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firetown
31-10-18, 02:52
Imagine what the most financially successful individuals will look like in 10k years. Then imagine the type of women they pick out of the ones available. Then find a medium. That is homo sapiens in 10,000 years.

LeBrok
31-10-18, 05:19
Thank you for the red mark, you scumbag. I bet you 1k now against it having been you. You may now be protected based on being the a-kisser your are, but mark my words... Here we go, another deplorable coming out of the basket. No, I didn't give you negative reputation, if it is what you are referring to by the red mark. Except now for explicit disrispet.

LeBrok
31-10-18, 05:45
For the most part, I agree. But still: Populations like the Basques have existed as such for 10k years. It will require major political decisions in order to ensure that changes occur on a global scale. And the Basques are not the only example here. No they didn't. 10K years ago ancestors of Basques lived in 3 separate races or subraces of what we call WHG, EHG and Anatolian Farmer, plus a pinch of Iranian Farmer. Check our population genetics threads for details. Today's Basque genome was created either in Bronze or Iron Age. Maximum 5 kya, or perhaps half of this time. That's nothing when we consider Homo Sapiens to be 200-500 years old. The only constant thing for our species is a change, not status quo. Status Quo of human races is just an illusion, because we live so short time, and can't notice changes. If you could live 100 thousand years you would notice how mingles many things are, what we consider dear today. Like our language, religion, countries or some phenotypes. They all pop up for a thousand or two, max 5, years into existence and vanish quickly in nothingness. Replaced by new cultures, languages, countries, races and religions. Replaced by new people who will be sure that their race, langue, country and religion will stay here forever...

firetown
31-10-18, 09:31
From what I have learned on this very forum, it was 7-8k years ago that the Proto Basques arrived in the Pyrenees.

halfalp
31-10-18, 22:14
I think that either if you are ethno-nationalist or multicultural / multiracial. The future isn't really on our individual hands. I also think in term of mathematics and 7 milliards of human can hardly become the same thing in less than milleniums, more than milleniums it's even natural selection who needs to act crazely accurately. You just have to look at neanderthals, a human species that leaved alone ( pretty much ) for hundred of millenias, they had different form of physical characteristics. You can look at black americans, they have a different physic than modern africans for the majority.

Salento
01-11-18, 21:52
I think that either if you are ethno-nationalist or multicultural / multiracial. The future isn't really on our individual hands. I also think in term of mathematics and 7 milliards of human can hardly become the same thing in less than milleniums, more than milleniums it's even natural selection who needs to act crazely accurately. You just have to look at neanderthals, a human species that leaved alone ( pretty much ) for hundred of millenias, they had different form of physical characteristics. You can look at black americans, they have a different physic than modern africans for the majority.

Slave owners forcing selective-breeding aiming at enhancing particular physical traits, the mix with Native Americans and Whites is what differentiates many African-Americans from their Ancestors and Sub-Saharan Africans.
Natural Selection is not responsible for it. imo

halfalp
01-11-18, 22:31
Slave owners forcing selective-breeding aiming at enhancing particular physical traits, the mix with Native Americans and Whites is what differentiates many African-Americans from their Ancestors and Sub-Saharan Africans.
Natural Selection is not responsible for it. imo

Lol, the selective-breeding fact i aint gonna take it, but yes, i know that mixing with europeans or natives is what make black americans different than africans lol. My point is that natural selection with 7 milliard of humans = so many possibilities that the " one race " isn't possible. Or we do what modern marxists want, we kill all white people, then after that mixing gonna be easy! ( it's an ironical statement on a real idea )

Salento
02-11-18, 00:04
Lol, the selective-breeding fact i aint gonna take it, but yes, i know that mixing with europeans or natives is what make black americans different than africans lol. My point is that natural selection with 7 milliard of humans = so many possibilities that the " one race " isn't possible. Or we do what modern marxists want, we kill all white people, then after that mixing gonna be easy! ( it's an ironical statement on a real idea )

Wasn’t meant to be funny.

FYI I don’t want to be killed.
I like me a lot.
Now, that’s funny. lol

firetown
02-11-18, 06:19
What exactly is everyone's exact definition of "white"? Most White Americans have at least some Native American DNA. What percentage European do you have to be to be considered white?


Lol, the selective-breeding fact i aint gonna take it, but yes, i know that mixing with europeans or natives is what make black americans different than africans lol. My point is that natural selection with 7 milliard of humans = so many possibilities that the " one race " isn't possible. Or we do what modern marxists want, we kill all white people, then after that mixing gonna be easy! ( it's an ironical statement on a real idea )

Angela
02-11-18, 17:02
What exactly is everyone's exact definition of "white"? Most White Americans have at least some Native American DNA. What percentage European do you have to be to be considered white?

The vast majority of European Americans have no Native American ancestry, or SSA ancestry for that matter.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/01/27/self1.jpg
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929714004765

A lot of these people actually probably didn't know about this until they took the test. The SSA ancestry, in particular, was often "passed" off as "Indian". A lot of people actually thought they had Native American in them when they actually didn't.

This whole "white" thing is a misnomer. It was originally used by the British colonists to differentiate between themselves and the Indians and Blacks. However, it could be applied strangely. William Penn famously said that the Palatine Germans coming to the U.S. weren't as "white". By that he probably meant more dark haired, eyed people.

Thomas Jefferson, writer of the phrase "All men are created equal", and father of numerous mixed race illegitimate children, wrote in his personal papers that once you were only 1/32 or 1/16, I forget, you were "effectively" white. Maybe that was the ancestral proportion of his own children and why, while not emancipating them, he "let" them run off. Kind of him, right?

Then came Jim Crow, with its "one drop" rule. By those standards, some of the people promoting it would probably have had to have moved to the back of the bus.

Now, I see some African Americans supporting a "one drop" rule of sorts. Even if some one is only 1/4 or 1/8 African, they self-identify as "black", instead of mixed race.

Elizabeth Warren did something similar. She's probably 2% or something Native American, although she didn't reveal the exact percentage, but put "Native American" on her application forms for Penn State and Harvard. Dishonest, imo.

So, it's a phrase which should be retired, imo, as well as the thinking behind it.

firetown
02-11-18, 19:38
The vast majority of European Americans have no Native American ancestry, or SSA ancestry for that matter.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/01/27/self1.jpg

I wasn't setting the scale that high. White Americans (European Americans) on average are: 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. That's what I was referring to with "at least some".

ToBeOrNotToBe
02-11-18, 19:50
The vast majority of European Americans have no Native American ancestry, or SSA ancestry for that matter.
http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/01/27/self1.jpg
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929714004765

A lot of these people actually probably didn't know about this until they took the test. The SSA ancestry, in particular, was often "passed" off as "Indian". A lot of people actually thought they had Native American in them when they actually didn't.

This whole "white" thing is a misnomer. It was originally used by the British colonists to differentiate between themselves and the Indians and Blacks. However, it could be applied strangely. William Penn famously said that the Palatine Germans coming to the U.S. weren't as "white". By that he probably meant more dark haired, eyed people.

Thomas Jefferson, writer of the phrase "All men are created equal", and father of numerous mixed race illegitimate children, wrote in his personal papers that once you were only 1/32 or 1/16, I forget, you were "effectively" white. Maybe that was the ancestral proportion of his own children and why, while not emancipating them, he "let" them run off. Kind of him, right?

Then came Jim Crow, with its "one drop" rule. By those standards, some of the people promoting it would probably have had to have moved to the back of the bus.

Now, I see some African Americans supporting a "one drop" rule of sorts. Even if some one is only 1/4 or 1/8 African, they self-identify as "black", instead of mixed race.

Elizabeth Warren did something similar. She's probably 2% or something Native American, although she didn't reveal the exact percentage, but put "Native American" on her application forms for Penn State and Harvard. Dishonest, imo.

So, it's a phrase which should be retired, imo, as well as the thinking behind it.

Eloquent analysis but this falls into the colour spectrum fallacy. Is the sky blue? Well, it might not be a perfect blue, it might have tints of some other colour. And then I might say how do you define blue? But clearly, the sky is blue.

White should just mean someone with light (inclusive of olive) skin (and basic indisputable Caucasoid features), simple as that. So, even non-tanned Jeff Goldblum should count, if you want to use the term "White" in a non-narrow sense. The narrower the term becomes, the less sense it makes on a practical basis, as it is after all a social construct (even if based on real physical features). It clearly exists, though.

firetown
02-11-18, 19:57
It clearly exists, though.
Other than perception, based on what?

ToBeOrNotToBe
02-11-18, 20:01
Other than perception, based on what?

I refer to my blue argument - it is literally identical. Unless you'd deny the existence of the colour blue.

firetown
02-11-18, 20:06
Right. But how many times have you heard people argue over whether or not someone is white?

I refer to my blue argument - it is literally identical. Unless you'd deny the existence of the colour blue.
There is only one sky, so its color is easily agreed upon. With variations (see Northern Lights).

Angela
02-11-18, 20:23
I wasn't setting the scale that high. White Americans (European Americans) on average are: 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. That's what I was referring to with "at least some".


I know, Firetown, but statistics like that are very misleading. As I said above, the vast majority of European Americans have absolutely no Amerindian.

Angela
02-11-18, 20:49
Eloquent analysis but this falls into the colour spectrum fallacy. Is the sky blue? Well, it might not be a perfect blue, it might have tints of some other colour. And then I might say how do you define blue? But clearly, the sky is blue.

White should just mean someone with light (inclusive of olive) skin (and basic indisputable Caucasoid features), simple as that. So, even non-tanned Jeff Goldblum should count, if you want to use the term "White" in a non-narrow sense. The narrower the term becomes, the less sense it makes on a practical basis, as it is after all a social construct (even if based on real physical features). It clearly exists, though.

Then you wind up with the mess that used to exist in South Africa, where they based it totally on physical appearance, not dna or even genealogy. So, you could wind up with one child classified as "white", with all the privileges that entailed, and another classified as "mixed", and in some cases not allowed to go to the same schools or even live in the same community as siblings and parents.

Sandra Laing and her brother. When he was older he was allowed to go to the "white" school, but she could not. Before you ask, when they finally did a dna test, she is the child of both her "white" parents. Does it happen often? No, it doesn't. However, if there is black ancestry on both sides, in particular, it can happen. Who knows what snps are hiding in anyone's genome?

https://www.gabitos.com/fronteras/images/sandra_laing.jpg

Both "African American slaves who were up for auction"
https://www.backstoryradio.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/2016/01/Color-Lines-Crop.jpg

It happens. It happened to Thomas Jefferson's children, as a matter of fact. Almost all of them could "pass", and did. Two children couldn't, so they remained in the "black" community, although the children of one child married "white", and his descendants also "passed" eventually.

Totally unfair.

So, this method of categorization makes absolutely no sense either. It's not only unfair and illogical, it's completely subjective. At least dna is reasonably quantifiable.

Anita Hemings: one of the "black" descendants of Thomas Jefferson. She was the first "black" graduate of Vassar College. Personally, I think she could have "passed", had she chosen that course.

https://vq.vassar.edu/issues/2011/01/images/hemmings-anita-97.jpg

This famous American intellectual successfully passed for white his whole life. His daughter wrote a book about it. Personally, I would have been skeptical, and indeed there were some rumors about it, but people just chose to ignore it.

http://media.hdp.hbgusa.com/coverimages/9780316008068/

This is his daughter with the family her father left behind.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DsR3hgvtWM8/Thtrf586g8I/AAAAAAAAFkY/IUj9G2ByRAc/s1600/mixed%20broyard.JPG

He could pass, but with the exception of one sister, it seems to me, the rest could not. On such flimsy coincidences the whole trajectory of a life could be changed.

It's like the idiot Nazis using their calipers to determine "race".

100% Ashkenazi Jew:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TgOV8cSzUSU/UwX2euVw1XI/AAAAAAAANBY/eGyJ6rj9w2c/s1600/lauren_bacall_6-otrcat.com.jpg

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/642f57a80a2a61d3019734724cc0774b

LABERIA
02-11-18, 21:12
There are also strange cases like these:

Strange cases of black parents give birth to white children (https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/en/strange-cases-of-black-parents-give-birth-to-white-children/)https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/bố-mẹ-da-đen-sinh-con-da-trắng-4.jpg


https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/b%E1%BB%91-m%E1%BA%B9-da-%C4%91en-sinh-con-da-tr%E1%BA%AFng.jpg

Ben Ihegboro and Angela Ihegboro with their daughter

Black parents give birth to white baby (https://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/)
When Angela Ihegboro first saw her newborn daughter, she was “speechless.”
“She’s a miracle baby,” the 35-year-old mother said yesterday. “But still, what on Earth happened here?”
What happened is that baby Nmachi is a blond, blue-eyed white baby born to two black Nigerian immigrant parents at a London hospital.
“The first thing I said was, ‘What the flip?’ ” said the father, Ben Ihegboro. “We both just sat there after the birth staring at her for ages — not saying anything.”
He quickly sought to dispel any speculation.
“Of course she is mine. My wife is true to me,” the 44-year-old customer service adviser said. “Even if she hadn’t been, the baby still wouldn’t look like that.”
Genetics experts don’t believe in miracles, but they didn’t have any simple answers to the mystery of baby Nmachi. Instead, they offered three theories:


She’s the result of a gene mutation unique to her. If that is the case, Nmachi would pass the gene to her children — and they, too, would likely be white.
She’s the product of long-dormant white genes, passed on to her by her parents, that might have been carried by their predecessors for generations without surfacing until now.
While doctors have said Nmachi is not an outright albino, or lacking in all pigment, they added that the child may have some kind of mutated version of the genetic condition — and that her skin could darken over time.





The black parents shocked when their son was born white with blond hair (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387468/Black-couple-Francis-Arlette-Tshibangu-white-baby-blond-hair.html)https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/16/article-1387468-0C156FBA00000578-128_468x470.jpg
Black and white family: Francis and Arlette with Seth and Daniel

A black couple told yesterday of their shock and mystification when their son was born with white skin and blond hair.
Francis Tshibangu admitted: ‘My first thought was “Wow, is he really mine?”.’
He and his wife Arlette already have a two-year-old boy, Seth, whose features reflect his African parentage.

But it is thought that baby Daniel, now 11 weeks old, has a slight genetic mutation. He is not an albino.
Congo-born Mr Tshibangu, 28, said his ‘jaw dropped open’ when Daniel arrived at Leicester Royal Infirmary.

‘I was too stunned to speak and I could see the doctors looking at each other, thinking the baby couldn’t be mine.
‘Then Arlette and I looked at each other and smiled and I knew he was. I have been with my wife for three years and there was never a question of infidelity, but seeing his white skin was a surprise to say the least.’
Mr Tshibangu, a sociology student, added: ‘The initial reaction from the nurses must have been that Arlette had had an affair. Their faces were a picture, but then I’m sure mine was too.
'When I bent down and kissed him I got a better look at his features and could see he looked just like me and Arlette. He has my nose and my wife’s lips.

‘All we can say is that Daniel is our miracle and, though we are shocked by his white skin, we feel very blessed. He’s beautiful.’
His 25-year-old wife added: ‘The reaction in the operating theatre was one of shocked silence, myself included.
‘I stared at Daniel with my eyes wide. The looks on the faces of the doctors and nurses said it all. Everyone was wondering why I had a white baby.
‘But as the nurse put his little pink body in my arms I bonded with him instantly. When I looked at him all I felt was love.
‘Like any mum who has just given birth, my main concern was that he was healthy, which he is.’
Mr Tshibangu added: ‘I know there will be some who say my wife has had an affair but I trust her completely and know that isn’t the case.
‘Even if she’d had an affair with a white man, you would expect a mixed-race baby with black hair, not a white baby with soft blond hair like little Daniel.’
Mr Tshibangu, who has lived in Britain for ten years, met his future wife on a return visit to the Congo in 2007. They married a year later and settled near Loughborough.
Arlette qualified as a doctor in Africa and, while she is currently working as a part-time shop assistant, she hopes to practise medicine in the UK.
The couple believe Daniel could be a throwback to Arlette’s great-great-great-grandmother, who is also thought to have given birth to a white baby. But Mr Tshibangu said: ‘That was six generations ago and we don’t even know if that was true.’

He added: ‘You can see people looking at us thinking, “What are that black couple doing with that white baby?” I am sure there are a few people who think we have stolen him.
‘But to us, his skin colour isn’t important. The most important thing is that we have a healthy little boy who we love very much.’

Angela
02-11-18, 21:32
^^Those particular children almost look albino, but yes, dark parents can have a light child.

There can be incredible variation in the phenotypes of the children of "black"/white matings:

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/twins1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

These children carry snps for "white" phenotypical traits. If they marry a dark mixed race person, they could get a surprise.
Not such an extreme case, but my husband's mother had almost black hair, deep brown eyes and olive skin. Family lore is that whenever she took my blonde, fair-skinned and blue eyed sister-in-law for walks or to the playground, people constantly asked when she'd adopted her. :) It wasn't totally explained by her father's brown hair and green eyes, either, but there was one blonde, light-eyed grandparent on each side. It happens.

firetown
02-11-18, 21:37
There are also strange cases like these:

Strange cases of black parents give birth to white children (https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/en/strange-cases-of-black-parents-give-birth-to-white-children/)

https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/bố-mẹ-da-đen-sinh-con-da-trắng-4.jpg


https://dailytimesofnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/b%E1%BB%91-m%E1%BA%B9-da-%C4%91en-sinh-con-da-tr%E1%BA%AFng.jpg

Ben Ihegboro and Angela Ihegboro with their daughter

Black parents give birth to white baby (https://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/)





The black parents shocked when their son was born white with blond hair (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1387468/Black-couple-Francis-Arlette-Tshibangu-white-baby-blond-hair.html)

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/16/article-1387468-0C156FBA00000578-128_468x470.jpg
Black and white family: Francis and Arlette with Seth and Daniel
Those are children with albinism. This is completely different.
https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2013-05-08-earthakitt08.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/46/25/0f/46250f135da56becccfc698ffab2f475.jpg
Eartha Kitt and her daughter would be a better example as albinism isn't the cause for showing a different phenotype.

LABERIA
02-11-18, 21:56
Those are children with albinism. This is completely different.



Quoting from the article that i have posted:

While doctors have said Nmachi is not an outright albino, or lacking in all pigment, they added that the child may have some kind of mutated version of the genetic condition — and that her skin could darken over time.

Salento
03-11-18, 06:35
Nicole from the 23andme commercial.
A One World Race candidate (more or less).
Interesting Features.

https://vimeo.com/281699094

firetown
05-11-18, 13:46
Quoting from the article that i have posted:
Interesting. But it would still be the reason for their complexion rather than European genes from distant ancestors phenotyping.

Wanderer
14-11-18, 03:13
I dont care

LABERIA
21-01-19, 07:20
Sure, nobody knows how it will play out. If we can't pull it off using our logic, there is always natural selection to fall back on. ;)
The future that he predicts is even worse than the most bizarre imaginations of the Nazis. It's all in another level.

davef
25-01-19, 07:50
that guy looks like some obscure mutant from x-men
Hey Mr downvoter sorry for my post as i admit it was a little racist towards people who resemble a space alien mixed with an owl. Ill show greater amnesty from here on forth bc owl people are people too.

ZTD
16-06-19, 07:47
i hope Not, having different cultures / languages and ethnic groups is far more interesting and enjoyable to me than if we all look alike and speak the same and have 1 culture

dnsn107
29-07-19, 01:49
I would imagine that ethnic miscegenation has a carrying capacity at some point or other.

Wanderer
14-08-19, 07:00
The world would never become one nation. People will always split because they have different views from geo political, philosphical and religious perspectives.

Its rare that a group of keep the same identity for thousands of years. Because they tend to get absorbed into a new one. And then it changes later.
And they would never be only one race, unless you literally genocided every race except one. I mean like you murdered them. Some people have a weird idea of what genocide is.

Also the idea of race is iffy. Because what if you have one person who is 90 percent black but have european haplogroups instead. And a person who is 90 percent white but have sub saharan haplogroups?

Genetic relatives is more relevant to me than Race stuff. If you were british what the hell does a polish person have in common with you ancestrally vs some jamaican mullatto person? Especially if he was related to you, say the jamaican is a cousin?

Fegalevac
15-08-19, 07:24
Thank you very much for sharing the information.