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brianco
04-10-12, 08:05
I am U152*

A long shot but just ordered L159.2 SNP. It has been found in a guy U152* (negative for other known SNPs).
223929 Colangelo on the U152 project.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...2/default.aspx (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx)

He shows as R1b1a2a1a1b4f but this is not an error, he is U152+!
It is found within L21, but he has this SNP too!

The distribution of L159.2 is unknown as this is the first in U152!

geiserich
06-10-12, 20:41
I`m U152* too (Z36- DYS492=12).

Because I have some off-modal values in common with Colangelo, I wonder if I shall order this SNP.

My home South-West Germany is the probable origin of U152 in Hallstatt period.

brianco
07-10-12, 14:50
Hi geiserich

Very interesting!

I am waiting to see what U152* SNPs if any are tested on the new Genographic chip.
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/about/

I have heard Spencer Wells will release a report this month. I don't know if the tested SNPs will be released though.




I`m U152* too (Z36- DYS492=12).

Because I have some off-modal values in common with Colangelo, I wonder if I shall order this SNP.

My home South-West Germany is the probable origin of U152 in Hallstatt period.

geiserich
14-10-12, 16:10
A member of my cluster Crosier Kit 180858 is negative for SNP 159.2.
Because of this, it is not useful for me to test this SNP.
But for other U152* guys it might be helpful.

brianco
14-10-12, 17:16
But aren't Colangelo and Crosier in the same A1: U152* (L2- Z36- Z56- (dys492=12)) cluster?

It may turn out Colangelo is the only 159.2+ in U152*. In the SNP results most that have tested and are negative are L2+, Or in the case of Couture kit E14175 needs to test for Z36. To rule out his U152*.

U152* and L159.2-
Kit 180858: Crosier
Kit B1388: Kipling

Geiserich are you 'close' to Crosier or Kipling in the results?

Steve Gilbert (U152 admin) said 'The distribution of L159.2 is unknown', so one assumes it occurred any time after the U152 mutation!




A member of my cluster Crosier Kit 180858 is negative for SNP 159.2.
Because of this, it is not useful for me to test this SNP.
But for other U152* guys it might be helpful.

geiserich
14-10-12, 19:21
I`m very close to Crozier and not so close to Kipling, but because Crozier is L159.2-, I suppose I am probably L159.2- too.

brianco
14-10-12, 19:32
OK geiserich

I will let you know when my 159.2 result comes in.

geiserich
14-10-12, 20:32
Hi Brianco,

I hope you will have a match and you will loose your star.

brianco
15-10-12, 18:27
Thanks geiserich, you too!


Hi Brianco,

I hope you will have a match and you will loose your star.

geiserich
08-12-12, 17:08
I`ve seen Colangelo has ordered the new Geno 2.0. Perhaps there are some new SNP`s for U152* guys like me.

Mikewww
11-12-12, 18:31
I am U152*

A long shot but just ordered L159.2 SNP. It has been found in a guy U152* (negative for other known SNPs).
223929 Colangelo on the U152 project.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...2/default.aspx (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx)

He shows as R1b1a2a1a1b4f but this is not an error, he is U152+!
It is found within L21, but he has this SNP too!

The distribution of L159.2 is unknown as this is the first in U152!

The implication is that L159 within U152 is actually L159.3.

filippo colangelo
30-09-13, 16:15
Good morning i've just joint eupedia, i've never tested my haplogroup, but you're talking about a person named colangelo like me, who is he? and where is he from?

brianco
01-10-13, 14:12
Hi Filippo

KIT 223929 ancestor Frank Colangelo, San Fele, Italy.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx?section=yresults

I don't know how to contact him though, sorry :sad-2:


BTW, all my tests (SNPs and Geno) all came in negative. So I remain U152* :smile:

Colangelo was found Negative for 159.2 with Geno so do we question its quality?




Good morning i've just joint eupedia, i've never tested my haplogroup, but you're talking about a person named colangelo like me, who is he? and where is he from?

brianco
01-10-13, 14:17
Colangelo remains U152* after Geno, that is if you discount his L159.2+ at FTDNA!

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx?section=ysnp



I`ve seen Colangelo has ordered the new Geno 2.0. Perhaps there are some new SNP`s for U152* guys like me.

adamo
01-10-13, 14:35
So Colangelo has a most basal form of R1b-U152?

brianco
01-10-13, 15:05
As in no SNPs then yes. BUT he was tested positive for 159.2+ at FTDNA so ? :petrified:

All in the A:a:a group are (L2- Z36- Z56- Z192- Z194-; some are Z192 not tested).

I dont know if Geno tests for Z192, it isn't shown in my Geno results. I think that a few came back Z194+ so are also shown as Z192+ as this is 'upstream'!


So Colangelo has a most basal form of R1b-U152?

Nobody1
01-10-13, 15:35
Isnt L159.2 usually a mutation of R1b-L21 (DF13)?

brianco
01-10-13, 15:51
Here is the Z255+ project with some L159.2+

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-L159.2/default.aspx?section=yresults

Colangelo is still a member with his + result ??

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-L159.2/default.aspx?section=ysnp


Isnt L159.2 usually a mutation of R1b-L21 (DF13)?

filippo colangelo
01-10-13, 18:52
but L159.2 is usually a mutation of R1b-L21, this could imply a north atlantic origin maybe from normandy, whereas U158 is common in italy and suggests a roman/italic origin, so what's the solution? what does this result suggest in your opinion?

filippo colangelo
01-10-13, 18:53
sorry i meant *U152

brianco
01-10-13, 19:14
It is a separate mutation from L21. L21 and U152 common ancestor is up to 8,000 yrs ago

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml#R1b

This L159.2 isolated SNP (only he has it in U152) could have happened anywhere in Europe but only after U152 'himself'. It could have been as recent as only a few generatons. Nobody else to compare with to confirm a time of origin :(


sorry i meant *U152