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Yetos
09-12-12, 11:22
many times I have wrote about the future of EU,

I will repeat my shelve with new data,

http://news247.gr/eidiseis/oikonomia/aporrhth_ekthesh_oi_apokalupseis_gia_petrelaio_kai _fysiko_aerio.2043501.html


the text is in Greek language,
but I can translate the meaning,

1.3 Trillion US dollars is the estimation by 3 Polytechical schools (Universities) of the oil and Gas deposits in Greece,

do you understand the meaning?

Cyprus and Israel have declared their Zones, Greece and Italy also,
waiting for ALbania and Turkey to do so,
yet Italy Greece seems to be 'under crisis' Cyprus is entering crisis, and Israel in wars.

the total amount among these 6 countries + Syria + Egypt + Libya is tremendous,

the cherry upon the pie is Turkey with ANtalya area and Lycaonia, there seems to be the majority and most easy to drill oil,
unoficial is reaching 600 billion oil,
then comes the Cyprus-Israel + turkey+Syria+egypt gas estimated to 1 trillion dollars,
In Greece seems to be gas in Aegean and oil in Ionion Pelagos,
total amount with today prizes 1,3 trillion dollars,
then comes Itally, with about 250 billion oil east of Apulia
and Albania is last with about 150 billion dollars oils in the open sea of south,

the amount is huge, it can even change the worlds map of income, industry, and population,

in less than 6 months will know official by a Nrwegian company the estimation of Ionian sea oil deposits,
so why crisis strikes now?

lets see something that happened in USA,
the big metal industries, the ones that build chicago and N York, were in Ohio,
but all closed and sold to China,
US East has stop to be the big producer of industry, so the demand has turned elsewhere, and big East banks did not manage with bubble value to balance,

in Europe is about to be the same,
Russia and Gazprom is ready to enter Greece, already bought 2 football teams, for those who know about 'money wash'
China many times ask harbors and land for Cosco,
Islamic world is sending all the immigrants to Greece, to pressure,
the cherry pie is the Eu fiscal Union and its demands,
why? cause if Greece and Cyprus keeps its policy, then no fiscal union can be done,
if Greece is driven away from EU, then we might have a puzzle of a chain reaction, in both political and economical. it can develop a non EU industry with Help of US Russia and China, which is a threat to the status of EU of today,

the desicion that are done seems like Greece and Cyprus are about to give their to Germany to keep its place as industrial heart of Europe.
but the price is big for Greece and Cyprus,

the future of these countries seems to follow one of the bellow,
the models of oil production countreis are 4
1 Norway
2 Arabia, a dictaorship of priests
3 Nigeria a country were Islam and Christians have eternal fight
4 Venezuela-Colombia were Drugs Lefts Rights have eternal fight.

the case of Scotland is another case since North sea oil is older, much older than Eu when was still a Union of coal and steel.

I think Eu crisis although started from US and Liehman brothers collapse, seems to be the 'can't profit'
I mean the standards of a EU worker are high comparing with non EU workers,
to solve the problem of profit, we have 2 solutions,
1 is the low cost of Workers, which means that the meassures that are taken to Greece soon will pass all over Europe, including North,
2 is to low the cost of enrgy and more robot-machines to produce than people, that demands more and cheap oil and gas,

yet the awaken of 'south' Euroep is still in new born conditions.
while million of illegal immigrants and memorandums create collapse of insurance deposits, and Dublin II is not helping to get rid,

nordicwarrior
09-12-12, 20:12
Yetos,

1. Greece is of course going to stay in the Euro. The Greeks act as the inlet manifold for the Muslim world. Nobody else in Europe could handle that responsibility as skillfully as the Greek people.
2. From the pictures I see and the stories I hear out of Europe, you guys are actually doing fine. The U.S. however, um...
3. Concerning the talks of Norway and Scotland forming a new energy alliance... Norway you don't need that! The rankings I see here in the U.S. usually have Norway near the top in quality of life, life expentancy, etc. Norway is doing a fantastic job managing it's resources on their own.

Templar
09-12-12, 21:07
I read in many places that the West gradually adopted socialist welfare programs to satisfy workers and to appease them. This way a violent communist revolution could be prevented, the rich would stay rich, and the poor would at least get something out of it. But since communism started falling out of favor (beginning in the 80s and even more so after the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 90s) and globalization integrated the world into one big pool of markets, workers, and investors; the need to satisfy working-class people is no longer necessary to keep profits going. The threat of having a bunch of pissed-off unemployed people isn't as great to the 1% as it was in the past. If the workers in your country demand high wages, you can just move your company to a third-world country and your problem will be solved. So in some ways I agree with Yetos that countries are taking advantage of the crisis by cutting socialist policies and programs.

Yetos
09-12-12, 22:13
Yetos,

1. Greece is of course going to stay in the Euro. The Greeks act as the inlet manifold for the Muslim world. Nobody else in Europe could handle that responsibility as skillfully as the Greek people.
2. From the pictures I see and the stories I hear out of Europe, you guys are actually doing fine. The U.S. however, um...
3. Concerning the talks of Norway and Scotland forming a new energy alliance... Norway you don't need that! The rankings I see here in the U.S. usually have Norway near the top in quality of life, life expentancy, etc. Norway is doing a fantastic job managing it's resources on their own.

hm that means that the future of Greece is Nigeria or Latin America's Venezuela Colombia?

nordicwarrior
09-12-12, 23:16
Templar, you are spot on. The people put up with things...until they stop putting up with things. Elites know this and pay close attention to local "temperatures". In the U.S. we don't have a homogenous population like many European countries. Makes it even more fun if and when a wheel comes off.

And Yetos...Greece isn't going to become a third world country. You guys are the rubber stopper in the European/Middle East giant test tube. Germany, France, and even England won't let a crack form in their stopper...

Yetos
10-12-12, 14:18
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for those who do not understand Greek

http://www.inews.gr/89/mystiki-ekthesi-gia-ton-orykto-plouto-sta-cheria-tou-samara.htm

it seems like there are 2 information (top secret) that were done for Deutsche Bank
with or without the knoewlwdge of Greeks

one by Norwegian PGS company (Petroleum Geo-Services
and one by Program ODP (Ocean Drilling Program)

and with or without the tests done by Turkey,

I don't know from where it escape but the 'estimation wprk' seems so true and correct,
it seems like in ignorance of Greek people Greek goverment gave the work to Deutsch Bank to estimate,
in Novenber before few days (there is the escape) Deutsche Bank responce that is giving about 2 times Greek depth !!!! in order to buy the deposits estimated >4-6times the depth,

so it seems like the crisis is not in South, but elsewhere,
Concerning that MAERSK was about to collapse saved by Greek Ship-owners and many car industries are closing in Europe, seems like the cheap deposits of Cyprus, Greece Italian south, Albania are in the target of Heavy industries or Bankers, yet the violent illegal immigration in land that is in crisis as also Dublin 2 treaty are targeting in a Greek civil war again, today in Greece parties are fighting for the Greek 'nationality' with radical left say must be given in low and soft terms than rest EU (focus in immigrants votes) and nationalist asking to be given in 20 years and if no Judge desicion in the record ( fine, criminality etc) only, which is away from EU laws, (focus on Greek people votes)

yet the estimation of Deutshe Bank which escaped to press is showing that the crisis is mostly pushed,

example is Cyprus,
it is de facto the existance of Gas certified even by USGS, yet Cyprus by an accident (or sabeutage?) is about to enter a Memorandum!!!!!!

sometimes I wonder, is it better to have a Volkswagon or a BMW and not be your shelve? or to have a Russian-chinese even 3rd world car and be your own?

no matter what, seems like, all desicions for Greeks were done with no referendum,
that is a reason that sometime i Feel jealous the Northern countries, like Iceland, cause Democracy there works,

LeBrok
10-12-12, 17:12
This this too ridiculous to let continue. Thread closed.