hi guys
sorry for not writing, was and still am too busy at work. hope you are all well, happy and healthy
taranis
you are unreal. you are so full of yourself i don't believe that you will ever be able to acquire any new knowledge because you filter out everything that doesn't agree with your dogma. so the following is not for you. for the others who like exploring interesting ideas here is something i found recently and which i think is worth exploring further.
http://www.provincuns.com/books/berber-project.pdf
sorry for not writing, was and still am too busy at work. hope you are all well, happy and healthy
taranis
What? Yetos, no offense to you, but I do not understand in the slightest how, after being here for such a relatively long time, and with substantial exposure (both here and likely elsewhere) to information about genetics, about languages and about archaeology, you could believe such completely outlandish ideas that have no footing in reality. Because it stands in complete opposition to the picture that archaeology, genetics, linguistics, and indeed historical sources of Antiquity tell us.
you are unreal. you are so full of yourself i don't believe that you will ever be able to acquire any new knowledge because you filter out everything that doesn't agree with your dogma. so the following is not for you. for the others who like exploring interesting ideas here is something i found recently and which i think is worth exploring further.
...Amalgamation, Mixing, and Intermingling
Indo-Europeans invaded Germany from the southeast around 3000 BC, and here they intermingled with the local Berbers, "producing a number of mixed cultures in the process," as far south as Switzerland (Owen, 31). Owen refers to this as an "amalgamation" of the Berber and Indo-European peoples (Owen, 45). By 1700 BC, a new culture had appeared in Denmark, southern Sweden, and northern Germany, known as the "Northern Bronze Age." German archaeologist Herbert Schutz notes that this Bronze Age culture arose from the "intermingling of groups of people," including the Indo-European migrants from the east, and the "megalith-builders," whose Berber background is well- established (Schutz, 155). Beyond a doubt the Northern Bronze Age was "the ancestral civilization of the Germanic peoples" (Skomal, 218f), so the link between Berbers and Germans has been proven. Or, at the very least, it has been established as a reasonable working hypothesis. It is not some bizarre tangent or Erich von Dänikenesque lunacy. It is a scientific theory with professional support.
Germanic peoples speak Germanic languages, and it has long been recognized that a substantial pre-Indo- European component exists in those languages. Piergiuseppe Scardigli estimates that a full 40% of the basic ancient Germanic vocabulary is not Indo-European, but rather comes from some other source. This includes such basic words as land, rain, path, silver, and word (Scardigli, 103f). Edgar Polomé finds it "obvious" that Germanic retains traces of the language spoken by the pre-Indo-European inhabitants of Denmark and northern Germany (Polomé 1986, 661).
Are there any linguistic links between Berber and German? Berber, like the related Semitic languages, uses vowel mutation to express a change of meaning. Thus amagur (camel) becomes imugar (camels). This same feature is characteristic of Germanic languages as well; thus English man/men, foot/feet, write/wrote, etc. In The Loom of Language, Bodmer observes that Germanic and Semitic share this distinctive feature (Bodmer, 429) which is, needless to say, uncommon in other Indo-European languages. Based on its traces in Germanic, Eric Hamp reconstructs the pre-Indo-European language of northern Europe as one in which there was a four-vowel system with no distinct "o," and which used the same words for deictic and relative pronouns (Markey and Greppin, 296ff). Guess what? Berber has a four-vowel system with no "o" and uses the same words for deictic and relative pronouns.
Many pre-Indo-European root words surviving in Germanic can be traced back to an Afro-Asiatic source (the parent language family of Berber). An excellent example is the word silver, which comes from Berber azerfa. This term was apparently spread throughout Western Europe by the Beaker Folk, who traded in silver (Cardona, 293). Berber words in Germanic include:
EARLY GERMANIC ~ AFRO-ASIATIC (Proto-Berber)
baus (bad, evil, useless; German böse) ~ ba's (calamity, misfortune)
ela (eel) ~ 'il (snake)
gawi (district; German Gau) ~ gawad (land, with epenthesis)
kelikn (loft, upper story) ~ qal'a (fortress, hill, citadel [Skomal, 223ff])
land (land, country) ~ lha'nt (grassland, with collective suffix)
paþa (path) ~ put (to step along)
preu (awl, piercing tool) ~ par (to separate, cut apart, make an opening)
regen (rain; German Regen) ~ rayyn (well-watered, with noun suffix)
sek (to cut, mow; English sickle) ~ tsîk (to pluck up)
silver (silver) ~ azerfa (silver)
summer (summer) ~ asammar (hot weather)
werð (word) ~ werd (to call out)
Germans are not the only West European nation deeply influenced by Berber culture. Celtic is especially rich in Berberisms. Even a common Irish word like aue, "grandson," comes from the Berber aouwi, "son." This is, by the way, the root of the Irish prefix Ó, still found in Irish names like O'Reilly this most common "Irish" word is actually Berber! Irish tribal names like Uí Máine, Uí Faoláin, and Uí Néill, seem to have been patterned after the Berber collective prefix found in Ait Frah, Ait Ouriaghel, and Aït Ndhir (Adams 1975, 240ff). According to world-renowned scholar Julius Pokorny, it is "from every point of view impossible" that the Celts were the earliest inhabitants of Ireland; the Berbers came first (Pokorny, 229). He reminds us that the Megalithic inhabitants of Éire were long- headed Mediterraneans, who "still form the principal element in the population of North Africa." There are many customs in common between Celts and Berbers, Pokorny assures us, including "queer sexual morals" (Pokorny 232f). Welsh scholars have also affirmed "the kinship of the early inhabitants of Britain to the North African white race" (Sergi, 246), while the linguistic evidence of nouns, verbs, infixed pronouns, pre-verbs, consonant quality, and lenition of consonants all proves "close relations between Berber and Insular Celtic" (Pokorny, 236ff). Talossans of Celtic descent can rejoice in their Berber ancestry too.
Especially in their syntax, Celtic, Spanish, Basque, Portuguese, French and English have all been deeply affected by this same "Atlantic" substratum, which Gessman calls "almost certainly Hamitic" (Gessman, 7). And so, although modern Talossans might not knowingly speak a word of Berber (or Talossan), every time we open our mouths to speak, we confess our ancient Berber heritage!
http://www.provincuns.com/books/berber-project.pdf