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joechill01
07-08-12, 19:52
Is the IGENEA dna test reliable? Does it provide useful information as advertised on their website? They claim to pin-point your haplogroup's origins and migration patterns; as well as finding your ancient tribe on their premium offer. Is it too good to be true?

Also I'm a R1b and we all know how mucky and confusing that can be when it comes figuring out you're subclade so I ask to those who know; how deep does IGENEA test go into as far as r1b subclades go?

ebAmerican
07-08-12, 21:23
I've heard bad things about commercial test in general for giving false representation of ones history as fact. I think they generalize for the most part. You are part of the U106 subclad (Germanic branch of R1b , so they will probably trace your supposedly genetic trail parallel with Anglo Saxon migration into England, then onto Texas. They may say you originated with the Hallstatt region of Germany and migrated north to Scandinavia. This all depends on who's study they are currently using as a comparison. Your tribe would be the Angles, Saxons or Frisians.

Kardu
08-08-12, 11:03
As far as I know iGenea is not a reliable company and is notorious for its marketing campaign making unsupported claims (e.g. about Tutankhamen etc.)

FTDNA and 23andme are good choice.

joechill01
08-08-12, 19:20
Thanks for the feedback ebAmerican and Kardu!

I have done 23andme and as I posted on the Y-dna section of the forum (titled: Help in defining my R1b haplogroup), 23andme left me in quite of a tale spin as I found out that they really don't go into great depth in r1b testing. They labeled me as R1b1b2a1a which is very old and quite rare in folks as it is Pre-Celtic-Germanic, so either my family linage is very old or I didn't get my money's worth from 23andme... So would FTDNA help clarify my subclade?

I have checked their website and found their price in my spending range but it doesn't go into detail what they offer (such as maps, etc...). Has anyone done a test with FTDNA before? And if so was it beneficial to you in finding your ancestry?

Kardu
08-08-12, 19:36
On FTDNA you can get the best deep clade analysis and subclade allocation and join appropriate projects for further insights.

joechill01
10-08-12, 02:50
Will the FTDNA test results give me multiple subclades that I fall into or does it give me only one subclade with the strongest mutation?

Kardu
12-08-12, 20:16
There are no multiply subclades. You will get exactly your own.

joechill01
14-08-12, 21:48
Already going to place an order for a Y-dna test from FTDNA and as it turns my last name is already a established project there so I can get a discount if I order the Y-DNA12 test which comes to 99 bucks which is awesome on my wallet. But as I compared it to the other tests they offered, I found that Y-DNA12 is a lower level test with 12-marker match and said it can likely relate past 29 generations.

Compared to their most expensive test, Y-DNA111 which the highest level with 111 marker matches and can relate past 4 generations. Like I mentioned this one isn't cheap and comes with a price of a whopping 339 bucks.

Even though I'm probably going to end-up buying the Y-DNA12, I would like to know what my money is buying as I really don't understand the advertising gibberish.

Kardu
15-08-12, 00:28
Y-DNA 12 tests for the slowest mutation rate markers, that's why match on that level refers to a really old common ancestry.

You might need to get a deep clade test as well, although being R1b you will probably won't need it

joechill01
15-08-12, 01:47
You might need to get a deep clade test as well, although being R1b you will probably won't need it

What would a deep clade test reveal?

Christiaan
15-08-12, 03:40
Is the IGENEA dna test reliable? Does it provide useful information as advertised on their website? They claim to pin-point your haplogroup's origins and migration patterns; as well as finding your ancient tribe on their premium offer. Is it too good to be true?

Also I'm a R1b and we all know how mucky and confusing that can be when it comes figuring out you're subclade so I ask to those who know; how deep does IGENEA test go into as far as r1b subclades go?

Igenea is concentrating on the European market with all its different languages including German, Spanish, French and Italian.
As far as I know it uses the ftdna database, it probably even uses its labs so it is either a franchiser or a daughter company of ftdna.

So if you speak English and pay with paypal or creditcard you are usually better off with ftdna itself because mainly it is much cheaper that way even if you live in Europe .

Kardu
15-08-12, 10:36
What would a deep clade test reveal?

The deep clade test assigns you to the right final subgroup defined at the moment.

Kardu
15-08-12, 10:42
Igenea is concentrating on the European market with all its different languages including German, Spanish, French and Italian.
As far as I know it uses the ftdna database, it probably even uses its labs so it is either a franchiser or a daughter company of ftdna.

So if you speak English and pay with paypal or creditcard you are usually better off with ftdna itself because mainly it is much cheaper that way even if you live in Europe .
iGenea is just a partner of FTDNA, not a subsidiary or franchise. Actually I don't get why FTDNA even deals with such a low credibility company which uses not science but wild fantasies for marketing to attract consumers.

joechill01
15-08-12, 17:06
The deep clade test assigns you to the right final subgroup defined at the moment.

Ok so why wouldn't r1b need one? I mean I'm not complaining cause you're saving me from spending 339 dollars :P

Kardu
15-08-12, 17:27
Ok so why wouldn't r1b need one? I mean I'm not complaining cause you're saving me from spending 339 dollars :P
R1b is one of the most well-researched haplogroups and usually just from your haplotype they can predict your subgroup. Then you could just test for a specific SNP which project administrators would advise. SNP tests cost 29$

joechill01
15-08-12, 19:46
Thanks again Kardu!

Kardu
15-08-12, 20:48
Glad to help :)

Christiaan
16-08-12, 00:28
iGenea is just a partner of FTDNA, not a subsidiary or franchise. Actually I don't get why FTDNA even deals with such a low credibility company which uses not science but wild fantasies for marketing to attract consumers.

Well, whatever it is if you test with Igenea you are actually testing with ftdna labs.

Kardu
16-08-12, 11:15
Maybe, but for some reason FTDNA doesn't tempt potential clients to discover their relationship with Tutankhamen like iGenea does :)

Christiaan
17-08-12, 17:44
Maybe, but for some reason FTDNA doesn't tempt potential clients to discover their relationship with Tutankhamen like iGenea does :)

I agree, everyone knows you have to pay extra for bullshit... and that is Igenea. ;)

bettyinsweden
21-10-14, 12:28
I wish I had found this forum before contacting IGENEA. I wrote them to ask if they could help me find information about my maternal grandfather.
I knew my father's ancstors all bacl to the early 1800s and many back even further. All born i Sweden.
I knew my mother's mother's ancestors evern furthe back I knew that my grandfather as born in Germany in 1868, but did not know where.
I told them that. It was suggested that I order the Family Finder test.
I recieved the following results:
67 % Skandanavian
33 % Western and central Europe

I am in actuallty 50 % Swedish and 50 % German.
When I said the result did not correspond with my research, I was told to contact the people had similar findings.
As I do not have a male relative to trace the Y line, what do I do now after wasting money on this test?

MHSche
11-04-16, 06:47
I have done 23andme and as I posted on the Y-dna section of the forum (titled: Help in defining my R1b haplogroup), 23andme left me in quite of a tale spin as I found out that they really don't go into great depth in r1b testing. They labeled me as R1b1b2a1a which is very old and quite rare in folks as it is Pre-Celtic-Germanic, so either my family linage is very old or I didn't get my money's worth from 23andme... So would FTDNA help clarify my subclade?

We also got tested through 23andme and my brother is also R1b1b2a1a (I am a female so it's a no go for me). Did you get tested at FtDNA and did you find out more through exploration of subclade?

Our father is French-Canadian, if that can be of help.