Barcelonnette, Basses-Alpes.

sparkey
16-05-13, 20:25
It seems I found another famous carrier of I2, this time from France (needs to be checked).

Paul Reynaud, PM of France during the war, I2b2.

At least some Claude Reynaud b. 1620 in Bâtie Montgascon, Rhône-Alpes is mentioned at ftdna website. Paul Reynaud came from Barcelonnette, Basses-Alpes.

Can you find a family tree for Paul that connects him to Claude? I'm having trouble doing so. I may put him in the maybes if I see something a bit more convincing.

sparkey
27-06-13, 21:31
Minor update: Demoted Hannibal Hamlin to the maybes. I've become more hesitant about him after reading the research of Bob Hamlin (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/I-M223/message/2771?threaded=1&p=6).

sparkey
27-06-13, 22:39
Now, can anyone who understands Serbian help me understand if there is anything groundbreaking in this article?: http://www.poreklo.rs/2012/10/13/genetsko-poreklo-vojvode-zivojina-misica/

Can we say with reasonable confidence that Živojin Mišić was I2a-Din-S? Or is this just guessing?

iapodos
27-06-13, 22:53
Now, can anyone who understands Serbian help me understand if there is anything groundbreaking in this article?: http://www.poreklo.rs/2012/10/13/genetsko-poreklo-vojvode-zivojina-misica/

Can we say with reasonable confidence that Živojin Mišić was I2a-Din-S? Or is this just guessing?

No, it is not just guessing. Živojin Mišić's cousins from the male side were tested as I2a Dinaric South. And not only that, with the help of genetics the link between Mišić and one more serbian family- Božović from region of Ibarski Kolašin was established.
There was just a legend that Mišić and Božović family descend from a single person (serbian warrior) with name Captain Gojko who lived in 15th century. It seems that genetics proved that legend since the both Mišićs and Božovićs are I2a Dinaric South with quite close haplotypes. The text above compare that linkage.

There is some more information on serbian field marshal or voyvoda Živojin Mišić
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Živojin_Mišić

sparkey
28-06-13, 00:31
No, it is not just guessing. Živojin Mišić's cousins from the male side were tested as I2a Dinaric South. And not only that, with the help of genetics the link between Mišić and one more serbian family- Božović from region of Ibarski Kolašin was established.
There was just a legend that Mišić and Božović family descend from a single person (serbian warrior) with name Captain Gojko who lived in 15th century. It seems that genetics proved that legend since the both Mišićs and Božovićs are I2a Dinaric South with quite close haplotypes. The text above compare that linkage.

There is some more information on serbian field marshal or voyvoda Živojin Mišić
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Živojin_Mišić

Awesome, thanks! Added Živojin Mišić. Finally, a well confirmed I2a-Din-S from the Balkans!

sparkey
03-10-13, 00:18
I've spent a bit of time looking for famous I2-M26, but still little luck. I am considering adding Bernardo de Miera y Pacheco, whose direct descendants have tested I2>M26>Z106, although he doesn't quite fit my minimum fame requirement. He doesn't have a Wiki page, but notably, there is a book about him (http://www.amazon.com/Miera-Pacheco-Renaissance-Spaniard-Eighteenth-Century/dp/0806143770/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380748634&sr=8-1&keywords=miera).

Does anyone know of any more famous M26 carriers? At all?

adamo
03-10-13, 00:36
Other than in Sardinia there's a peak of I-M26 samples in central Spain....can be also seen rarely on the British isles or France.

adamo
03-10-13, 00:45
I-M26 is also found in European highs (other than Sardinia's 37-45%) is among men from the Spanish portion of the Pyrenees mountains ( 10% in Bortzerriak, Navarra.....another 10% in Chazetania, Aragon then there's slightly higher frequencies 15-20% of I-M26 I believe in the Castille and Leon regions of central Spain; europe's highest frequencies, of course, are found on Sardinia though.

adamo
03-10-13, 00:46
Europe excluding Sardinia's I-M26 frequencies are actually incredibly low, highs of 10-20% across certain regions of Spain; even peninsular Italians have 3-5% I-M26.

sparkey
03-10-13, 02:24
Yeah, Basques, Spaniards, and their neighbors, along with Sardinians (of course) have a good deal of I2-M26, but I haven't found any from particularly famous backgrounds. None of the British M26 lineages are famous either, as far as I can tell.

Kardu
04-10-13, 01:25
Here is a Russian wiki of Akim Salbiev http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%90 %D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B1% D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

An ethnic Ossetian, he is an honorary artist of Russia, film director and actor. Not sure if he qualifies.
Salbiev clan was tested and they are I2c-B. One has also joined the project.

sparkey
07-10-13, 20:42
Here is a Russian wiki of Akim Salbiev http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%90 %D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B1% D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

An ethnic Ossetian, he is an honorary artist of Russia, film director and actor. Not sure if he qualifies.
Salbiev clan was tested and they are I2c-B. One has also joined the project.

Cool find! I guess he misses the criteria, though, like Miera y Pachecho.

I guess I could split this into "truly famous" and "other notable" carriers, with less famous folks like Buldakov and Polk getting grouped with Miera y Pacheco and Salbiev. But then who is truly famous? Maybe I could have a top ten, by vote.

So, who are the top ten most famous I2 carriers from my list, according to you? I would rank them something like:

1. Crockett (Davy)
2. Horthy
3. Johnson
4. Clinton (Sir Henry)
5. Mišić
6. Douglas-Hamilton (14th Duke)
7. Standish
8. Izzard
9. Long
10. Biddle (Nicholas)

For reference, the others are (roughly in order of fame according to me):
Luce (Henry)
Walker (Francis)
Tsitsianov
Winchester
Biddle (Anthony)
Yoder (John H)
Clinton (2nd Duke)
Hamilton (10th Duke)
Makarevich
Mamsurov
Titov
Turkevich (Anthony)
Panaskerteli-Tsitsishvili
Nance
Wallace
Biddle (John)
Hamilton (4th Duke)
Clinton (1st Earl)
Polk, Jr.
Biddle (General John)
Miera y Pachecho
Clinton (4th Duke)
Walker (Amasa)
Walker (James)
Luce (Moses)
Turkevich (Leonty)
Buldakov
Salbiev
Walker (Sears)
Luce (Robert)
Petsko
Yoder (Joseph)
Luce (Henry W.)
Crockett (John)
Samson

Kardu
08-10-13, 12:39
Yes, I think it's better that way!

sparkey
08-10-13, 18:16
Yes, I think it's better that way!

What's your top ten?

sparkey
09-10-13, 01:16
Update: Added Francis Amasa Walker.

And here's an updated tree:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6865/c3l.gif

Still looking for anyone's top ten ranking.

sparkey
09-10-13, 21:27
Another update: Added Nicholas Biddle.

Kardu
10-10-13, 13:06
What's your top ten?

I am fine with yours.

sparkey
22-10-13, 03:14
Update: Added Algernon Edward West, and also added De La Warr to the maybes.

sparkey
22-10-13, 04:34
Another update: Added Antoni Stanisław Czetwertyński-Światopełk.

Armatus
22-10-13, 23:57
->Giffard (can't post links excuse me, but there's a site on wikipedia)

Seems like all these people have a common ancestor called Robert Gifford/Giffard who was born in 1096.
One descendant has tested I-PF4088 (L160+ M26+), he's in the I2a Project.
Still, very interesting to see M26 associated with norman ancestry.

sparkey
23-10-13, 02:15
->Giffard (can't post links excuse me, but there's a site on wikipedia)

Seems like all these people have a common ancestor called Robert Gifford/Giffard who was born in 1096.
One descendant has tested I-PF4088 (L160+ M26+), he's in the I2a Project.
Still, very interesting to see M26 associated with norman ancestry.

The claimant seems to be someone named Jeffords who elsewhere (ySearch ID QED2J) only claims a lineage back to 1714, and the family name was still Jeffords then. So I'm skeptical. But if true, it looks like Hardinge Giffard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardinge_Giffard,_1st_Earl_of_Halsbury) may be of that lineage. So perhaps I'll add it to the maybes sometime.

To me, that M26 cluster looks more Celtic than anything.

sparkey
31-10-13, 01:58
Update: Finally improved the layout, and split the first post into two so the ad doesn't get in the way. Let me know what you think.

Also, added Bernardo Miera y Pacheco, Akim Salbiev, and Rich Mullins.

iapodos
31-10-13, 10:24
In the Serbian DNA Project we have recently received results of one Tesla from Lika region who was tested as I2a Dinaric South. Since the tested individual is of the same family from the same place as famous Serbian scientist Nikola Tesla, we can assumed that Nikola Tesla was I2a Dinaric South too. Of course we wait some more Tesla's to be tested, to strenghten our view.
You can see Tesla's results here http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projekat/
And about Nikola Tesla you may read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

sparkey
31-10-13, 18:17
In the Serbian DNA Project we have recently received results of one Tesla from Lika region who was tested as I2a Dinaric South. Since the tested individual is of the same family from the same place as famous Serbian scientist Nikola Tesla, we can assumed that Nikola Tesla was I2a Dinaric South too. Of course we wait some more Tesla's to be tested, to strenghten our view.
You can see Tesla's results here http://poreklo.rs/srpski-dnk-projekat/
And about Nikola Tesla you may read here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

Wow, not just the same region, but the same exact tiny village as Nikola Tesla's ancestors! Rare name, tiny village... that's pretty conclusive. I'm tempted to go ahead and add him and only remove him if contradictory results come in.

Updating now...

Kardu
08-11-13, 20:07
One of the descendants of the head of the first Georgian Republic was tested and the result is I2c*-B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noe_Zhordania

Armatus
09-11-13, 17:09
The claimant seems to be someone named Jeffords who elsewhere (ySearch ID QED2J) only claims a lineage back to 1714, and the family name was still Jeffords then. So I'm skeptical. But if true, it looks like Hardinge Giffard could be of that lineage. So perhaps I'll add it to the maybes sometime.

To me, that M26 cluster looks more Celtic than anything.

You're probably right, there is like 4-5% I-M26 in Normandy but the Jeffords sample doesn't match them very closely. Still weird that he uses 2 different ancestors. About the cluster i'm skeptical, the genetic distance between the individuals seems to high to link it with celts. I think it's still too ancient.
But still, great find with Nikola Tesla, surely the most famous I2.

adamo
09-11-13, 19:57
Armature; you are I-M26?

Armatus
10-11-13, 00:42
Armature; you are I-M26?
Yes, i am. M26+ L160+ PF4088+ and negative for everything downstream known yet.

sparkey
11-11-13, 19:55
One of the descendants of the head of the first Georgian Republic was tested and the result is I2c*-B

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noe_Zhordania

Wow! If someone is powerful and Georgian, they must be I2c.

I'm having trouble finding a Zhordania or Jordania in FTDNA projects. Is this a 23andMe result or something?

EDIT: Is he ySearch DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV)?

Kardu
12-11-13, 01:05
Wow! If someone is powerful and Georgian, they must be I2c.

I'm having trouble finding a Zhordania or Jordania in FTDNA projects. Is this a 23andMe result or something?

EDIT: Is he ySearch DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV)?

Indeed we rule! :) :)

Yes, DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV) is him. In coming months his result will be available on FTDNA too.

sparkey
12-11-13, 01:20
Indeed we rule! :) :)

Yes, DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV) is him. In coming months his result will be available on FTDNA too.

Great! Adding Noe Zhordania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noe_Zhordania) now.

DUPCV has odd STR marker choices that make his result almost indistinguishable from a G2a result. I guess DYS385a=12 gives him away as I2c? Any idea if he's had SNP tests yet? The FTDNA results may be needed to clear all doubt if he hasn't.

Kardu
12-11-13, 13:46
Great! Adding Noe Zhordania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noe_Zhordania) now.

DUPCV has odd STR marker choices that make his result almost indistinguishable from a G2a result. I guess DYS385a=12 gives him away as I2c? Any idea if he's had SNP tests yet? The FTDNA results may be needed to clear all doubt if he hasn't.
No SNP tests so far but they are planned.
His closest match is Tsistsishvili and other persons from that cluster.
Yes, they are using that weird sequence of 17 STR markers :/

sparkey
12-11-13, 17:57
No SNP tests so far but they are planned.
His closest match is Tsistsishvili and other persons from that cluster.
Yes, they are using that weird sequence of 17 STR markers :/

OK, let me know when the earliest new STR or SNP results come in, and hopefully he's not a G2a that just looks like an I2c. He's awfully close to ySearch 8H7ZR (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?viewuid=8H7ZR) as is.

Kardu
14-11-13, 01:51
OK, let me know when the earliest new STR or SNP results come in, and hopefully he's not a G2a that just looks like an I2c. He's awfully close to ySearch 8H7ZR (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?viewuid=8H7ZR) as is.

I see.. right.
I'll do that!

Hesse
21-11-13, 16:55
My y-haplogroup ist I2a2a (M223). My ancestors came from south-lower saxony, west of the Harzmountains, east of the river Weser in Germany. This is the absolut hotspot of my haplogroup in the world.
Now my question: Why does nobody find any famous I2a2a (M223) carriers from (north)-Germany? Perhapst the Germans made less DNA-Tests than English or American?

sparkey
21-11-13, 20:14
Why does nobody find any famous I2a2a (M223) carriers from (north)-Germany? Perhapst the Germans made less DNA-Tests than English or American?

I think you've got it exactly right. Americans test the most by far, and even among Americans, those with English and Scottish ancestors are the most likely to test. I think Americans with colonial ancestry are also more likely than most other ethnic groups to be traceably related to a lot of people on their patriline, so there's a higher chance that one of them will be famous.

You may be interested in the episode "The Dad's Line" of Meet the Izzards, where famous I2-M223 carrier Eddie Izzard finds that he is related to some M223 carriers with origins in Germany, and he meets one or two of them. They weren't famous, though, and I forget which region of Germany their ancestors were from.

sparkey
21-11-13, 21:27
Update: Added J. Gordon Coogler. My finding him was inspired by Hesse's request to look for some Germans. His line is German (originally Kugler) and the first notable German I2 I've found. Although, he's probably not what Hesse was looking for--he's not particularly famous and is famous for the wrong reasons, his ancestors are probably from southwest Germany rather than north Germany, and he's I2a-Din, not I2-M223, in fact a very unusual case of I2a-Din from early America.

Hesse
22-11-13, 15:02
Does anybody know the haplogroups of the Dukes of Brunswick-Lueneburg /Brunswick-Wolfenbttel - the also became Kings of England (for example King Georg) in the 18th century? They all came from Lower Saxony in Germany - perhapst they are I2a2a.

sparkey
25-11-13, 19:07
Does anybody know the haplogroups of the Dukes of Brunswick-Lueneburg /Brunswick-Wolfenb�ttel - the also became Kings of England (for example King Georg) in the 18th century? They all came from Lower Saxony in Germany - perhapst they are I2a2a.

AFAIK, their haplogroup isn't known. For British monarchs, I believe we're relatively certain that the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Wettin) line is R1b-U106, and the Stuart line is R1b-L21, but we don't have anyone tested from the Hanover line yet. See Maciamo (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/25236-Haplogroups-of-European-kings-and-queens).

adamo
26-11-13, 14:00
Does anyone have info on I-P37.2*-west. haplogroup ?

sparkey
26-11-13, 18:31
Does anyone have info on I-P37.2*-west. haplogroup ?

It's not really P37.2* anymore, we now know that it is CTS595+ (as is I2-M26), L1286+ (same as I2a-"Alpine"), and L233+ (its defining SNP, along with a related outlier).

Unfortunately samples are somewhat scarce (http://www.semargl.me/en/dna/ydna/map-snp/599/), but it seems fairly young, about as young as I2a-Din, and seems to me to have a geographic center somewhere around the Netherlands.

adamo
26-11-13, 19:30
It is the most basal form of i2a, correct? I heatd it originated in north-central Germany

sparkey
26-11-13, 19:34
It is the most basal form of i2a, correct?

No... it's a far downstream subclade, not very old.


I heatd it originated in north-central Germany

Very possible.

adamo
27-11-13, 06:06
So i typed my snps into the haplogroup predictor and there is a 45% chance im I-P37.2* west ( I suppose this means L233+). There's a 20% chance im J2b and no mention of any R1 clades. Then when taking the subclade predictor test theres a 65% chance im I-P37.2*-west and 20% chance im I1, could i guess that this is my haplogroup? Zero ftdna matches and no information was transmitted to me.

adamo
27-11-13, 16:35
Please see post above for my question, it means alot to me, has anyone ever considered eastern germany\czech republic as region of origin of I2a? Before migrating towards balkans from this exact central europe region?

sparkey
28-11-13, 00:28
So i typed my snps into the haplogroup predictor and there is a 45% chance im I-P37.2* west ( I suppose this means L233+). There's a 20% chance im J2b and no mention of any R1 clades. Then when taking the subclade predictor test theres a 65% chance im I-P37.2*-west and 20% chance im I1, could i guess that this is my haplogroup? Zero ftdna matches and no information was transmitted to me.

I thought you were T? Have you taken any SNP (rather than STR) tests? Do you have a YSearch ID so that I can take a closer look at your STRs?


Please see post above for my question, it means alot to me, has anyone ever considered eastern germany\czech republic as region of origin of I2a? Before migrating towards balkans from this exact central europe region?

IIRC, I2a expert Vadim Verenich believes the I2a origin to be somewhere on the north side of the Alps. The region you're proposing is probably within range.

adamo
28-11-13, 05:02
Im under the impression that the Czech republic region of central europe is where I2a originated before migrating en masse towards the balkans on one side and towards france \spain on the other side before moving to sardinia.

Armatus
23-12-13, 16:51
Seems like we got our first king ! Descendants of Napoleon III. tested for I-M170 and are presumably I-M223. Apparently a NPE occured in the Bonaparte line. The best candidate is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carel_Hendrik_Verhuell.

http://stoessel.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/ich-bestatige-haplogruppe-i-m170-von-napoleon-iii-bei-der-y-dna/

http://www.empereurperdu.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=5135

sparkey
23-12-13, 18:32
Seems like we got our first king ! Descendants of Napoleon III. tested for I-M170 and are presumably I-M223. Apparently a NPE occured in the Bonaparte line. The best candidate is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carel_Hendrik_Verhuell.

http://stoessel.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/ich-bestatige-haplogruppe-i-m170-von-napoleon-iii-bei-der-y-dna/

http://www.empereurperdu.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=5135

Very intriguing. Looks like a done deal, and we should be getting a publication from Lucotte anytime now.

Why presumably M223+, though? Do you have the STRs to look at somewhere?

Armatus
23-12-13, 20:03
Very intriguing. Looks like a done deal, and we should be getting a publication from Lucotte anytime now.

Why presumably M223+, though? Do you have the STRs to look at somewhere?

Unfortunately I don't have the STRs. I just saw I-M223 predicted (the stoessel link):

http://i.imgur.com/FtclRU8.jpg

FTDNAs predictions are normally accurate. It would also match Verhuells dutch ancestry pretty good.

sparkey
23-12-13, 20:28
Unfortunately I don't have the STRs. I just saw I-M223 predicted (the stoessel link):

FTDNAs predictions are normally accurate. It would also match Verhuells dutch ancestry pretty good.

Wow, I missed that, I just noticed "I-M170" everywhere. Thanks. Added Napoleon III to the maybes for now, waiting on a little bit of additional confirmation (and hopefully STRs to classify him better).

Armatus
04-01-14, 14:50
I'm seeing several Barclays testing I2a1a1 L160+, but no indication that any are related to Barclay de Tolly. If there's interest though, I can add him to the maybes.

What about adding the Barclay clan to the noble families section ? Most participiants with the actual Barclay surname tested I-L160, their TMRCA/Haplogroup fits the clan history (norman ancestry). The R1b section is mostly compromised of people with other surnames, plus they don't really match each other very closely.

Maciamo
04-01-14, 15:22
Wow, I missed that, I just noticed "I-M170" everywhere. Thanks. Added Napoleon III to the maybes for now, waiting on a little bit of additional confirmation (and hopefully STRs to classify him better).

Lucotte et al. published (http://www.ijsciences.com/pub/pdf/V220130935.pdf) in October the extended Y-STR of Napoleon I based on descendant testing, and the descendants were E-M34, just like the emperor's beard hair tested a year before.

They only tested Jérôme Bonaparte's descendants, not Louis and Napoleon III's line. But if Napoleon III's descendants aren't E-M34 it can only mean that a non-paternity event happened somewhere. Since its has been claimed that Louis Bonaparte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Bonaparte) was a homosexual, and his wife was non else than the promiscuous Hortense de Beauharnais (Joséphine's daughter), it wouldn't be too surprising that Napoleon III wasn't Louis's biological son.

Hortense is known to have had at least one other illegitimate son (Charles de Morny, Duke of Morny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Auguste_Louis_Joseph,_duc_de_Morny)), who bears an uncanny resemblance with Napoleon III, and could therefore both have been sired by the same man. This man, Hortense's lover and Charles de Morny's father, was Charles Joseph, comte de Flahaut. What's even more interesting is that he was himself the son of Prince Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-P%C3%A9rigord), possibly the greatest statesman of the French Revolution and the Bourbon Restoration, and the man most responsible for Napoleon I's downfall. Napoleon I famously told him that he was "a turd in a silk stocking". It would be an ironic twist of history if Napoleon III was really Tayllerand's grandson and not Napoleon I's !

Besides, if this is true and Napoleon III is I-M223, it would also be the haplogroup of the House of Talleyrand-Périgord (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Talleyrand-P%C3%A9rigord). This house is a cadet branch of the Count of La Marche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_la_Marche), whose oldest patrilineal ancestor is Boso I (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_comtes_de_la_Marche) (958–988), himself a probable descendant of the House of Limoges (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maison_de_Limoges), from whom are also descended the Viscounts of Turenne, the Viscounts of Rochechouart, and the Dukes of Mortemart, among others. The House of Limoges itself was founded as a cadet branch of the Counts of Toulouse-Rouergue, dating back to the 9th century. I-M223 would be a very possible haplogroup for an old Frankish noble family.

Maciamo
04-01-14, 15:29
Seems like we got our first king ! Descendants of Napoleon III. tested for I-M170 and are presumably I-M223. Apparently a NPE occured in the Bonaparte line. The best candidate is http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carel_Hendrik_Verhuell.

http://stoessel.wordpress.com/2013/12/06/ich-bestatige-haplogruppe-i-m170-von-napoleon-iii-bei-der-y-dna/

http://www.empereurperdu.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=5135

Verhuell being Dutch, a country where I-M223 is common, he is indeed also a candidate for being Napoleon III's father. But he relationship with Hortense is not proven. I also think that he look less like Napoleon III than Flahaut, but who knows.

nordicquarreler
04-01-14, 16:37
I had assumed Napoleon was a member of hg. E-- wasn't aware of this new information. Very interesting.

If Napoleon and Tesla are indeed I2, I would have them first and second on the list. Crockett and President Johnson would also be top five in my opinion.

P.S. I've always suspected Tesla was an I2. That's awesome!

sparkey
04-01-14, 21:56
What about adding the Barclay clan to the noble families section ? Most participiants with the actual Barclay surname tested I-L160, their TMRCA/Haplogroup fits the clan history (norman ancestry). The R1b section is mostly compromised of people with other surnames, plus they don't really match each other very closely.

I'll look into it within the next few days. I recall reading some Russians claiming Barclay de Tolly as I2, but I wasn't able to dig up much info about it at that time. I probably wasn't looking in the right place.

sparkey
04-01-14, 21:59
I had assumed Napoleon was a member of hg. E-- wasn't aware of this new information. Very interesting.

If Napoleon and Tesla are indeed I2, I would have them first and second on the list. Crockett and President Johnson would also be top five in my opinion.

Napoleon was E. Only Napoleon III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_III) was I2-M223 (provided that the information provided so far is accurate). Although, even so, he'd probably still be in the top 3 most famous figures in the list.

If Maciamo is right and Talleyrand was on the same I2 line (although obviously we shouldn't take this as a given), we'd have another top 3 most famous figure IMHO. I know that even in America, he is given a prominent place in history books, although here it's mainly for instigating the XYZ Affair.

sparkey
06-01-14, 19:53
I'll look into it within the next few days. I recall reading some Russians claiming Barclay de Tolly as I2, but I wasn't able to dig up much info about it at that time. I probably wasn't looking in the right place.

OK, I've looked a bit more into it, and I've come up empty-handed. Are there any particularly interesting I2a Barclay samples that prove a connection to one of the famous Barclay branches, like the Quaker/banker branch or the Barons of Towie/Barclay de Tolly branch? None in the Barclay DNA project seem to connect, and there are non-I2 Barclays mixed in to muddy the waters further. The spike of I2 among Barclays is indeed interesting, but doesn't show much by itself.

sparkey
23-01-14, 19:06
Minor update: Added Thomas Mudge.

Aberdeen
23-01-14, 19:47
Minor update: Added Thomas Mudge.

Thomas Mudge is a famous person only if you have a real obsession with watches and/or watch making.

sparkey
23-01-14, 19:58
Thomas Mudge is a famous person only if you have a real obsession with watches and/or watch making.

He's the guy who invented the "tick tock" sound! Or at least the version of it typically associated with watches.

That said, I stuck him in "Other Notable Scientists & Academics."

sparkey
13-02-14, 20:43
Indeed we rule! :) :)

Yes, DUPCV (http://www.ysearch.org/lastname_view.asp?lastname=zhordania&viewuid=DUPCV) is him. In coming months his result will be available on FTDNA too.

Any word on Zhordania yet, Kardu?

Maciamo
06-04-14, 08:56
Someone pointed me to this Ysearch profile (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=YTE6E&viewuid=YTE6E&p=1), who could be a descendant of Martin Luther. The haplogroup isn't mentioned but it looks like I2a.

I checked the Luther Surname DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Luther/default.aspx?section=yresults) and this haplotype is listed as an unknown Luther line from Germany.

About half of all the Luthers in the project belong to I2a.

According to his genealogy (http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003412626001), Martin Luther descends from Wiegand von Luder (c.1396 - c.1456) from Thuringia.

sparkey
07-04-14, 18:23
Someone pointed me to this Ysearch profile (http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp?uid=YTE6E&viewuid=YTE6E&p=1), who could be a descendant of Martin Luther. The haplogroup isn't mentioned but it looks like I2a.

I checked the Luther Surname DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Luther/default.aspx?section=yresults) and this haplotype is listed as an unknown Luther line from Germany.

About half of all the Luthers in the project belong to I2a.

According to his genealogy (http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003412626001), Martin Luther descends from Wiegand von Luder (c.1396 - c.1456) from Thuringia.

Thanks, that would be huge if true. The subclade looks to be I2a-Din-N. Could Martin Luther's paternal ancestors have been Polabian Slavs?

That said, I think I'll need to follow up before I determine whether to add him or just put him in the maybes. It looks like there's only one member of the German I2a Luther group who claims any relationship to Martin Luther.

sparkey
09-04-14, 21:13
Update: Added Martin Luther per confirmation from his relative Leo Luther, who claims a relationship with high certainty.

Exploring Leo Luther's matches on ySearch turns up a lot of Czechs, Poles, and other Slavs, as well as Germans largely from Silesia and nearby.

sparkey
27-06-14, 21:37
Update: Promoted Napoleon III from the maybes to the main list now that the tested descendant has made his STRs (http://stoessel.wordpress.com/privat/) public. They indeed get predicted by Cullen's Predictor to be I2-M223 with 100% certainty, and more specifically as I2-M223-Cont2 Z76+ CTS6433+, which probably puts him on the same branch as Davy Crockett.

Dragonfly111cute
11-07-14, 09:12
New wiki wiki/Bernardo_de_Miera_y_Pacheco

fyi

sparkey
11-07-14, 18:05
New wiki wiki/Bernardo_de_Miera_y_Pacheco

fyi

Thanks, I had figured he deserved one. Now the M26 subclade officially has a notable representative who meets my minimum criteria.

Any other famous I2-M26 out there? Anybody?

Kardu
05-08-14, 12:22
Presentation of Armenian historian Hovann Simonian in the Library of Congress where he claims that Bagratuni/Bagrationi royal family belonged to I2c. (58:00)

http://youtu.be/etBNo0638Pw

sparkey
05-08-14, 19:01
Presentation of Armenian historian Hovann Simonian in the Library of Congress where he claims that Bagratuni/Bagrationi royal family belonged to I2c. (58:00)

http://youtu.be/etBNo0638Pw

Interesting, especially considering how long ago the Bagratuni dynasty was, about 1000 years ago. I'll watch the video later to see how Simonian comes to that conclusion.

sparkey
06-08-14, 20:33
OK, I was able to watch the Simonian presentation, and found it convincing in one aspect: That I should promote the House of Hasan-Jalalyan from the maybes to the confirmed. I went ahead and did that.

I think I'll wait to add the Bagratid dynasties, though, considering how far-reaching Simonian's hypothesis is. From what I understand, he's basically arguing that most of I2c-B is Bagratid, based on some hypotheses about the different branches of nobility who carry I2c-B. That requires a more convincing analysis of the phylogeny than he was able to accomplish in a talk, IMHO. So I'll wait for the paper.

Kardu
06-08-14, 21:39
OK, I was able to watch the Simonian presentation, and found it convincing in one aspect: That I should promote the House of Hasan-Jalalyan from the maybes to the confirmed. I went ahead and did that.

I think I'll wait to add the Bagratid dynasties, though, considering how far-reaching Simonian's hypothesis is. From what I understand, he's basically arguing that most of I2c-B is Bagratid, based on some hypotheses about the different branches of nobility who carry I2c-B. That requires a more convincing analysis of the phylogeny than he was able to accomplish in a talk, IMHO. So I'll wait for the paper.

I fully agree with you.
More fine-tuning SNP tests need to be done for I2c-B from the Caucasus. And paleo-DNA analysis of Armenian Bagratuni and Georgian Bagrationis prior 12th century.
Fortunately there are lot of confirmed graves of both dynasties, we just need to wait for financing and good will of the authorities.

Kurgan
28-08-14, 15:05
My father and grandfather resemble Miklós Horthy and Martin Luther (eyes, mouth). Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing :)

sparkey
02-09-14, 18:36
Worth noting: One guy I know of as I2c*-A, but who isn't (yet) famous by my standards, is American football placekicker Cody Parkey (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/parkey_cody00.html). He has been in the news (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=322590002) lately, though, so maybe he'll be noteworthy enough soon.

Minor update: added this guy now that he is playing professionally and has a Wikipedia page.

sparkey
24-10-14, 22:30
Update: Added Enda Kenny. We've known since last year that he is haplogroup I, and apparently Spencer Wells has announced that he is in fact I2-M223>CTS616. That's not precise enough to put into my subclade tree, unfortunately, because CTS616+ is the vast majority of modern I2-M223.

federicoiz
05-01-15, 23:35
What about the Kulinic noble family and the Kotromanic? Maybe haplogroup i2?

sparkey
05-01-15, 23:48
What about the Kulinic noble family and the Kotromanic? Maybe haplogroup i2?

Who knows? I would, of course, be interested in any related test results for these families or anybody else famous who has come up as I2.

danodelion
12-03-15, 21:23
Greetings, all. I have Ydna I21/I2a2a. Genealogy indicates common paternal heritage with Niklaus Leuenberger, Swiss national hero of the 1653 Peasant War is probable I2b1/I2a2a. Zimmermans and Millers from N. Switzerland also have been documented as being of this haplogroup; famous folk-rocker Bob Dylan is a Zimmerman. I can think of at least one famous Miller.

sparkey
13-03-15, 21:33
Greetings, all. I have Ydna I21/I2a2a. Genealogy indicates common paternal heritage with Niklaus Leuenberger, Swiss national hero of the 1653 Peasant War is probable I2b1/I2a2a. Zimmermans and Millers from N. Switzerland also have been documented as being of this haplogroup; famous folk-rocker Bob Dylan is a Zimmerman. I can think of at least one famous Miller.

Thanks, these sound promising. Do you have a link to anything concrete, like the particular Y-DNA samples on ySearch or in FTDNA projects, or to related genealogies? I'd like to be able to at least have something to link to, and perhaps get a more precise subclade, before I add anything to my list.

As for Bob Dylan: Isn't his Zimmerman line Jewish? Are you sure it connects to the Swiss Zimmerman lines?

sparkey
01-04-15, 02:09
Update: Added Ethan Allen! Any Vermonters on the forum?

sparkey
09-06-15, 00:09
Minor update: Added some guys named Terry. They're the first notable I2a-Western carriers I've found.

sparkey
30-03-16, 20:03
Update: More I2a-Western guys. This time it's the current Governor of Wyoming, Matt Mead, and a Mead relative of his who was Governor of Vermont. I was hoping that George Meade would also be a relative, because this I2a-Western Mead family dominates the Mead/Meade DNA Project, but he seems to be from a different family.

Maciamo
06-11-16, 19:01
As I mentioned a few days ago, Elvis Presley most probably belonged to haplogroup I2c1.

I just found out that the author Stephen King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King) belongs to haplogroup I2a2a (see this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33062-Author-Stepehn-King-belongs-to-Y-haplogroup-I2a2a)).

sparkey
07-11-16, 18:38
As I mentioned a few days ago, Elvis Presley most probably belonged to haplogroup I2c1.

I just found out that the author Stephen King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King) belongs to haplogroup I2a2a (see this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33062-Author-Stepehn-King-belongs-to-Y-haplogroup-I2a2a)).

Great! Stephen King seems clear. I'll have several interesting names in my next update of this thread, it seems.

I've tried contacting the author who published that Elvis was Haplogroup I, but haven't gotten a response back yet. I'm hoping he can confirm that Elvis was I2c in particular, because there are several Wallaces who have tested as I1 too. Maciamo, have you been able to rule out that Elvis instead belonged to an I1 branch?

sparkey
09-11-16, 20:10
Maybe not as famous as the ones Maciamo has been finding, but it seems that Rollo Gillespie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo_Gillespie) was I2-M223 according to this post on RootsWeb (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I/2016-11/1478588076). I've got some work to do for the next update.

IronSide
19-11-16, 17:41
This could be an interesting possibility, it can't be considered as direct evidence, but more like circumstantial, going like a mathematical proof.

Mamsurov in the I2c project belongs to an ossetian clan called Tagaour, they claim descent from an Armenian prince who took refuge among the Alans in the middle ages because his uncle took his inheritance rights, my source for this is Hovann Simonian speech in the library of congress.

no one took the Tagaours seriously before they tested Y-dna and turned out to be I2c2, which is prevalent among Georgian and Armenian noble families.

Tagaour matches the Armenian word for king : Tagavor. Armenian old nobility were organized in a social pyramid:
- Tagavor (king)
- Bdeshkh (viceroy)
- Ishkhanats ishkhan (grand duke)
- Ishkhan (prince)
this suggests that they descended from one of the several Armenian families that took the title of king or Tagavor in the nation's history

Orontid Dynasty 570 BC - 200 BC
Artaxiad Dynasty 190 BC - 12 AD
Arsacid Dynasty 52 AD - 428 AD
Bagratuni Dynasty 880 AD - 1045 AD
Artsruni Dynasty 908 AD - 1021 AD (claim only)

after these dates Armenia wasn't ruled by a native Armenian king but rather Georgian or Persian or Mongol. who did not call himself Tagavor.
according to the story their ancestor took refuge with Alans, but the Alans did not exist north of the Caucasus mountains before the 1st century AD, so we can safely dismiss any dynasty before this time : Orontid and Artaxiad.

The Arsacids were of Parthian origin and established three kingdoms in the Caucasus : Armenia,Iberia, and Albania.
only the last king of Arsacid Iberia took refuge with alans, but he wasn't Armenian,didn't call himself Tagavor, no uncle took his rights, and was Parthian, if they were I2c we would have found some amount in central Iran or Afghanistan.

The last two possibilities are the Bagratuni and Artsruni. Hovann Simonian says they are the Bagratunis, Ashot the blind (726 - 748)AD supposedly took the principality from his nephews, a possibility, but they were not kings, they were presiding princes under arab domination and many clans shared the office like the mamikonians.

Bagratids first true king was Ashot the great (885 - 890) who was independent and called himself Shahnshah, searching through his successors we find they all ascended the throne normally from father to son and brother to brother when there are no sons, no incident of uncle taking over nephews rights.

Gagik Artsruni (904 - 943) claimed the title 'King of Armenia' in a power struggle against the Bagratids. the Artsruni ruled over Vaspurakan, Armenia's largest province but claimed Armenia as a whole.

He was succeeded by his son Derinik-Ashot (943 - 959) who died childless --> his brother Abusahl-Hamazasp(959 - 969) --> his son Ashot-Sahak (969 - 991) who had children who could succeed him, but they were bypassed by their uncle Gurgen-Kachik(991 - 1003).

the children of Ashot-Sahak are the only ones who fit the requirements and they must be the Tagauors, this means that members of the house of Artsruni carried I2c2. the Artsruni were themselves a cadet branch of the earlier Orontids who ruled as kings of greater Armenia (570 - 200)BC, kings of Commagene(163BC - 72AD) and kings of Sophene (3rd century - 94)BC the last ruler of Sophene Mithrobarzanes is the first attested member of the house of Artsruni, after they were conquered by Tigranes the great he transfered them to Vaspurakan according to historian Cyril Toumanof.

The Orontids were succeeded by the Artaxiads who were themselves another branch of the Orontids, if that is the case then some famous monarchs of these dynasties can be added to our list of members of haplogroup I2, two stand as most famous :
1- Tigranes the Great
2- Antiochus Theos of Commagene

now that was a lot to take in, without the testing of ancient grave sites no one will believe this. it is nonetheless a deductive argument based on solid historical facts, I ask you to at least consider this within the realm of possible candidates for I2 famous people.

sparkey
11-01-17, 00:43
Update: Added Stephen King, Chuck Norris, and Rollo Gillespie! Also added Elvis Presley to the maybes since I wasn't able to confirm for sure what his Haplogroup I subclade was, but it seems most like to have been I2c1 (whoo hoo!).

BaRollo
04-03-17, 17:50
Three members of my paternal line were tested. 100% I2b1 confirmation. Descend from Thurston Bassett, who was also tested (have never seen proof, named as my 29th great grandfather). 10th great-grandfather arrived in America in 1635 at age 14. He was the son of the man that led the last Bard Conference in Wales. They were the Bards. Family was aligned w/ the Monarchy. Wikipedia says my bloodline is deceased.

Ancestry sites say I'm Rollo's 33rd direct grandson. Won't buy that until the French release Rollo's DNA (supposed to have been done in 2016). Town in France named 'Bassett.' Ba means, 'soul.' So, Night Soul. 'Phi' is associated with the 'I' guys (Phi-Kings, or Phi-si-Goths). The DNA test called me, 'Semitic.' Ancestry sites used to link I2b1 to the Seleucus and the Macedonian generals. Became the Aesir after the fall of the Seleucid State? Joined the Vanir- started the J1C1 bloodline w/ Gerda the Frost Giant Beauty (a 'J1')? A Stewart woman named I2b1 as the 'royal line.' Royal Neanderthal-line is J2b1 (Rothschild, it is said).

Ancestry site says I'm Robert Gifford's 12th cousin, 26 times removed. Family's castle in Wales is now a tourist attraction. We're just regular people - nothing special. In fact, none in the family care to know about this information. Maternal-line is J1C1.

IronSide
05-03-17, 23:04
Three members of my paternal line were tested. 100% I2b1 confirmation. Descend from Thurston Bassett, who was also tested (have never seen proof, named as my 29th great grandfather). 10th great-grandfather arrived in America in 1635 at age 14. He was the son of the man that led the last Bard Conference in Wales. They were the Bards. Family was aligned w/ the Monarchy. Wikipedia says my bloodline is deceased.

Ancestry sites say I'm Rollo's 33rd direct grandson. Won't buy that until the French release Rollo's DNA (supposed to have been done in 2016). Town in France named 'Bassett.' Ba means, 'soul.' So, Night Soul. 'Phi' is associated with the 'I' guys (Phi-Kings, or Phi-si-Goths). The DNA test called me, 'Semitic.' Ancestry sites used to link I2b1 to the Seleucus and the Macedonian generals. Became the Aesir after the fall of the Seleucid State? Joined the Vanir- started the J1C1 bloodline w/ Gerda the Frost Giant Beauty (a 'J1')? A Stewart woman named I2b1 as the 'royal line.' Royal Neanderthal-line is J2b1 (Rothschild, it is said).

Ancestry site says I'm Robert Gifford's 12th cousin, 26 times removed. Family's castle in Wales is now a tourist attraction. We're just regular people - nothing special. In fact, none in the family care to know about this information. Maternal-line is J1C1.

Royal Neanderthal line ???
'Phi' is associated with 'I ' ??? what do you mean by Phi ??? Visigoths ? how,when,why ???
what does Seleucus have to do with Aesir-Vanir ???? :startled:
who is Gerda the frost giant beauty ????
Rothchilds are Neanderthal ????

I commend you for your creative imaginative powers, try writing, Tolkien and George RR Martin won't stand a chance against you. :grin:

BaRollo
06-03-17, 16:29
My IQ is high. INFJ personality, so don't lie, based in truth. Masters of Economics and Strategy from a top 25. Never really used it, found out investment banking was corrupt, just couldn't trade my soul for wealth. I digress, just a regular land worker, now. Please research each item I posted. Phi is huge. Used to build the pyramids, which were built across the world in a a Fibonacci sequence. Try GoldenNumber.Net (Everything posted has been deeply examined elsewhere on the web - just copy/paste to see). Thanks for the thumbs up on the writing style, pretty sure it's phi.

BaRollo
07-03-17, 21:03
Here's a neat thing on 'Phi.' It's said that anything that 'gives radiation' has 'consciousness.' So, all the planets are thinking about stuff. Not exactly 'easy to grasp' at first - keep going.

Search for the website, 'human resonance dot org' and look at what's happening. Then you'll understand Phi, Fibonacci, Resonance and 'frequency.' These are the reasons why one might start hearing things like, 'Electric Universe' or 'String Theory.' If you haven't seen the Double-Slit experiment on YouTube, it's 'Wake-Up 101.'

Also, there are other sources w/equally extravagant ancient burials. Robert Sepehr's books, Species w/ Amnesia, Gods w/ Amnesia.
Also, see the 'Red Lady of Paviland.' Don't forget the Atlaltl, an armor piercing weapon from 40,000+ BC. Also, the Double Eagle Head from Sumeria, S. America, Rome, Russia and elsewhere.

Phi is also associated w/ the 17th letter of Hebrew and 'the divine spark.' Jesus said that Peter held the 'keys to Heaven.' Peter = Phi Tyre, but also 'Pater, Vater,' which = 'Father.' Secret behind the Tyre = Father... Through 'righteousness,' one can 'see through.' Thus, righteousness was the 'High King,' and assigned the number '3,' signifying Truth and Righteousness, both.

Take 3 * 3 and we get '9,' which = 'The Father.' So, 3*3 (way to the Father) is the secret to 'ascension,' or 'getting above the Fray.' (Gives meaning to 'Freyr,' which is really metaphor for 'Fray Ur). People 'personified' the 'energies' back then. Yep, they 'knew how it worked. Today, all we know is their number, '322.' It signifies, 'Order Through Chaos,' a Discordian management style that emulated Economic's 'Law of Diminishing Returns.' At the time of 'Medusa,' the elites knew their 'stuff' wasn't working (maternal order, tried to control chaos). Switched to Zeus and the 'new gods.' Whole idea was based on 'Too Many Cooks in the Kitchen and how to control that.'

NASA and other 'agencies' are saying Saturn's N. Pole is the 'Father.' Mom is Saturn's S. Pole. Primordial Purple Dawn of Creation under Saturn, the 1st Sun. Ecclesiastes 11:7, take a look. Said that Saturn's frequencies stimulate Enceladus (named after the Sumerian, Enki) into forming geysers and 'shooting seeds.' 1st Enceladus seeds on Earth created the Neanderthal hominid. Millions of years ago, imho. More recently, Cro-Magnons arrived via a combination of energies from Sirius, Saturn, Jupiter and the Sun. The Sun literally reflects light from Sirius and Sirius controls Nile flooding. Venus also reflects the Sun's light, so also light from the Pleiades system. Atlanteans would have been Pleiadians and later, Pelgrasians.

Melchizedek was an 'I' guy too. (Zedek means Jupiter). Transferred the priesthood to Abraham (IJ), who was the paternal father of the 'new' groups of Is and Js. Why? Jupiter was hit by a comet at the same time - 'he' was considered 'dead.' Well, that was Jew Vater, King of Righteousness. A 'spear of destiny' pierced him (Science today says Jupiter still gives frequency, so Jupiter lives). New kind of 'hue man' had each others' DNA, Js had some I, Is had some J. Kings were supposed to be I, priest were supposed to be J. Over time, Js took over. Founded Rome and subverted the 'Is' Etrusca. Rome was the East India Company and all the fake royal families that subverted the real royals long ago. Lombards, Venetians, Black Nobility and Romans, all the same sect of extreme Saturn worship. Zoroastrians warned about Saturn worship, whatever - didn't take.

Last thing is the Pineal Gland. If one is practicing "3x3" AND desires belief in God, one's Pineal will eventually vibrate faster, which leads to greater and greater empathy and awareness - and eventually, 'sainthood.' Along the process, the 'divine spark' occurs. For them, it always Rain. Ray In... (the game, Ray Man). It's said that 'Tinnitus' is the 'spirits' trying to make contact. How many know that 'Tinnitus' was discussed among the Babylonians and Assyrians. (People think it's a new ailment). Everyone has it to some degree and for some, the frequency is always there (articles on, 'Is it God?). My coat of arms highlights the 3rd Ray, considered the 'one in the middle,' the 'righteous ray from Saturn.' The P-Ray. Science has distinguished the frequencies emanating from Saturn, the Father and Mother are different and unique from the Sirius Rays. Saturn is the Elohim, El (9) + Ohim (8). 89... 8+9=17=1+7= 8 = Infinity. Numerology, it's a big deal - "numbers have energy." Even made words based on 'energy.' May Flower, whereas 'May' signifies the 'perfect person' and y'all know the 'Flower of Life.' Also, 'May Sun.' They tried to bury it, but the 1st 'Cross Mass' was held on May 3rd... So, 5/3 = 'Perfect Righteous Guy.' As one's going up 'the righteous ladder,' remember to reserve the number '6' for God and skip to the 'spiritual realm,' which starts at 7. Top 'meter' of the pyramid was removed. Hope so, because 'Meter' was once the name for God, perhaps 'reserving the top for him.' Then again, before 'Meter' was God, the Feet and Inches were God. So, there's that... Perhaps a God Change to coincide w/ Egyptus seeing Danaus flee Egypt with all 'his people.' The re-beginning of Arcadia followed, in addition to the re-fortification of Troy (documented all over).

Nobody knows the origin of the Is. In Sanskrit, Maya means, 'End of Illusions.' Happened in 2012 and that's when this information really started flowing. Scientists say the Internet is 'RA.' Who knows. Either way, I don't take this stuff lightly, still very surreal to me too. Everything I write here corresponds to others' information. Just trying to save people time by giving all the main ideas in a 'connected-way.' Can connect everything they've done leading right into the Council on Foreign Relation, the Royal Institute and modern corporations. Veil of Isis = Lies 9 layers deep. It's a 'spiritual construct' to keep you out.

BaRollo
07-03-17, 21:14
Actually, search this instead:

"Orion Infrasound Pyramid at Resonance"

Leads to the best one...

sparkey
07-03-17, 21:23
BaRollo, let's stay on topic here. Specifically, are you saying that you and some other suspected descendants of the noble Basset family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basset_family) (which includes Francis Basset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Basset,_1st_Baron_de_Dunstanville_and_Bass et), among others) tested as I2-M223? Do you have a link to the pedigrees of yourself and those who match you? The Bassett DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/bassett/about/background) looks like a lot to parse, so maybe you can save me some time here. I do see a "Bassett of Wales" I2 branch, but they're I2-L38, a close cousin of I2-M223.

sparkey
07-03-17, 21:56
Nevermind, I just found an article by the Bassett Family Association (http://www.bassettbranches.org/newsletters/2006/20060219/20060219.shtml) that confirms the Baron's family as belonging to that I2-L38 group. Added the Bassets under the noble families.

BaRollo
07-03-17, 22:45
Thanks, Sparkey. Just trying to find our origin, something I can prove.

haithabu
28-03-17, 23:20
Here's an obscurely famous or famously obscure I2:

Col. Michael Christian Garber (1813-1881), a Virginian by birth who became a Free Soil newspaper publisher in Madison, Indiana and an early organizer for the Republican Party in his district. Was known for his strong opposition to Copperhead Democratic Senator Jesse D Bright over the slavery question, in the course of which he was stabbed by one of Bright's supporters. As a vindication, Garber was invited to be present in the Senate Chamber when the vote was taken to expel Bright from the U.S. Senate for his Confederate sympathies.

Served the Union during the Civil War as a quartermaster. Was promoted for "gallantry" (unusual in that position I think :)) at Mill Springs, Kentucky and promoted again after serving under Banks in the Red River campaign to become Quartermaster of the Army of the Tennessee. As a Union quartermaster, the latter post must have been the most demanding of any theater in the war due to the effectiveness of Nathan Bedford Forrest and his cavalry in cutting off supply routes. Garber finished the war as Quartermaster in the field for Sherman's combined army, which he accompanied in its march from Savannah, Georgia to Washington DC.

The STR of Garber's family is a very close match for my own, and since we bear the same surname that would almost certainly make him an I-BY446 (I2C1a2a1a).

Groninger
08-04-17, 21:11
Have you guys considered Bill Gates? His first known paternal ancestor according to geni is Eustace Gates b. 1580 High Easter, Essex, buried 1626 Coney Weston Suffolk. Family Tree DNA mentions as I-M223 Eustace Gates, b. 1566 Coney Weston. Once mentioned on the list as died in 1592. Some differences, but who knows.

sparkey
09-04-17, 01:07
Have you guys considered Bill Gates? His first known paternal ancestor according to geni is Eustace Gates b. 1580 High Easter, Essex, buried 1626 Coney Weston Suffolk. Family Tree DNA mentions as I-M223 Eustace Gates, b. 1566 Coney Weston. Once mentioned on the list as died in 1592. Some differences, but who knows.

It seems to be the same ancestor, with a different birth date estimate. Here is the pedigree for one of the I2-M223 Gates: http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=MGQC9&lastname=&startposn=256

Same immigrant ancestor (Stephen Gates m. Ann Neave or Veare) as Bill Gates. He descends from a different son of that ancestor than Bill Gates, so it's a very distant cousin, but it's a promising lead, I'll try to research it sometime soon.

Maciamo
02-06-17, 11:19
According to the Y-DNA testing of two illegitimate descendants (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hohenzollern-104) of Prince Albert of Prussia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_of_Prussia_(1809%E2%80%931872)) (1809–1872), Geoffrey Rockel and Franz Rockel, the House of Hohenzollern (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Hohenzollern) would belong to haplogroup I2-Y7219 (downstream of L701 and P78). The Hohenzollern originated from Swabia in the 11th century, became Counts of Hohenzollern in 1204, then Margraves of Brandenburg in 1411, Dukes of Prussia from 1525, Kings of Prussia from 1701, and eventually German Emperors from 1871 to 1918 under Wilhelm I and Wilhelm II. The branch of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen also ruled as Kings of Romania from 1881 to 1947.

Maciamo
02-06-17, 15:45
It seems to be the same ancestor, with a different birth date estimate. Here is the pedigree for one of the I2-M223 Gates: http://www.ysearch.org/gedcom_show.asp?uid=&viewuid=MGQC9&lastname=&startposn=256

Same immigrant ancestor (Stephen Gates m. Ann Neave or Veare) as Bill Gates. He descends from a different son of that ancestor than Bill Gates, so it's a very distant cousin, but it's a promising lead, I'll try to research it sometime soon.

Someone send me this family tree on Facebook. Both genealogies from I2a2a individual from ySearch and Geni for Bill Gates end up in same individual, living in same city.

http://i.imgur.com/aBCeTNW.jpg

non-foras-ire
02-06-17, 20:06
I'm the guy who did that Bill Gates graphic, but could not post it here because I have not made 10 posts required to post links in the forum.
The graphic is crude and slightly unclear. It also lists William H. Gates Sr. twice by mistake.

Anyway, if you go to Bill Gates-profile geni.com/people/Bill-Gates/6000000002467188250 and follow the father-lineage all the way until Stephen Gates of Suffolk UK you will find match with the lineage from ySearch profile ID MGQC9. They both have Suffolk UK as place of birth and mother is named Mary, father is named Eustace. The year of births differ though by 14 years. But otherwise it seems like a good match. :)

Armatus
13-07-17, 00:10
I think I found the first I-L160 ones, not terribly famous, but it's something:

http://morrisondna.x10.bz/holmes/HolmesDNAProject.htm
https://holmesgenealogy.wordpress.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holmes_(Messenger_of_the_Plymouth_Court)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Haynes_Holmes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newland_H._Holmes

Groninger
06-10-17, 19:44
Perhaps US President James Monroe. He was a descendant of the Munro of Foulnis in Scotland who are mentioned as I-P37 on the Munro project of Family Tree DNA. Several men who appear to be his ancestors (Andrew Monroe, 1696-1735, George Munro, b. 1285 Foulnis Castle) are mentioned as such as well, although the dates don't match exactly with those on geni.

Groninger
21-10-17, 16:32
Another candidate is George Armstrong Custer (Battle of the Little Bighorn). Several descendants of his ancestor Paulus Kuster (b. 1644) have tested as I2.

Mikedhamilton
17-03-18, 23:51
Alexander Hamilton was probably not a descendant of the Hamiltons. The Hamiltons are probably R1b1a

Mikedhamilton
18-03-18, 00:19
The Hamilton family Y-DNA is probably R1b and not Haplogroup I.

spruithean
18-03-18, 01:17
Alexander Hamilton was probably not a descendant of the Hamiltons. The Hamiltons are probably R1b1a


The Hamilton family Y-DNA is probably R1b and not Haplogroup I.

I'm pretty sure that Alexander Hamilton like the majority of Hamiltons (at least those in the Clan Hamilton DNA Project (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hamilton?iframe=yresults)) belongs to I1, more specifically I-L338 and I-Z63 clades. A number of descendants of Alexander Hamilton have tested and all were in the same subclade of I1.

Groninger
15-11-18, 09:34
Mountain Man Kit Carson may have belonged to I2. Descendants of his grandfather William Carson (b. 1715) and his uncles Uriah Carson and Andrew Carson have been tested as such by Ft DNA.