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nordicwarrior
09-02-13, 05:32
I think Tesla had an I.Q. higher than Albert Einstein actually. Einstein probably had more wrinkles in his brain, but Tesla's frontal lobes were just massive. There's a few one bedroom apartments in New York City that have less square footage than Tesla's skull.

Morgan shut down Tesla's tower because he realized if everyone had access to unlimited power, Morgan would no longer have a way to monetize utilities.

Anyone know the Tesla family's y-haplogroup? I'm guessing he was an I2.

LeBrok
09-02-13, 06:41
Morgan shut down Tesla's tower because he realized if everyone had access to unlimited power, Morgan would no longer have a way to monetize utilities.
These are things that works good in theory. In real life someone would need to produce the power and put it in the air. This costs money. How would you charge your customers though to make business?

Other question is why Soviet Union didn't use it to provide electricity everywhere for masses, or any other socialistic government? I guess it means that it wasn't technically possible. Wouldn't it be the best PR stunt to draw folks to socialism and communism?


Anyone know the Tesla family's y-haplogroup? I'm guessing he was an I2.
Ney, R1b for sure ;)

nordicwarrior
09-02-13, 11:47
These are things that works good in theory. In real life someone would need to produce the power and put it in the air. This costs money. How would you charge your customers though to make business?

Other question is why Soviet Union didn't use it to provide electricity everywhere for masses, or any other socialistic government? I guess it means that it wasn't technically possible. Wouldn't it be the best PR stunt to draw folks to socialism and communism?


Ney, R1b for sure ;)

That's the beauty of Tesla's idea, nobody would have to produce the power because it's already there--circulating around the globe. His view is that the Earth is a giant magnet that is surrounded by vast currents of electro-magnetic energy. Yes, there would be initial costs to build the receiving stations, but no wires would be needed because the jolts would transfer freely through the air.

The Soviet Union has tried to unlock the secrets of Tesla for many years. Some say they dedicate more resources to Tesla technologies than even the U.S., which is amazing considering America grabbed all of Tesla's writings shortly after his death and made them Top Secret. Tesla knew all about the energy release resulting from the splitting of the atom (Einstein's realm), but he considered these methods dangerous and unnecessary.

And the reason I'm guessing hg I2 is that he had the "one track mind" type of personality you see more in hg I. He was obsessed with work and was highly eccentric--traits that I think are going to be linked more and more to Neanderthal brain wiring. It's too bad he didn't have any children, the world could use a few Junior Teslas running around. Please consider this a compliment though Lebrok, I think hg R1b is the most socially adept group of all.

Yetos
09-02-13, 16:31
That's the beauty of Tesla's idea, nobody would have to produce the power because it's already there--circulating around the globe. His view is that the Earth is a giant magnet that is surrounded by vast currents of electro-magnetic energy. Yes, there would be initial costs to build the receiving stations, but no wires would be needed because the jolts would transfer freely through the air.

The Soviet Union has tried to unlock the secrets of Tesla for many years. Some say they dedicate more resources to Tesla technologies than even the U.S., which is amazing considering America grabbed all of Tesla's writings shortly after his death and made them Top Secret. Tesla knew all about the energy release resulting from the splitting of the atom (Einstein's realm), but he considered these methods dangerous and unnecessary.

And the reason I'm guessing hg I2 is that he had the "one track mind" type of personality you see more in hg I. He was obsessed with work and was highly eccentric--traits that I think are going to be linked more and more to Neanderthal brain wiring. It's too bad he didn't have any children, the world could use a few Junior Teslas running around. Please consider this a compliment though Lebrok, I think hg R1b is the most social adept group of all.

ypur aproach as planet= giant magnet, so enegy may run with no cost is still shared among modern scientists, some even claim that existed in ancient world.
if I find the video I will post,
Yes Tesla was a Genious so he was G2a3* like me :cool-v:

LeBrok
09-02-13, 19:47
That's the beauty of Tesla's idea, nobody would have to produce the power because it's already there--circulating around the globe. His view is that the Earth is a giant magnet that is surrounded by vast currents of electro-magnetic energy. Yes, there would be initial costs to build the receiving stations, but no wires would be needed because the jolts would transfer freely through the air.

The Soviet Union has tried to unlock the secrets of Tesla for many years. Some say they dedicate more resources to Tesla technologies than even the U.S., which is amazing considering America grabbed all of Tesla's writings shortly after his death and made them Top Secret. Tesla knew all about the energy release resulting from the splitting of the atom (Einstein's realm), but he considered these methods dangerous and unnecessary.

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I think there are two different techniques and concepts we are talking about.
The one I'm talking about was demonstrating to work. Tesla had sent high voltage and frequency electricity through air to receiver This energy required production however, therefore not free.

Other concept of his was collecting free energy from the air or either. This remained mostly in theoretical sphere. At least how to use it on working scale.
Today we know that biggest electromagnetic energy in our air is from the sun. We capture it with solar panels and wind mills. With today's technology it is still more expensive than buying electricity from grid, from fossil fuel burning.

Earths magnetic field is too weak to make use out of it, other than to move small compass needle.

Yetos
09-02-13, 20:01
I think there are two different techniques and concepts we are talking about.
The one I'm talking about was demonstrating to work. Tesla had sent high voltage and frequency electricity through air to receiver This energy required production however, therefore not free.

Other concept of his was collecting free energy from the air or either. This remained mostly in theoretical sphere. At least how to use it on working scale.
Today we know that biggest electromagnetic energy in our air is from the sun. We capture it with solar panels and wind mills. With today's technology it is still more expensive than buying electricity from grid, from fossil fuel burning.

Earths magnetic field is too weak to make use out of it, other than to move small compass needle.

Indeed so weak that can hold on air (anti-gravity) an electric current,

If I remember correct there was an expirement with Bohr and Eistein, putting magnets on sea, does anybody remember it?

Finalise
09-02-13, 20:08
And the reason I'm guessing hg I2 is that he had the "one track mind" type of personality you see more in hg I. He was obsessed with work and was highly eccentric--traits that I think are going to be linked more and more to Neanderthal brain wiring. It's too bad he didn't have any children, the world could use a few Junior Teslas running around. Please consider this a compliment though Lebrok, I think hg R1b is the most social adept group of all.

For the sake of humanity I hope you're trollling.

LeBrok
09-02-13, 20:21
Indeed so weak that can hold on air (anti-gravity) an electric current, Same way you can say that plains, balloons and rockets are build on anti-gravity, they surely stay in the air or even in space.


If I remember correct there was an expirement with Bohr and Eistein, putting magnets on sea, does anybody remember it?
Yetos, Tesla's theories and patents are available online and are free. Some people claim that you can build Tesla generator using parts from any electric store. It looks like it is a very simple machine. You are an engineer, so why don't you build it and tell us how it works or whether it works at all. Build it and free Greeks from paying for electricity.

If you can't find it free. Spend 40 bucks and buy it here. It would be your best investment ever. Just 40 dollars:
http://www.nikolateslasecret.com/?hop=quick1986

nordicwarrior
10-02-13, 03:54
For the sake of humanity I hope you're trollling.

Why would you say that? I'm not ******** at all. Y-DNA is a small fraction of what makes us human, but it's also what makes you a male. Dissing haplogroup correlations will soon equate to ignoring blood type factors. There are differences in the human species, but we should still all treat one another with respect.

For example, we have universal blood donors and universal blood receivers--this is a clear difference in the species. Is one "better" than the other? I don't think so, I think they are just different.

nordicwarrior
10-02-13, 04:08
Lebrok, yes the sun is certainly the source of the vast majority of the energy in our solar system... but our Earth's magnetic field (resulting from the planet's molten inner core interacting with the solar wind) produces enough energy to power all of mankind's needs according to Tesla.

I'm a Tesla fanatic, I think his brain was the most advanced ever produced by our species. If he says it's possible, I don't doubt him. The problem he encountered with Wardenclyffe in Long Island and also in Colorado Springs wasn't tower height like most people think, but with tower "footprint". He had to place massive metallic structures deep in the ground to achieve ground (actually planetary) resonance. This is no small feat.

nordicwarrior
10-02-13, 04:14
It's all about harmonics and resonance-- I'm beginning to sound like a crackpot, but it's true. Tesla used harmonics and resonance to make an "earthquake machine" he was forced to destroy after a short time in operation because he almost brought down the building it was attached to... no joke.

A more enjoyable way to enjoy harmonics is to listen my favorite composer Bach-- he was another genius that understood the beauty and the power of harmonics. :)

Finalise
10-02-13, 04:15
Why would you say that? I'm not ******** at all. Y-DNA is a small fraction of what makes us human, but it's also what makes you a male. Dissing haplogroup correlations will soon equate to ignoring blood type factors. There are differences in the human species, but we should still all treat one another with respect.

For example, we have universal blood donors and universal blood receivers--this is a clear difference in the species. Is one "better" than the other? I don't think so, I think they are just different.


Are you completely insane? If you think Tesla's brain is the most advanced, then yours is probably the least. Go back to the comment I referred to, read over it, more than once, and think about what a Y-chromosome is and about what you just said.

nordicwarrior
10-02-13, 06:42
Finalise, I'm going to bow out of a conversation (or arguement) with you... you're comments other threads indicate you tend to generate more heat than light... which is fine sometimes but I like to pick my battles.

Also Yetos that's great to hear your a G2. I had you pegged as a I2 this whole time! At least I was kinda close.

Finalise
10-02-13, 07:25
**** it, im done with this site tbh. Apart from Taranis, most of you are a bunch of idiots, Im honestly sick and tired of hearing this haplogroup bullshit.

Go talk to a molecular genetics scientist, and tell them your haplogroup theories and Im sure all of you will end up in a mental hospital.

nordicwarrior
11-02-13, 14:42
That comment was funny on a couple different levels Finalise, thank you for the belly laugh!

Balder
26-02-13, 03:17
No free energy is not possible, it violates the laws of thermodynamics. Perpetual motion however is perfectly possible, just extremely hard to master, as all friction must be eliminated. But its use and exploitation only will be possible in a post capitalist society.

LeBrok
26-02-13, 06:36
Perpetual motion however is perfectly possible, just extremely hard to master, as all friction must be eliminated. But its use and exploitation only will be possible in a post capitalist society.
How do you want to exploit perpetual motion machine. Once you apply the load, to use power of it, it will slow down and eventually stop. I'm not sure for what Perpetual Motion machine could be good for, even if we manage to build one?

nordicwarrior
26-02-13, 17:38
Tesla wasn't concerned with perpetual motion or even free energy. The energy Tesla talked about was nearly unlimited (as long as the sun continued to operate anyway). His thought was that our planet behaved like a giant magnet under the influence of the sun, so his method of collection wasn't with solar panels, but with direct electro-magnetic capture (via large towers with enough "oomph" generated from ground resonance to allow an arc with the upper reaches of our atmosphere--where the Northern and Southern lights can be found). I don't think Tesla was motivated by standard capitalistic leanings, but rather the betterment of mankind.

Regarding another one of Tesla's concepts, the earthquake machine, the television show "Mythbusters" did a piece on this invention and found that his small gizmo was indeed capable of making noticeable vibrations on a large bridge. While Adam and Jamie noted the invention had surprising strength, they both concluded that it wasn't capable of bringing down the structure. However, had the device been placed directly on the bridge supports or pier footings, I suspect a much different result would have been observed. Amplified ground resonance is pretty powerful stuff.

Templar
26-02-13, 18:48
And the reason I'm guessing hg I2 is that he had the "one track mind" type of personality you see more in hg I

Well he was an ethnic Serb born in modern-day Croatia, so there is a pretty high likelihood that he indeed was an I2. Just look at the I2 maps.

agitated
21-04-13, 05:51
Indeed so weak that can hold on air (anti-gravity) an electric current,

If I remember correct there was an expirement with Bohr and Eistein, putting magnets on sea, does anybody remember it?

Lets test this out, with Math and science!!! Don't trust my formulas? google them to see the mathematical proofs if you want.
The earth's magnetic field is 25-65 μT (micro Teslas), but for this sake, lets just use the largest value and assume that its 65μT
Energy is energy density is u=B^2/(2μ) where μ=permativity of free space = 4pi*10^-7
so, u=(65*10^-6)^2/(2μ)=0.00168 J/m^3 or 0.000000000467 kWh/m^3
What does this number represent? well all it means is that from the earth's magnetic field, 1m^3 or 100 litres of the Earth's magnetic field has 0.000000000467 kWh
Now I just googled how much energy an average household consumes per year, and the number that I get is around ~4,000 kWh per year in London, and ~7,000 kWh in Calgary.
Lets use London, since it's less.
at 0.000000000467 kWh/m^3 and the average house using 4000 kWh per year, using simple arithmetic, it would take 8.565*10^12 m^3 or 8.565 TRILLION m^3 of space to power ONE house for ONE year. So how much area do we need?
Aerium in Germany is one of the largest buildings in the world, with a volume of 5.2 million m^3
That would mean we need the space of 1.65 million Aeriums to power One house in London for a year.

There are ~5,183,000 in the 2012 census, so how many Aeriums are needed to power London for a Year?
8.54 billion Aeriums or 4.439*10^19 m^3

Now, the volume of the all the Pacific ocean is 6.22*10^17 m^3
That means we would need the volume of 71.4 Pacific Oceans of Earth to power the city of London for one year.


Now I know thats a lot to read, so TLDR, it takes 71.4 Pacific oceans of the Earth's magnetic field to power London for a year, so it is definitely too weak to give free electricity to the world.

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 02:03
Agitated, I see one problem with your calculations right off the bat. You're using numbers found at surface level (25-65 micro Teslas). Nikola knew that his towers had to link to the upper atmosphere where the vast majority of the "juice" exists.

I do like your effort though. What do your numbers show if he was able to capture electric/magnetic energy at the altitudes where we see the Northern and Southern lights?

agitated
22-04-13, 03:57
Ah, right, Then lets go to the ionosphere, where Tesla thought contained net Charge, which we now know that it doesnt.

But cosmic rays aside, then lets calculate the magnetic energy density at the ionosphere!!!

turns out, the farther away you are from the earth, the weaker the magnetic field is, which makes sense, the farther a piece of metal is from a magnet, the weaker the force is. You can test it out with your own fridge magnets.

Now back on track, the Earth's magnetic field at the ionosphere is typically around 25 nT (nano Teslas), thats right, unfortunately, its soo weak that its in the nano range, the 0.000000001, about 100 times weaker than on the surface of the Earth

Now to calculate the energy density of the magnetic field around the ionosphere.
25*10^-9/(2* permeability of free space) = 2.487*10^-10 J/m^3, about 6.76 million times weaker than on the surface of the earth. It is that many times smaller because energy density increases or decreases exponentially. I know thats not what you wanna hear, but unfortunately its the truth :/



sorry for the condescending tone, idk how else to write it out :(

Tesla did have a great mind, and the scientific community DOES acknowledge him A LOT. We have an SI unit named after him, for the magnitudes of magnetic fields. In case you don't know, ahving an SI unit named after you is the greatest honour in the world of science. Its even better than a nobel prize!
Tesla never actually planned on giving the world free power, he had an idea where the government or another philanthropist could possibly give free power to the people via wireless transmissions. however, no one was really willing to pay the electric bill for an entire city, let alone an entire country.

I actually know mroe about Tesla than i do of Edison, despite the contrary. I have 2 physics textbooks and 5 engineering textbooks. all of them mention Tesla, only 1 of the physics ones mention Edison, I really don't understand how the Tesla fad about no one ever acknowledging him came from.

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 04:56
...But cosmic rays aside...

=>Extreme faceplant<= Cosmetic rays are the key to the entire concept.

But hey thanks for giving props to Tesla... I'm glad he shows up in your textbooks.

**EDIT**
I guess that sounded a bit condescending as well. :)

But seriously, Tesla's idea treats the Earth as a giant magnetic interacting with the Sun's energy. His thinking involves concepts like solar wind and current sheets. I don't have a PhD in Electrical Engineering so I can't explain Parker Spirals, Birkeland Currents, and the ballerina skirt shape thing... but I'm going to go out on a limb and state Tesla probably had a better grasp of these factors than you and I put together.

His towers were constructed with the idea of arcing incredibly high in the sky to connect with the aforementioned currents and that's why each tower had such an enormous metallic "root system".

agitated
22-04-13, 05:20
Tesla thought that that Cosmic rays had net charge, we know that's not true now since it would be devastating to our satellites, and a lot more stuff would not make sence in space if it did. We also know our ionosphere much better than Tesla did. A simple college graduate will probably know more than Tesla did.

Now what I mean by difference in knowledge is... well google "Atlas Cern" and that should tell you enough :D

and as for our knowledge of ionospheres, just compare the F22 or F35 to the Wright biplanes. Atlas Cern and F22s sorta put the Tesla coil and the Wright biplane to shame :P

Also, I think its quite absurd if we can find free energy and no one is investing in it. Look at CERN, the European government spent $$$$$$$$$$ on that thing, and for what? the Higgs Boson. What can the Higg's Boson do for us now? absolutely nothing (it will be useful in the future but for now...). So if the governments and private investors were willing to donate $$$ to something thats absolutely useless for us right now, why not invest it into free energy? It just doesn't make sense.

Also, not every rich person is a giant douche, take Gates for example. Bill Gates, who sells software, has nothing to do with the electricity company. He donated $$$$$$$$$$$ to charity, most notably investing on a cheaper vaccines for Africa. Gates is also a futurist, if there was a way to get cheap free energy, I would think that someone would have tried, and someone would have donated to it.

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 05:31
We can't really know all of what Tesla understood because so many of his papers were made Top Secret by the U.S. government (and are Top Secret to this day).

And regarding Atlas Cern... Tesla felt that we didn't need to break the atom, that it was both dangerous and foolish. He saw that we are surrounded by energy and that we only needed to find a way to attach a harness to it. I think Tesla would be greatly disturbed by Cern.

agitated
22-04-13, 05:33
but I'm going to go out on a limb and state Tesla probably had a better grasp of these factors than you and I put together.

Unfortunately, I must disagree. Although Tesla is many times smarter than I am, I can safely say that I know much more about the universe than he did. My evidence is just to compare Atlas Cern to His tower, or the F22, F35 to the wright biplane.

Tesla had many ideas, like microwaving humans so that you only had to heat the people up instead of inefficiently heating up the entire house.

But these were just infeasible. Tesla didn't know a bunch of things that are very clear to us now.

I'll make another example.
calculus used to be taught at a graduate level, considered some advanced stuff. Now, I learnt Calculus in highschool! and I taught myself some of the rudimentary bits before that too!
Physics barely existed outside any university. Now I can go on youtube and learn quantum mechanics! People in Tesla's (including Tesla himself) time didn't even know, or were just at the verge of discovering quantum mechanics, much less the ionosphere.

For now, free energy only exists in solar energy, wind power and hydropower. possible in the future we can get Nuclear Fusion.
"Solar power is the energy of tomorrow, Nuclear fusion is the energy of the future" Michio kaku


I would bet money that if Tesla was alive today, and he was interested in free energy, he'd be working with solar panels, or given that he's such a futurist fanatic, he'd probably work with nuclear Fusion. DEFINATELY Not Cosmic rays or the magnetic field of earth.

agitated
22-04-13, 05:38
We can't really know all of what Tesla understood because so many of his papers were made Top Secret by the U.S. government (and are Top Secret to this day).

Again, I find it would be quite ridiculous but I would admit that I could be wrong. The US can have his inventions as top secret, but the fact is, it really wouldn't matter much.

I bet all of us have flown on a plane before, if cosmic rays did have net charge, or the Earth's magnetic field was strong enough for free energy, flying would be MUCH more dangerous.

As for the rumours of his Death Ray. Yes, everyone tried to make a death ray around ww2, however the US invested in something much more powerful, the atom bomb. The atom bomb could do everything that Tesla's death ray claimed to be able to do, and much more.

Tesla won over Edison for AC power, but Einstein won when it came to deadly weapons with the atom bomb.

You might argue that the atom bomb is radioactive and the death ray probably isn't, but The deathray also uses radiation. It shoots radiation at the enemy, not electricity (cuz thats not how electricity works). So in a way, its the equivalent of a small nuclear weapon.

If I were a weapons investor, I'd put money on a nuke, not a deathray.


Edit:
Sorry, i dont mean to rant on you. There are many reasons to hate the US government right now :P
But I don't think free electricity should be one.
Tesla was a great mind and he was very much acknowledged for it., but this whole Tesla Fad, I feel, is going just a bit too far. (like claiming that Einstein was wrong about everything, and Tesla was right about everything) It jsut sorta discredited the works of other brilliant scientists and Engineers.

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 06:50
Fair enough... let's agree to disagree.

Please allow me to clarify a few points though. I'm not really anti-Edison. My beef with the scientific community concerning Tesla is how Einstein has received almost heroic historical press at the expense of Tesla (who I think was more far more intelligent). The common man doesn't realize the impact that Tesla has had on his everyday life, while he probably looks to Einstein as the most brilliant thinker mankind has ever produced. I think Einstein simply had a better P.R. firm.

And I think Tesla's work in controlled resonance and harmonics is potentially more powerful/mind-bending than even his rumored death ray. If my (grantedly odd) take on the Philadelphia Experiment is accurate, Tesla's methods of modulating basic inherent vibrational energy trump all other known scientific gains during the last 200 years. Of course I think his "earth-quake machine" is viable technology so as you can see I'm a tad wacky.

With Bill Gates... I'm not so sure he would provide the planet with free or greatly reduced energy (J.P. Morgan wasn't crazy about doing so). I think the ultra elites sometimes play by a different playbook than you or I might. Again, I've been known to study a few conspiracy theories here and there-- so take my rantings worth a grain of salt.

P.S. I took calculus in high school too-- and failed! (slept through almost every lesson.) I scored higher than most of my classmates on the math portion of the SAT's though so something must have soaked in, thankfully.

LeBrok
22-04-13, 09:10
Just wait a minute. There is a lot of free energy coming to Earth every day and every second. It is billions and trillions times more powerful than any other energy like cosmic rays or earth's magnetic field. Just go outside and face the sun, go outside and catch the sunlight, or even catch the wind (byproduct of sunlight). It is so easy, and it is freeeeeeeeeeeee.

Well, with all energy sources, even if it comes free from sun or supposed other free sources (eluded by NW), there need to be infrastructure and conduits supplying it where we need it, either to our homes or our cars. And this never is free, because it costs billions to build. Trillions in global scale.
Actually we are lucky that private companies can make profit on it therefore willing to invest and build it for us. If it was unprofitable the government would need to organize it for us. Knowing how government operates, or any other monopoly, the electricity would be very expensive with rampant shortages.

Some time ago I lived in socialistic country of Soviet block. The coal and oil didn't cost anything to the government or even to society (you wouldn't charge yourself for your own resources, would you?). The powerplants and all infrastructure was own by government too. And yet, electricity was very expensive and in short supply. Heck, everything was very expensive, if you were lucky to get it, lol.

Free energy? Be careful what you wish for...

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 15:52
"Be careful what you wish for..." that's what I've been wrestling with concerning the concept of free energy.

I don't know that as a species mankind is ready to handle free energy (or almost free energy anyway). If Tesla was correct and we at some point are able to capture these bountiful sources of circulating energy... I think violence and destruction would be the first thing some groups would reach for. Maybe J.P. Morgan realized this earlier...

Your experience with centralized Socialism illustrates why that system doesn't work. Sadly, the crony capitalism that we now have in the U.S. is showing it's faults also. We now have a hybrid of big business in bed with big government and historically this form of societal construct usually doesn't bode well for most citizens (it's the text book definition of fascism to boot). That's why I keep coming back to the teachings of Ron Paul and limited Federal government and fiercely independent small business. But that's another thread!

LeBrok
22-04-13, 17:22
That's why I keep coming back to the teachings of Ron Paul and limited Federal government and fiercely independent small business. But that's another thread!
Small business doesn't have financial resources, manpower, infrastructure or economy of scale to do big projects, and do them efficiently.

I'm confused, why you're avoiding the most ubiquitous, powerful and free sunlight energy? Instead you go with some mysterious source. To me your appetite for anything secretive and mystical is higher than anything real, proven by science, even as real as free sunlight. Come on, get real dude.

agitated
22-04-13, 17:22
Free energy, yes we are ready for it. In fact LOTS of people are working on free energy right now. Unfortunately, I can't post any links, but free energy is being worked on in many different ways none of them involve cosmic rays. Solar panels have been used for a very long time, but for now, Solar panels can only absorb infrared radiation (very low-energy radiation), people are trying to find new compositions that can absorb the visible spectrum and the UV spectrum (mid-energy radiation). Solar energy will be free energy in the future, or energy that costs cents! remember, its Radiation that we get energy from, not solar rays with net charge (which is what Tesla thought he could use)
Solar energy is actually getting cheaper extremely quickly, being able to absorb more sections of the electromagnetic spectrum
Iceland sorta has it's own free energy. They use geothermal energy, and people sorta just pay for the maintenance of these systems (which is actually quite expensive since these are literal giants being drilled into volcanoes)

as for Earthquake machine, you don't just vibrate stuff without energy. Take your microwave for example, it follows a similar idea. The radiation is tuned to the "resonance" of water, and vibrates water molecules to and gives heat energy to your food. But your microwave needs some energy to generate these waves, likewise, an earthquake machine would also need energy to vibrate the earth. I would show how much energy is needed to actually vibrate 5 trillion billion tons (about a small town i'de say) of earth to just register a 4.0 on the rictor scale... let alone a 5.0 (remember, a 5 is 10x stronger than a 4) but lets just say, we'd need something like several Nukes to supply that power.

Although Tesla was able to vibrate a small section of the Earth, it is far cheaper to just nuke a town than to waste energy vibrating the Earth under it.

And, if such a thing were possible, you could cancel out earthquakes by destructive interference and prevent the deaths of Many people. Any philanthropist would want that! but unfortunately, such a thing of this magnetude does not exist, and I haven't even explained how much energy would be required to power such a machine.
So earthquake machine, possible, and a genious invention
feasible, not really, especially in Tesla's time.
Maybe 1000 years from now, Tesla enthusiasts can make his inventions possible, but for now, we need better and more efficient methods. Maybe we will use Tesla's earthquake machines to terraform planets. Or someone will discover a better way to do it. But for now, Tesla's ideas just won't work.

nordicwarrior
22-04-13, 17:29
Small business doesn't have financial resources, manpower, infrastructure or economy of scale to do big projects, and do them efficiently.

I'm confused, why you're avoiding the most ubiquitous, powerful and free sunlight energy? Instead you go with some mysterious source. To me your appetite for anything secretive and mystical is higher than anything real, proven by science, even as real as free sunlight. Come on, get real dude.

Lighten up Francis. I'm not avoiding anything... this is a thread on Tesla-- where are the solar panels on Wardenclyffe? If solar was effective we would have replaced fossil fuel by now.

LeBrok
22-04-13, 17:32
Lighten up Francis. I'm not avoiding anything... this is a thread on Tesla-- where are the solar panels on Wardenclyffe? If solar was effective we would have replaced fossil fuel by now.
At least it exists, unlike energy of your dreams and visions.

agitated
22-04-13, 17:41
Please allow me to clarify a few points though. I'm not really anti-Edison. My beef with the scientific community concerning Tesla is how Einstein has received almost heroic historical press at the expense of Tesla (who I think was more far more intelligent). The common man doesn't realize the impact that Tesla has had on his everyday life, while he probably looks to Einstein as the most brilliant thinker mankind has ever produced. I think Einstein simply had a better P.R. firm.

Einstein was the genius of the physics realm, Tesla was the genius of the engineering realm (my realm :P). The common man doesn't know Tesla, and I think its sorta our fault for not publicising him as much, but then again, look at any newspaper archive and search up Tesla, I guarantee you that you will find several articles about him throughout the century.

But in the wonderful world of physics and engineering, We don't have a unit called "Einsteins", and we hear "Tesla's" pretty much everyday. Although theres Einsteinium, who the heck ever even uses Einsteinium...

Einstein is more famous today because of relativity. Your internet, phone, computer, sattelites most modern electronics, came from Einstein's theory of relativity and the photoelectric effect. It was the basis of what every macroscopic technology uses today. Even Tesla's inventions had to follow the laws which Einstein discovered. His wireless transmission of electricity came from the photoelectric effect, discovered by Hertz and proven by Einstein.

Resonance and the possibilty of vibrating objects (such as making Earthquakes) was discovered by Hertz, hence we name frequencies in Hertz.

EDIT:
We can't measure who is smarter, Tesla was probably smarter, and he'd probably discover both Relativity, Quantum mechanics and the unfied field theory if he were a physicist, we'll never know. But he was more of an engineer with ideas rather than concepts, and we don't nearly get as much recognition as Scientists :P
No engineer really wins a nobel prize, but Scientists to.

agitated
22-04-13, 17:45
Lighten up Francis. I'm not avoiding anything... this is a thread on Tesla-- where are the solar panels on Wardenclyffe? If solar was effective we would have replaced fossil fuel by now.

Solar is extremely effective. It is to replace fossil fuels in the near future. As I said earlier, its ineffective now because we are only able to absorb the infrared radiation (low-energy) and new compounds are being discovered that can absorb more and more sections of the electromagnetic spectrum, such as visible light and UV rays (mid-energy)

ElHorsto
22-04-13, 17:45
Take your microwave for example, it follows a similar idea. The radiation is tuned to the "resonance" of water, and vibrates water molecules to and gives heat energy to your food. But your microwave needs some energy to generate these waves, likewise, an earthquake machine would also need energy to vibrate the earth. I would show how much energy is needed to actually vibrate 5 trillion billion tons (about a small town i'de say) of earth to just register a 4.0 on the rictor scale... let alone a 5.0 (remember, a 5 is 10x stronger than a 4) but lets just say, we'd need something like several Nukes to supply that power.


I'm rather ignorant in this topic, but I wonder: If the microwave needs an amount of time to accumulate the energy in form of heat in the water until boiling, wouldn't it be the same for an earthquake machine, where just a minor amount of energy is constantly applied to the earth, but it would accumulate over time due to resonance. Wouldn't it be just a matter of time until the critical energy has added-up in the earth? Thanks!

agitated
22-04-13, 17:59
I'm rather ignorant in this topic, but I wonder: If the microwave needs an amount of time to accumulate the energy in form of heat in the water until boiling, wouldn't it be the same for an earthquake machine, where just a minor amount of energy is constantly applied to the earth, but it would accumulate over time due to resonance. Wouldn't it be just a matter of time until the critical energy has added-up in the earth? Thanks!

Well this is true, but think of the microwave again, even though it is being heated up, it still cools down while it is heating up and loses energy, so in a way, heating something slowly is much less efficient.
If you were to constantly add energy to the earth and vibrate it, it will constantly be vibrating, but at a lower efficiency since most if it will be lost over time. It will be like microwaving your food for 10 seconds, taking it out, putting ti back in for 10 seconds... repeat.

you can't store vibrations on Earth because of friction and other physical phenomenons that I can't explain in a single post. Your food in the microwave gets warmer because the gain in heat energy is higher than the loss of heat energy. In the case of Earthquakes, the loss of "vibrations" will be very high considering the size of the Earth.

And I'll make a wierd water bottle analogy ... mind experiment.
try to fill up your water bottle at a small tap, it will take a longer time to fill it.
Now fill it with a garden hose, or a shower, it will fill almost instantly.
Now when it comes to the water company, it doesn't matter if it took you 1 month to fill up the bottle or if it took 1 second to fill it, you still used the same amount of water.


EDIT:
Another reason, Earthquakes don't shake the entire Earth, it just shakes a small portion of the thin outer layer of the Earth. To store vibrations, we'd have to essentially vibrate the entire world. something that even all the nuclear weapons on earth combined can't do.

Sorry, its very hard to explain these concepts

ElHorsto
22-04-13, 18:22
Well this is true, but think of the microwave again, even though it is being heated up, it still cools down while it is heating up and loses energy, so in a way, heating something slowly is much less efficient.
If you were to constantly add energy to the earth and vibrate it, it will constantly be vibrating, but at a lower efficiency since most if it will be lost over time. It will be like microwaving your food for 10 seconds, taking it out, putting ti back in for 10 seconds... repeat.

you can't store vibrations on Earth because of friction and other physical phenomenons that I can't explain in a single post. Your food in the microwave gets warmer because the gain in heat energy is higher than the loss of heat energy. In the case of Earthquakes, the loss of "vibrations" will be very high considering the size of the Earth.


I understand that the amount of "vibrations" alone probably would be devastating and apparent already long before the actual earthquake.
That the energy loss eventually might exceed the energy input is understandable too. I had a bridge in mind where an army of men is stomping over, resonating it until it breaks. Or a singer who crashes a glass just by singing one specific tone. I guess the problem is as you said that the earthis constantly changing its resonance frequency (among other properties) while resonation is increasing due to increasing involvement of other layers and areas of soil, making it impossible to exceed a certain limit.



And I'll make a wierd water bottle analogy ... mind experiment.
try to fill up your water bottle at a small tap, it will take a longer time to fill it.
Now fill it with a garden hose, or a shower, it will fill almost instantly.
Now when it comes to the water company, it doesn't matter if it took you 1 month to fill up the bottle or if it took 1 second to fill it, you still used the same amount of water.


Yes, of course. My point is that for an earthquake machine it is not important to get free energy from somewhere, but to store it in high enough capacity (e.g. mechanical resonance energy). That would mean that the bottle (e.g. earth piece) should be big enough such that it is able to collapse by overload.




EDIT:
Another reason, Earthquakes don't shake the entire Earth, it just shakes a small portion of the thin outer layer of the Earth. To store vibrations, we'd have to essentially vibrate the entire world. something that even all the nuclear weapons on earth combined can't do.

Sorry, its very hard to explain these concepts

I think I got it, thanks.

ebAmerican
22-04-13, 18:22
We need to build a Dyson sphere, and become a Type II Civilization (Kardashev Scale). I do agree with Agitated, if Tesla's inventions worked on an industrial scale it would have been done by now, or it would be vigorously perused. Einstein and Tesla were genius men of their times, but they are nothing more than steps on a ladder of futuristic greatness. Tesla and Einstein contributed pieces to the puzzle that future scientist will use to make Energy Machines, but we got a long ways to go. Free energy is not possible, because of the laws of thermodynamics. Once we create a machine to extract energy from the sun economically, then we will build machines that use the power proportionately, and eventually drain the sun like fossil fuels. we would then need to become a Type III Civilization in order to survive. It is a viscous circle of consumption.

nordicwarrior
23-04-13, 01:41
My understanding of Tesla's earthquake machine is that it doesn't take that much energy to operate. It's more a matter of accurate timing... adding small amounts of additional energy so that each "pulse" piggybacks on the previous one. Also Telsa knew that objects had their own vibrational resonance so I think he worked with what was already there.

His machine that was responsible for causing havoc in that building was shockingly small. But according to those who witnessed the end result it was more than capable of producing intense shaking. They all thought the structure was going to come down.

nordicwarrior
23-04-13, 02:14
Agitated, what's your opinion of cold fusion-- specifically the method using pallidium's sponge like property when paired with hydrogen atoms?

I went full bore rainman on this subject a few years ago and this is what I'd come up with... I think it is feasible. In my opinion the key to succuess is to super-duper saturate the pallidium to the point where atomic collisions and then combos are unavoidable.

There's a video on youtube titled "Superwave Fusion" that uses alot of what I'd come up with. He is using waves of electricity to densely pack and stack the atoms of hydrogen and I think he's on the right track. However, he's missing a key point-- what if we used a couple of Tesla's concepts to further crunch hydrogen atoms into the matrix? What if you were able to vibrate the pallidium at such a frequency so that additional hydrogen atoms would have less of a problem scooting in?

Even better... what if we used a "resonant hammer" to drive the hydrogen atoms forward? This would allow for the intensely crowded conditions needed for fusion. No atoms would be split so Tesla would probably approve. :)

**EDIT**
Lebrok, before you apply the label conspiracy theorist nutjob (again)... you might look into some of the respected teams wading back into the cold fusion waters.

Of course these are heavy waters...

LeBrok
23-04-13, 03:14
Lebrok, before you apply the label conspiracy theorist nutjob (again)... you might look into some of the respected teams wading back into the cold fusion waters.
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What can I say. Things that don't exist excite you the most. Don't blame me, for missing what we already have and working fine.
All we need is to make use of sunlight to fill our energy needs for millions of years. All we have to do is to improve existing technology, that's all. Keep in mind that oil and coal is sun energy stored as fossil fuel, technically we can call them batteries.
Let us know when you make the cold fusion working. It would be awesome. More energy the better for us.

Just don't expect any energy to be supplied to you for free.

In 1900 people paid 2.00 dollars for one kilowatt of electricity, adjusted for inflation. Now cost is around 10 cents. It is almost for free!
That's a hell of a progress, don't you think?

nordicwarrior
23-04-13, 03:31
What can I say. Things that don't exist excite you the most. Don't blame me, for missing what we already have and working fine.
All we need is to make use of sunlight to fill our energy needs for millions of years. All we have to do is to improve existing technology, that's all. Keep in mind that oil and coal is sun energy stored as fossil fuel, technically we can call them batteries.
Let us know when you make the cold fusion working. It would be awesome. More energy the better for us.

Just don't expect any energy to be supplied to you for free.

In 1900 people paid 2.00 dollars for one kilowatt of electricity, adjusted for inflation. Now cost is around 10 cents. It is almost for free!
That's a hell of a progress, don't you think?

You're right. I'm glad the Saudi's aren't sitting on the world's largest oil reserves and that we don't have to kotow to their ridiculous whims to keep the crude flowing.

Here in the U.S., our Gulf Coast residents probably enjoy swimming in black water from time to time. The extra oil enriches the skin, plus I hear the shrimp now have an extra zing.

I recently read in Popular Mechanics that you can now remove the solar cells from a hand held calculator and power a standard V-8 (as long as the sun's out.)

(BTW-- wealthy bankers have the common man's interests at heart and the "royal haplogroup" doesn't exist, it's a figment of our collective imagination.)

You have single-handed solved the world's problems Lebrok. Thank you sir!

P.S. I haven't even mentioned how fast the crops and fruit trees are growing in and around Fukushima. A little extra radiation speeds plant growth, puts hair on the chest, and builds character.

agitated
23-04-13, 04:12
It seems that I have mistaken Tesla's so called "earthquake machine". It doesn't create earthquakes, rather it just shakes buildings over time, sorta like a flute, the wind that goes through and creates resonance, which vibrates and creates a sound. This effect was known for a long time (I remember using this method to measure the speed of sound in a physics course), but wasn't really fully understood on larger objects until around Tesla's time.

The difference is, an Earthquake is like what happened in Haiti. Tesla's machine does something like what happened to the "Tocoma Narrows Bridge" (youtube it, it's quite fun to watch actually :P) It shakes buildings, and since buildings are like a spring and move back and forth, over time it just vibrates faster and faster. It's ineffective as a weapon since everything would osculate radially from the object, making it extremely easy to find (sorta how the FBI tracks down cell phones). you probably knew that and i just derped... but there it is anyways :P

As for cold fusion, I'm a complete noob of quantum mechanics, but Tesla's inventions were more for macroscopic levels (things larger than molecules). Once you get as small as a hydrogen atom, things get a little weird, things I can't explain conceptually :/ I just have no idea. I can state my idea, but then the laws of physics in the microscopic level (quantum mechanics) will pretty much state how it won't work with a million different reasons.

All Nuclear Fusion generally does not require splitting of atoms, and the energy you get from it is completely clean. I think hot fusion as of now has much more potential than cold fusion. But who knows what the next big discovery will be. But again, who knows, maybe your idea works, or someone finds a way similar to it. Science is full of uncertainty.

nordicwarrior
23-04-13, 04:36
Right, there's Tesla's smaller version which was proven highly effective and then there's the rumored HAARP system which may use Tesla's concepts to power actual earthquakes on demand. HAARP's a little to out there even for me. What I've read is unsettling so I avoid the subject.

Tesla did state that if you could find the right resonance, it was conceivable that you could split the earth in half with this technology. I think he was trying to drive home a point though rather than stating realistic science.

**EDIT**
In case there's anyone interested in my cold fusion idea-- here it is:

Press pallidium into thin, stackable wafers and mold in such a way that maximizes surface exposure. I was thinking something resembling an egg carton, but with conical dibits instead of the rounder shapes we see with eggs. Pulse electricity (as mentioned before) and drive those hydrogen atoms into the cone tips so they have no where to go but in the metal.

Sit back and measure heat readings. If successful... please send me a tiny fraction of one percent of your profits.

agitated
23-04-13, 05:02
When scientists and engineers discovers something, they love to state how it can split the earth in to :P

Tesla stated that if you vibrate the earth fast enough it could split in two (well not necessarily, but it's a fun way to say it).

Also, this one is from Einstein, if you were to convert an average North American house into pure energy, it can also split the world in half.

But some food for thought. Theres a slight problem with splitting the Earth in 2 by resonance. Things on earth resonate because of gravity. on a swing, you resonate back and forth because Earth's gravity pulls you back down after you swing upwards. The Tacoma narrow bridge resonated because the wind blew it upwards, and gravity pulled it back downwards.
There isn't really anything for the Earth to resonate upon in the Earth. The Earth won't just Resonate upon itself, so its kind of self contradicting :P
It's possible, but it would require something outside of the Earth to do it. Like the sun.
So you're right, he's driving out a fun point :D

LeBrok
23-04-13, 07:00
Sit back and measure heat readings. If successful... please send me a tiny fraction of one percent of your profits.
You want one percent of free energy, generously given to the world by yourself. How much is this?
Oh, these greedy bankers....

LeBrok
23-04-13, 07:30
It seems that I have mistaken Tesla's so called "earthquake machine". It doesn't create earthquakes, rather it just shakes buildings over time, sorta like a flute, the wind that goes through and creates resonance, which vibrates and creates a sound. This effect was known for a long time (I remember using this method to measure the speed of sound in a physics course), but wasn't really fully understood on larger objects until around Tesla's time..
Now this is much easier to accept. Energy needed to shake the house is not that great, or prohibitive. House structure is generally uniform, usually all concrete or all wood. Also structure itself is very hollow, which helps too. And we are talking about tens of tons of material to shake.
Now to shake billions of tons of ground with layers of different densities would require way too much energy. Most likely all energy mankind produces at the moment. Additional problem would be to concentrate beam of energy tens or hundreds kilometers away, where enemy is, and shake only their ground and not ours, plus hope that lots of them will die from the shakes. The energy requirement, the prohibitive cost, the logistics....ech, forget it, Nuke them.

I'm not saying that Tesla wasn't right. I think he didn't have a good judgment regarding economic viability of his projects, therefore most of them not being successful. Some of them will always remain only in a realm of shows and magic.

nordicwarrior
23-04-13, 07:30
Now you're being difficult... I said "please send me a TINY FRACTION of one percent". And if my system somehow worked and actually generated energy from cold fusion... at least I produced and contributed to the betterment of society. Fat cat bankers have been recently sucking from the teat of humanity receiving bailout after bailout. Not much of a contribution there. Plus my comment was said tongue and cheek anyway. I think you knew that.

Lebrok, you've made it to Canada which is a thriving economy (comparitively anyway) and America's neighbor. It's not quite the land of milk and honey but it's close. You're not in Poland anymore. We in the New West have a responsibility to speak truth to power here. If you see a wrong, speak up. Don't think you will receive advantages by blindly carrying the water for the boys in Davos. They don't care about either one of us. But I bet they respect me more because I stand up when I see blatant corruption.

People think living the American/Western lifestyle is easy and it is for some. But for those of us that really pay attention to what's going on... it's alot of work. Exercise your freedom or you lose your freedom. And fear no man.

That's one to grow on!

P.S. I didn't mean to imply that the U.S. is the land of milk and honey because we're not either. We're on the down side of Empire which ain't a great place to be.

LeBrok
23-04-13, 07:43
Now you're being difficult... I said "please send me a TINY FRACTION of one percent". And if my system somehow worked and actually generated energy from cold fusion... at least I produced and contributed to the betterment of society. Fat cat bankers have been recently sucking from humanity while receiving bailout after bailout. Not much of a contribution there. Plus my comment was said tongue and cheek anyway. I think you knew that.

I did, and conveniently omitted the tiny fraction. ;)


at least I produced and contributed to the betterment of society
My point is that it is not bad already, and we have already bettered our society. 7 cents per kilowatt is also a tiny fraction of what used to be, and if this trend continue, it will be 0.7 cents in 50 years. Even without tesla energy towers, electricity will be the cheapest thing on this planet.

agitated
26-04-13, 06:44
Now to shake billions of tons of ground with layers of different densities would require way too much energy. Most likely all energy mankind produces at the moment. Additional problem would be to concentrate beam of energy tens or hundreds kilometers away, where enemy is, and shake only their ground and not ours, plus hope that lots of them will die from the shakes. The energy requirement, the prohibitive cost, the logistics....ech, forget it, Nuke them.

I'm not saying that Tesla wasn't right. I think he didn't have a good judgment regarding economic viability of his projects, therefore most of them not being successful. Some of them will always remain only in a realm of shows and magic.

lol yup, precisely.
All scientists and engineers typically have an idea on how to do pretty much anything. Most of my classmates can probably design a machine that shakes the Earth, but probably none of them can make one that's economically feasible, or even realistic.


As for fat cat bankers... ugh, I hate em.... but most of my professor's funding comes from them T_T
And when we see them, we'd have to kiss their asses :/ (not to mention that they'd pretty much get half the credit -.-)

nordicwarrior
26-04-13, 11:59
Footnote... most of Teslas inventions were successful.

agitated
29-04-13, 19:05
Footnote... most of Teslas inventions were successful.
well, I never said they didn't work :P

Also, a question out of curiosity:
Why is Tesla in the centre of so many conspiracy theories? What makes Tesla so appealing to conspiritors?

Why not Meitner, Lorentz, Bohr, Rutherford, Heisenburg, Hahn, Ampere, Volta, Gauss, Kirchhoff, Lenz, von Braun, Rudolph, Strughold, Maxwell, Faraday....Hawking.... the list could go on... (bolded ones where I can make up some off the top of my head)

I mean, for example, Wireless electricity through magnetic induction was discovered by Faraday. The equation that tells us how much energy will be transferred is called "Faraday's equation". Yet all credit of wireless electricity goes to Tesla.

A/C circuits was initially done by Pixii, Gibbs, Gualard, Ferranti etc. Decades before Tesla. The first feasible generator was invented by William Stanley. Then rapidly developed by both Tesla and Siemens but ironically, Siemens and Stanley is forgotten for their contributions as well, overshadowed by Tesla.

Tesla would not have known anything about deathrays or resonance if not for Lenz's, Hertz's, Lorentz's work. And the deathray and oscilator used concepts directly from their work too. but all credit goes to Tesla.

And all of the above traces back to Maxwell's, Ampere's, Gauss's, Voltaire's etc. work, where electricity would not have even been known or possible without them.
And all of which traces back to Newton's work, which traces back to Arabic mathematics, and further

It's not that I'm trying to discredit Tesla, I'm just really curious how he's the centre of all these conspiracy theories.
The modern world was shaped and created by all the names above and hundreds more (notice I didn't even mention Einstein). Yet all the credit seems to be placed on Tesla from the conspirator's pov.

Isn't it a bit ironic?
And how useful is 100 year old technology anyway? Look at windows 98 and windows 7... thats the difference between 10 years of technology. Imagine 100.

nordicwarrior
30-04-13, 02:59
Have you used the latest Windows? Yuck. :)

My comment wasn't directed at you actually Agitated. I was responding to comment #49 " ... I think he didn't have a good judgement regarding economic viability of his projects, therefore most of them not being successful ...".

Tesla does seem to attract conspiracy nuts. Not sure why. Maxwell also made into "The Crying of Lot 49" by Pynchon so he's made a splash too. Nothing like Tesla though.

And if we're talking about Tesla standing on the shoulders of giants... look at Einstein and his "borrowings". I could write an entire thread on that subject.

I won't. Don't worry. Ain't nobody got time fo that.

agitated
30-04-13, 04:41
precisely why I said windows 7, and not 8 :P
but I was really leaning more so to the hardware rather than software.

As saying that Einstein is a borrower, I'm assuming you mean that he took ideas from other people. Well he did, no scientist really just pulls everything out of their ***. Don't worry, of course we know all of that.
Like how Einstein took the ideas of Lorentz (again...) and a few others along with a few ideas of his own and made E=mc^2 and won a nobel prize...
(The genius of Einstein was that he looked at physics in a completely different way. Concepts that no one had thought of before. But after he discovered the theory of relativity, his mind did sorta just start to faid away...)

Every scientist, engineer, mathematician etc. stands on the shoulders of giants. All modern works trace back to Einstein, Heizenburg etc. which traces back to Lorentz, Hertz, Maxwell, Volta etc. Who's work in turn traces back to Newton, which traces back to Arabic Mathematics which traces back to Pythagoras, and back to Aristotle and back to Plato........ back to the invention of the wheel?

LeBrok
30-04-13, 06:39
Footnote... most of Teslas inventions were successful. Successful in a sense that they worked, some well some sort of. Successful in terms of vision and engineering talent. He also seemed to be talented showmen/entertainer, but not very good businessman.
I'm not understanding why we have to mix conspiracies into his life?

No conspiracies stopped Einstein and others from developing atom bomb for US to win war with Japan, but somehow it was very important not to develope Tesla's death ray machine. Maybe the goal was not to make USA military even more powerful?

nordicwarrior
30-04-13, 14:22
...but somehow it was very important not to develope Tesla's death ray machine. Maybe the goal was not to make USA military even more powerful?

Very possible. I haven't really devoted much study to the internal workings of the death ray device (not my favorite application of Tesla's concepts), but I don't doubt there is a way to produce this technology. Mankind is assuredly better off without it.

LeBrok
30-04-13, 17:38
Very possible. I haven't really devoted much study to the internal workings of the death ray device (not my favorite application of Tesla's concepts), but I don't doubt there is a way to produce this technology. Mankind is assuredly better off without it.
It was actually a question. Why US military would produce A bomb and not the death ray machine? Or both together to have one more powerful weapon in arsenal.

agitated
01-05-13, 05:35
Very possible. I haven't really devoted much study to the internal workings of the death ray device (not my favorite application of Tesla's concepts), but I don't doubt there is a way to produce this technology. Mankind is assuredly better off without it.


Tesla was NOT the only one to propose a death ray. And even if it was produced, Looking at how it works, it definitely would not be effective. Simply put, shooting electromagnetic waves simply is not effective. Simply put, Tesla's death ray was like trying to kill your enemy with an overpowered flashlight. The Nazi's tried to make one (well they tried to make many things), but even fro them, building an atomic bomb was a much higher priority.

Tesla, during the economic depression, was desperate for investors (like many others). He over-exaggerated the capabilities of his inventions to try and get funding. Unfortunately, him and along with many other scientists and engineers just couldn't get funding. And thus him saying that the world isn't ready for his inventions.
And during world war 2, When Tesla died, the desperate US government broke into his apartment (and I think this triggered the god damn myth). I really don't think they would have found much. To them, they would have probably found out-dated patents and blueprints.

I think Tesla was a futurist, thinking of ideas for the future. His inventions, however, were not OF the future. I mean c'mon, using an overpowered flashlight to destroy planes in the sky? I could calculate the amount of microwaves needed to melt a plane in the sky, but lets not :P .

nordicwarrior
01-05-13, 11:56
I am by no means an expert on this death ray, but I know enough about Tesla's concepts to understand that it would be far more than an overpowered flashlight.

By the way, the Soviets are rumored to have spent more time and energy chasing after Tesla technology than even the Americans. I'm not going to expound on what I think the principles are behind this device because this is an international site and the Chinese could be smart enough to connect any and all dots.

And yes I know, that statement sounds bat shit crazy. :)

agitated
01-05-13, 19:48
no, shooting EMR is basically like a flashlight. I guess a better way to explain it is that it's like an overpowered lazer.

even if anyone chases Tesla's technology. It's 100 year old technology. Utterly useless.

technology now makes use of quantum mechanics and relativity. Tesla did not utilize all the laws of physics yet. Quantum mechanics was barely known in his time, and He even initially neglected the theory of relativity. His inventions are all just outdated (compared to today) analog equipment. Tesla was just missing waayyy too many pieces of the puzzle we now call modern physics.
Tesla was just waayy too limited since at the time he only had access to the most basic theories of electromagnetism.

Any concept of a deathray would have been extremely difficult to master if he did not know quantum mechanics and neglected relativity. It would be like trying to go to space without rocket science (ie like the folk Wan Hu in the 14th century, who strapped himself to a chair full of fireworks and tried to go to space). It just doesn't work.

You're literally implying that this
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is more advanced than this
apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1112/atlas_cern_3008.jpg

And I'd like to disagree with that.

nordicwarrior
02-05-13, 01:45
...technology now makes use of quantum mechanics and relativity. Tesla did not utilize all the laws of physics yet. Quantum mechanics was barely known in his time, and He even initially neglected the theory of relativity. His inventions are all just outdated (compared to today) analog equipment. Tesla was just missing waayyy too many pieces of the puzzle we now call modern physics...

The irony in your arguement is that General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics don't jive with one another. You have to admit, the fact that these two concepts don't flow together isn't exactly a small fly in the ointment... this hints at a glaring weakness in modern physic's abilty to explain the universe (and by proxy a glaring weakness in your Tesla stance.)

Unless somebody came up with the elusive "theory for everything" yesterday and I missed the memo.

agitated
02-05-13, 01:56
General relativity and Quantum mechanics don't link up, but we use both of them in everyday applications.

Take GPS for example.
The satellites are made following our understandings of general relativity, it finds your location based on the time it takes EMR to reach it, and from Relativity, we know that EMR doesn't experience time and that the signal will travel at the speed of light, regardless of where you are, and the EMR remains unchanged.
The clock inside is an atomic clock, which is made from the understandings of quantum mechanics

Also for electronics such as phones and computers that use the internet.
Compare resistors, transistors, inductors capacitors etc. today and 50 years ago. 50 years ago, they were HUGE, now they're the size of a grain. This can't be done without the understandings of quantum mechanics, the science of the very small.
The signals, again, use relativity.

Finding the Higgs Boson, what happens when small particles are smashed together, quantum mechanics
how the data is collected, relativity


We say that they conflict with each other because down to the tiniest levels of the atom, relativity no longer applies, but that doesn't mean that applications in the real life don't use both.



And yeah, it is problematic in the theoretical levels of physics. Hopefully string theory will shed light in the near future :P

oriental
11-05-13, 22:32
Here is some news on Tesla's Lab:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/10/tech/web/tesla-museum-saved/index.html

nordicwarrior
12-05-13, 01:10
Thanks Oriental-- nice link.

I was talking to a retired mechanical/electrical engineer at my jobsite about Tesla... I asked him what he thought of Tesla's idea of accessing energy in the upper atmosphere. He gave me the typical responses, but when he saw that I knew what I was talking about he opened up and stated how much of a genius Tesla really was. He also had a great story about how the founder of a well known world-wide communication company was repeatedly told his ideas would never work... until he showed them how in grand fashion.

Then the retired engineer later returned and gave me all of his old National Geographic magazines-- two big boxes of them!

oriental
17-05-13, 22:52
I am a mechanical engineer so Tesla is really beyond my knowledge. My mechanical view of a earthquake machine would be two vibrators. The intersecting point would be the focal point much like the way our eyes focus on things using parallax. The natural frequency could be calculated using the moment of inertia of the building or house. Earth is a good conductor of sound especially solid ground or rock. Since the earth is a sphere so the focal point would have to be angled to get the distance to the location of the house. Tesla is an extraordinary person and truly a genius. His naivete on human connivance led to his problems.

Tesla discovered microwave, x-ray, wireless communications, (Guglielmo Marconi's radio patent was nullified by the US patent office. Marconi got his patent even though Tesla had patents on wireless communication. It is believed it had to do with J.P. Morgan he had investment in Marconi's company), etc.

Here is a good site for getting the latest gizmos.

http://www.gizmag.com/page/2/

agitated
20-05-13, 19:03
Tesla's naivete did lead to his problems...
He didn't believe the atom could be split or that it could be changed into energy. He didn't believe that electrons existed. This would be considered ludicrous today.

He rejected everything about relativity For example, that space and time can't be curved, but we know now that it does because of GPS satellites. He believed that everything was "ether", an extremely outdated belief that existed since the ancient Greeks.

He was a genius, but also a bit arrogant, making up his own theories and rejecting the works of everyone else's. Thus leading everyone else to think that he's mad or crazy. He was ahead of his time in terms of ideas, but way far back in the sciences, and thus, much of his ideas could never work.


again, not trying to say he was stupid. Even Einstein did something similar in his final years, trying to create a unified field theory. He was missing the weak and strong nuclear forces, which were known at the time. But Einstein blindly and arrogantly rejected it all and stuck to his own theories, neglecting the works of everyone else.

LeBrok
20-05-13, 23:31
Plus to get the product to the market, the idea itself and genius behind it is not enough. Every thing today is a product of collaboration of many scientists, engineers, capital funds (either from banks, investors or big companies), and good marketing. Genius alone is not enough.

If Tesla worked for a big company (with money) and had many engineers helping him, the story of Tesla would have been quite different.

oriental
21-05-13, 22:11
You are mixing scientists and engineers.

Einstein worked in the Swiss patent office and he had approved patents on trains and railways. His wife was also a physicist and a Serbian. He hashed out many of his theories with his wife. Notice his relativity theory uses trains. Maybe his relativity came from the patents on trains. A patent officer has to imagine the workings of a patent to approve or disapprove it. Notice since his divorce and away from the patent office he produced very little. His ideas could have come from engineers' patents.

Tesla was an electrical and mechanical engineer and son of a priest. Though he didn't complete his university education his achievement is all the more astonishing. He had many patents. He was not a scientist. Successful people tend to value their own opinions more as they succeeded. This could lead one to think they are arrogant. He was quite modest and his ideas were maybe dated but he was not a scientist by trade. His discoveries were from his own lab work. Since he didn't complete his university education he was not up-to-date on scientific theories yet his work affect science in no small way.

LeBrok
22-05-13, 04:00
You are mixing scientists and engineers.

.
So, what is your definition of scientist?

Can you be scientist and engineer at the same time?

oriental
22-05-13, 21:17
Yes. Usually a scientist in modern times has a Ph.D. and does research in a university. Yes, Tesla could be a scientist. He is unique. But he is essentially an inventor. He was following Thomas Edison in establishing his own lab. Edison had a lab where he hired many people. It is hard to know for certain which invention he himself did and those his employees did but he owns them.

I should have been more specific about Tesla and Einstein. Einstein was a scientific Physicist while Tesla was an inventor in Electrical and Mechanical engineering.

agitated
24-05-13, 16:50
Einstein's achievements continued even after relativity. I don't think patents could have boosted Einstein's ideas in any way, since his idea of relativity came from his unique perceptions of light. That's my opinion, since patents in Einstein's time were all analog inventions, and it is Very unlikely that Einstein would have worked with any major or important patents, the ones he saw required little to no science.
(for example, Tesla was able to create A/C circuits and X-rays despite disbelieving the existence of electrons as charge carriers, and both have something to do with electrons being the charge carriers)

It's just that he was always insistent that relativity was the answer to life, and that "God does not play dice", which ultimately lead to his downfall.

But still a fair points though. I think Tesla went as far as he could have gone with his limited understanding of the sciences. Anything mroe advanced and he would encounter many problems. For example, I don't believe Tesla would ever be able to make a cellphone since they use satellites and concepts from relativity, which he rejected greatly. As genius as his patents may have been back then, they are pretty much just common sense to today's engineers.

*Note that average IQ in the early 1900s in the USA was less than 75 when compared to today's average. People nowadays are A LOT smarter than Tesla's and Einstein's time.

LeBrok
24-05-13, 21:12
*Note that average IQ in the early 1900s in the USA was less than 75 when compared to today's average. People nowadays are A LOT smarter than Tesla's and Einstein's time.
That's hell of an interesting info. Good nutrients and bombardment of information from youngest age must be the factor in rise of IQ. I hope people, who believe in destructive and polluting effect of technology and progress in general, will take a note.

oriental
24-05-13, 21:32
That's my opinion

That is good.


1902


The patent office job in many ways ideally suited Einstein. The Patent office had specifically needed a physicist who could understand the fundamentals of many new technologies based upon the burgeoning field of electromagnetism and wireless communication. This tied in with Einstein’s interest in Maxwell’s electromagnetism theory and his experience as a youth with his uncle Jakob developing ideas for the family business. The role included deciding whether an invention would actually work merely from drawings and specifications, a mental exercise rather like the thought experiments made famous by Einstein. “It enforced my many-sided thinking and also provided important stimuli to physical thought.”



June – Parent’s engineering company go into liquidation, the family move to Milan while Einstein remains in Munich with distance relatives to finish his schooling.

His father was an engineer.

http://www.einsteinyear.org/facts/timeline/


The year 1905 is sometimes called Einstein's annus mirabilis (miracle year). In that year he published four outstanding scientific papers:



An explanation of the photoelectric effect indicating that light energy came in chunks or quanta. This changed thinking on the nature of light.
A discussion of Brownian motion demonstrating the existence of molecules.
The nature of space and time.
The dynamics of individual moving bodies.



I am not getting into a pi***** contest with you. We disagree and leave it at that. You are just a student anyway and they usually know everything.

oriental
01-06-13, 01:11
Popular Science has an article on Eathquake machine:

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-03/earthquake-machine

nordicwarrior
21-11-13, 11:56
There is an interesting video on energy transference without wire, through air at a distance (channel name is dutchsinse). Also, this evening I also watched recent episode of Nova that covered the electro-magnetic interaction between thunderstorms and the ionsphere. Bursts of energy periodically connect these two layers and scientists have captured the transfers on high speed film. Massive amounts of energy.

toyomotor
23-11-13, 03:19
There is an interesting video on energy transference without wire, through air at a distance (channel name is dutchsinse). Also, this evening I also watched recent episode of Nova that covered the electro-magnetic interaction between thunderstorms and the ionsphere. Bursts of energy periodically connect these two layers and scientists have captured the transfers on high speed film. Massive amounts of energy.

I see where you're going with this, and the eventual outcome could be very interesting.

Garrick
28-11-13, 22:34
Decades ago Nikola Tesla was found ways for free unlimited energy.

http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/nikola-tesla-free-energy/tesla-free-energy/sbwire-181472.htm

I think for mankind better days are coming.

LeBrok
29-11-13, 03:02
Decades ago Nikola Tesla was found ways for free unlimited energy.

http://www.sbwire.com/press-releases/nikola-tesla-free-energy/tesla-free-energy/sbwire-181472.htm

I think for mankind better days are coming.
Could take some time and read post by Agitated. He explains why it is not possible.
As energy might be free, someone has to invest and build the infrastructure to capture it and deliver it to your house. For that reason you will still pay for this "free" energy. If this didn't happen decades ago when electricity was 10 times more expensive than today, surely it means that it is not going to happen today when prices are as low as 10 cents per kilowatt.

Garrick
29-11-13, 20:05
Could take some time and read post by Agitated. He explains why it is not possible.
As energy might be free, someone has to invest and build the infrastructure to capture it and deliver it to your house. For that reason you will still pay for this "free" energy. If this didn't happen decades ago when electricity was 10 times more expensive than today, surely it means that it is not going to happen today when prices are as low as 10 cents per kilowatt.

Of course, I read. I agree with him that a lot of scientists and engineers contributed this matter, not only Tesla. However Tesla exercised experiments and he needed funding. Maybe he could success and we would live in a different world.

Now, for conspiracy theories, hm., it is for discussion. Tesla was engineer and inventor, big inventor. Inventors generally are interesting for conspiracy theorists. Each inventor may be more or less linked with conspiracy, Tesla was not an exception.

This key question is if free energy is possible. Certainly free energy is not total free and infrastructure carrying costs. If such energy would be generated, contributes would exceed the costs. Is traditional sources of energy are better? What is with fusion of which a few decades much more was heard? What is with alternative sources (wind, sun, geothermal, etc...)? What about with old/new promising sources? What about fantastic sources at the frontiers of science and parascience?

Energy will always be interesting theme and a lot of people will try to be include. However in real world people function in relation to the needs. Inventors as was Tesla can have perfect inventions but they will not be apply if no needs and entrepreneurs who see business opportunities. For now traditional sources and alternate sources are enough. If the world experiencing global warming needs will likely reduce. However, if new ice age coming needs will be enormous higher, if some scientists are right about global cooling. Of course, people can have higher expectations and demands. Entrepreneurs can find that inventions such as Tesla's can be profitable, good business opportunity, and chase them. Maybe some people use these inventions for wars. Etc. We don't know, but future is always uncertain and some inventions remain inventions but another become innovations. We will see what energy sources will be current in next decades.

nordicwarrior
29-11-13, 20:50
I haven't paid much attention to the "climate change" folks since they switched over from the more specific "global warming" phrase. "Climate change" is so fuzzy a term that it's almost comical, except the forced taxes and fees associated with carbon capture are no laughing matter.

Of course any thinking person realizes the giant thermo-nuclear ball in the center of our galaxy is what determines weather/climate more than any puny man-made factor.

Garrick
29-11-13, 22:15
I haven't paid much attention to the "climate change" folks since they switched over from the more specific "global warming" phrase. "Climate change" is so fuzzy a term that it's almost comical, except the forced taxes and fees associated with carbon capture are no laughing matter.

Of course any thinking person realizes the giant thermo-nuclear ball in the center of our galaxy is what determines weather/climate more than any puny man-made factor.

You're right. I'm more concerned with the announcement of a new mini ice age from the serious scientists. If ice age coming we will need much more energy and the prices of fuel will jump.

LeBrok
30-11-13, 04:19
This key question is if free energy is possible. Certainly free energy is not total free and infrastructure carrying costs. If such energy would be generated, contributes would exceed the costs.
I don't get that.
In general contributes always exceed the costs in energy production. That's how companies make a profit.


Is traditional sources of energy are better? You mean cheaper? Unlike Tesla's "free energy from atmosphere" traditional sources work and give us electricity.



What is with fusion of which a few decades much more was heard? Do you mean hot or cold fusion?
Hot fusion exists, look at our sun, we just didn't learn how to make a reactor yet.
Cold fusion is a fantasy for now.


What is with alternative sources (wind, sun, geothermal, etc...)? They work fine. They are having hard time to be profitable, because gas or coal gives us even cheaper electricity.


What about with old/new promising sources? What about fantastic sources at the frontiers of science and parascience? I have no idea what are you talking about.


Entrepreneurs can find that inventions such as Tesla's can be profitable, good business opportunity, and chase them. Sure we should explore everything. But let's be realistic. Even if "tesla energy" source is free energy, so is the sun energy, or river energy.
If it happens that you live close to a stream, you can build turbine and enjoy your free energy, as soon as you pay off the investment capital and maintenance charges.
Just go and get a solar panel or few of them and you don't need to pay for electricity, right? Well, as soon as you pay off investment and maintenance cost. Nobody will ever charge you for solar rays. It is a free energy.

Garrick
30-11-13, 11:57
I don't get that.
In general contributes always exceed the costs in energy production. That's how companies make a profit.

You mean cheaper? Unlike Tesla's "free energy from atmosphere" traditional sources work and give us electricity.


Do you mean hot or cold fusion?
Hot fusion exists, look at our sun, we just didn't learn how to make a reactor yet.
Cold fusion is a fantasy for now.

They work fine. They are having hard time to be profitable, because gas or coal gives us even cheaper electricity.

I have no idea what are you talking about.

Sure we should explore everything. But let's be realistic. Even if "tesla energy" source is free energy, so is the sun energy, or river energy.
If it happens that you live close to a stream, you can build turbine and enjoy your free energy, as soon as you pay off the investment capital and maintenance charges.
Just go and get a solar panel or few of them and you don't need to pay for electricity, right? Well, as soon as you pay off investment and maintenance cost. Nobody will ever charge you for solar rays. It is a free energy.

People have needs and expectations. Inventors try to find the new invention in order to complete these needs and expectations, generally human life. But inventions are not innovations. Only entrepreneurs motivated by profits, search for opportunities (individual and environmental factors) to move resources from lower valued to higher valued uses. Inventors can be entrepreneurs too, but often they are different persons.

You're right. Traditional energy sources work fine. Although alternative sources have many agents traditional energetic sources are still dominant. According to some experts the cost-effectiveness of alternative energetic sources is doubtful.

Nuclear fission reactors, although they are constantly improving, have a lot of his opponents. Hot fusion is not solved despite optimism the fifties (previous century). Cold fusion is hypothetical, we will see what will happen in future years.

There are a lot of old/new interesting things in terms of different energy devices. On of them are long lasting super efficient batteries. Inventors are active in finding new ways.

Fantastic source for example is matter-antimatter power. Such a power plant for now is fiction but we cannot know what will be actual in future. New knowledge, new inventions, new implementations.

I think that for mankind come better days because a lot of different energetic alternatives is in play now. Of course these include Tesla's inventions.

People tend not to touch something that is going well. Coal, oil, gas etc. are dominant energy sources today despite many inventions and technology progress. Alternate energy sources have many problems involving additional costs, not to talk about other. When we can expect change. In human society is common when the state changes. For example such a trigger can be shortage of fossil fuels or new ice age. In such situations many entrepreneurs appears who try to use old/new inventions as business chance. Whether these Tesla's inventions experience mass use depends of circumstances (including attractiveness of another inventions) and entrepreneurs who run them.

LeBrok
30-11-13, 18:03
I think that for mankind come better days because a lot of different energetic alternatives is in play now. Of course these include Tesla's inventions.
Great to see you in more optimistic mood. :)


People tend not to touch something that is going well. Coal, oil, gas etc. are dominant energy sources today despite many inventions and technology progress. Alternate energy sources have many problems involving additional costs, not to talk about other. The cost of the main factor. Traditional sources produce electricity at 10 cents per KWh, solar at 50cents.
But in the future it might be the main source of electricity. As long as our sun shines, we should be ok.

Garrick
01-12-13, 11:47
Great to see you in more optimistic mood. :)

Yes, I believe in human mind, inventions, entrepreneurship.

For example, environmentalists are concerned about the planet and rightly so, but some of them have catastrophic scenarios. However, despite all the problems, the catastrophic scenarios are not happening and they will not happen. Why?

Because, researchers, inventors, entrepreneurs etc. change world. There was a lot of innovations in ecology which made that planet is better place than previously thought.

For energy and energy resources only two from us said, through the discussion, a number of options, of course there are still. What from that will be relevant in the future we will see, an it depends of many things.

But I'm sure that mankind will find appropriate (an better) replacement for fossil fuels once begin to run out.

Vedun
04-09-14, 10:11
Tesla was in prison (in his hotel room) for the rest of his life, so I would never call him an "American", because he was not. He died in poverty.

Several of his inventions were stolen from his handbooks; like is the wireless electricity transmission over distance... soon in your favorite markets; wireless cellphone adapter.

Regards to the Free energy...
The best approximation it is the
Quantum vacuum plasma thruster

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187346-nasa-tests-impossible-no-fuel-quantum-space-engine-and-it-actually-works

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

Faster light (Casimir vacuum and quantum tunnelling) acutally has an effect where are the speeds faster than speed of light itself...When vacuum energy is lowered, light itself has been predicted to go faster than the standard value c. This is known as the Scharnorst effect. Such a vacuum can be produced by bringing two perfectly smooth metal plates together at near atomic diameter spacing. It is called a Casimir vacuum. Calculations imply that light will go faster in such a vacuum by a minuscule amount: a photon traveling between two plates that are 1 micrometer apart would increase the photon's speed by only about one part in 103 It might be the new "step further" into the interstellar space travel...

note, that things you are seeing now, were already produced in a lab for decades; Russian and American Military projects include experimental "out of time" projects, which do not necessarily follow the laws of physics... It is important they make it, the rest is part of conventional - theoretical physics, if the stuff leaks out...

Energy is all around us, even in vacuum, in lightnings, clouds, wind, seas, sunbeams, we only have to learn how to use it... Tesla saw electric potential in the empty space; vacuum, he called it "Ether". Mechanic ether was disproved in Mychelson-Morley experiment (which opens the door to the Einstein's Special relativity and Lorentz's (& Gallileo Galilei's) transformations...How ever it seems the vacuum can be manipulated. And we can avoid these borders. This concept of separation was proposed by Miguel Alcubierre with his Alcubierre (warp) drive...
I think that discovery or better said uses of the vacuum for Free energy will open doors into the Holy grail of the interstellar space travel... This will be by my opinion biggest achievement of human kind.

Dalmat
04-09-14, 12:23
wireless energy transfer comes from Croatian scientist, nothing to do with stolen research

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity

http://witricity.com/

LeBrok
04-09-14, 16:19
wireless energy transfer comes from Croatian scientist, nothing to do with stolen research

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity

http://witricity.com/


Tesla was in prison (in his hotel room) for the rest of his life, so I would never call him an "American", because he was not. He died in poverty.

Several of his inventions were stolen from his handbooks; like is the wireless electricity transmission over distance... soon in your favorite markets; wireless cellphone adapter.

Regards to the Free energy...
The best approximation it is the
Quantum vacuum plasma thruster

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187346-nasa-tests-impossible-no-fuel-quantum-space-engine-and-it-actually-works

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

Faster light (Casimir vacuum and quantum tunnelling) acutally has an effect where are the speeds faster than speed of light itself...When vacuum energy is lowered, light itself has been predicted to go faster than the standard value c. This is known as the Scharnorst effect. Such a vacuum can be produced by bringing two perfectly smooth metal plates together at near atomic diameter spacing. It is called a Casimir vacuum. Calculations imply that light will go faster in such a vacuum by a minuscule amount: a photon traveling between two plates that are 1 micrometer apart would increase the photon's speed by only about one part in 103 It might be the new "step further" into the interstellar space travel...

note, that things you are seeing now, were already produced in a lab for decades; Russian and American Military projects include experimental "out of time" projects, which do not necessarily follow the laws of physics... It is important they make it, the rest is part of conventional - theoretical physics, if the stuff leaks out...

Energy is all around us, even in vacuum, in lightnings, clouds, wind, seas, sunbeams, we only have to learn how to use it... Tesla saw electric potential in the empty space; vacuum, he called it "Ether". Mechanic ether was disproved in Mychelson-Morley experiment (which opens the door to the Einstein's Special relativity and Lorentz's (& Gallileo Galilei's) transformations...How ever it seems the vacuum can be manipulated. And we can avoid these borders. This concept of separation was proposed by Miguel Alcubierre with his Alcubierre (warp) drive...
I think that discovery or better said uses of the vacuum for Free energy will open doors into the Holy grail of the interstellar space travel... This will be by my opinion biggest achievement of human kind.

Please read posts of Agitated with explanation why wireless energy transmission is not going to happen.


He died in poverty. your definition of poverty must be very different from general meaning. How poor was he if he afforded to live in a nice hotel room to the end of his life?

Vedun
04-09-14, 17:25
Please read posts of Agitated with explanation why wireless energy transmission is not going to happen.

your definition of poverty must be very different from general meaning. How poor was he if he afforded to live in a nice hotel room to the end of his life?

"On last Thursday night here in our city of New York, a man who was 87 years of age died in his humble hotel room. His name was Nikola Tesla. He died in poverty, but he was one of the most useful and successful men who ever lived."

source:
http://www.themarysue.com/nikola-tesla-eulogy/

"Tesla died penniless in 1943 in the New Yorker Hotel, where he had lived for 10 years after being evicted from another hotel for not paying his bill."

source:
http://www.ineffableisland.com/2012/05/10-celebrated-geniuses-who-died.html

PS

He did not only die penniless, he died in prison (hotel room). He was not allowed to speak with anybody outside his hotel room.

Vedun
04-09-14, 17:38
"Please read posts of Agitated with explanation why wireless energy transmission is not going to happen."

It is not only possible, one of American companies ("coincidence") will be selling them (cellphone adapters) in 2015/2016... - for shorter distances.
The general(original) wireless transportation from Tesla's time, or transformation of AC electricity is based on the technology called magnetic resonance coupling. Two copper coils are tuned to resonate at the same natural frequency...It is in fact an induction.
The production of electric power could be by my opinion also made via lasers; from space itself; where the strong laser beam should be by my opinion produced from to the Geostationary sattelite and pointed into the Earth's lower atmospheres, where should be standing on a high structure like "babylon towers", where the water would be heated up more quickly because of lower pressure (water is boiling more quickly in heights) and sent back as a steam through the wrapped tube to earth and finally sent through several Dinamos which will create an electricity.
New cold water will be pumped up with use of the Pascal's law with help of the energy from the oceans (another potential for independent power plants)...
Imagine nets around our planet. With time we could also build a 'shield' which will separate strong radiation which will partially block theInfrared light; which is absorbed by CO2, Methane and cool down the Earth... (in case of "global warming")... we will create new places to live there (check Herman Topočnik Noordungs's space wheel) with structures with artificial graviation, for living...And solar power will be everywhere around us...

LeBrok
04-09-14, 18:23
"On last Thursday night here in our city of New York, a man who was 87 years of age died in his humble hotel room. His name was Nikola Tesla. He died in poverty, but he was one of the most useful and successful men who ever lived."

source:
http://www.themarysue.com/nikola-tesla-eulogy/

"Tesla died penniless in 1943 in the New Yorker Hotel, where he had lived for 10 years after being evicted from another hotel for not paying his bill."

source:
http://www.ineffableisland.com/2012/05/10-celebrated-geniuses-who-died.html

PS

He did not only die penniless, he died in prison (hotel room). He was not allowed to speak with anybody outside his hotel room.

Who paid for his hotel?

Vedun
04-09-14, 23:22
American taxpayers. Go ahead and re-write those articles on your way... that he died wealthy, somewhere in Hawaii,...

LeBrok
05-09-14, 03:20
American taxpayers. Go ahead and re-write those articles on your way... that he died wealthy, somewhere in Hawaii,...
What are you saying, that he was either poor or rich? You missed 95% of normal people, around middle class income.

I've asked you a very valid question. Did he pay for his hotel room or not?

Garrick
10-09-14, 21:36
Nikola Tesla was Serbian and American.

He was born in Austrian Empire, his father was Serbian Orthodox priest.

Legacy of Tesla's work today is in America and Serbia.

Tesla's monument in New York: detail

6608

Nikola Tesla was big scientist and inventor world-class.

I don't understand why story about hotel and price of hotel is important for these thread?

Vedun
11-09-14, 16:36
"I don't understand why story about hotel and price of hotel is important for these thread?"

Because it is important that he was a prisoner in USA until his death...

"On last Thursday night here in our city of New York, a man who was 87 years of age died in his humble hotel room. His name was Nikola Tesla. He died in poverty, but he was one of the most useful and successful men who ever lived."

source:
http://www.themarysue.com/nikola-tesla-eulogy/

"Tesla died penniless in 1943 in the New Yorker Hotel, where he had lived for 10 years after being evicted from another hotel for not paying his bill."

source:
http://www.ineffableisland.com/2012/...-who-died.html (http://www.ineffableisland.com/2012/05/10-celebrated-geniuses-who-died.html)

He was an American (prisoner)... It was not allowed for him to leave USA or several areas or even speak with anybody. He was constantly watched, controlled by FBI.
You can restrict the freedom with forfeiture of people's fortune or money... with repression (secret services, police, army,..). He did not even squeek.

skywater
02-11-17, 14:56
Same way you can say that plains, balloons and rockets are build on anti-gravity, they surely stay in the air or even in space.

Yetos, Tesla's theories and patents are available online and are free. Some people claim that you can build Tesla generator using parts from any electric store. It looks like it is a very simple machine. You are an engineer, so why don't you build it and tell us how it works or whether it works at all. Build it and free Greeks from paying for electricity.

If you can't find it free. Spend 40 bucks and buy it here. It would be your best investment ever. Just 40 dollars:

LeBrok; I know this is an old post but others may stumble across it like I did, and that link is still valid. First, in an earlier post you mention that we capture electromagnetic energy from the sun via windmills, which is untrue, we use wind power to generate electricity by spinning a magnet in a coil. Look up Dynamo if you're unsure how it works.
But regarding your link, if I'm not wrong, it was ruled in the 40's (in the UK) that acquiring electricity in the way described in that video, is actually theft.
The video shows a diagram consisting of four diodes and a few capacitors, plus an antenna. The diodes are arranged as a bridge rectifier which changes ac to dc, but where does the antenna get the ac?
What is actually happening, rather than the antenna picking up electricity from the magical aether, it's picking up the carrier wave of TV or Radio stations then it's converted to dc via the diodes. In reality you would be stealing the power from radio transmitters!

LeBrok
02-11-17, 18:53
LeBrok; I know this is an old post but others may stumble across it like I did, and that link is still valid. First, in an earlier post you mention that we capture electromagnetic energy from the sun via windmills, which is untrue, we use wind power to generate electricity by spinning a magnet in a coil. Look up Dynamo if you're unsure how it works. Tell us what propels the wind? The last time I checked it was energy from the sun, and guess in what form this energy reaches Earth?


But regarding your link, if I'm not wrong, it was ruled in the 40's (in the UK) that acquiring electricity in the way described in that video, is actually theft.
The video shows a diagram consisting of four diodes and a few capacitors, plus an antenna. The diodes are arranged as a bridge rectifier which changes ac to dc, but where does the antenna get the ac?
What is actually happening, rather than the antenna picking up electricity from the magical aether, it's picking up the carrier wave of TV or Radio stations then it's converted to dc via the diodes. In reality you would be stealing the power from radio transmitters!The problem is that, more energy hast to be emitted than it can be captured, usually few magnitudes more. This is super inefficient way of sending energy.

Seanp
12-11-17, 16:30
As long as multinational corporations hold interest in oil industry, then we can't really expect developments towards free energy and even electric cars are overpriced and limited to the upper classes, so even in the XXI century most people will likely be dependent on Oil, where as some do it yourself scientists were able to create cars which use solar energy to make the cars use free energy, but it would against the interest of global corporations whose income dependent on oil industry.
We have far liberal globalist members here who genuinely believe that Obama spent millions of dollars on drones to protect the Middle Eastern citizens from Al Quaida gerillas - Those guerillas who were created by the local CIA to oppose the Russian communists during the 70's still being used by who? I don't think anyone who don't watch the fox or BBC new 24/7 would question the possibility that US intelligence cooperates together with terrorist organizations to give reason for US miliatry to have a politically allowed presence in the Middle East and it's just another quite huge coincidence that the Middle East has one of the most natural Oil on the globe.

LeBrok
12-11-17, 17:53
As long as multinational corporations hold interest in oil industry, then we can't really expect developments towards free energy and even electric cars are overpriced and limited to the upper classes, so even in the XXI century most people will likely be dependent on Oil, where as some do it yourself scientists were able to create cars which use solar energy to make the cars use free energy, but it would against the interest of global corporations whose income dependent on oil industry.
We have far liberal globalist members here who genuinely believe that Obama spent millions of dollars on drones to protect the Middle Eastern citizens from Al Quaida gerillas - Those guerillas who were created by the local CIA to oppose the Russian communists during the 70's still being used by who? I don't think anyone who don't watch the fox or BBC new 24/7 would question the possibility that US intelligence cooperates together with terrorist organizations to give reason for US miliatry to have a politically allowed presence in the Middle East and it's just another quite huge coincidence that the Middle East has one of the most natural Oil on the globe. What are you doing here Seanp?! The conspiracy theorist forums kicked you out for being too radical?! You are not going to find friendly ears here. It is not going to be different now than last time.

Seanp
12-11-17, 18:42
What are you doing here Seanp?! The conspiracy theorist forums kicked you out for being too radical?! You are not going to find friendly ears here. It is not going to be different now than last time.

Aside the Ad hominem attack on my person coming from you, I don't have anything to against anyone here. It's a free forum to share opinions and it's not radical nor conspiracy to say facts that the CIA created Al Quaida in order to oppress Russian strategic involvements in Afghanistan during the 70's. (Admitted by the US military itself)

exceededminimumso..
12-11-17, 19:58
Lebrok, yes the sun is certainly the source of the vast majority of the energy in our solar system... but our Earth's magnetic field (resulting from the planet's molten inner core interacting with the solar wind) produces enough energy to power all of mankind's needs according to Tesla.

I'm a Tesla fanatic, I think his brain was the most advanced ever produced by our species. If he says it's possible, I don't doubt him. The problem he encountered with Wardenclyffe in Long Island and also in Colorado Springs wasn't tower height like most people think, but with tower "footprint". He had to place massive metallic structures deep in the ground to achieve ground (actually planetary) resonance. This is no small feat.

If you dig deep enough you will find interior space inside Earth. That's why they stopped him. Wake up sheeple

LeBrok
12-11-17, 22:21
Aside the Ad hominem attack on my person coming from you, I don't have anything to against anyone here. It's a free forum to share opinions and it's not radical nor conspiracy to say facts that the CIA created Al Quaida in order to oppress Russian strategic involvements in Afghanistan during the 70's. (Admitted by the US military itself)
Every time you open your mouth the facts are omitted or being twisted to fit your conspiracy fantasies. Al Qaeda was created by Osama Bin Laden to fight Russian invasion of Afghanistan. US helped Al Qaeda fight Russians, as a proxy war/strategy against common enemy. Refresh your definitions of create versus help, use, enable.

Seanp
12-11-17, 22:35
Every time you open your mouth the facts are omitted or being twisted to fit your conspiracy fantasies. Al Qaeda was created by Osama Bin Laden to fight Russian invasion of Afghanistan. US helped Al Qaeda fight Russians, as a proxy war/strategy against common enemy. Refresh your definitions of create versus help, use, enable.

You should listen your beloved Liberals more often


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

nordicwarrior
01-12-17, 20:21
If I could make a slight adjustment to my earlier comment relating to earth's magnetic properties... while much of the planet's interior is rich in magnetic elements, the fact that the core is molten would negate most if not all of it's electro-magnetic properties. However there is enough solid ferrous substance in the outer shelves to allow for mankind to survive safely protected from problematic radiation belts (and enough for Tesla to link a ground based grid to the upper atmosphere).

P.S. Seanp that last video was a real eye-opener. It's a bummer you are banned.

nordicwarrior
01-12-17, 20:30
And by the way Exceededminimumso... we all know the Earth isn't hollow. Stop being silly.

It's flat. :)

exceededminimumso..
02-12-17, 14:32
And by the way Exceededminimumso... we all know the Earth isn't hollow. Stop being silly.

It's flat. :)

There's youtube video with Joe Biden saying that they created "earth is flat" theory to hide the fact that Eartn is hollow. it's an eye-opener and not in the "someone pronounces well known facts" way

Dibran
15-12-17, 21:52
There's youtube video with Joe Biden saying that they created "earth is flat" theory to hide the fact that Eartn is hollow. it's an eye-opener and not in the "someone pronounces well known facts" way

Source? I do recall someone mentioning that an earthquake has an almost ringing like phenomenon that gives the idea its hollow. I never went further researching into it. Just something I remember. I know the earth sure as hell aint flat. I am pretty sure its not hollow(but in this I have to be honest I haven't done much research).

nordicwarrior
15-12-17, 22:52
I've heard the moon rings like a bell... during one of the Apollo missions sensors recorded massive ringing effects when portion of orbiter (or was it part of the lander) was intentionally jetisoned.

Regarding actual EARTHquakes, I know substrata has impact on how energy travels through the ground. For example the quake in Virginia a few years ago was felt through much of the Southern states because of dense granite/stone base.

exceededminimumso..
16-12-17, 08:27
Source? I do recall someone mentioning that an earthquake has an almost ringing like phenomenon that gives the idea its hollow. I never went further researching into it. Just something I remember. I know the earth sure as hell aint flat. I am pretty sure its not hollow(but in this I have to be honest I haven't done much research).

It was obvious joke, in my head at least. Makes me wonder how many conspiracy theories started same way