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Kardu
11-03-13, 19:31
Has anyone tried a new calculator?

http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/eurogenes-k36-at-gedmatch.html

My results:

31.04% North_Caucasian
18.68% West_Caucasian
16.76% Near_Eastern
15.57% East_Mediterranean
10.87% Armenian
4.91% South_Central_Asian
2.04% East_Balkan

You can download the necessary files from here:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!139&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AshoKjpmkqRu3tw

ElHorsto
11-03-13, 21:02
When the analysis is so fine grained, then it will probably show more the recent geographic proximities rather than ancient ancestries, I guess. But Fst distances might overcome this problem.

Kardu
11-03-13, 21:12
When the analysis is so fine grained, then it will probably show more the recent geographic proximities rather than ancient ancestries, I guess. But Fst distances might overcome this problem.

Not sure... that's what he writes:

Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition (https://www.23andme.com/you/ancestry/composition/) at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that all Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.

ElHorsto
11-03-13, 21:23
Not sure... that's what he writes:

Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition (https://www.23andme.com/you/ancestry/composition/) at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that all Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.

Thanks, that's the opposite of what I expected. Maybe he means that it can reveal new unknown ancient connections, regardless if there will be also more geographically flawed ones. But I don't want to comment too much without enough expert knowledge.

zanipolo
12-03-13, 01:32
Has anyone tried a new calculator?

http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/eurogenes-k36-at-gedmatch.html

My results:

31.04% North_Caucasian
18.68% West_Caucasian
16.76% Near_Eastern
15.57% East_Mediterranean
10.87% Armenian
4.91% South_Central_Asian

You can download the necessary files from here:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!139&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AshoKjpmkqRu3tw


I presume all the other markers are 0% for you

I will see what eurogenes has for me in in this K36 test. I will let you know.

The last 2tests from eurogenes has/had me as , between 70-90% North_Italian and at least 10% south-Finnish or west-Finnish. Then about 3% udmurt.

FTDNA latest revamp of their database under a new system has my mtdna dropping from 750 matches to 5 matches. Counting for 1 or 2 steps....the only one step is Finnish ....autosmals could be getting better.
The other 4 matches , are Hessen and Altenkircken in Germany, Hirzel in Switzerland and Ljunglay Sweden.

But I was also thrown out of H2 haplogroup and I am awaiting a new subclade.

Kardu
12-03-13, 13:16
I presume all the other markers are 0% for you



Oops, I've missed 2.04% of East Balkan :) Updated.

PaschalisB
16-03-13, 15:45
italian
16,68


east med
10,62


near eastern
8,59


central euro
8,28


armenian
8,13


east balkan
7


north sea
6,44


east central euro
6,24


iberian
5,79


west caucasian
4,87


north caucasian
4,85


west med
4,76


basque
2,96


north atlantic
2,58


french
1,43


arabian
0,49


eastern euro
0,28




the rest are all 0% for me

Kardu
16-03-13, 17:27
Interesting results, thanks for sharing!

drogin
20-03-13, 12:48
22.01% Fennoscandian
18.86% North_Sea
15.02% North_Atlantic
8.34% French
7.94% East_Central_Euro
7.38% Iberian
7.20% Eastern_Euro
6.38% North_Caucasian
5.19% Central_Euro
1.07% Basque
0.41% Amerindian
0.19% Italian
0.01% South_Central_Asian

The North Caucasian seems very strange considering my Norwegian/Finnish heritage...although people have actually been telling me I don't look Norwegian, even other Norwegians at times

Kardu
20-03-13, 13:42
North Caucasian component itself might be a mix of autochtones with Scytho-Sarmat-Goth. Paleo autosoms from that area will clarify the issue.

zanipolo
25-03-13, 07:30
mine



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
0.31%


Armenian
1.11%


Basque
1.26%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
2.43%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.57%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
4.89%


East_Med
5.51%


Eastern_Euro
4.52%


Fennoscandian
-


French
2.84%


Iberian
11.87%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
20.84%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
4.82%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
11.29%


North_Caucasian
0.49%


North_Sea
9.82%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
0.13%


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.60%


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
2.80%


West_Med
8.90%




where is west-caucasus?

Kardu
25-03-13, 12:04
Interesting results. West Caucasus = Western Georgia (Colchis) + Adighe/Circassia

Knovas
26-03-13, 19:26
Mine from Gedmatch:



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
6.05%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.79%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.60%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
2.03%


East_Med
2.49%


Eastern_Euro
3.84%


Fennoscandian
1.54%


French
5.85%


Iberian
29.83%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
19.92%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
2.45%


North_Atlantic
8.56%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
6.41%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
8.61%



More or less as expected.

zanipolo
27-03-13, 07:04
Interesting results. West Caucasus = Western Georgia (Colchis) + Adighe/Circassia

?

stated is
West_Caucasian = Abhkasian
West_Caucasian = Georgian

North_Sea = Kent

North_Caucasian = Adygei + Balkar + Chechen + Kumyk + Lezgin + North_Ossetian

North_Atlantic = Cornish

Italian = North_Italian + Tuscan only

East_Balkan = Bulgarian + Romanian only

Basque = French_Basque only.......spanish basque is Iberian

Kardu
27-03-13, 12:18
Thanks Zanipolo. Yes, actually we were checking with Polaco about this matter.
The point is modern Abkhaz are mixture of wets Georgians and Adygei people.
But anyway main problem is that all Georgians get higher North Caucasian component than West Caucasian. There is some miscalculation in that respect..

Dorianfinder
29-03-13, 12:50
italian
16,68


east med
10,62


near eastern
8,59


central euro
8,28


armenian
8,13


east balkan
7


north sea
6,44


east central euro
6,24


iberian
5,79


west caucasian
4,87


north caucasian
4,85


west med
4,76


basque
2,96


north atlantic
2,58


french
1,43


arabian
0,49


eastern euro
0,28



the rest are all 0% for me



Italian
16.42%


Iberian
9.07%


North_Sea
8.16%


East_Med
6.98%


Eastern_Euro
6.68%


East_Balkan
6.65%


Near_Eastern
6.65%


Fennoscandian
6.64%


North_Atlantic
5.59%


East_Central_Euro
5.21%


French
4.67%


West_Med
3.89%


Central_Euro
3.67%


West_Caucasian
3.01%


Armenian
2.74%


Volga-Ural
1.12%













approx. 98% total

hawklutz
15-05-13, 23:03
Western Ukrainian from Boyko highlanders ethnographic group:
East_Cent_Euro 17.18%
Eastern_Euro 13.04%
Italian 12.57%
Iberian 11.30%
Central_Euro 8.71%
East_Balkan 8.52%
North_Atlantic 4.69%
East_Med 4.20%
Fennoscandian 4.10%
French 3.22%
North_Sea 2.94%
Volga-Ural 2.93%
North_Caucasian2.50%
Basque 2.09%
Armenian 1.07%
West_Med 0.63%
West_Caucasian 0.30%

Eldritch
15-05-13, 23:57
Italian
16.42%


Iberian
9.07%


North_Sea
8.16%


East_Med
6.98%


Eastern_Euro
6.68%


East_Balkan
6.65%


Near_Eastern
6.65%


Fennoscandian
6.64%


North_Atlantic
5.59%


East_Central_Euro
5.21%


French
4.67%


West_Med
3.89%


Central_Euro
3.67%


West_Caucasian
3.01%


Armenian
2.74%


Volga-Ural
1.12%












approx. 98% total



Are you fully Greek if i may ask?

brianco
16-05-13, 13:34
I am British, here are mine:

North_Sea 19.47%
North_Atlantic 16.32%
Iberian 12.61%
Fennoscandian 11.36%
Italian 11.18%
East_Central_Euro 8.92%
Central_Euro 6.77%
French 4.67%
Eastern_Euro 3.50%
West_Med 1.39%
East_Balkan 1.34%
South_Central_Asian 1.34%

Brokensword
25-10-13, 14:17
Arabian
3.30%


Armenian
19.12%


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.93%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.17%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
12.56%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
0.35%


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
7.95%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
14.03%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
18.73%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
2.89%


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
16.54%


West_Med
3.42%




I am a Turk From Turkey with a HG R-M269.
I have 23 people in my Y-DNA12 match list.
All my matches are European except one who is a Georgian and the only one in my 25 marker match list.

Kardu
25-10-13, 15:21
Fascinating! Do you have any known Georgian ancestry? (as quite some people in Turkey do)
What's the kit number of the Georgian match?
You can pm me if you prefer.

highvalyrian
25-10-13, 15:47
U.S. American, with most known ancestry from British Isles and Germany:

Armenian 3.04%
Central_Euro 5.00%
East_Balkan 8.74%
East_Central_Euro 17.12%
Eastern_Euro 8.90%
Fennoscandian 10.34%
French 4.32%
Iberian 7.29%
Italian 10.52%
Near_Eastern 4.98%
North_Atlantic 4.44%
North_Sea 10.71%
South_Central_Asian 1.18%
Volga-Ural 3.37%

Brokensword
25-10-13, 16:21
Fascinating! Do you have any known Georgian ancestry? (as quite some people in Turkey do)
What's the kit number of the Georgian match?
You can pm me if you prefer.

My paternal grandmother has a name "Leyli" which is a Georgian name and i think means "Leyla" in Turkish if it is not a typo by the officer in registry office. Typo was very common during the time of transition from Arabic to Latin .

I sent an e-mail to my Georgian match, no answer yet. I will tell you his kit number right after i get approval of him. He is a known one in geneology field by many.

I would like to ask you a question. Because i only have one match in my 25 marker list and he is a Georgian, does it mean my paternal side is Georgian?

Goga
25-10-13, 16:31
I'm a Kurd (unmixed):




South_Central_Asian

21.14%



Near_Eastern

19.33%



East_Med

16.71%



North_Caucasian

16.30%



Armenian

12.64%



Italian

3.74%



West_Caucasian

3.68%



East_Balkan

3.02%



Arabian

2.79%



East_Central_Euro

0.53%



Basque

0.11%




http://imageshack.com/a/img18/3495/7xn5.jpg

Alan
25-10-13, 17:01
I'm a Kurd (unmixed)




No need to mention that always. You are not more unmixed than most other Kurds. The Yezidi Caste system was introduced by Sheik Adi roughly 1100 AD.
Before that Yezidis mixing up of Yezidis with non Yezidis was not forbidden and there are accounts for this has happened.

The South_Central Asian in Eurogenes K36 is equivalent to Eurogenes K13 West-Central Asian and to Dienekes "Gedrosia".

Goga
25-10-13, 17:14
No need to mention that always. You are not more unmixed than most other Kurds. The Yezidi Caste system was introduced by Sheik Adi roughly 1100 AD.
Before that Yezidis mixing up of Yezidis with non Yezidis was not forbidden and there are accounts for this has happened.

The South_Central Asian in Eurogenes K36 is equivalent to Eurogenes K13 West-Central Asian and to Dienekes "Gedrosia".At the same time when Turks arrived in Anatolia. Also as far as I know my ancestors were not mixing with non-Kurds for the last 300 years or something even after they left Kurdistan. According to Dienekes K12b I'm almost 30 % Gedrosia, same average like other Kurds. Also I'm sure that that South_Central_Asian and Gedrosia is NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau!

Kardu
25-10-13, 18:15
My paternal grandmother has a name "Leyli" which is a Georgian name and i think means "Leyla" in Turkish if it is not a typo by the officer in registry office. Typo was very common during the time of transition from Arabic to Latin .

I sent an e-mail to my Georgian match, no answer yet. I will tell you his kit number right after i get approval of him. He is a known one in geneology field by many.

I would like to ask you a question. Because i only have one match in my 25 marker list and he is a Georgian, does it mean my paternal side is Georgian?

Yes, it's quite possible that if you have only one 25 marker match and its with Georgian that it indicates a Georgian ancestry. Plus considering close links of North-Eastern Turkey with Georgian kingdom.

I believe that R1b persons account is managed by my fellow admin of Georgian DNA project J. Gogitidze and not the person tested himself.

Brokensword
25-10-13, 19:00
Yes, it's quite possible that if you have only one 25 marker match and its with Georgian that it indicates a Georgian ancestry. Plus considering close links of North-Eastern Turkey with Georgian kingdom.

I believe that R1b persons account is managed by my fellow admin of Georgian DNA project J. Gogitidze and not the person tested himself.

Thanks.

I will try to contact J. Gogitidze to see who the real one i match is.

silkyslovanbojkovsky
25-10-13, 20:31
Has anyone tried a new calculator?

http://bga101.blogspot.com.es/2013/03/eurogenes-k36-at-gedmatch.html

My results:

31.04% North_Caucasian
18.68% West_Caucasian
16.76% Near_Eastern
15.57% East_Mediterranean
10.87% Armenian
4.91% South_Central_Asian
2.04% East_Balkan

You can download the necessary files from here:

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!139&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AshoKjpmkqRu3tw

Interesting! here are my results. Three of my grandparents were Slovak and the fourth a white American with ties to the british isles, Germany, france and Switzerland . 6057 On the blog it says that we can use it a geographic map and pin ourselves to a certaing geographic position. Has anyone else done this? and How?

Alan
25-10-13, 22:42
At the same time when Turks arrived in Anatolia. Also as far as I know my ancestors were not mixing with non-Kurds for the last 300 years or something even after they left Kurdistan. According to Dienekes K12b I'm almost 30 % Gedrosia, same average like other Kurds. Also I'm sure that that South_Central_Asian and Gedrosia is NATIVE to the Iranian Plateau!


Yes for 300 years, but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others. I know Yezidis who look hardcore Levantine like Lebanese than I know a Yezidi Singer who shows very strong East Asian physical features. This is my point so you might be relatively unmixed but not much more than other Kurds. Thats the point ;)

Kurdish average Gedrosia is 28%, so yes you are pretty average for Kurd. South_Central Asian(19%) of K36 and West_Central Asian of K13 (22%), Gedrosia (28%) are not 1:1 the same but very similar just with different labels.

elghund
25-10-13, 23:24
This calculator eliminated my small bit of African and inflated my non-extistant Amerindian.

Goga
25-10-13, 23:26
Yes for 300 years, but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others. I know Yezidis who look hardcore Levantine like Lebanese than I know a Yezidi Singer who shows very strong East Asian physical features. This is my point so you might be relatively unmixed but not much more than other Kurds. Thats the point ;)

Kurdish average Gedrosia is 28%, so yes you are pretty average for Kurd. South_Central Asian(21%) of K36 and West_Central Asian of K13 (22%), Gedrosia (28%) are not 1:1 the same but very similar just with different names.Don't know much about phenotypes. Phenotypes are like an optical illusion, you can look very different than what your DNA is telling. So I don't pay much attention to phenotypes.

I don't know exactly what you mean, but if you mean that there was (and is) almost no mixing between Kurds and our 'Islamic' neighbours after the Islam arrived in Kurdistan., I do agree with you. So it's true that Kurds didn't mix much with Turks, Arabs and Persians AFTER Islam.
As you know I'm not a Muslim, but my DNA is practically identical to the DNA of an average Kurd.

I do actually believe that we Kurds don't differ a lot from our ancient (Median) ancestors.

Goga
25-10-13, 23:51
but before Sheik Adis Cast System there was mixing of Yezidis with others.
Btw, there was already a some kind of 'CLASS' system before Shex Adi. The distinction 'Mridi' and Pirs existed already in Kurdistan before the reforms of the Kurdish native religion.

Alan
26-10-13, 00:06
Don't know much about phenotypes. Phenotypes are like an optical illusion, you can look very different than what your DNA is telling. So I don't pay much attention to phenotypes.


You can but only if these phenotypes are rare or exceptional for your region(it could be adaption, but the individual does not live in East Asia) or people. But if it is not the cases than in it has usually a genetic reason for that. Believe me these East Asian traits are not "illusions". It could also be an ancient Eurasian connection through Haplogroup R*.

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBfFoxhXtJO4Fkj&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-vthumb-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhvthumb-ak-ash3%2Fs526x296%2F1095392_608182339232531_60817892 9232872_20219_750_b.jpg&jq=100





I don't know exactly what you mean, but if you mean that there was (and is) almost no mixing between Kurds and our 'Islamic' neighbours after the Islam arrived in Kurdistan., I do agree with you. So it's true that Kurds didn't mix much with Turks, Arabs and Persians AFTER Islam.

Thats my point, there is not much admixture among Yezidi Kurds after Islam but we or our ancestors do not exist only since Islam. ;)



As you know I'm not a Muslim, but my DNA is practically identical to the DNA of an average Kurd.


I do actually believe that we Kurds don't differ a lot from our ancient (Median) ancestors.

I know I didn't said you are atypical. You are average like any unmixed Kurds. So there is not much need to mention this :)


Btw, there was already a some kind of 'CLASS' system before Shex Adi. The distinction 'Mridi' and Pirs existed already in Kurdistan before the reforms of the Kurdish native religion.

The Mirid, Pir classes and distinction existed but the Caste system as we know it with the rules of not marrying non Yezidis was invented by Sheik Adi to prevent the extinction of the Yezidi religion.

Maciamo
26-10-13, 10:10
22.01% Fennoscandian
18.86% North_Sea
15.02% North_Atlantic
8.34% French
7.94% East_Central_Euro
7.38% Iberian
7.20% Eastern_Euro
6.38% North_Caucasian
5.19% Central_Euro
1.07% Basque
0.41% Amerindian
0.19% Italian
0.01% South_Central_Asian

The North Caucasian seems very strange considering my Norwegian/Finnish heritage...although people have actually been telling me I don't look Norwegian, even other Norwegians at times

Not if you consider that the R1b Indo-Europeans mixed with North Caucasian women in the Early Bronze Age (Maykop, Yamna) before invading Europe (see R1b history (http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml#Maykop)).

MfA
26-10-13, 16:02
South_Central_Asian 18.94%
East_Med 18.24%
Near_Eastern 18.06%
North_Caucasian 13.63%
Armenian 11.01%
West_Caucasian 10.29%
Italian 4.03%
Central_Euro 2.75%
Arabian 1.34%
Basque 0.97%
West_Med 0.65%
Iberian 0.08%
East_Balkan 0.02%

Alan
26-10-13, 16:36
Arabian
3.30%


Armenian
19.12%


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.93%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.17%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
12.56%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
0.35%


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
7.95%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
14.03%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
18.73%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
2.89%


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
16.54%


West_Med
3.42%




I am a Turk From Turkey with a HG R-M269.
I have 23 people in my Y-DNA12 match list.
All my matches are European except one who is a Georgian and the only one in my 25 marker match list.
These results indeed look very Georgian. Most notable the complete lack of East Eurasian components while average Turkish person has 5-7%. The results are atypical for Turkish standard. You definitely have Caucaus origin.

Goga
26-10-13, 17:13
These results indeed look very Georgian. notable the complete lack of East Eurasian components while average Turkish person has 6-7%. The results are atypical for Turkish standard. You definitely have Caucaus origin.
More likely Georgian mixed with Armenians & Greeks. Real Georgians have much more "North Caucasian" and less of "Armenian" (aka South_East_Caucasian).

Goga
26-10-13, 17:21
South_Central_Asian 18.94%
East_Med 18.24%
Near_Eastern 18.06%
North_Caucasian 13.63%
Armenian 11.01%
West_Caucasian 10.29%
Italian 4.03%
Central_Euro 2.75%
Arabian 1.34%
Basque 0.97%
West_Med 0.65%
Iberian 0.08%
East_Balkan 0.02%
Interesting! Are you a Kurd from Anatolia? Because you have less 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' & 'North_Caucasian' than I do. But you have more of 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian'. I think 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian' are more native to Taurus / Eastern Anatolia (North Kurdistan), while 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' are more from Zagros / Iranian Plateau (Southeast Kurdistan). It's strange that while Northern Kurds are Kurmanji and I'm Kurmanji too, but I do cluster closer to Sorani (Iraqi) Kurds and Eastern Gorani/Feyli (Iranian) Kurds.

Goga
26-10-13, 17:29
It could also be an ancient Eurasian connection through Haplogroup R*.I'm sure that the original R*, R1*, R2*, R1a*, R1b*, R2a* were all from "South_Central_Asia", native to the Iranian Plateau, although not sure about 'North_East Iranian Plateau' (Eastern side of the Caspian Sea) or 'West Iranian Plateau' (South_Western side of the Caspian Sea)...

BakodiP
26-10-13, 19:11
East_Central_Euro
15.16%



Central_Euro
10.00%





Italian
9.22%




Eastern_Euro
9.11%


Iberian
8.53%


North_Atlantic
8.39%


East_Balkan
7.98%


French
6.45%


Near_Eastern
5.33%


Fennoscandian
5.10%


North_Sea
4.74%


Armenian
3.66%


West_Med
2.90%


North_Caucasian
1.50%


Volga-Ural
1.47%


Arabian
0.37%


Basque
0.11%



My results. 17 populations have some percents out of 36, a bit annoying :S

adamo
26-10-13, 21:22
The minor high of R1b M-269* in south Italy could be due to Anatolian agriculturalists moving towards Mediterranean Europe as well! not to mention R-L23.

Alan
26-10-13, 23:54
Interesting! Are you a Kurd from Anatolia? Because you have less 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' & 'North_Caucasian' than I do. But you have more of 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian'. I think 'East_Med' & 'West_Caucasian' are more native to Taurus / Eastern Anatolia (North Kurdistan), while 'South_Central_Asian' & 'Near_Eastern' are more from Zagros / Iranian Plateau (Southeast Kurdistan). It's strange that while Northern Kurds are Kurmanji and I'm Kurmanji too, but I do cluster closer to Sorani (Iraqi) Kurds and Eastern Gorani/Feyli (Iranian) Kurds.

It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.

MfA
27-10-13, 00:07
It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.

I am quite an average Kurmanji Kurd from Turkey.. I have more than 10 samples from Turkey also including Zazas.. You can check various tests in my blog(EUtest V2, K9b, Dodecad K12b).. I don't like K36, 36 component is just too much many alleles've eaten up..

corduene.blogspot.com

Goga
27-10-13, 00:47
It would be interesting if you and Mfg would make a test on Eurogenes K13 calculator since it is newer than k36.What is so interesting about Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions data? Here are my Eurogenes K13 results:



West Central Asian

28.21%



Caucasus

27.29%



Mediterranean

17.71%



Southwest Asian

9.66%



North European

8.66%



South Asian

6.69%



Amerindian

0.72%



Northeast African

0.69%



North Eurasian

0.16%



East Siberian

0.15%



Pygmy

0.06%



West African

-



East Asian

-




http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/433/op53.jpg

Alan
27-10-13, 23:49
What is so interesting about Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions data? Here are my Eurogenes K13 results:



West Central Asian
28.21%


Caucasus
27.29%


Mediterranean
17.71%


Southwest Asian
9.66%


North European
8.66%


South Asian
6.69%


Amerindian
0.72%


Northeast African
0.69%


North Eurasian
0.16%


East Siberian
0.15%


Pygmy
0.06%


West African
-


East Asian
-






It's because it is the revised version of K36.

Interesting, you do are slightly atypical for the average Kurd. The average Kurd has according to the spreadsheet of K13 run, more Caucasus, less South Asian and more Southwest Asian. We do have another Yezidi individual from Iraqi Kurdistan and his results match the average better than yours.

However overall you are not far from average.

Goga
28-10-13, 00:23
It's because it is the revised version of K36.

Interesting, you do are slightly atypical for the average Kurd. The average Kurd has according to the spreadsheet of K13 run, more Caucasus, less South Asian and more Southwest Asian. We do have another Yezidi individual from Iraqi Kurdistan and his results match the average better than yours.

However overall you are not far from average.Maybe a little bit different to Northern Kurds, but very very similar to Feyli / Eastern Kurds. Here data of Eastern Feyli Kurd (Angrals). You know who he is. http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4786693/2/ . But It's strange because I'm Kurmanji speaker and 90% of my ancestors are from Northern Kurdistan and only 10% from Qamishli-Shekhan-Shangal area. I'm starting to believe that Sorani, Feyli/Gorani Kurds are less mixed with other races (especially Armenians) than Northern Kurmanji Kurds. My results do tend a little bit more toward the Zagros/Iranian Plateau.

Alan
28-10-13, 13:36
Maybe a little bit different to Northern Kurds, but very very similar to Feyli / Eastern Kurds. Here data of Eastern Feyli Kurd (Angrals). You know who he is. http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4786693/2/ . But It's strange because I'm Kurmanji speaker and 90% of my ancestors are from Northern Kurdistan and only 10% from Qamishli-Shekhan-Shangal area. I'm starting to believe that Sorani, Feyli/Gorani Kurds are less mixed with other races (especially Armenians) than Northern Kurmanji Kurds. My results do tend a little bit more toward the Zagros/Iranian Plateau.

My fault I looked at Eurogenes K13 run spreadsheet -> http://bga101.blogspot.de/2012/03/admixture-analysis-of-west-eurasia-k13.html

and not the "do it yourself k13 Gedmatch version". In the Gedmatch version it seems some of the West-Central Asian genes (Gedrosia) get eaten up by South Asian (ANI-ASI zombie component just like in Dodecad v2) because in the Eurogenes K13 run the Kurdish samples had an average of >0,5% SA and lot more Caucasus. So your results might not be so atypical at all.

Alexandros
04-11-13, 20:34
@PaschalisB & Dorianfinder

Could you please specify which places of Greece you descent from? Your k36 results are somewhat different and both quite interesting. I can see Milos for Dorianfinder. Are all your ancestors from the specific island? Euxaristw!

PaschalisB
15-11-13, 16:01
@PaschalisB & Dorianfinder

Could you please specify which places of Greece you descent from? Your k36 results are somewhat different and both quite interesting. I can see Milos for Dorianfinder. Are all your ancestors from the specific island? Euxaristw!

My paternal ancestors come from Thrace and my maternal ones from north-west Greece.

Albania
17-11-13, 00:51
18.89% Italian
.................................................. ..........................
16.39% East_Med
11.20% Iberian
8.24% East_Balkan
7.21% West_Med
6.33% North_Sea
.................................................. ..........................
5.82% Near_Eastern
3.68% Central_Euro
3.63% East_Central_Euro
3.57% French
3.15% North_Atlantic
.................................................. ..........................
3.13% Armenian ´
3.15% West_Caucasian
2.11% North_Caucasian
1.82% Eastern_Euro
1.56% Fennoscandian
..........................

BakodiP
17-11-13, 21:50
East_Central_Euro
15.16%


..................................................


Central_Euro
10.00%


Italian
9.22%


Eastern_Euro
9.11%


Iberian
8.53%


North_Atlantic
8.39%


East_Balkan
7.98%


French
6.45%


..................................................


Near_Eastern
5.33%


Fennoscandian
5.10%


North_Sea
4.74%


Armenian
3.66%


West_Med
2.90%


..................................................


North_Caucasian
1.50%


Volga-Ural
1.47%


Arabian
0.37%


Basque
0.11%

EastAnglian
20-11-13, 16:45
K36:

North_Sea
20.36%


North_Atlantic
18.21%


Iberian
11.81%


Central_Euro
8.93%


Italian
7.67%


Fennoscandian
7.65%


East_Central_Euro
7.29%


French
5.33%


North_Caucasian
3.99%


Eastern_Euro
3.35%


East_Balkan
2.49%


Basque
1.83%

EastAnglian
20-11-13, 17:44
Is there a K15 thread on here anywhere?

mihaitzateo
06-12-13, 19:31
18.89% Italian
.................................................. ..........................
16.39% East_Med
11.20% Iberian
8.24% East_Balkan
7.21% West_Med
6.33% North_Sea
.................................................. ..........................
5.82% Near_Eastern
3.68% Central_Euro
3.63% East_Central_Euro
3.57% French
3.15% North_Atlantic
.................................................. ..........................
3.13% Armenian ´
3.15% West_Caucasian
2.11% North_Caucasian
1.82% Eastern_Euro
1.56% Fennoscandian
..........................
I think you have highest East Med admixture I have seen,from Albanians and Greeks on K36 results.

English Lad
07-12-13, 00:30
Mine,







Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
0.78%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
8.34%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
4.85%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
5.45%


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
2.53%


Fennoscandian
13.01%


French
7.42%


Iberian
13.36%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
5.41%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
13.61%


North_Caucasian
1.42%


North_Sea
22.62%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.20%


West_Med
-

Icebreaker
27-12-13, 14:20
Population



Amerindian
0.15%


Arabian
-


Armenian
6.36%


Basque
1.01%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
4.58%


East_African
-


East_Asian
0.25%


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
0.70%


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
18.20%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
0.39%


Indo-Chinese
0.60%


Italian
8.28%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
15.02%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
16.47%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
5.10%


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
10.25%


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.64%


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
11.17%


West_Med
0.84%

Gábor Balogh
29-12-13, 16:28
Hi,

It is a great tool, i think it is very accurate:

Italian 12.21%
East Med 11.64%
Iberian 10.45%
North Sea 8.22%
East Central Euro 7.87%
North Atlantic 7.68%
East Balkan 7.28%
Eastern Euro 6.59%
North Caucasian 5.27%
Near Eastern 4.37%
French 3.98%
Central Euro 3.52%
Central Euro 3.52%

martiko
19-01-14, 15:06
resultats in underside

martiko
20-01-14, 13:13
Mine from Gedmatch:



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
6.05%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.79%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.60%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
2.03%


East_Med
2.49%


Eastern_Euro
3.84%


Fennoscandian
1.54%


French
5.85%


Iberian
29.83%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
19.92%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
2.45%


North_Atlantic
8.56%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
6.41%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
8.61%



More or less as expected.



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
8.58%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.54%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.69%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.80%


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
5.37%


Fennoscandian
3.58%


French
5.13%


Iberian
33.48%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
14.30%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
13.33%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
11.27%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
0.35%


West_Med
1.59%



I am surprised of weak results : for West Caucasian 0.35% , for West Med 1.59%.

It seems to me you are native Catalan and I am native Basque / iberian, we have difference but a lot of likeness.

dcc555
03-03-14, 10:23
these are the mine



Amerindian
0.34


Arabian
-


Armenian
0.36


Basque
9.39


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
4.60


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.70


East_Med
1.91


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
3.30


French
5.37


Iberian
35.08


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
17.23


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
1.94


North_African
3.52


North_Atlantic
8.68


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
1.27


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
5.27

martiko
03-03-14, 15:05
these are the mine



Amerindian
0.34


Arabian
-


Armenian
0.36


Basque
9.39


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
4.60


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.70


East_Med
1.91


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
3.30


French
5.37


Iberian
35.08


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
17.23


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
1.94


North_African
3.52


North_Atlantic
8.68


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
1.27


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
5.27




according to your results: Are you the mix of Basque and Spanish? or just the typical catalan

Gracchus
03-03-14, 18:27
East_Med
0.44%


Fennoscandian
0.72%


East_African
0.81%


Volga-Ural
0.86%


East_Central_Euro
0.92%


Arabian
1.86%


North_African
2.24%


Central_Euro
2.70%


East_Balkan
2.84%


French
3.50%


North_Atlantic
6.62%


West_Med
7.33%


Near_Eastern
7.72%


North_Sea
7.81%


Basque
9.49%


Italian
14.21%


Iberian
29.92%

Alan
03-03-14, 19:17
I'm a Kurd (unmixed):































http://imageshack.com/a/img18/3495/7xn5.jpg

My results in comparison to yours.



Population



Amerindian
0.39%


Arabian
4.37%


Armenian
10.35%


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.35%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
16.02%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
2.30%


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
5.00%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
19.88%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
17.45%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
17.12%


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
6.77%


West_Med
-

Goga
03-03-14, 19:48
Cool, almost the same!

martiko
03-03-14, 22:15
East_Med
0.44%


Fennoscandian
0.72%


East_African
0.81%


Volga-Ural
0.86%


East_Central_Euro
0.92%


Arabian
1.86%


North_African
2.24%


Central_Euro
2.70%


East_Balkan
2.84%


French
3.50%


North_Atlantic
6.62%


West_Med
7.33%


Near_Eastern
7.72%


North_Sea
7.81%


Basque
9.49%


Italian
14.21%


Iberian
29.92%



the reconquista was certainly as violent as in the writings, when we see the level of Basque percentage which confirms what historians and geneticists have found.

dcc555
03-03-14, 23:27
my family is from Ciudad Real and Jaen, but in 23andme i oriented till the basques i can't post the imagen with my low ammount of post

Gracchus
04-03-14, 19:06
the reconquista was certainly as violent as in the writings, when we see the level of Basque percentage which confirms what historians and geneticists have found.

Martiko, exactly you mean by levels Basque results my percentage?
I only know ancestors: Valencia, Catalonia and Aragon. Although. I have noticed that my mother's maiden name is common only in Valencia and Navarre.
By the way, also strikes me that, you are Basque and have a lower Basque percentage than I.

dcc555
04-03-14, 23:16
Gracchus if you have 23andme add me , contact with me by pm

martiko
04-03-14, 23:41
Martiko, exactly you mean by levels Basque results my percentage?
I only know ancestors: Valencia, Catalonia and Aragon. Although. I have noticed that my mother's maiden name is common only in Valencia and Navarre.
By the way, also strikes me that, you are Basque and have a lower Basque percentage than I.

I'm only half Basque, my father was not Basque.

martiko
04-03-14, 23:55
my family is from Ciudad Real and Jaen, but in 23andme i oriented till the basques i can't post the imagen with my low ammount of post

23andme right, but this origin blended with a lot of Basque; is can be very ancient. And it is for it that I underlined the stage of Reconquista, because it seems much more to be prdominente and more than one thought what before.

Gracchus
05-03-14, 23:46
Sorry dcc555 i havent 23 and me, I just have FTDNA and GEDMATCH.
I see that your results are very similar to mine, a "high" percentage of Basque but none have known Basque ancestors ....
maybe as Martiko have reason, surely part of our great-grandparents lived in the Pyrenees during the Middle Ages... or maybe this percentage is older.
sorry for my english

martiko
06-03-14, 00:32
Sorry dcc555 i havent 23 and me, I just have FTDNA and GEDMATCH.
I see that your results are very similar to mine, a "high" percentage of Basque but none have known Basque ancestors ....
maybe as Martiko have reason, surely part of our great-grandparents lived in the Pyrenees during the Middle Ages... or maybe this percentage is older.
sorry for my english

it is a fact the reconquista was very bloody and very violent, Spain was 'purified' by blood, mass deportations, and rape.
When does the 1220 Basque crushes Arab-Berber armies before Iruea (Pampelona), it ensued with great vengeance violence onto a large central part of Spain.
The marker Y DNA DF27 corresponds very well with history, on the contrary they find the Basque female marker not much, exepted in catalogne.
French expression ' tre vache ' comes to 'be vashk', be cruel, is because of these ancient historical facts

dcc555
09-03-14, 00:31
Perhaps that "basque" component is the Ibeero component (ancient ibero i refer) , they lived in the zones of Mediterranean influence and it seems they had some conection with basques

Luan
11-05-14, 19:17
Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
3.01%


Basque
3.22%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
1.04%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
13.76%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
7.80%


East_Med
12.14%


Eastern_Euro
0.28%


Fennoscandian
2.62%


French
6.04%


Iberian
12.32%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
16.84%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
0.50%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
7.83%


North_Sea
4.05%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
0.88%


West_Med
7.67%

martiko
16-05-14, 03:49
Perhaps that "basque" component is the Ibeero component (ancient ibero i refer) , they lived in the zones of Mediterranean influence and it seems they had some conection with basques

no! Basque ancestors lived in France most likely in the Loire Atlantique region, they are probably from a group of invading the other branch (the Angles or Old English are the other representatives, the fact is that M153 is a small proportion of Basque is not found that among the English, Basque and Catalan, which demonstrates penetration of group three directions and a little over 2000 years ago, but they are not originales Pyrenees and so what if that. Feit penalty to those who claim.

Grubbe
12-06-14, 22:41
My result:

North Sea 22,16 %
Fennoscandian 19,57 %
North Atlantic 15,18 %
East Central Euro 9,01 %
Central Euro 7,71 %
French 7,51 %
Iberian 7,34 %
North Caucasian 4,10 %
Italian 3,40 %
Eastern Euro 2,37 %
Basque 0,84 %
Volga-Ural 0,80 %

John Doe
16-06-14, 16:06
Ethnicity: Ashkenazi Jewish
K36 results:






Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
2.43%


Armenian
6.08%


Basque
1.91%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
1.74%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
3.11%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.11%


East_Med
15.86%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.88%


Iberian
13.16%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
17.43%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
12.77%


North_African
2.08%


North_Atlantic
6.17%


North_Caucasian
6.93%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.59%


West_Med
2.73%










I seem to have a lot of Iberian admixture, what could that mean?

Nobody1
16-06-14, 16:27
I seem to have a lot of Iberian admixture, what could that mean?

Absolutely nothing;
Considering that the source (Eurogense) is just an amateur/hobby internet blog and not a serious academic source; Get tested by a proper institution and dont even bother with such iss;

John Doe
16-06-14, 17:18
Absolutely nothing;
Considering that the source (Eurogense) is just an amateur/hobby internet blog and not a serious academic source; Get tested by a proper institution and dont even bother with such iss;

Okay, that sounds like a good idea, which proper institution should I get tested by? So far I got tested by 23andme and got 95.1% Ashkenazi which doesn't really tell me much.

Orillion
16-06-14, 22:01
Eurogenes might be a mere internet blog, the guy behind it happens to know stuff about population genetics, biostatistics and results interpretation. Just because it's a DIY project doesn't mean it has no value.

As its author explains somewhere in said blog, the Ashkenazi population is in itself an admixture of other populations. What K36 is showing you are the populations your Ashkenazi admixture is made of. If you want to get tested by another institution, your only realistic other choice would be FTDNA, whose new MyOrigins tool shows very interesting results, which can then be compared to 23andme's and Gedmatch's (you can upload your 23andme data to FTDNA - for a price - or order a new sample kit if you want to start over from scratch).
You might get apparently contradictory results (i, for one, did), but it's mainly because the reference populations they chose are different to begin with. If you want to get an example of this, do the Jtest and EUtest on Gedmatch: the only difference is that there is an Ashkenazi group in Jtest, everything else is the same: all your percentage which were grouped under Ashkenazi in Jtest will be added to a number of other groups in Eutest, showing which populations their reference Ashkenazi admixture is made of.

I hope this makes things a bit more clear.

Salbrox
16-06-14, 22:59
Eurogenes might be a mere internet blog, the guy behind it happens to know stuff about population genetics, biostatistics and results interpretation. Just because it's a DIY project doesn't mean it has no value.

As its author explains somewhere in said blog, the Ashkenazi population is in itself an admixture of other populations. What K36 is showing you are the populations your Ashkenazi admixture is made of. If you want to get tested by another institution, your only realistic other choice would be FTDNA, whose new MyOrigins tool shows very interesting results, which can then be compared to 23andme's and Gedmatch's (you can upload your 23andme data to FTDNA - for a price - or order a new sample kit if you want to start over from scratch).
You might get apparently contradictory results (i, for one, did), but it's mainly because the reference populations they chose are different to begin with. If you want to get an example of this, do the Jtest and EUtest on Gedmatch: the only difference is that there is an Ashkenazi group in Jtest, everything else is the same: all your percentage which were grouped under Ashkenazi in Jtest will be added to a number of other groups in Eutest, showing which populations their reference Ashkenazi admixture is made of.

I hope this makes things a bit more clear.

The "scene" of human genomics would be poorer without enthusiast bloggers. The admixture maps Maciamo has put on this site are based on Dodecad calculators of Dienekes, those are another hobbyist project comparable to Polako's Eurogenes.

Angela
16-06-14, 23:59
The "scene" of human genomics would be poorer without enthusiast bloggers. The admixture maps Maciamo has put on this site are based on Dodecad calculators of Dienekes, those are another hobbyist project comparable to Polako's Eurogenes.

No, they are not comparable. Dodecad provides sourcing for each and every single sample used, and a detailed, exhaustive description of the methodology used so that anyone can verify the findings. That is not the case for Eurogenes.

Salbrox
17-06-14, 00:19
No, they are not comparable. Dodecad provides sourcing for each and every single sample used, and a detailed, exhaustive description of the methodology used so that anyone can verify the findings. That is not the case for Eurogenes.

They both use the same programs and same academic samples. The only difference is that Dodecad includes project members (marked as Country_D) in the calculators besides academic samples. Dodecad's been on hold since 2012 so if anything those calculators are now the less comprehensive of the two - certainly so for any non-member because the "calculator effect" makes their results divergent from the population averages of the original run. ADMIXTURE program is ADMIXTURE program and HGDP Sardinians are HGDP Sardinians whether used by Dienekes or Polako, and you can test the validity of both equally by downloading the samples and the programs. I don't see what's the big deal here, as far as I know there isn't some specific instance of trickery that Polako is guilty of but Dienekes isn't.

motzart
17-06-14, 04:05
Population



Amerindian
0.11%


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
4.40%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
8.74%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.98%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
3.91%


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
4.06%


Fennoscandian
15.25%


French
8.55%


Iberian
14.52%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
1.30%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
18.22%


North_Caucasian
0.81%


North_Sea
16.83%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
1.31%

Nobody1
17-06-14, 05:50
They both use the same programs and same academic samples. The only difference is that Dodecad includes project members (marked as Country_D) in the calculators besides academic samples. Dodecad's been on hold since 2012 so if anything those calculators are now the less comprehensive of the two - certainly so for any non-member because the "calculator effect" makes their results divergent from the population averages of the original run. ADMIXTURE program is ADMIXTURE program and HGDP Sardinians are HGDP Sardinians whether used by Dienekes or Polako, and you can test the validity of both equally by downloading the samples and the programs. I don't see what's the big deal here, as far as I know there isn't some specific instance of trickery that Polako is guilty of but Dienekes isn't.

Validity of samples comes in academic studies but not in hobby blogs; Ramming whatever unconfirmed data through a "calculator" with no validation/supervision is the essence of a hobby blog along with premium skatchy self-creations; In reality its just complete kiddy nonsense (bloggers pretending to be scientists or even legit sources) and not even worth mentioning; Especially in the light of academic data (which are either confirmed or obscured by other academic data/studies) for Hobby Blogs are in fact just Hobby Blogs (aka Eurogense) no matter how much in a frenzy you are for that blogger;

Sile
17-06-14, 08:03
Ethnicity: Ashkenazi Jewish
K36 results:






Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
2.43%


Armenian
6.08%


Basque
1.91%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
1.74%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
3.11%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.11%


East_Med
15.86%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.88%


Iberian
13.16%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
17.43%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
12.77%


North_African
2.08%


North_Atlantic
6.17%


North_Caucasian
6.93%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.59%


West_Med
2.73%









I seem to have a lot of Iberian admixture, what could that mean?

don't bother with k36 eurogenes, it was something done by davidski to incorporate more iberian people into the "american" testers in gedmatch( they never saw much iberian in their autosomal ), so he "tweaked" his formula............but he has always ensured that his personnel AuDNA remains Polish.

I never have any "iberian" in my AuDna in any/all gedmatch tests ( except K36 ) , no iberian in Ftdna, nil in 23andme, nil in Natgeno2, nil in Interpretome, nil in Yhrd ............but have aragon and valencia as 3rd and 4th for K36

I have no issue in being iberian if I am Iberian, but.............we want the truth

Salbrox
17-06-14, 08:06
Validity of samples comes in academic studies but not in hobby blogs; Ramming whatever unconfirmed data through a "calculator" with no validation/supervision is the essence of a hobby blog along with premium skatchy self-creations; In reality its just complete kiddy nonsense (bloggers pretending to be scientists or even legit sources) and not even worth mentioning; Especially in the light of academic data (which are either confirmed or obscured by other academic data/studies) for Hobby Blogs are in fact just Hobby Blogs (aka Eurogense) no matter how much in a frenzy you are for that blogger;

Calculators like ones that can be found in Gedmatch are one thing, software like ADMIXTURE (http://www.genetics.ucla.edu/software/admixture/) used by bloggers like Dienekes and Polako is a program used in academic studies, and the genetic samples they use are also used in academic studies - like the HGDP samples. Genome bloggers are indeed outside academic process and their final products aren't something that gets published in academic journal, but their methods aren't obscure. This is my point about the issue.

You can dismiss their results of course - that is your right - but remember that this very site uses data produced by one such hobby blog, Dodecad, for "admixture maps". Would you say putting them up hurts Maciamo's credibility?

Nobody1
17-06-14, 09:24
don't bother with k36 eurogenes, it was something done by davidski to incorporate more iberian people into the "american" testers in gedmatch( they never saw much iberian in their autosomal ), so he "tweaked" his formula............but he has always ensured that his personnel AuDNA remains Polish.

I never have any "iberian" in my AuDna in any/all gedmatch tests ( except K36 ) , no iberian in Ftdna, nil in 23andme, nil in Natgeno2, nil in Interpretome, nil in Yhrd ............but have aragon and valencia as 3rd and 4th for K36

Absolutely;
Its just a pathetic sad charade and the Credibility for such an "ambitious" hobby blog speaks for itself - hardly any; No supervisions no verifications so whats even the point; All just self-created data by the blogger who owns it;

John Doe
17-06-14, 13:15
Eurogenes might be a mere internet blog, the guy behind it happens to know stuff about population genetics, biostatistics and results interpretation. Just because it's a DIY project doesn't mean it has no value.

As its author explains somewhere in said blog, the Ashkenazi population is in itself an admixture of other populations. What K36 is showing you are the populations your Ashkenazi admixture is made of. If you want to get tested by another institution, your only realistic other choice would be FTDNA, whose new MyOrigins tool shows very interesting results, which can then be compared to 23andme's and Gedmatch's (you can upload your 23andme data to FTDNA - for a price - or order a new sample kit if you want to start over from scratch).
You might get apparently contradictory results (i, for one, did), but it's mainly because the reference populations they chose are different to begin with. If you want to get an example of this, do the Jtest and EUtest on Gedmatch: the only difference is that there is an Ashkenazi group in Jtest, everything else is the same: all your percentage which were grouped under Ashkenazi in Jtest will be added to a number of other groups in Eutest, showing which populations their reference Ashkenazi admixture is made of.

I hope this makes things a bit more clear.

Alright, thanks.

John Doe
17-06-14, 13:17
Absolutely;
Its just a pathetic sad charade and the Credibility for such an "ambitious" hobby blog speaks for itself - hardly any; No supervisions no verifications so whats even the point; All just self-created data by the blogger who owns it;

Which DNA company is credible?

Nobody1
17-06-14, 13:29
Which DNA company is credible?

Harvard Medical School, Stanford Uni. or any Uni and Uni Clinic.
Or basically everything that does not have Blog in its title and is in fact not a blog; For blog screams Nonsense and is just silly iss (but to each his own); Proper academic refs. cost money but they are proper academic refs. and not whatever a blogger pulls out of his ... (i.e. "logic");
As for companies i dont get payed for doing commercials so;


You can dismiss their results of course - that is your right - but remember that this very site uses data produced by one such hobby blog, Dodecad, for "admixture maps". Would you say putting them up hurts Maciamo's credibility?

No;
Because the data for these maps are given i.e. clearly labeled; Thus the source and its credibility are known (whatever it is);

John Doe
17-06-14, 13:47
Harvard Medical School, Stanford Uni. or any Uni and Uni Clinic.
Or basically everything that does not have Blog in its title and is in fact a blog; For that screams Nonsense and is just silly iss (but to each his own); Proper academic refs. cost money but they are proper academic refs. and not whatever a blogger pulls out of his ... (i.e. "logic");
As for companies i dont get payed for doing commercials so;


Alright, How much does it cost to get an Autosomal/Mtdna/Y chromosome test with Stanford uni? Does 23andme count as credible? What about Geno 2.0?

Nobody1
17-06-14, 13:51
Alright, How much does it cost to get an Autosomal/Mtdna/Y chromosome test with Stanford uni?

You seem fit enough to do a phone call or correspondence on your own;

John Doe
17-06-14, 13:59
You seem fit enough to do a phone call or correspondence on your own;

Alright, thanks. Are 23andme and Geno 2.0 considered credible?

Sile
17-06-14, 14:12
Eurogenes might be a mere internet blog, the guy behind it happens to know stuff about population genetics, biostatistics and results interpretation. Just because it's a DIY project doesn't mean it has no value.

As its author explains somewhere in said blog, the Ashkenazi population is in itself an admixture of other populations. What K36 is showing you are the populations your Ashkenazi admixture is made of. If you want to get tested by another institution, your only realistic other choice would be FTDNA, whose new MyOrigins tool shows very interesting results, which can then be compared to 23andme's and Gedmatch's (you can upload your 23andme data to FTDNA - for a price - or order a new sample kit if you want to start over from scratch).
You might get apparently contradictory results (i, for one, did), but it's mainly because the reference populations they chose are different to begin with. If you want to get an example of this, do the Jtest and EUtest on Gedmatch: the only difference is that there is an Ashkenazi group in Jtest, everything else is the same: all your percentage which were grouped under Ashkenazi in Jtest will be added to a number of other groups in Eutest, showing which populations their reference Ashkenazi admixture is made of.

I hope this makes things a bit more clear.

you are correct for the jtest and Eutest............but is the program accurate, the last tweak of these, left me puzzled.
Besides, what will it give, 1 to 2% here or there .........let him test!

He can try Interpretome if he has done 23andme ...........its the only program that matches ( for me ) with ysearch people , gedmatch triangulation and Yhrd people............but none really explain the jewish component. You need to communicate with these people matches

Grubbe
23-06-14, 09:28
I tried all the different calculators at GEDmatch. Eurogenes was most in accordance with my myOrigins results at FTDNA for myself and two of my closest relatives. Dodecad was the least accurate, possibly because it is not updated.

Mars
30-07-14, 17:26
I tried all the different calculators at GEDmatch. Eurogenes was most in accordance with my myOrigins results at FTDNA for myself and two of my closest relatives. Dodecad was the least accurate, possibly because it is not updated.
I agree with you. Dodecad seems quite odd, actually. Eurogenes hunter-gatherers vs farmers, for example, matched well with myOrigins results, in my case.

Mars
30-07-14, 17:33
My results according to the test (run through GEDmatch):


Amerindian
-


Arabian
0.41%


Armenian
3.32%


Basque
2.73%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
4.83%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.24%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
3.19%


East_Med
10.43%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
3.64%


French
4.26%


Iberian
13.97%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
26.21%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
3.11%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
2.13%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
7.00%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.97%


West_Med
7.56%

John Doe
30-07-14, 19:47
I'm Ashkenazi Jewish by ethnicity, here are my K36 and Hunter gatherer vs farmer results, are these calculators accurate?

K36:





Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
2.43%


Armenian
6.08%


Basque
1.91%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
1.74%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
3.11%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.11%


East_Med
15.86%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.88%


Iberian
13.17%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
17.43%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
12.76%


North_African
2.08%


North_Atlantic
6.17%


North_Caucasian
6.93%


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.59%


West_Med
2.73%












Farmer vs hunter gatherer:






Population



Anatolian Farmer
28.09%


Baltic Hunter Gatherer
17.52%


Middle Eastern Herder
16.68%


East Asian Farmer
0.34%


South American Hunter Gatherer
-


South Asian Hunter Gatherer
-


North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
-


East African Pastoralist
0.36%


Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
0.23%


Mediterranean Farmer
35.72%


Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
-


Bantu Farmer
1.07%

Mars
31-07-14, 09:35
^It seems plausible to me, although the oceanian hunter gatherer appearing here and there in western eurasians is a mystery to me... Very likely, just some noise.

John Doe
31-07-14, 09:52
^It seems plausible to me, although the oceanian hunter gatherer appearing here and there in western eurasians is a mystery to me... Very likely, just some noise.

Alright, thanks. Yeah the Oceanian hunter gatherer is kind of strange.

Wolfstroy
03-09-14, 21:21
Here are my results (sorted):

1. Iberian: 22.17
2. Italian: 13.93
3. North Sea: 9.69
4. North Atlantic: 9.39
5. West Med: 6.81
6. Central Euro: 6.80
7. East Med: 4.95
8. Amerindian: 4.53
9. East Central Euro: 4.41
10. French: 4.02
11. Fennoscandian: 2.64
12. Arabian: 2.60
13. Near Eastern: 2.34
14. East Balkan: 2.19
15: Others: 3.53

mihaitzateo
03-09-14, 22:35
Here are my results (sorted):

1. Iberian: 22.17
2. Italian: 13.93
3. North Sea: 9.69
4. North Atlantic: 9.39
5. West Med: 6.81
6. Central Euro: 6.80
7. East Med: 4.95
8. Amerindian: 4.53
9. East Central Euro: 4.41
10. French: 4.02
11. Fennoscandian: 2.64
12. Arabian: 2.60
13. Near Eastern: 2.34
14. East Balkan: 2.19
15: Others: 3.53

Are you native of Sweden?

Wolfstroy
04-09-14, 17:25
Are you native of Sweden?

Nope, my ancestry is mainly Portuguese and Italian. I just live in Sweden.

martiko
20-11-14, 12:11
685768586859my resultats

dcc555
22-11-14, 22:48
Martiko what is your % basque score?

Rowan
09-05-15, 13:25
On paper I’m roughly 50% Tuscan, 25% North Italian, 25% South Italian.


These are my results above 1%:


Italian 25.13%
Iberian 14.46%
Near_Eastern 10.96%
East_Med 8.44%
West_Med 7.70%
French 6.71%
North_Atlantic 4.03%
Armenian 3.79%
North_Sea 3.69%
East_Central_Euro 2.63%
Basque 2.57%
East_Balkan 2.36%
Eastern_Euro 2.17%
Fennoscandian 1.73%
Central_Euro 1.18%


I’m new to DNA testing so there’s surely a lot that I’m missing but here are a few thoughts:


- Italian is based on Tuscan and North Italian samples so 25.13% seems a bit low
- Iberian is high but reading your posts I learn this K36 test has higher Iberian than average
- FTDNA gives me 16% Asia Minor that is based on Armenian, so this 3.79% is kinda low.
- I’m a little bit of everything!

Thorbjorn
19-05-15, 19:21
I have a little bit of almost everything too. mtDNA is HV4, yDNA is T. Interesting mix for Italian and Sicilian. I left out anything <1%.

Arabian 5.85%
Armenian 4.93%
Central_Euro 1.78%
East_Balkan 2.19%
East_Med 13.42%
Fennoscandian 1.37%
French 3.65%
Iberian 13.92%
Italian 20.69%
Near_Eastern 13.77%
North_African 2.53%
North_Atlantic 2.47%
North_Caucasian 1.53%
North_Sea 2.51%
West_Caucasian 3.76%
West_Med 5.19%

Sile
19-05-15, 20:14
I have a little bit of almost everything too. mtDNA is HV4, yDNA is T. Interesting mix for Italian and Sicilian. I left out anything <1%.

Arabian 5.85%
Armenian 4.93%
Central_Euro 1.78%
East_Balkan 2.19%
East_Med 13.42%
Fennoscandian 1.37%
French 3.65%
Iberian 13.92%
Italian 20.69%
Near_Eastern 13.77%
North_African 2.53%
North_Atlantic 2.47%
North_Caucasian 1.53%
North_Sea 2.51%
West_Caucasian 3.76%
West_Med 5.19%

I would not bother with K36 as it is weigted in the Iberian area ( to capture the americas)

use MDLP 23b ..............its the last which is of any use......IMO

Thorbjorn
19-05-15, 20:27
I would not bother with K36 as it is weigted in the Iberian area ( to capture the americas)

use MDLP 23b ..............its the last which is of any use......IMO

Thanks, I'll do the MDLP 23b. I thought the Iberian was a bit funny looking.

Vallicanus
11-06-15, 23:43
I would not bother with K36 as it is weigted in the Iberian area ( to capture the americas)

use MDLP 23b ..............its the last which is of any use......IMO


Where is the proof of an Iberian bias in Eurogenes K36?

Sile
12-06-15, 00:31
Where is the proof of an Iberian bias in Eurogenes K36?

No other AuDna calculator, anywhere( and I mean ALL others , even the ones done by professional university etc ) state me more than 4% iberian ...............yet K36 has me at 12% , because he inflated the iberian to capture the spanish americas

Vallicanus
12-06-15, 09:21
Polako/Davidski wrote that the K36 components show more ancient admixture than 23andme results.

Vallicanus
12-06-15, 09:26
Why would the "Spanish Americas" influence his work?

Vallicanus
12-06-15, 10:41
Think of it as "Iberian"-like and ancient, not as "Iberian" in the modern sense.

Deank
14-06-15, 20:09
my results Eurogenes K36

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bvRpJWhKUJImj2XADT620ygMaPbe7QF5sMW6lCi_gTM=w1620-h911-no

Twilight
12-08-15, 22:10
Eurogene K36


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
5.86%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
3.13%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
4.93%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
10.53%


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
2.26%


Fennoscandian
10.54%


French
4.84%


Iberian
10.87%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
11.86%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
17.54%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
16.95%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
0.68%


West_Med
-



Ancestrydna
Great Britain 43% .
Range: 10%-78%

Ireland 21%
Range: 4%-37%

Europe West 13%
Range: 0%-39%

Europe East 9%
Range: 0%-17%

Scandinavia 8%
Range: 0%-23%

Finland/Northwest Russia 2%
Range: 0%-6%

Italy/Greece 2%
Range: 0%-7%

Iberian Peninsula 1%
Range: 0%-6%

Caucasus >1%
Range: 0%-2%

I don't know it's just me but I have a strange feeling that Ancestrydna is similar in some respects to K36 on some populations.

Thorbjorn
27-08-15, 20:48
Wrong section, sorry.

A.Santamaria
09-10-15, 13:32
no! Basque ancestors lived in France most likely in the Loire Atlantique region, they are probably from a group of invading the other branch (the Angles or Old English are the other representatives, the fact is that M153 is a small proportion of Basque is not found that among the English, Basque and Catalan, which demonstrates penetration of group three directions and a little over 2000 years ago, but they are not originales Pyrenees and so what if that. Feit penalty to those who claim.

What i wonder is where the rest of basque is hidden (I guess it's under Iberian)... cause my friends are fully basque and as you can see they only get 25% in Basque.

My k36 results





Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
10.14%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.37%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.12%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
4.66%


East_Med
1.96%


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
3.04%


French
4.14%


Iberian
33.78%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
13.25%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
1.33%


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
7.45%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
7.42%


Northeast_African
1.49%


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.61%


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
5.20%



1st Friend





Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
25.94%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
2.40%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.48%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.70%


Iberian
38.94%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
7.58%


Malayan
0.23%


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
7.04%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
7.47%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
4.22%





2nd Friend







Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
23.28%


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
5.22%


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.22%


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
0.56%


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
1.42%


French
6.09%


Iberian
36.85%


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
8.00%


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
6.66%


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
4.72%


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
0.25%


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
0.19%


Volga-Ural
1.38%


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
4.12%

Marius
06-01-16, 12:42
My results:

North_Sea: 19.66%
Fennsocandian: 13.85%
North_Atlantic 11.53%
Iberian 11.08%
Central_Europe 10.28%
French 9.65%
East_Central_Euro 7.03%
Italian 4.84%
Eastern_Euro 4.79%
West_Caucasian 2.50%
East_Balkan 1.78%
West_Med 0.85%
North_Caucasian 0.78%
Volga_Ural 0.72%
South_Central_Asian 0.32%
Arabian 0.23%
Northeast_African 0.11%

RobertColumbia
21-01-16, 06:30
My results:

Basque 1.17%
Central_Euro 7.80%
East_Balkan 3.25%
East_Central_Euro 3.43%
Eastern_Euro 2.59%
Fennoscandian 12.34%
French 7.42%
Iberian 16.04%
Italian 2.76%
North_Atlantic 13.41%
North_Sea 22.49%
South_Central_Asian 2.04%
Volga-Ural 1.32%
West_Caucasian 3.95%

Everything else is zero.

FunkyWanderer
04-03-16, 15:17
Interesting results,





Iberian
18.22


North_Sea
15.41


North_Atlantic
10.74


French
10.54


Italian
10.27


West_Med
5.06


East_Central_Euro
4.82


Basque
4.74


Eastern_Euro
4.43


North_Caucasian
4.25


East_Balkan
3.58


Central_Euro
3.46


Fennoscandian
2.7


Armenian
1.27


Oceanian
0.48

Angela
04-03-16, 16:40
Interesting results,





Iberian
18.22


North_Sea
15.41


North_Atlantic
10.74


French
10.54


Italian
10.27


West_Med
5.06


East_Central_Euro
4.82


Basque
4.74


Eastern_Euro
4.43


North_Caucasian
4.25


East_Balkan
3.58


Central_Euro
3.46


Fennoscandian
2.7


Armenian
1.27


Oceanian
0.48




I'm afraid that if we don't know your actual ethnicity it's impossible to analyze the results or decide whether it makes any sense

FunkyWanderer
04-03-16, 17:03
I'm afraid that if we don't know your actual ethnicity it's impossible to analyze the results or decide whether it makes any sense


French Canadian, migrated from France in 1648 both paternally and maternally.

Angela
04-03-16, 18:26
French Canadian, migrated from France in 1648 both paternally and maternally.

No marriages with the Irish Canadians, or adoptions, anything like that?

What did that give you in Oracle? I'm assuming something Northwest Euro/British? From everything I've read, a lot of French Canadian settlers came from the Northwest of France, where there's quite a bit of similarity with the British. Is that your take on it as well?

I should have said outright that I'm not very fond of some Admixture calculators, and I'm particularly not fond of this one. Admixture is only as good as the populations you give it. They have to be chosen very carefully. This one, which uses a mishmash of modern and more ancient categories, is very problematic.

Still, if you give it enough regional reference populations, the Oracle results can make sense. The best use of them is to compare oneself with other people of your own background and see where, if anywhere, you differ. Of course, if you're part of the original sample set even that isn't accurate. What people shouldn't do is think that, in your case for example, you have recent Iberian or Italian ancestry.

Ed. Ah, I forgot that there isn't an Oracle for that one, which means the only utility it would have at all is to compare your results with other French Canadians. There's no way of ascertaining whether it places people anywhere near where one would expect.

For comparison purposes, on the Eurogenes 13 calculator, which does have an Oracle function, my fits are very bad (4.8, 5.1 for the first two) even though he has six Italian populations. MDLP 13, on the other hand, gets me down to 1.94 and 2.15, the lowest I've ever gotten, and pretty good for someplace like Italy with so much regional variation.

FunkyWanderer
04-03-16, 19:02
No marriages with the Irish Canadians, or adoptions, anything like that?

For comparison purposes, on the Eurogenes 13 calculator, which does have an Oracle function, my fits are very bad (4.8, 5.1 for the first two) even though he has six Italian populations. MDLP 13, on the other hand, gets me down to 1.94 and 2.15, the lowest I've ever gotten, and pretty good for someplace like Italy with so much regional variation.

I'm sure there's some irish in there somewhere, my mom is a redhead. All the names in my genealogy have been of french or brittish origin and all were french canadian going back to the 1600's. Here's my Eurogenes K13 & Oracle matches

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
43.18


2
West_Med
20.36


3
Baltic
19.29


4
West_Asian
7.03


5
East_Med
6.49


6
Oceanian
1.48


7
Amerindian
0.98


8
Red_Sea
0.96


9
Northeast_African
0.22



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
French
4.95


2
South_Dutch
5.76


3
West_German
6.22


4
Southeast_English
9.77


5
Southwest_English
10.19


6
Spanish_Cataluna
10.71


7
Orcadian
11.75


8
Southwest_French
11.97


9
Spanish_Galicia
12.06


10
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.08


11
Austrian
12.21


12
Spanish_Cantabria
12.23


13
Portuguese
12.3


14
Irish
12.38


15
North_German
12.4


16
North_Dutch
12.72


17
West_Scottish
12.75


18
Danish
13.11


19
Spanish_Valencia
13.51


20
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.53



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

79.3%
West_German
+
20.7%
French_Basque
@
2.98


2

68.1%
West_German
+
31.9%
Southwest_French
@
3.04


3

76.3%
North_Dutch
+
23.7%
Sardinian
@
3.07


4

69.1%
West_German
+
30.9%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
3.3


5

50.4%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
49.6%
North_German
@
3.3


6

51.6%
Spanish_Andalucia
+
48.4%
Swedish
@
3.3


7

76.9%
Irish
+
23.1%
Sardinian
@
3.33


8

71.2%
South_Dutch
+
28.8%
Southwest_French
@
3.41


9

71.7%
South_Dutch
+
28.3%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
3.43


10

55.2%
North_German
+
44.8%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
3.46


11

51%
Southwest_French
+
49%
North_German
@
3.57


12

63.9%
Southwest_English
+
36.1%
North_Italian
@
3.58


13

52.4%
North_German
+
47.6%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
3.59


14

75.9%
Danish
+
24.1%
Sardinian
@
3.63


15

58.8%
Irish
+
41.2%
North_Italian
@
3.64


16

50%
Spanish_Andalucia
+
50%
Norwegian
@
3.66


17

74.1%
West_German
+
25.9%
Spanish_Aragon
@
3.66


18

89.9%
South_Dutch
+
10.1%
Sardinian
@
3.66


19

73.1%
Norwegian
+
26.9%
Sardinian
@
3.7


20

54.6%
North_Dutch
+
45.4%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
3.72

Angela
04-03-16, 19:35
I'm sure there's some irish in there somewhere, my mom is a redhead. All the names in my genealogy have been of french or brittish origin and all were french canadian going back to the 1600's. Here's my Eurogenes K13 & Oracle matches

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
North_Atlantic
43.18


2
West_Med
20.36


3
Baltic
19.29


4
West_Asian
7.03


5
East_Med
6.49


6
Oceanian
1.48


7
Amerindian
0.98


8
Red_Sea
0.96


9
Northeast_African
0.22



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
French
4.95


2
South_Dutch
5.76


3
West_German
6.22


4
Southeast_English
9.77


5
Southwest_English
10.19


6
Spanish_Cataluna
10.71


7
Orcadian
11.75



8
Southwest_French
11.97


9
Spanish_Galicia
12.06


10
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.08


11
Austrian
12.21


12
Spanish_Cantabria
12.23


13
Portuguese
12.3


14
Irish
12.38


15
North_German
12.4


16
North_Dutch
12.72


17
West_Scottish
12.75


18
Danish
13.11


19
Spanish_Valencia
13.51


20
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.53



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

79.3%
West_German
+
20.7%
French_Basque
@
2.98


2

68.1%
West_German
+
31.9%
Southwest_French
@
3.04


3

76.3%
North_Dutch
+
23.7%
Sardinian
@
3.07


4

69.1%
West_German
+
30.9%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
3.3


5

50.4%
Spanish_Cantabria
+
49.6%
North_German
@
3.3


6

51.6%
Spanish_Andalucia
+
48.4%
Swedish
@
3.3


7

76.9%
Irish
+
23.1%
Sardinian
@
3.33


8

71.2%
South_Dutch
+
28.8%
Southwest_French
@
3.41


9

71.7%
South_Dutch
+
28.3%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
3.43


10

55.2%
North_German
+
44.8%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
3.46


11

51%
Southwest_French
+
49%
North_German
@
3.57


12

63.9%
Southwest_English
+
36.1%
North_Italian
@
3.58


13

52.4%
North_German
+
47.6%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
3.59


14

75.9%
Danish
+
24.1%
Sardinian
@
3.63


15

58.8%
Irish
+
41.2%
North_Italian
@
3.64


16

50%
Spanish_Andalucia
+
50%
Norwegian
@
3.66


17

74.1%
West_German
+
25.9%
Spanish_Aragon
@
3.66


18

89.9%
South_Dutch
+
10.1%
Sardinian
@
3.66


19

73.1%
Norwegian
+
26.9%
Sardinian
@
3.7


20

54.6%
North_Dutch
+
45.4%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
3.72




The regular Oracle result isn't bad. As with me, even if the fit isn't great at least he got the right country. I think the K13 may be his best calculator for this sort of thing.

MOESAN
04-03-16, 19:43
Seems a mix of turlips, potatoes, meat, earth and stones...

Angela
04-03-16, 19:49
Seems a mix of turlips, potatoes, meat, earth and stones...

Once you get to Mixed Mode it all falls apart, if that's what you generally meant. :) As I said, I'm not a fan.

FunkyWanderer
04-03-16, 23:24
Seems a mix of turlips, potatoes, meat, earth and stones...


I do like all those things, meat and potatoes are my jet fuel.

AntonK
01-05-16, 18:36
My K36 results:

North_Sea: 15.90
Iberian: 14.08
North_Atlantic: 13.22
French: 12.82
Italian: 12.17
Central_Euro: 8.34
Fennoscandian: 6.09
East_Central_Euro: 5.06
Eastern_Euro: 3.37
Basque: 2.96
West_Med: 2.48
Armenian: 2.31
Volga_Ural: 0.79
South_Central_Asian: 0.42

I'm a bit of a mongrel it seems :laughing:

MINDustry
08-07-16, 23:10
Here are mine. I was surprised at the 2% North African until I realize that ALL Southern Europeans (judging from the Dodecad results) get anywhere between 0-7% North/Northwest African (non-black). It would also appear that I'm quite Italian. I think "Volga-Ural" is a range in Western Russia near Moscow.

So much for my mom telling me I was Polish. The results don't show any Eastern European O__O

My results are basically somebody who is 1/2 Italian and 1/2 British Isles (Ireland, England, Scotland) would get if they took their test.





Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
1.69


Basque
1.95


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
1.34


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.77


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
9.49


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.60


Iberian
9.69


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
21.29


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
2.71


North_African
2.95


North_Atlantic
8.60


North_Caucasian
5.39


North_Sea
17.75


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
1.37


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
5.40

Anglo-Celt
05-08-16, 20:59
My K36 results. It seems to gel well with both my paper trail and the genetic genealogy.
Population
Amerindian 0.13
Basque 2.54
Central_Euro 6.83
East Balkan 2.97
East Central Euro 7.33
Eastern Euro 3.99
Fennoscandian 10.50
French 7.98
Iberian 18.49
Italian 4.36
North Atlantic 14.09
North Caucasian 1.55
North Sea 17.66
West Med 1.57

Tomenable
16-09-16, 00:22
My Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions (I'm fully Polish from this region (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland)):

Population

East_Central_Euro 22.87
Eastern_Euro 13.99
North_Sea 11.81
Central_Euro 9.80
Fennoscandian 9.32
North_Atlantic 8.14
East_Balkan 8.54
Italian 5.96
French 4.93
North_Caucasian 2.15
West_Med 1.20
Basque 0.91
Iberian 0.39

davef
16-09-16, 02:05
5.96 italian? I know its "north italian" but still...

This calculator is weird

Tomenable
16-09-16, 14:40
5.96 italian? I know its "north italian" but still...

Well, at least six percent of civilization in this ocean of Slavo-Germano-Celtic barbarism:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVLGwTggO8U

One of Polish-Lithuanian queens was Italian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_Sforza

Queen Bona gave us "Italian stuff": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirepoix_(cuisine)#Polish_W.C5.82oszczyzna

And my favourite mod Angela is Italian, so I'm glad that I'm also 6% Italian-like. :satisfied: :wink:

davef
16-09-16, 16:13
Or just neolithic farmer genes that you share with north italy. Lol. These categories are so vague! What does being x percent italian,Iberian, or "North Sea" (I guess that's Scandinavian) according to this test really tell you about your heritage when you have nothing from either of those groups?

But then again, your italian could just be shared ancestry with north italy via the northern invaders. I don't know the genetic impact these tribes had on the locals so I could be horribly off.

That italian component was always interesting to me. There are british who get over ten percent. If they are tracking neolithic signals, why not just use Sardinians?

But you get Polish as your top match across every test with a low fit so that's what counts.

You are a certified Polish!

Angela
16-09-16, 16:26
Well, at least six percent of civilization in this ocean of Slavo-Germano-Celtic barbarism:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVLGwTggO8U

One of Polish-Lithuanian queens was Italian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_Sforza

Queen Bona gave us "Italian stuff": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirepoix_(cuisine)#Polish_W.C5.82oszczyzna

And my favourite mod Angela is Italian, so I'm glad that I'm also 6% Italian-like. :satisfied: :wink:

How sweet. :)

Goodness gracious, the Milano court of the Sforza's was very refined, for all that it was presided over by a condottiere; is that all she brought with her...some soup greens? Well, I see one mention of a humanist scholar who went with her, but where are the poets, artists, musicians, etc.? Were they not appreciated? Caterina de Medici did a lot better when she went to France. Interesting that the latter also is remembered for improving the food, however. :) They both also got involved in governance as well, although it seems Caterina was more hated for her efforts. Well, whatever mistakes she made, she was an Italian mother who fought for her sons, no matter what...

Sorry for the digression. Back to genetics.

Have I mentioned that I think this is a terrible calculator? Maybe that's why no Oracle was released with it.

I come out with only about 25% Italian, and the reference population is based on my two population groups: Northern Italians and Toscani in Firenze. (The best fits I've ever gotten are with MDLP...I forget which one. That's just because he has a lot of northern Italian samples. It doesn't mean the break down is any good.)

By the way, Maximus was supposedly a Spaniard, although a more unlikely looking Spaniard I've never seen. That's Hollywood for you. As for the Romans, yes, they did their fair share of butchery, maybe more than their fair share, but that's true of every empire until and sometimes including modern times, yes? At least they brought other things with them. Better than the Huns, whose only contribution to the world was laying huge swathes of it waste, and mountains of skulls, and yet whom some hobbyists seem to be very keen to claim as relatives.

An oldie but a goodie: :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

Dibran
26-09-16, 07:00
This was mine from GedMatch. Which I don't understand. It said I had 1percent Italian and now 30?



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
2.41


Basque
2.74


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
4.97


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
7.48


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
6.10


East_Med
10.53


Eastern_Euro
4.01


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
10.91


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
30.69


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
3.12


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
3.38


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
5.47


West_Med
8.16

hakon
29-10-16, 14:26
HERE is my results, I am Turkish. It is always nice to see other people's results especially who are form eastern, southern europe and middle east. If everyone posts it will be nice to discuss.



Population



East_Med
19.78


North_Caucasian
16.77


Near_Eastern
13.43


South_Central_Asian
9.65


Italian
9.02


West_Caucasian
7.68


Armenian
5.17


North_Sea
3.89


East_Central_Euro
2.82


French
2.79


Iberian
1.44


Central_Euro
1.38


East_Balkan
1.19


Fennoscandian
1.04


West_Med
1.04


East_Asian
1


Siberian
0.84


Amerindian
0.72


Arabian
0.21


South_Chinese
0.12


Basque
0


Central_African
0


East_African
0


Eastern_Euro
0


Indo­Chinese
0


Malayan
0


North_African
0


North_Atlantic
0


Northeast_African
0


Oceanian
0


Omotic
0


Pygmy
0


Volga­Ural
0


West_African
0

Pi gman
04-12-16, 14:32
Anybody know what my origins are??:

Here is my K36

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


This utility uses the Eurogenes K36 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog (http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/eurogenes-k36-at-gedmatch.html).

Kit Number: Elapsed Time: 41.21 seconds






Population



Amerindian
2.74


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
0.94


Central_African
0.07


Central_Euro
7.93


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
3.40


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
5.73


Fennoscandian
4.84


French
4.11


Iberian
16.21


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
8.10


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
0.18


North_Atlantic
17.64


North_Caucasian
5.14


North_Sea
19.43


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
1.04


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.81


West_African
0.76


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
0.92




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162135 SNPs used in this evaluation

davef
04-12-16, 16:32
Hi pi gman, your results are close to Twilight's and he's an English Irish German mix. I'm no expert, and the documentation surrounding these calculators is sketchy at best. My final guess is that you're northwest european.
Here's Twilight's.
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 5.86%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.13%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.93%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.53%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.26%
Fennoscandian 10.54%
French 4.84%
Iberian 10.87%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.86%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.54%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 16.95%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.68%
West_Med -

Pi gman
04-12-16, 17:36
Thanks Dave for you assessment of these numbers.

The only ancestor I have traced across the pond definitely is my Paternal grandmother surname Hays(Hay) from Scotland. The other primary 3 grandparents have not been successfully traced with genealogy.
My Pimond/Pigmon/Pigman surname is said to have been French and the name was Anglicized upon arrival in England circa 1500?? My Mother's side is Jones and Wooton either English or Welsh most likely.

Does this seem to line up with the autosomal?

davef
04-12-16, 18:14
I think it does. It says in your profile you're Greek as well.

Pi gman
04-12-16, 23:06
I think it does. It says in your profile you're Greek as well.

That is due to finding quite a number of exact and GD of 1,2 ect. y-DNA matches on a population study of Phocaea and Smyrnia which was then Greece now Turkey. Also, I have some references to the spelling Pygmon as being Greek. These ancient vineyards and properties were in South France and probably anciently connected with Massalia, ancient name of Marseille, France. (Not anywhere near proof but the facts point that way).

Pi gman
05-12-16, 17:25
That is due to finding quite a number of exact and GD of 1,2 ect. y-DNA matches on a population study of Phocaea and Smyrnia which was then Greece now Turkey. Also, I have some references to the spelling Pygmon as being Greek. These ancient vineyards and properties were in South France and probably anciently connected with Massalia, ancient name of Marseille, France. (Not anywhere near proof but the facts point that way).

Thanks for the read of my oracle.

clarbg
10-12-16, 13:21
british/irish (main ancestry)/german/french

Population
Amerindian 0.46
Arabian-
Armenian-
Basque-
Central_African-
Central_Euro 4.46
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan 1.50
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro 5.87
East_Med-
Eastern_Euro 7.55
Fennoscandian 5.79
French 12.17
Iberian 18.74
Indo-Chinese-
Italian 6.97
Malayan-
Near_Eastern-
North_African-
North_Atlantic 18.34
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea 16.35
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.10
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian 1.47 (noise??)
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural 0.18
West_African-
West_Caucasian-
West_Med-

Joey D
11-12-16, 04:11
Population



Italian
18.97


Near_Eastern
14.61


East_Med
13.24


Iberian
12.01


West_Caucasian
5.90


West_Med
5.77


Armenian
5.54


East_Balkan
5.51


North_Caucasian
5.42


North_Sea
3.82


Arabian
2.74


East_Central_Euro
2.22


North_African
1.85


North_Atlantic
1.29

brianco
11-12-16, 04:32
Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
1.19


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
6.58


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.50


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
8.96


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
3.44


Fennoscandian
11.47


French
4.73


Iberian
12.52


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
10.96


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
16.25


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
19.48


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
1.35


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
1.58

jamt
20-12-16, 20:31
Since I haven't actually done a test kit myself, but I've done all four grandparents... I'll have to use their data all together.


PGM:



Population



Amerindian
14.82


Arabian
1.13


Armenian
1.55


Basque
4.01


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
6.15


East_African
3.97


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.61


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
1.88


East_Med
3.58


Eastern_Euro
0.79


Fennoscandian
1.61


French
7.43


Iberian
14.87


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
5.85


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
1.11


North_African
2.26


North_Atlantic
4.82


North_Caucasian
0.35


North_Sea
1.51


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
0.73


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
14.16


West_Caucasian
2.70


West_Med
3.09





PGF:
Being processed, 23andme says:


99.5%
European

Northwestern European
55.7%
British & Irish
9.2%
French & German
30.7%
Broadly Northwestern European

Southern European
0.1%
Iberian
0.7%
Broadly Southern European
0.8%
Eastern European
2.2%
Broadly European
0.3%
Sub-Saharan African
0.1%
West African
0.2%
Broadly Sub-Saharan African
0.2%
Middle Eastern & North African
0.1%
North African
< 0.1%
Broadly Middle Eastern & North African
< 0.1%
Unassigned




MGM:



Population



Amerindian
0.52


Arabian
0.53


Armenian
1.55


Basque
0.26


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
3.90


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
7.43


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
9.16


Fennoscandian
2.64


French
6.19


Iberian
12.40


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
5.00


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
15.33


North_Caucasian
4.00


North_Sea
9.83


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
15.83


South_Central_Asian
5.08


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.22


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
0.11


West_Med
-




MGF:



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
2.13


Central_African
0.65


Central_Euro
2.13


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
4.34


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
7.25


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
5.66


French
6.10


Iberian
11.47


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
16.78


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
10.94


North_Caucasian
3.52


North_Sea
15.08


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
0.69


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
3.27


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
8.79


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
1.16




So, basically.. Mongreloid.

23andme and Eugogenes K36 give quite different results in some cases, though. I am a real amateur when it comes to DNA anything.

The Iberian and Italian on the MGM results doesn't show up in 23andme at all..

davef
20-12-16, 23:42
You're everything

New Englander
21-12-16, 01:28
Basque 0.34
Eastern_Euro 0.69
Volga-Ural 1.26
South_Central_Asian 1.30
East_Central_Euro 1.40
Fennoscandian 1.42
North_Caucasian 2.11
Arabian 2.88
West_Caucasian 3.22
West_Med 3.51
North_Sea 3.88
French 4.50
Central_Euro 4.76
East_Balkan 5.10
Armenian 5.31
North_Atlantic 6.55
Near_Eastern 7.22
Iberian 7.60
East_Med 16.40
Italian 20.56

kingjohn
22-12-16, 17:01
everyone got very cool results :)
here is mine :
{ no north atlantic , north sea, finnish at all } :(
Population
Amerindian-
Arabian 2.80
Armenian 5.17
Basque-
Central_African-
Central_Euro 4.36
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan 4.51
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro 4.50
East_Med 16.16
Eastern_Euro1.01
Fennoscandian-
French0.55
Iberian 14.73
Indo-Chinese-
Italian 14.60
Malayan-
Near_Eastern 14.89
North_African 2.14
North_Atlantic0.56
North_Caucasian 6.52
North_Sea-
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian 1.70
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian 1.80
West_Med 4.01

best regards
adam

p.s
dear valerius can you please post yours i am intrested to see vlach eurogenes k36 results :)

selectivememri
16-01-17, 19:02
I'm macedonian, here's mine
Population





Amerindian
-


Arabian
0.29


Armenian
3.66


Basque
3.88


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
5.25


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.42


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
9.37


East_Med
5.43


Eastern_Euro
10.67


Fennoscandian
2.78


French
4.64


Iberian
3.14


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
23.84


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
7.80


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
5.10


North_Caucasian
3.33


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
1.00


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
1.60


West_Med
2.76

selectivememri
16-01-17, 19:37
kingjohn, I'm macedonian however a lot of the modules on gedmatch plot me closer to romanian than macedonian at times... considering how high the italian percentage is in my k36 breakdown, i might venture a guess that there is some vlach ancestry there, incase you're curious! :)

Dibran
24-01-17, 00:58
kingjohn, I'm macedonian however a lot of the modules on gedmatch plot me closer to romanian than macedonian at times... considering how high the italian percentage is in my k36 breakdown, i might venture a guess that there is some vlach ancestry there, incase you're curious! :)


How are these percentages determined anyway? Genetic distance on other calculators seem distant for Italian. Yet my result is roughly 30 percent for the Italian.

Dibran
24-01-17, 01:02
kingjohn, I'm macedonian however a lot of the modules on gedmatch plot me closer to romanian than macedonian at times... considering how high the italian percentage is in my k36 breakdown, i might venture a guess that there is some vlach ancestry there, incase you're curious! :)


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.41
Basque 2.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.97
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.48
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.10
East_Med 10.53
Eastern_Euro 4.01
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian 10.91
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 30.69
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 3.12
North_African -
North_Atlantic 3.38
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.47
West_Med 8.16

Azzurro
24-01-17, 18:50
My Results

Population
Amerindian-
Arabian 2.82
Armenian 3.24
Basque 1.27
Central_African-
Central_Euro3.01
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan 7.29
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro 0.60
East_Med 19.82
Eastern_Euro-
Fennoscandian-
French 2.00
Iberian 15.27
Indo-Chinese-
Italian 20.50
Malayan-
Near_Eastern 11.69
North_African 3.11
North_Atlantic 0.38
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea 3.16
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian0.94
West_Med4.91

Does it make sense that my East Med is really high? I noticed from looking at the other posts that I have the most, and what is the sample for the Italian?

New Englander
25-01-17, 00:02
^ I think its the combined Near Eastern East Med that is kinda high. I have 16% East Med, and Im still between Tuscans and Jews. Joey had less East med, but way more Near Eastern, and Caucasian. You on the other hand, little Caucasian, and Armenian. You average out the same, but you have a different regional mix. Basically, you have more Cyprus and less West Asian.

Azzurro
25-01-17, 03:53
^ I think its the combined Near Eastern East Med that is kinda high. I have 16% East Med, and Im still between Tuscans and Jews. Joey had less East med, but way more Near Eastern, and Caucasian. You on the other hand, little Caucasian, and Armenian. You average out the same, but you have a different regional mix. Basically, you have more Cyprus and less West Asian.

Makes sense what you are saying, ironically if you add all my Near Eastern, East Med, Caucasian, North African, Armenian and Arabian it equals only 3% more Middle Eastern than Ftdna and Nat Geo gives me, possibly there is something in this calculator? Dating ancient and more recent migrations, I would think that my increased East Med has to do with my Y-line.

kevingnet
28-02-17, 06:06
The reason could be that because iberians share same ancestry with Germans, specifically EEHG, and because it is found in both modern populations, it would not be easy to separate origin from either, since the origin is actually in both, therefore the denomination is shared, which imo is correct.

kevingnet
28-02-17, 06:06
Absolutely nothing;
Considering that the source (Eurogense) is just an amateur/hobby internet blog and not a serious academic source; Get tested by a proper institution and dont even bother with such iss;

The reason could be that because iberians share same ancestry with Germans, specifically EEHG, and because it is found in both modern populations, it would not be easy to separate origin from either, since the origin is actually in both, therefore the denomination is shared, which imo is correct.

jacobalan
11-03-17, 22:19
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


This utility uses the Eurogenes K36 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog.

Kit Number: T316082 Elapsed Time: 41.76 seconds


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.81
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.02
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.11
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.48
East_Med 0.57
Eastern_Euro 3.58
Fennoscandian 10.97
French 9.48
Iberian 9.88
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.38
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.19
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 17.23
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 2.30




Web site and contents ©Copyright 2011-2017 by GEDmatch, Inc.
Genealogy and DNA data remains the property of the submitter.
Each Admixture Proportions 'calculator' model remains the property of its developer.

161927 SNPs used in this evaluation

Fire Haired14
03-04-17, 10:01
Mesolithic Georgia. Kotias.


Amerindian

-


Arabian
-


Armenian
1.39


Basque
-


Central_African
2.25


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
-


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
47.96


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
10.17


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
38.24


West_Med
-



Neolithic Iran.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
12.74


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
5.22


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
-


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
2.33


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
65.71


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
0.89


West_Caucasian
13.10


West_Med
-



Natufian.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
33.89


Armenian
-


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
10.84


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
-


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
16.30


North_African
19.86


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
7.46


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
11.65



Barcin Neolithic.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
3.42


Armenian
-


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
21.37


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
7.12


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
32.35


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
5.48


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
30.28




EHG.


Amerindian
10.37


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
18.50


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
24.31


Fennoscandian
24.16


French
-


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
-


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
1.03


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
8.31


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
4.45


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
8.88


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
-

Fire Haired14
03-04-17, 10:08
Neolithic Ireland.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
6.05


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.49


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
2.46


Iberian
37.58


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
23.66


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
4.96


North_Atlantic
1.46


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
23.3




Neolithic Germany.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
8.65


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
0.12


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
4.31


Iberian
27.38


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
30.62


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
1.43


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
27.48




Chalcolithic Spain. Notes the drop in Italian, raise in Iberian.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
11.56


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
0.08


Iberian
52.24


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
3.72


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
32.4




Chalcolithic Italy.


Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
9.34


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
-


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
-


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
-


Fennoscandian
-


French
-


Iberian
28.02


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
28.18


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
-


North_Caucasian
-


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
34.4

Mumfordikus
16-04-17, 04:21
Here are my results... What do you guys think?

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.61
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.14
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.23
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.27
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.38
Fennoscandian 7.56
French 11.52
Iberian 10.69
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.89
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.76
North_Caucasian 0.84
North_Sea 17.06
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Sile
22-04-17, 22:23
I ran mine via the new russian system for K36 ..........with gaussian

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is Chttp://www.anthrogenica.com/images/smilies1/ohwell.gifUsers\Public\Documents\k36_v1_.txt
36 components mode.
Population data has been read. 262 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Test2.txt
Threshold of components set to 0.25%


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 8.40642
2 IT_North @ 10.091398
3 IT_Friuli @ 11.060478
4 CH_Ticino @ 12.11176
5 IT_Tuscany @ 12.531345
6 IT_MArche @ 12.987449
7 Albania_Montenegro @ 13.06503
8 Austria_Tyrol @ 13.71578
9 FR_Corsica @ 14.508511
10 Kosovo @ 14.732761
11 Albania_North @ 14.791883
12 France_South @ 15.113475
13 Montenegrian @ 15.134926
14 Albania_FYROM @ 15.421311
15 Gr_Eubea @ 15.812344
16 Romania @ 15.841008
17 Albania_South @ 15.864031
18 France @ 15.916622
19 Greek_Macedonia @ 16.586029
20 German @ 16.691566
262 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 8.40642
2 FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 8.739587
3 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 8.819667
4 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 9.005173
5 FR_Corsica+German_SouthWest @ 9.125312
6 FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 9.152439
7 FR_Corsica+German @ 9.171791
8 Albania_South+France_NorthWest @ 9.175757
9 IT_MArche+Austria_Tyrol @ 9.226387
10 Albania_North+France @ 9.273437
11 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto @ 9.276563
12 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 9.283377
13 Albania_North+France_South @ 9.301463
14 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 9.307572
15 IT_Tuscany+German @ 9.348928
16 Albania_North+France_NorthWest @ 9.374347
17 Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWest @ 9.389754
18 Albania_Montenegro+France_South @ 9.396194
19 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 9.408374
20 IT_Tuscany+Man_Isle @ 9.420002
34453 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.706448
2 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.796649
3 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Friuli +25% Orcadian @ 7.80755
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Man_Isle @ 7.834153
5 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% Orcadian @ 7.844232
6 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 7.86419
7 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_North +25% Orcadian @ 7.908374
8 50% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.969025
9 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Friuli +25% Scotland @ 8.001149
10 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% Scotland @ 8.001901
11 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 8.009426
12 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 8.013193
13 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% German_SouthWest @ 8.014835
14 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Orcadian @ 8.02725
15 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 8.04483
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 8.062524
17 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% German @ 8.078553
18 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_North +25% Orcadian @ 8.081337
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_MArche +25% Man_Isle @ 8.084966
20 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Scotland @ 8.09227
5724765 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.626517
2 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Scotland @ 7.677429
3 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.679282
4 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.706448
5 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Ireland @ 7.710502
6 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.711674
7 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.729475
8 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.735922
9 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Scotland @ 7.748646
10 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.773242
11 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Scotland @ 7.77631
12 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.787271
13 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.796649
14 IT_Tuscany+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.798735
15 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 7.801078
16 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 7.802114
17 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Wales @ 7.803624
18 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Ireland @ 7.805692
19 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.80755
20 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.807696
21 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Orcadian @ 7.81603
22 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.833217
23 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 7.834153
24 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+British_mixed @ 7.83623
25 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.843071
26 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+Orcadian @ 7.844232
27 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.852348
28 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.86419
29 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 7.870779
30 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Scotland @ 7.894226
31 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Wales @ 7.899939
32 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Man_Isle @ 7.906332
33 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.908139
34 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.908374
35 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+Orcadian @ 7.910378
36 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Scotland @ 7.912316
37 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+British_mixed @ 7.915588
38 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Ireland @ 7.916662
39 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Scotland @ 7.923726
40 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 7.929453
95110100 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
2 IT_North @ 4.648118
3 IT_Friuli @ 4.743381
4 Albania_Montenegro @ 5.306202
5 IT_Tuscany @ 5.728056
6 Austria_Tyrol @ 5.732148
7 Albania_North @ 5.780548
8 Montenegrian @ 5.845064
9 Albania_FYROM @ 6.066909
10 Kosovo @ 6.136393
11 Serbian @ 6.201231
12 Macedonia @ 6.234121
13 Romania @ 6.360973
14 Spain_average @ 6.626297
15 Greek_Macedonia @ 6.849896
16 Croatian @ 6.961015
17 Man_Isle @ 6.969322
18 Albania_South @ 6.984576
19 Greek_Peloponnes @ 7.022553
20 German @ 7.067355
262 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
2 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 4.262868
3 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 4.289089
4 GR_Epirus+France_NorthWest @ 4.307074
5 GR_Epirus+FR_Normandy @ 4.336332
6 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 4.343393
7 Albania_North+France_NorthWest @ 4.409826
8 Albania_North+FR_Normandy @ 4.424372
9 IT_North+IT_Friuli @ 4.428897
10 CH_Ticino+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.434142
11 FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.439899
12 Albania_North+France @ 4.441838
13 IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.459291
14 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 4.47319
15 FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.4741
16 FR_Corsica+German_Volga @ 4.496637
17 IT_Veneto+Albania_North @ 4.503044
18 FR_Corsica+France @ 4.50608
19 Gr_Eubea+France_NorthWest @ 4.512985
20 IT_Friuli+CH_Ticino @ 4.515159
34453 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.082925
2 50% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino +25% Macedonia @ 4.095143
3 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.108961
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.128966
5 50% IT_Veneto +25% GR_Epirus +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.149432
6 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia @ 4.149564
7 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Macedonia @ 4.152768
8 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% British_mixed @ 4.153735
9 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino @ 4.157237
10 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Austria @ 4.16361
11 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Veneto +25% Austria @ 4.163792
12 50% FR_Corsica +25% Serbian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.168548
13 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France @ 4.171438
14 50% FR_Corsica +25% Slovenian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.171823
15 50% Albania_Montenegro +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.172534
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% CH_Ticino @ 4.174857
17 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica @ 4.174878
18 50% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino +25% Albania_North @ 4.17961
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% Macedonia @ 4.18157
20 50% IT_Veneto +25% Albania_North +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.184749
7293756 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.053541
2 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.070766
3 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.082925
4 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.094082
5 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 4.094526
6 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino+Macedonia @ 4.095143
7 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+France_NorthWes t @ 4.108961
8 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+FR_Normandy @ 4.116827
9 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.120587
10 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.124819
11 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+France_NorthWest @ 4.126058
12 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.128966
13 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.13073
14 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.132115
15 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+British_mixed @ 4.133187
16 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
17 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.142241
18 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.143728
19 GR_Epirus+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_NorthWest @ 4.149432
20 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia @ 4.149564
21 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Macedonia @ 4.152768
22 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Wales @ 4.153613
23 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+British_mixed @ 4.153735
24 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.154208
25 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 4.157237
26 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France @ 4.157854
27 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.159378
28 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nort hWest @ 4.16123
29 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.16361
30 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Macedonia @ 4.1637
31 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.163792
32 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Serbian+France_NorthWest @ 4.168548
33 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+British_mixed @ 4.169577
34 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+British_mi xed @ 4.169738
35 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France @ 4.171438
36 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Slovenian+France_NorthWest @ 4.171823
37 FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Albania_Montenegro+F rance_NorthWest @ 4.172534
38 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+Belgium @ 4.172686
39 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+CH_Ticino @ 4.174857
40 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 4.174878
200713330 iterations.


-Albania_Montenegro = Venetian Albania which is coastal Montenegro today.......inner Montenegro as per Venetian archives where comprised of 2 "duchies" , Hum and Zeta made up of Croatian and Serbian peoples.
-IT-North = Lombardy and Piedmont regions.
-GR_Epirus includes Corfu.
-CH_Ticino includes East-Swiss.
-Austrian_Tyrol includes North and East Tyrol.
-Albania_FYROM = Macedonian Albanian or Western Macedonia.
-Albania_South = Tosk Albanians.
-IT_Veneto includes South Tyrol.

Pratt
23-04-17, 00:38
-IT-North = Lombardy and Piedmont regions.
-CH_Ticino includes East-Swiss.
-IT_Veneto includes South Tyrol.


As I know, IT_North is a mix of Northern Italians, CH_Ticino are Italians from Canton Ticino, IT_Veneto are only Italians from Veneto.

selectivememri
23-04-17, 00:54
Sile, may I ask what your approx ancestry is? It's hard to tell from the oracle, also, how does one get on this new fangled system and get it to spit out gaussian results? i assume its behind a pay wall but i want in

Sile
23-04-17, 01:52
Sile, may I ask what your approx ancestry is? It's hard to tell from the oracle, also, how does one get on this new fangled system and get it to spit out gaussian results? i assume its behind a pay wall but i want in

Registry records from 1475 to present

1475 Trentino/south Tyrol to ~1640 ..............towns of Dermulo, Smarano, tres, Val di Sol and Magre`

1640 to present Treviso province in Veneto italy ..............towns of Schio ( vicenza) , Montebelluna, Trevignano, Paese, Morgano, Ponzano Veneto, Falze`and Villorba

it is not behind a paywall


http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/

Tomenable
23-04-17, 13:58
I'm going to publish the Oracle files on Eupedia very soon. Just wait a bit.

I will start a separate thread about it. :)

MsJ
29-04-17, 02:55
Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
2.98


Central_African
0.16


Central_Euro
5.09


East_African
0.06


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.70


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
6.84


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
4.55


Fennoscandian
7.57


French
6.13


Iberian
13.76


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
10.39


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
16.35


North_Caucasian
4.58


North_Sea
17.34


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
0.74


Siberian
-


South_Asian
1.71


South_Central_Asian
0.34


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
0.63




I am an American who learned she is not a Cherokee princess. (Some of you will get that joke) I am still trying to get a handle on what is really happening here. I know some of it is noise and to take it with a grain of salt. As a 5'10" woman the Pygmy hit did make me giggle. :)

Tomenable
29-04-17, 12:32
As you noticed Pygmy is rather incorrect, but together with Central African and East African it is 0.96% of Sub-Saharan African, which in my opinion is not noise (in other words - most certainly your SSA is not from actual Pygmies, but you do have around 1% of Sub-Saharan, it seems).

I will give you an example of SSA that another North American person I know scores:

Eurogenes K36 (23andMe kit) - 0.99% Central African
Eurogenes K36 (Ancestry kit) - 1.12% Central African

23andMe before phasing - 1.1% West African
23andMe after phasing - 1.1% West African
Ancestry.com DNA - 1% Southeastern African

DNA Land (23andMe raw data) - 1.3% West African
WeGene old (23andMe transfer) - 0.30% African
WeGene new (23andMe transfer) - 0.10% African (Mbuti)

MsJ
29-04-17, 15:16
As you noticed Pygmy is rather incorrect, but together with Central African and East African it is 0.96% of Sub-Saharan African, which in my opinion is not noise (in other words - most certainly your SSA is not from actual Pygmies, but you do have around 1% of Sub-Saharan, it seems).

I will give you an example of SSA that another North American person I know scores:

Eurogenes K36 (23andMe kit) - 0.99% Central African
Eurogenes K36 (Ancestry kit) - 1.12% Central African

23andMe before phasing - 1.1% West African
23andMe after phasing - 1.1% West African
Ancestry.com DNA - 1% Southeastern African

DNA Land (23andMe raw data) - 1.3% West African
WeGene old (23andMe transfer) - 0.30% African
WeGene new (23andMe transfer) - 0.10% African (Mbuti)

Thank you! I do feel like it could be something or noise since it was common to have some non European blood. I ran it through DNA Land and got the following:

100% West Eurasian
46% NW European
25% SW European
23% NE European of which 18% is Slavic and 5.4% is Finnish
4.1% South Central European
1.1% Ambiguous West Eurasian

I will keep playing around with the calculators. On Interpretome I do not cluster on the European chart, but do on the Mideast and Asian ones around Turkey.

davef
29-04-17, 16:33
Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
2.98


Central_African
0.16


Central_Euro
5.09


East_African
0.06


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.70


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
6.84


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
4.55


Fennoscandian
7.57


French
6.13


Iberian
13.76


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
10.39


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
16.35


North_Caucasian
4.58


North_Sea
17.34


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
0.74


Siberian
-


South_Asian
1.71


South_Central_Asian
0.34


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
0.63




I am an American who learned she is not a Cherokee princess. (Some of you will get that joke) I am still trying to get a handle on what is really happening here. I know some of it is noise and to take it with a grain of salt. As a 5'10" woman the Pygmy hit did make me giggle. :)

It says "unknown" in your ethnic group list, is it that you couldn't trace back far enough down one of your lines?

And yes, you score a flat zero under Amerindian, so your only hope is to walk through a genealogy study ...bump into a Native American down one of many lines and you win (I'll add that I'm not quite sure if that would be enough to qualify for tribal membership).

MsJ
29-04-17, 18:35
It says "unknown" in your ethnic group list, is it that you couldn't trace back far enough down one of your lines?

And yes, you score a flat zero under Amerindian, so your only hope is to walk through a genealogy study ...bump into a Native American down one of many lines and you win (I'll add that I'm not quite sure if that would be enough to qualify for tribal membership).

Thank you for replying! Only half of my lines are well documented back to our immigrants. 1/4 are completely unknown due to adoption and 1/4 are known back to my great great grandparents. I do have a great grandmother who looked the part, lived in the right place and passed on olive skin. I have the genetic mutation for dry earwax, my mother and I both had Mongolian spots and I have a submucosal cleft and bifid uvula. I have no interest in tribal membership, just curiosity about our family stories. I will keep digging.

Tomenable
29-04-17, 19:22
And yes, you score a flat zero under AmerindianK36 alone is not conclusive, I would recommend also MDLP World-22.

MsJ
29-04-17, 20:02
K36 alone is not conclusive, I would recommend also MDLP World-22.
I don't know if it's proper to keep posting my results in this thread? i did run MDLP World-22. It was still pretty much a null value:

Population



Pygmy
0.50


West-Asian
8.72


North-European-Mesolithic
5.18


Indo-Tibetan
0.41


Mesoamerican
-


Arctic-Amerind
0.09


South-America_Amerind
-


Indian
-


North-Siberean
-


Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic
32.83


Samoedic
1.41


Indo-Iranian
2.74


East-Siberean
-


North-East-European
43.90


South-African
0.23


North-Amerind
-


Sub-Saharian
0.45


East-South-Asian
-


Near_East
3.04


Melanesian
0.51


Paleo-Siberian
-


Austronesian
-

Sile
02-05-17, 05:26
I ran mine via the new russian system for K36 ..........with gaussian

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is Chttp://www.anthrogenica.com/images/smilies1/ohwell.gifUsers\Public\Documents\k36_v1_.txt
36 components mode.
Population data has been read. 262 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Test2.txt
Threshold of components set to 0.25%


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 8.40642
2 IT_North @ 10.091398
3 IT_Friuli @ 11.060478
4 CH_Ticino @ 12.11176
5 IT_Tuscany @ 12.531345
6 IT_MArche @ 12.987449
7 Albania_Montenegro @ 13.06503
8 Austria_Tyrol @ 13.71578
9 FR_Corsica @ 14.508511
10 Kosovo @ 14.732761
11 Albania_North @ 14.791883
12 France_South @ 15.113475
13 Montenegrian @ 15.134926
14 Albania_FYROM @ 15.421311
15 Gr_Eubea @ 15.812344
16 Romania @ 15.841008
17 Albania_South @ 15.864031
18 France @ 15.916622
19 Greek_Macedonia @ 16.586029
20 German @ 16.691566
262 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 8.40642
2 FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 8.739587
3 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 8.819667
4 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 9.005173
5 FR_Corsica+German_SouthWest @ 9.125312
6 FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 9.152439
7 FR_Corsica+German @ 9.171791
8 Albania_South+France_NorthWest @ 9.175757
9 IT_MArche+Austria_Tyrol @ 9.226387
10 Albania_North+France @ 9.273437
11 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto @ 9.276563
12 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 9.283377
13 Albania_North+France_South @ 9.301463
14 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 9.307572
15 IT_Tuscany+German @ 9.348928
16 Albania_North+France_NorthWest @ 9.374347
17 Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWest @ 9.389754
18 Albania_Montenegro+France_South @ 9.396194
19 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 9.408374
20 IT_Tuscany+Man_Isle @ 9.420002
34453 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.706448
2 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.796649
3 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Friuli +25% Orcadian @ 7.80755
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Man_Isle @ 7.834153
5 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% Orcadian @ 7.844232
6 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 7.86419
7 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_North +25% Orcadian @ 7.908374
8 50% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.969025
9 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Friuli +25% Scotland @ 8.001149
10 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% Scotland @ 8.001901
11 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 8.009426
12 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 8.013193
13 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% German_SouthWest @ 8.014835
14 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Orcadian @ 8.02725
15 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 8.04483
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 8.062524
17 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% German @ 8.078553
18 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_North +25% Orcadian @ 8.081337
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_MArche +25% Man_Isle @ 8.084966
20 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Scotland @ 8.09227
5724765 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.626517
2 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Scotland @ 7.677429
3 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.679282
4 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.706448
5 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Ireland @ 7.710502
6 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.711674
7 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.729475
8 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.735922
9 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Scotland @ 7.748646
10 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.773242
11 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Scotland @ 7.77631
12 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.787271
13 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.796649
14 IT_Tuscany+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.798735
15 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 7.801078
16 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 7.802114
17 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Wales @ 7.803624
18 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Ireland @ 7.805692
19 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.80755
20 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.807696
21 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Orcadian @ 7.81603
22 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.833217
23 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 7.834153
24 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+British_mixed @ 7.83623
25 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.843071
26 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+Orcadian @ 7.844232
27 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.852348
28 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.86419
29 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 7.870779
30 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Scotland @ 7.894226
31 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Wales @ 7.899939
32 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Man_Isle @ 7.906332
33 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.908139
34 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.908374
35 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+Orcadian @ 7.910378
36 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Scotland @ 7.912316
37 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+British_mixed @ 7.915588
38 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Ireland @ 7.916662
39 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Scotland @ 7.923726
40 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Man_Isle @ 7.929453
95110100 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
2 IT_North @ 4.648118
3 IT_Friuli @ 4.743381
4 Albania_Montenegro @ 5.306202
5 IT_Tuscany @ 5.728056
6 Austria_Tyrol @ 5.732148
7 Albania_North @ 5.780548
8 Montenegrian @ 5.845064
9 Albania_FYROM @ 6.066909
10 Kosovo @ 6.136393
11 Serbian @ 6.201231
12 Macedonia @ 6.234121
13 Romania @ 6.360973
14 Spain_average @ 6.626297
15 Greek_Macedonia @ 6.849896
16 Croatian @ 6.961015
17 Man_Isle @ 6.969322
18 Albania_South @ 6.984576
19 Greek_Peloponnes @ 7.022553
20 German @ 7.067355
262 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
2 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 4.262868
3 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 4.289089
4 GR_Epirus+France_NorthWest @ 4.307074
5 GR_Epirus+FR_Normandy @ 4.336332
6 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 4.343393
7 Albania_North+France_NorthWest @ 4.409826
8 Albania_North+FR_Normandy @ 4.424372
9 IT_North+IT_Friuli @ 4.428897
10 CH_Ticino+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.434142
11 FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.439899
12 Albania_North+France @ 4.441838
13 IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.459291
14 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 4.47319
15 FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.4741
16 FR_Corsica+German_Volga @ 4.496637
17 IT_Veneto+Albania_North @ 4.503044
18 FR_Corsica+France @ 4.50608
19 Gr_Eubea+France_NorthWest @ 4.512985
20 IT_Friuli+CH_Ticino @ 4.515159
34453 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.082925
2 50% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino +25% Macedonia @ 4.095143
3 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.108961
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.128966
5 50% IT_Veneto +25% GR_Epirus +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.149432
6 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia @ 4.149564
7 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Macedonia @ 4.152768
8 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% British_mixed @ 4.153735
9 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino @ 4.157237
10 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Austria @ 4.16361
11 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Veneto +25% Austria @ 4.163792
12 50% FR_Corsica +25% Serbian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.168548
13 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France @ 4.171438
14 50% FR_Corsica +25% Slovenian +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.171823
15 50% Albania_Montenegro +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.172534
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% CH_Ticino @ 4.174857
17 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica @ 4.174878
18 50% IT_Veneto +25% CH_Ticino +25% Albania_North @ 4.17961
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% Macedonia @ 4.18157
20 50% IT_Veneto +25% Albania_North +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.184749
7293756 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.053541
2 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.070766
3 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.082925
4 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.094082
5 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 4.094526
6 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino+Macedonia @ 4.095143
7 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+France_NorthWes t @ 4.108961
8 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+FR_Normandy @ 4.116827
9 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.120587
10 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.124819
11 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+France_NorthWest @ 4.126058
12 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.128966
13 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.13073
14 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.132115
15 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+British_mixed @ 4.133187
16 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.137262
17 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.142241
18 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France_NorthWest @ 4.143728
19 GR_Epirus+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+France_NorthWest @ 4.149432
20 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia @ 4.149564
21 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Macedonia @ 4.152768
22 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Wales @ 4.153613
23 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+British_mixed @ 4.153735
24 CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.154208
25 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino @ 4.157237
26 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+France @ 4.157854
27 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.159378
28 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nort hWest @ 4.16123
29 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.16361
30 IT_Veneto+CH_Ticino+FR_Corsica+Macedonia @ 4.1637
31 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.163792
32 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Serbian+France_NorthWest @ 4.168548
33 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+British_mixed @ 4.169577
34 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+British_mi xed @ 4.169738
35 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France @ 4.171438
36 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Slovenian+France_NorthWest @ 4.171823
37 FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Albania_Montenegro+F rance_NorthWest @ 4.172534
38 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia+Belgium @ 4.172686
39 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+CH_Ticino @ 4.174857
40 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 4.174878
200713330 iterations.


-Albania_Montenegro = Venetian Albania which is coastal Montenegro today.......inner Montenegro as per Venetian archives where comprised of 2 "duchies" , Hum and Zeta made up of Croatian and Serbian peoples.
-IT-North = Lombardy and Piedmont regions.
-GR_Epirus includes Corfu.
-CH_Ticino includes East-Swiss.
-Austrian_Tyrol includes North and East Tyrol.
-Albania_FYROM = Macedonian Albanian or Western Macedonia.
-Albania_South = Tosk Albanians.
-IT_Veneto includes South Tyrol.


my new one below after they added a lot of alpine samples

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 8.091963
2 IT_Friuli @ 9.081274
3 IT_North @ 10.621807
4 IT_Aosta @ 12.090056
5 Swiss_Italian @ 12.333264
6 IT_Tuscany @ 12.406938
7 Albania_Montenegro @ 12.781293
8 IT_MArche @ 13.100666
9 Austria_Tyrol @ 13.542692
10 Kosovo @ 14.269482
11 Albania_North @ 14.421929
12 Swiss_German @ 14.535418
13 FR_Corsica @ 14.680493
14 Montenegrian @ 14.97288
15 Albania_FYROM @ 15.077866
16 Gr_Eubea @ 15.620667
17 Albania_South @ 15.682893
18 Romania @ 16.090458
19 Macedonia_FYROM @ 16.224163
20 France @ 16.338026
280 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 8.091963
2 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 8.182389
3 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 8.658207
4 FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 8.748469
5 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 8.797597
6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto @ 8.825055
7 IT_Friuli+IT_Friuli @ 9.081274
8 Albania_South+France_NorthWest @ 9.095247
9 IT_Aosta+Albania_Montenegro @ 9.129049
10 IT_MArche+Austria_Tyrol @ 9.178713
11 IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 9.217199
12 IT_North+IT_Friuli @ 9.21809
13 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 9.228826
14 IT_Tuscany+Austria_Tyrol @ 9.239099
15 FR_Corsica+German_SouthWest @ 9.25053
16 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 9.252829
17 FR_Corsica+German_South @ 9.287459
18 IT_Aosta+Macedonia_FYROM @ 9.313789
19 IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 9.315699
20 Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWest @ 9.350775
39340 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.779374
2 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_MArche +25% IT_Veneto @ 7.819834
3 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica @ 7.841796
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% Austria_Tyrol @ 7.903417
5 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.904704
6 50% FR_Corsica +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Scotland @ 7.90917
7 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.912473
8 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 7.92224
9 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% FR_Corsica @ 7.964017
10 50% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.965322
11 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Tuscany +25% IT_Veneto @ 7.982771
12 50% FR_Corsica +25% IT_Veneto +25% Orcadian @ 7.985447
13 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Albania_North +25% Orcadian @ 7.991797
14 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Orcadian @ 7.994097
15 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Macedonia_FYROM +25% Scotland @ 7.999849
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_MArche +25% IT_Friuli @ 8.008588
17 50% FR_Corsica +25% Albania_Montenegro +25% Orcadian @ 8.028091
18 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% German_SouthWest @ 8.028463
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli @ 8.028691
20 50% FR_Corsica +25% Montenegrian +25% Orcadian @ 8.046777
6795623 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.671351
2 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.676476
3 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.698178
4 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Scotland @ 7.72227
5 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+France_NorthW est @ 7.742991
6 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+Scotland @ 7.745478
7 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 7.751605
8 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.766738
9 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.766789
10 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.779374
11 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Orcadian @ 7.79371
12 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Ireland @ 7.807153
13 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 7.819834
14 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 7.821838
15 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.839677
16 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 7.841796
17 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.845086
18 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Wales @ 7.857418
19 Swiss_Italian+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.858885
20 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+British_mixed @ 7.860325
21 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+France_North West @ 7.874126
22 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Scotland @ 7.887098
23 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+Orcadian @ 7.888233
24 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Scotland @ 7.900873
25 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 7.903417
26 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.904704
27 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+Scotland @ 7.90917
28 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+Orcadian @ 7.912473
29 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+Albania_Montenegro+Orcadian @ 7.92224
30 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+British_mixe d @ 7.923547
31 IT_Tuscany+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+Wales @ 7.931933
32 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_South+Scotland @ 7.943106
33 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 7.944234
34 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 7.944272
35 Gr_Eubea+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.951685
36 IT_Tuscany+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Orcadian @ 7.958233
37 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica @ 7.964017
38 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+Orcadian @ 7.965322
39 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+England @ 7.96993
40 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 7.982771
115650726 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Veneto @ 3.897857
2 IT_Friuli @ 4.339777
3 IT_North @ 4.509146
4 Albania_Montenegro @ 5.222204
5 IT_Aosta @ 5.235048
6 IT_Tuscany @ 5.591968
7 Austria_Tyrol @ 5.655279
8 Montenegrian @ 5.752066
9 Spain_Andalusia @ 5.832917
10 Albania_North @ 5.927732
11 Albania_FYROM @ 5.957468
12 Kosovo @ 6.038759
13 Serbian @ 6.221819
14 Spain_Baleares @ 6.399186
15 Bosnian @ 6.479753
16 Spain_average @ 6.519226
17 Romania @ 6.520527
18 Greek_Macedonia @ 6.777664
19 Croatian @ 6.853327
20 Greek_Peloponnes @ 6.91613
280 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 3.897857
2 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 4.078941
3 IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 4.133538
4 IT_North+IT_Veneto @ 4.135906
5 IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 4.26807
6 IT_North+IT_Friuli @ 4.300559
7 IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.325404
8 IT_Friuli+IT_Friuli @ 4.339777
9 FR_Corsica+German_South @ 4.351257
10 IT_Tuscany+IT_Friuli @ 4.378634
11 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto @ 4.390045
12 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica @ 4.395128
13 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 4.400847
14 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto @ 4.401387
15 Swiss_Italian+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.412786
16 IT_Aosta+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.418576
17 FR_Corsica+Austria @ 4.436751
18 IT_North+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.467333
19 IT_Veneto+Albania_FYROM @ 4.478869
20 IT_Veneto+Albania_North @ 4.47906
39340 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian @ 3.980277
2 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli @ 3.992867
3 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica @ 4.00637
4 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% IT_Veneto @ 4.009667
5 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% FR_Corsica @ 4.03327
6 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Aosta @ 4.04033
7 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France_NorthWest @ 4.047722
8 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% Swiss_Italian @ 4.051562
9 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Albania_Montenegro @ 4.058768
10 50% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.072338
11 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_North +25% IT_Friuli @ 4.078248
12 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Friuli +25% IT_Friuli @ 4.078941
13 50% IT_Friuli +25% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica @ 4.081552
14 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_MArche +25% IT_Veneto @ 4.083798
15 50% IT_Veneto +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Albania_Montenegro @ 4.084746
16 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Aosta +25% Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.090262
17 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.090371
18 50% IT_Veneto +25% FR_Corsica +25% France @ 4.097649
19 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Albania_FYROM @ 4.097799
20 50% IT_Veneto +25% IT_Veneto +25% Albania_North @ 4.11052
8914744 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 3.897857
2 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 3.980277
3 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 3.992867
4 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica @ 4.00637
5 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.009667
6 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica @ 4.03327
7 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta @ 4.04033
8 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.040576
9 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.047722
10 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+France_NorthW est @ 4.049721
11 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+Swiss_Italian @ 4.051562
12 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.058768
13 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_FYROM+France_NorthWes t @ 4.068145
14 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+France_NorthWest @ 4.070634
15 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.072338
16 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli @ 4.078248
17 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+IT_Friuli @ 4.078941
18 IT_Veneto+IT_Friuli+IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica @ 4.081552
19 IT_MArche+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.083798
20 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Albania_Monteneg ro @ 4.084746
21 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.090262
22 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.090371
23 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+France @ 4.097649
24 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Albania_FYROM @ 4.097799
25 IT_Friuli+FR_Corsica+Albania_Montenegro+France_Nor thWest @ 4.099116
26 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Albania_North @ 4.11052
27 IT_Tuscany+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto @ 4.113631
28 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+British_mixed @ 4.114733
29 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian+Albania_FYROM @ 4.117816
30 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+German_South @ 4.117841
31 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Montenegrian+France_NorthWest @ 4.118509
32 FR_Corsica+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+France_North West @ 4.12067
33 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Austria_Tyrol @ 4.120986
34 IT_North+FR_Corsica+Macedonia_FYROM+France_NorthWe st @ 4.123409
35 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Swiss_Italian @ 4.12381
36 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Aosta+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.125525
37 IT_Veneto+FR_Corsica+Albania_North+France_NorthWes t @ 4.125992
38 IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Kosovo @ 4.126766
39 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Albania_Montenegro @ 4.129617
40 IT_North+IT_Veneto+IT_Veneto+Macedonia_FYROM @ 4.130096
261503109 iterations.

Aha
09-05-17, 15:23
My data K36
Ukrainian, Kyiv



East_Central_Euro
28.01


Fennoscandian
13.50


Eastern_Euro
12.81


North_Atlantic
9.90


North_Sea
6.72


Central_Euro
5.69


East_Balkan
4.39


French
3.70


North_Caucasian
3.74


Iberian
3.46


South_Central_Asian
2.60


Volga-Ural
2.31


Italian
2.29

BackToTheForests
20-05-17, 04:01
The Basque, Iberian, and Italian is very surprising to me.



Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
2.01


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
6.14


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
2.02


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
11.09


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
7.86


Fennoscandian
11.16


French
4.49


Iberian
6.57


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
7.50


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
21.29


North_Caucasian
4.99


North_Sea
14.07


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
0.82


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
-

Txuko
15-06-17, 16:11
I am basque (spanish side) and these are my results:

Iberian 49.44
Basque 17.82
North_Sea 6.48
Italian 6.13
North_Atlantic 4.68
West_Med 4.26
French 4.03
East_Central_Euro 3.46
Eastern_Euro 2.25
Central_Euro 1.46

The Spanish_Pais_Vasco reference population is inside Iberian and the French_Basque is the only population inside Basque. [I can't post links but it can be found at the Eurogenes blog].

I think there is an error in this group selection and both reference populations should be inside Basque. I don't know how much these could affect the results but my Iberian component is much bigger than the maximum observed in the reference populations: 40.745%.

I1a3_Young
15-06-17, 16:27
Welcome to the forum and thank you for posting! A Basque is rare around here indeed!

Carl Graham
16-06-17, 08:24
I'm mostly Scots with a fair bit of English,Welsh ,some Irish and a remote bit of German.This is my K36

North_Atlantic 17.34
North_Sea 16.58
Iberian 12.76
Fennoscandian 10.08
French 9.75
Central_Euro 9.20
North_Caucasian 5.68
Basque 4.17
East_Central_Euro3.73
Eastern_Euro 3.00
Italian 2.70
West_Caucasian 2.16
Volga-Ural 1.60
Armenian 1.26

Since MDLP World-22 was mentioned I thought I'd show those results also.



1
North-East-European
46.82


2
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic
31.95


3
West-Asian
9.93


4
North-European-Mesolithic
5.27


5
Near_East
2.52


6
Indo-Iranian
1.37


7
Indo-Tibetan
0.69


8
Sub-Saharian
0.61


9
Austronesian
0.34


10
South-America_Amerind
0.25


11
South-African
0.18


12
North-Amerind
0.06


13
Samoedic
0.01

cpsinkule
18-06-17, 06:43
North_Sea 16.04
Italian 15.11
Iberian 12.92
Central_Euro 11.86
Fennoscandian 9.78
North_Atlantic 7.35
East_Central_Euro 6.81
French 5.64
Eastern_Euro 5.33
East_Balkan 2.70
West_Med 2.12
Volga-Ural 1.71
Near_Eastern 1.57
Basque 0.73
West_Caucasian 0.24
Central_African 0.07

Have no idea about my ancestry.

Tomenable
28-06-17, 17:21
North_Sea 16.04
Italian 15.11
Iberian 12.92
Central_Euro 11.86
Fennoscandian 9.78
North_Atlantic 7.35
East_Central_Euro 6.81
French 5.64
Eastern_Euro 5.33
East_Balkan 2.70
West_Med 2.12
Volga-Ural 1.71
Near_Eastern 1.57
Basque 0.73
West_Caucasian 0.24
Central_African 0.07

Have no idea about my ancestry.

I ran Admix-4 Oracle for you based on those results. It seems that you are Euro-mutt: :grin:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Germany @ 8,078261
2 Swiss_German @ 8,318783
3 German_West @ 8,33188
4 France_NorthEast @ 10,890323
5 Austria @ 11,155029
6 SE_England @ 11,255366
7 Belgium @ 11,588199
8 German_North @ 12,011572
9 Austria_Tyrol @ 12,132035
10 France_NorthWest @ 12,448977
11 Central_Dutch @ 13,666516
12 South_Dutch @ 13,975252
13 France @ 13,993063
14 NW-England @ 14,003081
15 England_Cumberland @ 14,681508
16 British_mixed @ 14,840927
17 Slovenian @ 15,004937
18 France_Central @ 15,089651
19 IT_Veneto @ 15,41825
20 Hungary @ 15,499094
332 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+Sweden @ 7,54615
2 South_Germany+Swiss_German @ 7,743277
3 German_West+Swiss_German @ 7,780084
4 Swiss_Italian+Sweden @ 7,907026
5 German_North+Swiss_German @ 7,915583
6 IT_Aosta+Sweden @ 8,041395
7 South_Germany+South_Germany @ 8,078261
8 South_Germany+German_West @ 8,135637
9 Austria+Swiss_German @ 8,138879
10 Swiss_Italian+Norway @ 8,20899
11 Swiss_German+SE_England @ 8,221367
12 Swiss_German+Swiss_German @ 8,318783
13 Swiss_Italian+Denmark @ 8,32444
14 German_West+German_West @ 8,33188
15 Spain_Baleares+Denmark @ 8,344299
16 Spain_Baleares+German_North @ 8,475974
17 IT_Piedmont+Sweden @ 8,497236
18 Spain_Baleares+Norway @ 8,532803
19 IT_North+Sweden @ 8,58914
20 Austria+France_NorthEast @ 8,596978
55278 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Slovenian @ 6,891393
2 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Croatian @ 7,052922
3 50% Swiss_German +25% Swiss_German +25% Sweden @ 7,068887
4 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Montenegro @ 7,090634
5 50% South_Germany +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 7,156082
6 50% Swiss_German +25% German_East +25% Swiss_German @ 7,169119
7 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Central_Dutch @ 7,173343
8 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Swiss_German @ 7,177945
9 50% Swiss_German +25% Austria +25% Sweden @ 7,222757
10 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Sweden @ 7,233577
11 50% German_West +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 7,238288
12 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% SE_England @ 7,242092
13 50% Denmark +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Montenegro @ 7,255238
14 50% German_North +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Swiss_German @ 7,25658
15 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Denmark @ 7,289065
16 50% Sweden +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Spain_Baleares @ 7,305499
17 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Austria @ 7,310077
18 50% Sweden +25% IT_Veneto +25% Spain_Baleares @ 7,311681
19 50% Swiss_German +25% Sweden +25% Montenegro @ 7,330718
20 50% Swiss_German +25% South_Germany +25% Sweden @ 7,334425
10993987 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Sweden+Montenegro @ 6,878656
2 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Central_Dut ch @ 6,891393
3 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,902344
4 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 6,915857
5 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,951061
6 Spain_Baleares+Austria+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,969152
7 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Swede n @ 6,969289
8 Spain_Baleares+German_North+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,971256
9 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+SE_England+Sweden @ 6,972884
10 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Central_Du tch @ 6,973177
11 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 6,996632
12 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+German_North+Central_Dutc h @ 7,010595
13 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 7,024132
14 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+SE_England+Sweden @ 7,045669
15 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutc h @ 7,052922
16 Spain_Baleares+Denmark+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,067162
17 Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,068887
18 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,072159
19 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Centr al_Dutch @ 7,078942
20 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Denmark @ 7,083661
21 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 7,088091
22 Spain_Baleares+Sweden+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,090634
23 Spain_Baleares+Swiss_German+Central_Dutch+Sorb_Lus atia @ 7,094975
24 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 7,108451
25 Spain_Baleares+German_West+Austria+Sweden @ 7,110952
26 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+German_West+Sweden @ 7,112344
27 Spain_Baleares+Austria+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 7,113746
28 Spain_Baleares+Austria+SE_England+Sweden @ 7,119807
29 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,120455
30 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Denmark+Montenegro @ 7,126849
31 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Denma rk @ 7,133485
32 Spain_Baleares+German_West+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,135485
33 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Denmark @ 7,146613
34 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+South_Germany+Sweden @ 7,156082
35 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+Austria+Sweden @ 7,163604
36 Spain_Baleares+German_North+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,168029
37 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Norway @ 7,169062
38 German_East+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Swiss_German @ 7,169119
39 Slovenian+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Central_Dutch @ 7,173343
40 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 7,175472
181516220 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Germany @ 4,509293
2 German_North @ 4,511481
3 German_West @ 4,564192
4 Austria @ 4,605446
5 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,860593
6 Slovenian @ 4,895071
7 Austria_Tyrol @ 4,912521
8 SE_England @ 5,085085
9 Swiss_German @ 5,102044
10 British_mixed @ 5,191265
11 France_NorthWest @ 5,332534
12 NW-England @ 5,334565
13 Central_Dutch @ 5,372004
14 France @ 5,378358
15 German_East @ 5,400922
16 England_Cumberland @ 5,407409
17 Croatian @ 5,573637
18 Hungary @ 5,630792
19 IT_Veneto @ 5,790408
20 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,798642
332 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Austria+SE_England @ 4,192417
2 Spain_Baleares+Sweden @ 4,210673
3 Slovenian+SE_England @ 4,217708
4 Austria+Central_Dutch @ 4,304122
5 Slovenian+France_NorthWest @ 4,308892
6 Austria+France_NorthWest @ 4,312774
7 Austria_Tyrol+SE_England @ 4,315996
8 Spain_Baleares+Denmark @ 4,317864
9 South_Germany+SE_England @ 4,324533
10 German_North+Swiss_German @ 4,325639
11 Swiss_German+Sweden @ 4,329699
12 Austria_Tyrol+Denmark @ 4,330499
13 German_North+Austria @ 4,333834
14 Austria+England_Cumberland @ 4,334709
15 France_Central+Sweden @ 4,344543
16 Czechs_Moravians+SE_England @ 4,348594
17 German_East+Swiss_German @ 4,351962
18 German_North+South_Germany @ 4,353018
19 Austria+NE-England @ 4,353752
20 France_Central+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,357276
55278 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,98508
2 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Pl_north @ 4,011057
3 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,012279
4 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,021661
5 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,028936
6 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Pl_north @ 4,041534
7 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,0418
8 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,044751
9 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,045624
10 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,048843
11 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,049659
12 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Mazovia @ 4,054964
13 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 4,059764
14 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% German_East @ 4,063263
15 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% SE_England @ 4,063428
16 50% Denmark +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,066216
17 50% France_NorthWest +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,06716
18 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Pl_north @ 4,070213
19 50% Spain_Baleares +25% Denmark +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,072331
20 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 4,075955
13586068 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 3,98508
2 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,001444
3 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,005868
4 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,011057
5 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Central_Dutch+PL_S udovia @ 4,011674
6 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Wielkopols ka @ 4,012279
7 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+SE_England+PL_Sudo via @ 4,017474
8 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,0175
9 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,01936
10 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+PL_Wielkop olska @ 4,019453
11 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,021661
12 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,024047
13 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,027977
14 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,028487
15 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_SE_Carpath ia @ 4,028936
16 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,029905
17 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,030699
18 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_SE_Carp athia @ 4,030901
19 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,031359
20 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,031718
21 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,031813
22 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Sweden+PL_Wielkopo lska @ 4,034189
23 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,035211
24 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,035402
25 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,040148
26 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,040455
27 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudovia @ 4,040969
28 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,04116
29 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,041534
30 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Wielkopolsk a @ 4,0418
31 Spain_Baleares+FR_Bretagne+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudovi a @ 4,044258
32 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudo via @ 4,044751
33 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_SE_Carpathi a @ 4,045624
34 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_Wielkop olska @ 4,045954
35 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,048843
36 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,049618
37 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+PL_SE_C arpathia @ 4,049659
38 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpath ia @ 4,049916
39 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,050177
40 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+Pl_north @ 4,050213
509078051 iterations.

cpsinkule
28-06-17, 20:23
I ran Admix-4 Oracle for you based on those results. It seems that you are Euro-mutt: :grin:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Germany @ 8,078261
2 Swiss_German @ 8,318783
3 German_West @ 8,33188
4 France_NorthEast @ 10,890323
5 Austria @ 11,155029
6 SE_England @ 11,255366
7 Belgium @ 11,588199
8 German_North @ 12,011572
9 Austria_Tyrol @ 12,132035
10 France_NorthWest @ 12,448977
11 Central_Dutch @ 13,666516
12 South_Dutch @ 13,975252
13 France @ 13,993063
14 NW-England @ 14,003081
15 England_Cumberland @ 14,681508
16 British_mixed @ 14,840927
17 Slovenian @ 15,004937
18 France_Central @ 15,089651
19 IT_Veneto @ 15,41825
20 Hungary @ 15,499094
332 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+Sweden @ 7,54615
2 South_Germany+Swiss_German @ 7,743277
3 German_West+Swiss_German @ 7,780084
4 Swiss_Italian+Sweden @ 7,907026
5 German_North+Swiss_German @ 7,915583
6 IT_Aosta+Sweden @ 8,041395
7 South_Germany+South_Germany @ 8,078261
8 South_Germany+German_West @ 8,135637
9 Austria+Swiss_German @ 8,138879
10 Swiss_Italian+Norway @ 8,20899
11 Swiss_German+SE_England @ 8,221367
12 Swiss_German+Swiss_German @ 8,318783
13 Swiss_Italian+Denmark @ 8,32444
14 German_West+German_West @ 8,33188
15 Spain_Baleares+Denmark @ 8,344299
16 Spain_Baleares+German_North @ 8,475974
17 IT_Piedmont+Sweden @ 8,497236
18 Spain_Baleares+Norway @ 8,532803
19 IT_North+Sweden @ 8,58914
20 Austria+France_NorthEast @ 8,596978
55278 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Slovenian @ 6,891393
2 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Croatian @ 7,052922
3 50% Swiss_German +25% Swiss_German +25% Sweden @ 7,068887
4 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Montenegro @ 7,090634
5 50% South_Germany +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 7,156082
6 50% Swiss_German +25% German_East +25% Swiss_German @ 7,169119
7 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Central_Dutch @ 7,173343
8 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Swiss_German @ 7,177945
9 50% Swiss_German +25% Austria +25% Sweden @ 7,222757
10 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Sweden @ 7,233577
11 50% German_West +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 7,238288
12 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% SE_England @ 7,242092
13 50% Denmark +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Montenegro @ 7,255238
14 50% German_North +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Swiss_German @ 7,25658
15 50% Swiss_German +25% Slovenian +25% Denmark @ 7,289065
16 50% Sweden +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Spain_Baleares @ 7,305499
17 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Austria @ 7,310077
18 50% Sweden +25% IT_Veneto +25% Spain_Baleares @ 7,311681
19 50% Swiss_German +25% Sweden +25% Montenegro @ 7,330718
20 50% Swiss_German +25% South_Germany +25% Sweden @ 7,334425
10993987 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Sweden+Montenegro @ 6,878656
2 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Central_Dut ch @ 6,891393
3 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,902344
4 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 6,915857
5 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,951061
6 Spain_Baleares+Austria+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,969152
7 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Swede n @ 6,969289
8 Spain_Baleares+German_North+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 6,971256
9 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+SE_England+Sweden @ 6,972884
10 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Central_Du tch @ 6,973177
11 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 6,996632
12 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+German_North+Central_Dutc h @ 7,010595
13 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 7,024132
14 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+SE_England+Sweden @ 7,045669
15 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutc h @ 7,052922
16 Spain_Baleares+Denmark+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,067162
17 Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,068887
18 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,072159
19 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Centr al_Dutch @ 7,078942
20 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Denmark @ 7,083661
21 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 7,088091
22 Spain_Baleares+Sweden+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,090634
23 Spain_Baleares+Swiss_German+Central_Dutch+Sorb_Lus atia @ 7,094975
24 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 7,108451
25 Spain_Baleares+German_West+Austria+Sweden @ 7,110952
26 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+German_West+Sweden @ 7,112344
27 Spain_Baleares+Austria+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 7,113746
28 Spain_Baleares+Austria+SE_England+Sweden @ 7,119807
29 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,120455
30 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Denmark+Montenegro @ 7,126849
31 Spain_Baleares+Czechs_Moravians+Swiss_German+Denma rk @ 7,133485
32 Spain_Baleares+German_West+Swiss_German+Sweden @ 7,135485
33 Spain_Baleares+German_East+Swiss_German+Denmark @ 7,146613
34 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+South_Germany+Sweden @ 7,156082
35 Spain_Baleares+South_Germany+Austria+Sweden @ 7,163604
36 Spain_Baleares+German_North+Sweden+Montenegro @ 7,168029
37 Spain_Baleares+Slovenian+Swiss_German+Norway @ 7,169062
38 German_East+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Swiss_German @ 7,169119
39 Slovenian+Swiss_German+Swiss_German+Central_Dutch @ 7,173343
40 Spain_Baleares+Croatian+Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 7,175472
181516220 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Germany @ 4,509293
2 German_North @ 4,511481
3 German_West @ 4,564192
4 Austria @ 4,605446
5 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,860593
6 Slovenian @ 4,895071
7 Austria_Tyrol @ 4,912521
8 SE_England @ 5,085085
9 Swiss_German @ 5,102044
10 British_mixed @ 5,191265
11 France_NorthWest @ 5,332534
12 NW-England @ 5,334565
13 Central_Dutch @ 5,372004
14 France @ 5,378358
15 German_East @ 5,400922
16 England_Cumberland @ 5,407409
17 Croatian @ 5,573637
18 Hungary @ 5,630792
19 IT_Veneto @ 5,790408
20 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,798642
332 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Austria+SE_England @ 4,192417
2 Spain_Baleares+Sweden @ 4,210673
3 Slovenian+SE_England @ 4,217708
4 Austria+Central_Dutch @ 4,304122
5 Slovenian+France_NorthWest @ 4,308892
6 Austria+France_NorthWest @ 4,312774
7 Austria_Tyrol+SE_England @ 4,315996
8 Spain_Baleares+Denmark @ 4,317864
9 South_Germany+SE_England @ 4,324533
10 German_North+Swiss_German @ 4,325639
11 Swiss_German+Sweden @ 4,329699
12 Austria_Tyrol+Denmark @ 4,330499
13 German_North+Austria @ 4,333834
14 Austria+England_Cumberland @ 4,334709
15 France_Central+Sweden @ 4,344543
16 Czechs_Moravians+SE_England @ 4,348594
17 German_East+Swiss_German @ 4,351962
18 German_North+South_Germany @ 4,353018
19 Austria+NE-England @ 4,353752
20 France_Central+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,357276
55278 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,98508
2 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Pl_north @ 4,011057
3 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,012279
4 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,021661
5 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,028936
6 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Pl_north @ 4,041534
7 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,0418
8 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,044751
9 50% SE_England +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,045624
10 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,048843
11 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,049659
12 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Mazovia @ 4,054964
13 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 4,059764
14 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% German_East @ 4,063263
15 50% Sweden +25% Spain_Baleares +25% SE_England @ 4,063428
16 50% Denmark +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,066216
17 50% France_NorthWest +25% Spain_Baleares +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,06716
18 50% Central_Dutch +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Pl_north @ 4,070213
19 50% Spain_Baleares +25% Denmark +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,072331
20 50% SE_England +25% Spain_Baleares +25% Sweden @ 4,075955
13586068 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 3,98508
2 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,001444
3 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,005868
4 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,011057
5 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Central_Dutch+PL_S udovia @ 4,011674
6 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Wielkopols ka @ 4,012279
7 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+SE_England+PL_Sudo via @ 4,017474
8 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,0175
9 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,01936
10 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+PL_Wielkop olska @ 4,019453
11 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,021661
12 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+SE_England+PL_Sudovia @ 4,024047
13 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,027977
14 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,028487
15 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+PL_SE_Carpath ia @ 4,028936
16 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,029905
17 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,030699
18 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_SE_Carp athia @ 4,030901
19 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,031359
20 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,031718
21 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,031813
22 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Sweden+PL_Wielkopo lska @ 4,034189
23 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,035211
24 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,035402
25 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,040148
26 Spain_Baleares+France_NorthWest+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,040455
27 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudovia @ 4,040969
28 Swiss_Italian+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+Pl_north @ 4,04116
29 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+Pl_north @ 4,041534
30 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_Wielkopolsk a @ 4,0418
31 Spain_Baleares+FR_Bretagne+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudovi a @ 4,044258
32 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+PL_Sudo via @ 4,044751
33 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+SE_England+PL_SE_Carpathi a @ 4,045624
34 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+SE_England+PL_Wielkop olska @ 4,045954
35 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+SE_England+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,048843
36 Swiss_Italian+SE_England+Denmark+PL_Sudovia @ 4,049618
37 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+PL_SE_C arpathia @ 4,049659
38 Spain_Baleares+Central_Dutch+Denmark+PL_SE_Carpath ia @ 4,049916
39 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Denmark+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,050177
40 Spain_Baleares+SE_England+Sweden+Pl_north @ 4,050213
509078051 iterations.
So if I were to put something as my "ethnic group" what should I put?

u&iraok
03-07-17, 17:43
Hi, I've been trying to figure out the origin of the Iberian showing. I seem to have a bit more than the typical Brit's, British being the majority of my ancestry. It shows up on K36 as the highest percentage and on others such as MyHeritage at 15.1. Other tests show Mediterranean, including other Eurogenes tests and others such as MDLP World 22 which shows 35.13 Atlantic Mediterranean Neolithic at 35.13 and Dodecad which shows 27.04 Mediterranean. In this thread, Kevingnet says Iberian could be German. 23andMe shows 10% French and German, 1.1 Norweigan, 1.1 Finnish, 66.6 British & Irish, 20.2 Broadly Northwestern European. Here are my K36 results:

Iberian 21.97
North Atlantic 16.77
North Sea 17.34
Italian 9.06
French 8.45
Eastern Europe 7.02
Fennoscandian 6.74
East Central Europe 5.67
Basque 2.47
Central Europe 2.41
South Central Asian .69
East Balkan .55
North Caucasus .47
Volga-Ural .36

I1a3_Young
04-07-17, 00:02
That does seem to be very high Iberian if your family tree is only British - could there be a recent unknown adoption or paternity event? Or a Spanish/Portuguese immigrant?

mlukas
04-07-17, 12:28
Hi, I've been trying to figure out the origin of the Iberian showing. I seem to have a bit more than the typical Brit's, British being the majority of my ancestry. It shows up on K36 as the highest percentage and on others such as MyHeritage at 15.1. Other tests show Mediterranean, including other Eurogenes tests and others such as MDLP World 22 which shows 35.13 Atlantic Mediterranean Neolithic at 35.13 and Dodecad which shows 27.04 Mediterranean. In this thread, Kevingnet says Iberian could be German. 23andMe shows 10% French and German, 1.1 Norweigan, 1.1 Finnish, 66.6 British & Irish, 20.2 Broadly Northwestern European. Here are my K36 results:

Iberian 21.97
North Atlantic 16.77
North Sea 17.34
Italian 9.06
French 8.45
Eastern Europe 7.02
Fennoscandian 6.74
East Central Europe 5.67
Basque 2.47
Central Europe 2.41
South Central Asian .69
East Balkan .55
North Caucasus .47
Volga-Ural .36


In unofficial K36 oracle you are:

nMonte restricted
Ireland 37.40
SW-England 34.30
Spain_Centabria 13.85
Spain_La-Rioja 9.00
Ukrainian_North_East 3.20
FR_Bretagne 2.25

nMonte full
Ireland 37.25
SW-England 33.95
Spain_Centabria 13.75
Spain_La-Rioja 8.95
Ukrainian_North_East 3.10
FR_Bretagne 2.65
France_NorthEast 0.25
Lithuanian 0.05
NE-England 0.05

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
FR_Bretagne SW-England France_NorthWest Ireland
8.293086 9.683646 9.695769 9.740993
England_Cumberland NE-England Northern_Ireland Orcadian
9.872744 10.174391 10.281829 10.367433

Admix4

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 FR_Bretagne @ 8,29065
2 SW-England @ 9,476435
3 France_NorthWest @ 9,687057
4 Ireland @ 9,725708
5 England_Cumberland @ 9,873854
6 NE-England @ 10,176768
7 Northern_Ireland @ 10,271121
8 Orcadian @ 10,358975
9 France_NorthEast @ 10,460553
10 British_mixed @ 10,882335
11 Welsh @ 11,131714
12 NW-England @ 11,187571
13 Belgium @ 11,821937
14 France @ 11,950311
15 Scotland @ 12,115369
16 SE_England @ 13,054944
17 German_West @ 14,156203
18 South_Dutch @ 14,631275
19 South_Germany @ 14,865024
20 France_Central @ 15,480949
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 France+Ireland @ 7,060441
2 France+Orcadian @ 7,408888
3 France+Northern_Ireland @ 7,471581
4 France+SW-England @ 7,568206
5 FR_Bretagne+NE-England @ 7,601028
6 FR_Bretagne+France_NorthEast @ 7,802543
7 FR_Bretagne+SW-England @ 7,814811
8 FR_Bretagne+France_NorthWest @ 7,848103
9 France+Welsh @ 7,852069
10 FR_Bretagne+Ireland @ 7,856563
11 FR_Bretagne+Orcadian @ 7,867798
12 France+NE-England @ 7,93371
13 FR_Bretagne+England_Cumberland @ 8,027464
14 FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland @ 8,092017
15 France_NorthEast+Ireland @ 8,140442
16 France_NorthEast+SW-England @ 8,142769
17 France_NorthWest+Ireland @ 8,223644
18 France+British_mixed @ 8,24214
19 France+England_Cumberland @ 8,270758
20 FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne @ 8,29065
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ireland @ 5,913413
2 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Orcadian @ 5,940592
3 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% SW-England @ 5,948923
4 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Northern_Ireland @ 5,961812
5 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% NE-England @ 5,965346
6 50% Orcadian +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ireland @ 6,051599
7 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% NW-England @ 6,096624
8 50% Orcadian +25% Spain_Centabria +25% FR_Bretagne @ 6,117348
9 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Scotland @ 6,125898
10 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% British_mixed @ 6,132099
11 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% England_Cumberland @ 6,14716
12 50% Orcadian +25% Spain_Centabria +25% SW-England @ 6,148823
13 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% FR_Bretagne @ 6,152311
14 50% Orcadian +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Northern_Ireland @ 6,186558
15 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ireland @ 6,190694
16 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 6,202495
17 50% Ireland +25% Orcadian +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 6,210703
18 50% Ireland +25% Spain_La-Rioja +25% SW-England @ 6,214297
19 50% Ireland +25% Spain_Galicia +25% SW-England @ 6,219644
20 50% Orcadian +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Orcadian @ 6,241964
12421096 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,913413
2 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+Orcadian @ 5,940592
3 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+SW-England @ 5,948923
4 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 5,961812
5 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+NE-England @ 5,965346
6 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+SW-England @ 6,007856
7 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Orcadian @ 6,033559
8 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+Orcadian @ 6,051599
9 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Orcadian @ 6,093596
10 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+NW-England @ 6,096624
11 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+NE-England @ 6,109721
12 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Orcadian+Orcadian @ 6,117348
13 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,125898
14 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+British_mixed @ 6,132099
15 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Ireland+England_Cumberland @ 6,14716
16 Spain_Centabria+Orcadian+Orcadian+SW-England @ 6,148823
17 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Ireland @ 6,152311
18 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+SW-England @ 6,159657
19 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Orcadian+Orcadian @ 6,186558
20 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+ Ireland @ 6,190694
21 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Spain_La-Rioja @ 6,202495
22 Ireland+Ireland+Orcadian+Spain_La-Rioja @ 6,210703
23 Ireland+Ireland+Spain_La-Rioja+SW-England @ 6,214297
24 Spain_Galicia+Ireland+Ireland+SW-England @ 6,219644
25 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+NE-England @ 6,221345
26 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+NW-England @ 6,227762
27 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+NW-England @ 6,229202
28 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+British_mixed @ 6,234939
29 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland @ 6,235939
30 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Orcad ian @ 6,238907
31 Spain_Centabria+Orcadian+Orcadian+Orcadian @ 6,241964
32 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Ireland+NE-England @ 6,244401
33 Ireland+Orcadian+Spain_La-Rioja+SW-England @ 6,253148
34 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Orcadian+England_Cumberlan d @ 6,253214
35 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Irela nd @ 6,25336
36 Spain_Centabria+FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,259176
37 Spain_Centabria+Northern_Ireland+Orcadian+SW-England @ 6,259751
38 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+NW-England+SW-England @ 6,267951
39 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+Scotland+SW-England @ 6,272346
40 Spain_Centabria+Ireland+SW-England+NE-England @ 6,274283
209106646 iterations.

mlukas
04-07-17, 13:26
I'm mostly Scots with a fair bit of English,Welsh ,some Irish and a remote bit of German.This is my K36

North_Atlantic 17.34
North_Sea 16.58
Iberian 12.76
Fennoscandian 10.08
French 9.75
Central_Euro 9.20
North_Caucasian 5.68
Basque 4.17
East_Central_Euro3.73
Eastern_Euro 3.00
Italian 2.70
West_Caucasian 2.16
Volga-Ural 1.60
Armenian 1.26

Since MDLP World-22 was mentioned I thought I'd show those results also.



46.82




4
5.27


Near_East
2.52


1.37


7
Indo-Tibetan
0.69


8
Sub-Saharian
0.61


9
Austronesian
0.34


10
South-America_Amerind
0.25


11
South-African
0.18


12
North-Amerind
0.06


13
Samoedic
0.01





Fairly high amount of Caucasus components (West and Nort Caucasian + Armenian).

In unoficial K36 oracle

nMonte restricted
Welsh 88.80
Georgian_Svan 4.65
Finnish_East 3.10
North_Dagestan 1.75
French_Basque 1.70


In Admix4 Gaussian

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,857249
2 Ireland @ 4,103395
3 British_mixed @ 4,636584
4 South_Dutch @ 4,728765
5 Orcadian @ 4,747731
6 NE-England @ 4,867051
7 Scotland @ 4,971011
8 Welsh @ 4,973582
9 German_North @ 5,156341
10 Central_Dutch @ 5,199085
11 German_West @ 5,24053
12 NW-England @ 5,286404
13 Austria_Tyrol @ 5,524578
14 England_Cumberland @ 5,593806
15 SE_England @ 5,625575
16 South_Germany @ 5,671274
17 North_Dutch @ 5,728828
18 France_NorthWest @ 5,759492
19 Belgium @ 5,783292
20 France_NorthEast @ 5,889901
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 3,857249
2 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 3,945688
3 Northern_Ireland+Welsh @ 4,041985
4 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 4,096788
5 Ireland+Ireland @ 4,103395
6 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 4,113458
7 South_Dutch+Ireland @ 4,186727
8 Northern_Ireland+British_mixed @ 4,21829
9 Northern_Ireland+Orcadian @ 4,223399
10 Ireland+Welsh @ 4,295376
11 Ireland+British_mixed @ 4,305229
12 Ireland+Orcadian @ 4,328431
13 Central_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 4,330586
14 North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 4,335776
15 Ireland+NE-England @ 4,336115
16 Northern_Ireland+Scotland @ 4,345447
17 Northern_Ireland+NW-England @ 4,352105
18 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland @ 4,372594
19 German_North+Northern_Ireland @ 4,376533
20 Central_Dutch+Ireland @ 4,402202
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland @ 3,895752
2 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh @ 3,911124
3 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Ireland @ 3,945688
4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 3,947961
5 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 3,960032
6 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 3,98041
7 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 3,990191
8 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,005377
9 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland @ 4,012434
10 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,012537
11 50% Northern_Ireland +25% North_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,02162
12 50% Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,025497
13 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Orcadian @ 4,027159
14 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% British_mixed @ 4,033272
15 50% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 4,035643
16 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 4,041214
17 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 4,041985
18 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Central_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,060249
19 50% Northern_Ireland +25% North_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 4,0635
20 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Denmark @ 4,063912
15314701 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Northern_Ireland @ 3,857249
2 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Ireland @ 3,895752
3 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Welsh @ 3,911124
4 North_Dagestan+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,921303
5 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 3,945688
6 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +NE-England @ 3,947961
7 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Nort hern_Ireland @ 3,960032
8 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,976931
9 North_Dagestan+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,979468
10 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Welsh @ 3,98041
11 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Irel and @ 3,990191
12 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,997098
13 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+NE-England @ 4,005377
14 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+SW-England @ 4,009583
15 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 4,012434
16 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Wels h @ 4,012537
17 North_Dagestan+Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4,016125
18 North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Nort hern_Ireland @ 4,02162
19 North_Dagestan+Orcadian+SW-England+SW-England @ 4,022254
20 North_Dagestan+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4,024858
21 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland @ 4,025497
22 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Orcadian @ 4,027159
23 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+S W-England @ 4,030289
24 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Denmar k @ 4,030636
25 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +British_mixed @ 4,033272
26 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+Welsh @ 4,035643
27 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+Denmark+SW-England @ 4,039859
28 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 4,041214
29 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Welsh+Welsh @ 4,041985
30 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+SW-England @ 4,050757
31 North_Dagestan+SW-England+SW-England+NE-England @ 4,052464
32 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Norway+SW-England @ 4,056202
33 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+N orthern_Ireland @ 4,056562
34 Central_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+No rthern_Ireland @ 4,060249
35 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Sweden_north+SW-England @ 4,060569
36 North_Dagestan+Sweden_north+SW-England+SW-England @ 4,062777
37 North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Irel and @ 4,0635
38 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Denmark @ 4,063912
39 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+SW-England @ 4,064026
40 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England @ 4,065293
464888926 iterations.

baha
05-07-17, 21:34
Population



Amerindian
0.48


Arabian
-


Armenian
4.52


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
2.82


East_African
0.64


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
5.28


East_Central_Asian
2.44


East_Central_Euro
7.02


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
12.35


Fennoscandian
9.12


French
2.64


Iberian
6.64


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
4.11


Malayan
0.94


Near_Eastern
6.86


North_African
0.49


North_Atlantic
4.70


North_Caucasian
5.87


North_Sea
0.75


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
0.51


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
4.82


South_Asian
2.59


South_Central_Asian
9.33


South_Chinese
0.86


Volga-Ural
1.11


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
2.39


West_Med
0.72

u&iraok
06-07-17, 14:34
That does seem to be very high Iberian if your family tree is only British - could there be a recent unknown adoption or paternity event? Or a Spanish/Portuguese immigrant?

I don't see a Spanish/Portuguese in my recent family tree. I wonder about adoption, with ancestors having so many children each, what's one more?

u&iraok
06-07-17, 14:40
In unofficial K36 oracle you are:

nMonte restricted
Ireland 37.40
SW-England 34.30
Spain_Centabria 13.85
Spain_La-Rioja 9.00
Ukrainian_North_East 3.20
FR_Bretagne 2.25

nMonte full
Ireland 37.25
SW-England 33.95
Spain_Centabria 13.75
Spain_La-Rioja 8.95
Ukrainian_North_East 3.10
FR_Bretagne 2.65
France_NorthEast 0.25
Lithuanian 0.05
NE-England 0.05



Thanks, I'll have to research more to figure this out. Does this mean I have a Spanish ancestor, recent or no?

LeBrok
06-07-17, 23:11
Thanks, I'll have to research more to figure this out. Does this mean I have a Spanish ancestor, recent or no?For a quick glance it could have been your grandpa or grandma.

AdeoF
26-08-17, 20:14
I have a galician/spanish family and here is my k36

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.89
Armenian -
Basque 5.89
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.78
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.31
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.84
East_Med 0.12
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 4.86
French 2.19
Iberian 26.80
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 18.08
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.19
North_African 3.74
North_Atlantic 7.78
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 7.26
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.48
Omotic -
Pygmy 0.27
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.20
West_Med 6.27

Hmm i think my Iberian is a bit lower then average.

zanipolo
07-09-17, 07:39
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.74
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.37
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.62
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.14
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 1.20
Fennoscandian 3.17
French 6.47
Iberian 16.72
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 17.05
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.02
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.01
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 9.57
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.97
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.45
West_Med 6.51

kirsten elise
07-09-17, 22:31
Could someone provide clarification on what "North Atlantic" refers to in the K-36, i.e. what time period? Is it Celtic, i.e. western Halstatt? Or Beaker? Or megalithic? Or something else entirely?

Aha
11-09-17, 14:28
Could someone provide clarification on what "North Atlantic" refers to in the K-36, i.e. what time period? Is it Celtic, i.e. western Halstatt? Or Beaker? Or megalithic? Or something else entirely?

It has the biggest concentration in Ireland and Cornwall. So I understand it is Celtic.

I am going to post a map with biggest concentrations of each element of K36 soon. Stay tuned (new thread)

Tomenable
12-09-17, 10:27
Angela,

As for Eurogenes K36, here is where "Italian" admixture peaks (map made by Aha):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11965-K36-Unified-Map-of-Elements&p=285698

https://i.imgur.com/7pLVMLX.jpg

Angela
12-09-17, 23:43
Angela, As for Eurogenes K36, here is where "Italian" admixture peaks (map made by Aha):http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?11965-K36-Unified-Map-of-Elements&p=285698https://i.imgur.com/7pLVMLX.jpgIt speaks for itself. Most of these "peak" areas are nowhere near where the "names" would indicate. Just take a look at where Eastern European peaks, or Central Euro, or even East Central Euro, which is actually Latvia. Brittany is a good stand in for all of France? For goodness sakes', the academic sample is Lyon. Central Europe is now, what? Poland???I think I was right not to pay any attention to it.

davef
13-09-17, 00:01
It speaks for itself. Most of these "peak" areas are nowhere near where the "names" would indicate. Just take a look at where Eastern European peaks, or Central Euro, or even East Central Euro, which is actually Latvia. Brittany is a good stand in for all of France? For goodness sakes', the academic sample is Lyon. Central Europe is now, what? Poland???I think I was right not to pay any attention to it.

AND THE NEAR EASTERN CATEGORY COVERS NORTHEASTERN EGYPT!!!???

.....and would we expect "French" to be that much different from "North Atlantic"?

Why do we even have a "French" component? I really don't see the point.

Pratt
13-09-17, 00:09
AND THE NEAR EASTERN CATEGORY COVERS NORTHEASTERN EGYPT!!!???

.....and would we expect "French" to be that much different from "North Atlantic"?

Why do we even have a "French" component? I really don't see the point.

To the best of my knowledge, Near Eastern component is based on Jordanians, Lebanese Muslims, Syrians and Palestinians.
French is based on a French sample of people from Central France.

Angela
13-09-17, 00:43
To my knowledge there are only two French samples available...one is from Lyon, and one is from south-western France, somewhere south of Bordeaux I believe. Neither is in central France, much less anywhere near Brittany, which is much more "Celtic" and like Devon and Cornwall in England. There is a cline in France, as there is in Germany, although in neither country is it as pronounced as in Italy.

http://www.worldmap1.com/map/france/map_of_france.gif

Latvia is Northeastern Europe, is it not, not east central Europe, which should be Poland?

If Near East is around Syria, why is it peaking in Egypt?
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, the whole thing is absurd.

davef
13-09-17, 00:52
To my knowledge there are only two French samples available...one is from Lyon, and one is from south-western France, somewhere south of Bordeaux I believe. Neither is in central France, much less anywhere near Brittany, which is much more "Celtic" and like Devon and Cornwall in England. There is a cline in France, as there is in Germany, although in neither country is it as pronounced as in Italy.

http://www.worldmap1.com/map/france/map_of_france.gif

Latvia is Northeastern Europe, is it not, not east central Europe, which should be Poland?

If Near East is around Syria, why is it peaking in Egypt?
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, the whole thing is absurd.

I guess I can see why they have a category for "Italian" "Iberian" "Wed Med" (I guess it's some sort of way of measuring Neolithic DNA) or "east central euro" or other eastern euro regions (which probably measures hunter gatherer) but what makes the French component relevant?

ROS
13-09-17, 00:53
It is what happens when you label the autosomic DNA that the hand can go to you side to side.

Pratt
13-09-17, 00:58
To my knowledge there are only two French samples available...one is from Lyon, and one is from south-western France, somewhere south of Bordeaux I believe. Neither is in central France, much less anywhere near Brittany, which is much more "Celtic" and like Devon and Cornwall in England. There is a cline in France, as there is in Germany, although in neither country is it as pronounced as in Italy.

http://www.worldmap1.com/map/france/map_of_france.gif

Latvia is Northeastern Europe, is it not, not east central Europe, which should be Poland?

If Near East is around Syria, why is it peaking in Egypt?
I'm sorry, but in my opinion, the whole thing is absurd.

Me too, I don't find K36 particularly accurate either.

There is a txt file with all the K36 reference samples.

The reference sample for the French component (the one from Lyon?)

French French_HGDP00511 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00512 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00513 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00514 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00515 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00516 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00517 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00518 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00519 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00520 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00521 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00522 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00523 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00524 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00525 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00526 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00527 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00528 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00529 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00530 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00531 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00533 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00534 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00535 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00536 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00537 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00538 0 0 0 -9
French French_HGDP00539 0 0 0 -9


The reference sample for the East_Central_European component

East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus1 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus3 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus4 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus5 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus6 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus7 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Belarusian_belorus8 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536635 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536636 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536637 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536638 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536639 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536640 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536641 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536642 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536643 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Lithuanian_GSM536644 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Russian_RU21 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Russian_RU22 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_North_UkrainePol19Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_North_UkrainePol25Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel614Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel618Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel620Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel622Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel733Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Northeast_UkrBel736Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine130Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine133Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine136Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine141Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine94Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_Ukraine97Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv215Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv223Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv226Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv228Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv237Y 0 0 0 -9
East_Central_European Ukrainian_West_UkrLv240Y 0 0 0 -9

Pratt
13-09-17, 01:01
I guess I can see why they have a category for "Italian" "Iberian" "Wed Med" (I guess it's some sort of way of measuring Neolithic DNA) or "east central euro" or other eastern euro regions (which probably measures hunter gatherer) but what makes the French component relevant?

For Italian: Bergamo + Tuscans. For Iberian: all the Iberian samples; for West Med: Sardinians.

davef
13-09-17, 01:10
The French component being from Lyon makes this even more interesting. I google mapped Lyon France (yeah, my geography needs polishing) and it's close to North Italy....and it peaks in northwest France near England.
:/

Pratt
13-09-17, 01:23
The French component being from Lyon makes this even more interesting. I google mapped Lyon France (yeah, my geography needs polishing) and it's close to North Italy....and it peaks in northwest France near England.

:/

I don't know if they are from Lyon. But even French have very low percentages of French component. French usually have more Iberian and Italian than French. FR_Bretagne has slightly more "French" than other French. That K36 map made by Aha can be deceptive, especially in this case.

In bold where Iberian, Italian and French components peak among French. It lacks a France East average.


France 7.18 (French), 21.202 (Iberian), 15.565 (Italian)
France_Central 8.198 (French), 19.448 (Iberian) 18.194 (Italian)
FR_Bretagne 10.112 (French), 19.354 (Iberian), 9.046 (Italian)
France_South 6.535 (French), 22.35 (Iberian), 17.208 (Italian)
France_SoutWestern, 4.893 (French), 31.566 (Iberian), 9.282 (Italian)
France_NorthEast 6.48 (French), 17.13 (Iberian), 14.05 (Italian)
France_NorthWest 7.308 (French), 16.78 (Iberian), 13.125 (Italian)


Reference samples for Italian component (North Italian is Italian Bergamo, the Tuscans are the overwhelming majority in the Italian sample)

Italian North_Italian_HGDP01147 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01151 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01152 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01153 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01154 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01155 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01156 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01157 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01171 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01172 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01173 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01174 0 0 0 -9
Italian North_Italian_HGDP01177 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01161 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01162 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01163 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01164 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01166 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01167 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01168 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_HGDP01169 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20502 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20504 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20505 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20506 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20508 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20509 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20510 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20517 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20519 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20520 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20521 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20522 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20524 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20525 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20527 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20528 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20529 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20530 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20534 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20535 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20538 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20539 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20540 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20541 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20542 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20543 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20544 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20581 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20582 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20586 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20588 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20589 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20752 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20753 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20754 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20755 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20756 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20757 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20758 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20759 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20760 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20761 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20765 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20766 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20768 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20770 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20771 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20772 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20773 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20774 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20775 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20778 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20783 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20785 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20787 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20790 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20792 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20795 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20796 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20797 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20799 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20800 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20802 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20803 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20804 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20805 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20806 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20807 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20808 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20809 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20810 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20811 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20812 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20813 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20815 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20816 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20818 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20819 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20826 0 0 0 -9
Italian Tuscan_NA20828 0 0 0 -9

Jovialis
13-09-17, 01:41
Hmmm, I wonder how I would score on that thing.

Let's see...


200% SSA
50% Arabic
-428% Italian
Googolplex% Jewish
72% North African
1% Eastern Central Europe Western Puerto Rican

Angela
13-09-17, 01:45
So, it has all the reference samples for the two areas between which I usually score (Bergamo and Hap Map or near Firenze in Toscana), and all my ancestors for about 800 and probably closer to 1000 years are from the area where the "Italian" component supposedly peaks going by the map, and yet I score only 22% Italian?

How is this supposed to be useful?

Pratt
13-09-17, 01:59
So, it has all the reference samples for the two areas between which I usually score (Bergamo and Hap Map or near Firenze in Toscana), and all my ancestors for about 800 and probably closer to 1000 years are from the area where the "Italian" component supposedly peaks going by the map, and yet I score only 22% Italian?

How is this supposed to be useful?

I have great doubts about the theoretical framework behind the K36, I have the feeling that all the samples available were used and then the components were created. But 22% is quite a normal score for both Tuscans and Bergamasks. Lombards, Emilians, Ligurians usually score around 24/25% as average. Tuscans slightly more (26% on average), but there is a large individual variability. There are some Tuscans who score 20% and some Lombards who score 30%.

These are the averages from a spreadsheet done on anthrogenica.

IT_Tuscany 26.351
IT_North 24.70.
Swiss_Italian 24.52
IT_Lazio 24.22
IT_Abruzzo 24.12
IT_Campania 23.02
IT_Sardinia 23.00
IT_Marche 22.94
IT_Apulia 22.22
IT_Aosta 21.64
IT_Calabria 21.48
IT_Piedmont 20.76
IT_Veneto 20.45
IT_Friuli 19.835

Sicily

Sicily_Ragusa 21.46
Sicily_Trapani 21.365
Sicily_Catania 21.195
Sicily_Messina 19.68
Sicily_Caltanisetta 19.05

Angela
13-09-17, 02:14
Ok, I misremembered. I get about 24% for "Italian", and about 19% for Iberian. Still makes no sense, imo, but to each their own.

LeBrok
13-09-17, 03:39
It speaks for itself. Most of these "peak" areas are nowhere near where the "names" would indicate. Just take a look at where Eastern European peaks, or Central Euro, or even East Central Euro, which is actually Latvia. Brittany is a good stand in for all of France? For goodness sakes', the academic sample is Lyon. Central Europe is now, what? Poland???I think I was right not to pay any attention to it.Technically, it is in geographical center of Europe by some measures and very close according to others. Europe goes way to Ural mountains. Vast Russian European part skews proportions, I guess.

davef
13-09-17, 05:53
Hmmm, I wonder how I would score on that thing.
Let's see...
200% SSA
50% Arabic
-428% Italian
Googolplex% Jewish
72% North African
1% Eastern Central Europe Western Puerto Rican
HERES MINR
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 30
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 20
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -
Flying Chipmunk 2
Indo European 48
100 percent Übermenschen

Can someone help plz? I don't get reslts, y I socre indo eurpoen ?

davef
13-09-17, 06:25
Here's what I got in 23 and me's Nordic or Not test:

50 % Norse Conqueror 50 % Indo European Steppe Invador

100 % Übermenschen 0 % Non-Übermenschen

If Angela can help me understand my scores, that'll be great

Constantine
13-09-17, 08:06
I score more Italian that some Italians I've seen (21% if I remember right) and I'm Peloponnesian with some Arvanite ancestry. Tuscan is usually at or near the top on Oracle-type stuff, like a lot of Greeks I've seen.

Dibran
13-09-17, 14:59
I score more Italian that some Italians I've seen (21% if I remember right) and I'm Peloponnesian with some Arvanite ancestry. Tuscan is usually at or near the top on Oracle-type stuff, like a lot of Greeks I've seen.

Same with me(I am Albanian). Interestingly mine, and my fathers Italian component is extremely atypical. I don't think its particularly Italian but some type of central med component. I get 32 percent IT almost, and my father is almost 35 percent. It gives us a huge shift towards Tuscan which is usually in the top 3 with Albanian or Greek in some order or other.

Dibran
13-09-17, 15:03
I have great doubts about the theoretical framework behind the K36, I have the feeling that all the samples available were used and then the components were created. But 22% is quite a normal score for both Tuscans and Bergamasks. Lombards, Emilians, Ligurians usually score around 24/25% as average. Tuscans slightly more (26% on average), but there is a large individual variability. There are some Tuscans who score 20% and some Lombards who score 30%.

These are the averages from a spreadsheet done on anthrogenica.

IT_Tuscany 26.351
IT_North 24.70.
Swiss_Italian 24.52
IT_Lazio 24.22
IT_Abruzzo 24.12
IT_Campania 23.02
IT_Sardinia 23.00
IT_Marche 22.94
IT_Apulia 22.22
IT_Aosta 21.64
IT_Calabria 21.48
IT_Piedmont 20.76
IT_Veneto 20.45
IT_Friuli 19.835

Sicily

Sicily_Ragusa 21.46
Sicily_Trapani 21.365
Sicily_Catania 21.195
Sicily_Messina 19.68
Sicily_Caltanisetta 19.05


I score extremely atypical values for this component. My father moreso.

Me:

23andme - 32%
LivingDNA- 31%
AncestryDNA - 29%

My fathers 23 results - 35%

Constantine
13-09-17, 15:46
Yeah, I doubt it's recent Italian ancestry. It's probably due to parts of Italy, Greece, and Albania retaining similar levels of DNA derived from one of the ancient migrations of people that passed through those areas, though I'm not sure exactly how K36 works.

Dibran
13-09-17, 16:11
Yeah, I doubt it's recent Italian ancestry. It's probably due to parts of Italy, Greece, and Albania retaining similar levels of DNA derived from one of the ancient migrations of people that passed through those areas, though I'm not sure exactly how K36 works.


Someone on Anthrogenica mentioned it was a Central Mediterranean component, that by default would be stronger in Italians. I think they mentioned it was derived from a Neolithic central Mediterranean. If my memory serves.

Pratt
17-09-17, 02:03
I score extremely atypical values for this component. My father moreso.

Me:

23andme - 32%
LivingDNA- 31%
AncestryDNA - 29%

My fathers 23 results - 35%

You're atypical even for Italian standards. Of course the Italian component doesn't imply "Italian ancestry".

Constantine
17-09-17, 04:41
Someone on Anthrogenica mentioned it was a Central Mediterranean component, that by default would be stronger in Italians. I think they mentioned it was derived from a Neolithic central Mediterranean. If my memory serves.

You're Gheg right? Aren't they originally from higher up in the NW Balkans (closer to northern Italy) and have remained isolated in the mountains for a long time?

Aha
17-09-17, 08:31
You guys take K36 component nicknames way too literally. Creator clearly misnamed many of them.
He named them by the areas of origin of his references, and might have not suspected they would peak in different areas.

But he also mentioned that those components do not represent recent ancestry. So basically any modern nation label there is technically a labeling mistake (like French or Italian. Good thing he didn't name Iberian Spanish)

Aha
17-09-17, 08:41
After studying people's results for quite some time, I would rename the following components:

Fennoscandian to Finnish or Finnic (East Finns score 75-80%)
East_Central_Euro to Baltic (Lithuanian score up to 37%; Latvians up to 36%)
French to Celtic (it peaks in the Celtic populations, not only in Bretagne; also in countries who had Celtic history)
East Balkan to Balkan
Near Eastern to something different. This one peaks in Egypt, while Places of reference of this one are dominated by Eastern Med component.
Italian to Central Med
North African could be Berber (although not sure)

Stuvanè
17-09-17, 14:17
Ok, I misremembered. I get about 24% for "Italian", and about 19% for Iberian. Still makes no sense, imo, but to each their own.

Angela, me too: I'm 22.65% Italian and 16.54% Iberian

mwauthy
17-09-17, 18:52
After studying people's results for quite some time, I would rename the following components:

Fennoscandian to Finnish or Finnic (East Finns score 75-80%)
East_Central_Euro to Baltic (Lithuanian score up to 37%; Latvians up to 36%)
French to Celtic (it peaks in the Celtic populations, not only in Bretagne; also in countries who had Celtic history)
East Balkan to Balkan
Near Eastern to something different. This one peaks in Egypt, while Places of reference of this one are dominated by Eastern Med component.
Italian to Central Med
North African could be Berber (although not sure)

I always wondered why my friend who is primarily Irish and English received a higher "French" score than me who has two French speaking parents. Seeing the "French" score peak in Brittany it now makes sense to me.

mlukas
18-09-17, 15:07
Component maps. There were also in separate thread.

East-Central Euro component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1qn9U_KX3mSokoD0CvDEq unkW1TfWaIsK442f1cjS&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=57.43906083118785&lng=44.57116317500006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/central-east-euro-eurogenes-k36.jpg

Eastern Euro component
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1pSEjMJ8cAs0sehmsYRAo J-GqYBoyBiq34BDUDXAy&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=55.5473056349416&lng=41.14342880000004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)


http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/eastern-euro-eurogenes-k36.jpg

North Sea component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1LUbOH90iPlnDYDLedwPU L29kNi9nIndPYbonkG3J&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=51.6930175345978&lng=34.02428817500006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/north-sea-eurogenes-k36.jpg

North Atlantic component
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1zUXmvSj-l4wjmRaGhNvVaMWVhpSwzd3MI8q9Be08&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=57.39172783399162&lng=44.74694442500006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/north-atlantic-eurogenes-k36.jpg

Italian component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+18uMhymBNqY14JivyXkk8 eNsfysiXRCj-BrhDKpjc&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=45.85179118954242&lng=32.79381942500004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/italian-eurogenes-k36.jpg

Fennoscandian component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1kjmDZwSit6ZL7cdFBnyo xW91WcG-oUSBzHI-pAfF&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=53.403008773050175&lng=46.32897567500004&t=1&z=3&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)


http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fennoscandian-eurogenesk36.jpg

Iberian component frequency

https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1S9OsfFa7kILH5um5mJsF vWVGDzHX-DEWD9tYB-Rs&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=43.02877747317239&lng=26.377803800000038&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/iberiank36.jpg

French component

https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1JGt7aOB_Lm5zggl0rbGZ ccy4cYDNR5KBnIcYifIs&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=52.609746157787065&lng=37.10046005000006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)


http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/frenchk36.jpg

Basque component frequency

https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1dgPttHlS_F3Y7ClPuy1D fvNFqpc_a2Wb5UfiwFK9&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=54.61664257776162&lng=43.82409286250006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bask36.jpg

Volga-Ural component frequency

https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1grj4UZ_TNCHB7iyWu2PE Pvl2Yqb7rOEJwICF6Wyx&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=48.392767135582105&lng=62.54479598750006&t=1&z=3&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/vol.jpg


Central Euro component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1VUqu0dIwfp0GhhNAS4rB zaAmqnr0IdskZOM6a-ah&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=54.07875439828539&lng=39.47350692500004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/central-euro-k36-map.jpg

[B]East-Balkan component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1n9qouPForoGYp3lKXDeO RsAy070_5XjH2NA-wsNP&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=49.117057890809996&lng=45.80163192500004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/east-balkan-eurogenesk36.jpg

[B]West-Med component frequency
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+19odTwWUQKzoyHIO5wulH hzau6pUJffY4y2MN_Rm7&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=42.99664455710816&lng=33.45299911250006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)


http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/westmed.jpg

mlukas
18-09-17, 15:12
Components with non-euro centres of concentrations:)

East-Med component
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+13EYDFMi-gT5UfVjbQHWcBOTSoHgRF8ycpotHsIJ_&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=34.876954606922105&lng=47.99889755000006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/east-med-eurogenes-k36.jpg
North Caucasian component
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/north-caucasian-eurogenes-k36.jpg
(https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1BdqmcarDJDzrFr8DV2el yAaT8GOrFD4fwy0qvDM3&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=44.6139653247553&lng=71.28991317500005&t=1&z=3&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
West Caucasian component frequency
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1Vba4nYJaG-admuH9tsEqBqljhqVfvevr3YLvd5sR&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=34.55184767275402&lng=39.60534286250006&t=1&z=5&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/west-caucasian.jpg
Armenian component frequency
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1WeGp_w0rKPm6Pak0gE3A xs77ysiugqFFEhdVhjrf&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=35.77329335347398&lng=50.19616317500006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/armeniank36.jpg
Near Eastern component frequency
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1ArsD5CwGbWtYX3eiesIT CXddl_vEs_G4hhqK9Fvu&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=29.219340546554253&lng=40.66003036250006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ne36.jpg
Arabic component frequency
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1i0v4-nSyzZvTSMWtNvFZEu0jcKsw55YjNXQswwY2&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=29.065811415708904&lng=38.99010848750004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/arabian.jpg

North-East African component frequency
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ne.jpg
North African component frequency

https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1Wx2egeBI5Kh6gsM8ZlzG mbSCzwMifyxmLg2mW9DZ&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=34.73262043065225&lng=32.04674911250006&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/na.jpg http://www.anthrogenica.com/clear.gif (http://www.anthrogenica.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=280966&noquote=1)
South Central Asian component frequency
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1vOUkBBUo7MfYJjvK1vaJ ArRfOa_D1aEpbAW4_SHO&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=45.637117915375484&lng=63.59948348750004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/sca.jpg
South Asian component frequency
https://fusiontables.googleuserconte...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1tXuHtItFnnX1Ey6A3sLQ oGKpWgjgpe3CHA4VuXEE&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=40.052881341698864&lng=72.30065536250004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)
http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/southasian.jpg

mlukas
18-09-17, 15:21
Siberian component
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+103q97hVH1o1gPOz1xWJk-Fp4ivlM3ERqCRSpctL9&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=52.609746157787086&lng=79.55163192500004&t=1&z=3&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/siberian-eurogenes-k36.jpg

East Central Asian component frequency
https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1m9gDEcytmL54PHlDxcLw XU3Uya4Iif847S9WLC6h&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=48.15878670790628&lng=70.01549911250005&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/eca.jpg

East_Asian component frequency

https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=5&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1qtvoq4VNGGiaagXWm-Djyv3P7ryGTrcLfNPR_jJk&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=39.58032424707222&lng=73.61901473750004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=KML)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/east-asian.jpg

South_Chinese component frequency

https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1HPgo_9vwoDJ0Lpwqcf4Y WIIx76eyE4_deTQWecKo&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=40.052881341698864&lng=72.30065536250004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/south_chinese.jpg


Amerindian component frequency

https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...hml=GEOCODABLE (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39+from+1RfIhTaoETaFtPLUTqLTQ b25bBvPYap9HnqFfwPQl&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=54.57845524447243&lng=68.16979598750004&t=1&z=4&l=col39&y=4&tmplt=5&hml=GEOCODABLE)

http://k36.physical-anthropology.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ame.jpg

mlukas
18-09-17, 15:22
If you want to see exact percentage of component for each region. Open every google map and click on specific region:)
Every map is scalable.


BTW this is example of individual map, which shows highest to lowest correaltion of individual K36 vales and regional averages.

Person of British and minor Swedish ancestry.

Google map:https://fusiontables.google.com/embe...mplt=2&hml=KML (https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39%3E%3E1+from+14IAM6Ce799_xC-Y1HCqpCEGTThv3zXEoULBt71cu&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=55.72066841118892&lng=31.11102718749999&t=1&z=4&l=col39%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2ywic0i.jpg

Wheal
18-09-17, 15:54
My father:


Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
-


Basque
1.35


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
10.95


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.52


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
2.97


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
5.22


Fennoscandian
7.30


French
6.54


Iberian
18.08


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
10.34


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
8.72


North_Caucasian
4.04


North_Sea
19.51


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
1.68


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
-


West_Med
1.79

Wheal
18-09-17, 15:57
My Mother:


Population



Amerindian
-


Arabian
-


Armenian
2.22


Basque
2.31


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
6.02


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
0.49


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
5.49


East_Med
0.59


Eastern_Euro
7.34


Fennoscandian
8.27


French
5.50


Iberian
11.90


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
10.44


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
14.73


North_Caucasian
0.60


North_Sea
18.73


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
-


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
-


South_Central_Asian
-


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
-


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
2.98


West_Med
2.40

Tomenable
19-09-17, 12:50
It speaks for itself. Most of these "peak" areas are nowhere near where the "names" would indicate. Just take a look at where Eastern European peaks, or Central Euro, or even East Central Euro, which is actually Latvia. Brittany is a good stand in for all of France? For goodness sakes', the academic sample is Lyon. Central Europe is now, what? Poland???I think I was right not to pay any attention to it.

Before you decide that these peak areas make no sense, maybe you should first check what ancient samples score? I did this and I can tell you that samples from Iron Age Poland already had a lot of Central Euro (actually more than modern Poles) and ancient samples from Lithuania had a lot of East Central Euro (actually more than modern Lithuanians - whereas in case of Fennoscandian, modern Lithuanians have more than ancients).

When it comes to what ancient samples score in Eurogenes K36:

East Central Euro peaks in RISE598, an Early Iron / Late Bronze sample from Sudovia (Lithuania-Poland border). Central Euro component peaks in ancient Wielbark culture samples (Iron Age Poland), in Early Medieval samples from Bohemia and Poland, as well as in modern Poles (but modern Poles score a lower % than ancient samples). Eastern Euro peaks close to the Ural Mountains (which happens to be the eastern border of Europe based on geographical and genetic common sense - Ural is the main barrier to gene flow in this region).

Does it make sense to call it Central Euro if it peaks in ancient Wielbark Culture samples? It probably represents a Pre-Slavic substrate in Poland (and perhaps Pre-Germanic as well). But the original Proto-Slavs could actually also have it. It looks like a shared ancestry between East Germanic and Proto-Slavic peoples. But there are differences in frequencies of other components between East Germanic and Early Slavic samples.

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Okay Angela, I actually agree that these names would make more sense:

Central Euro ---> should be renamed to East Central Euro

East Central Euro ---> should be renamed to Balto-Slavic (?)

Tomenable
19-09-17, 12:54
.....and would we expect "French" to be that much different from "North Atlantic"?

Why do we even have a "French" component? I really don't see the point.

Frenchies are different, deal with it... ;)

mlukas
19-09-17, 13:03
East Central Euro peaks in RISE598, which is an Early Iron / Late Bronze sample from Lithuania-Poland border.



Map of correlation of RISE598 component breakdown in K36 to modern regional averages. Speaks for itself.

Google map: https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39%3E%3E1+from+1MKrmO0e0mLPPR IuHkNxmXUgLq7nIwdfTwIq9H2Sx&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=53.66390348216345&lng=29.309269374999985&t=1&z=5&l=col39%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

http://i64.tinypic.com/29qm653.jpg

Tomenable
19-09-17, 13:05
Map of correlation of RISE598 component breakdown in K36 to modern regional averages. Speaks for itself.

Google map: https://fusiontables.googleusercontent.com/embedviz?q=select+col39%3E%3E1+from+1MKrmO0e0mLPPR IuHkNxmXUgLq7nIwdfTwIq9H2Sx&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=53.66390348216345&lng=29.309269374999985&t=1&z=5&l=col39%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

http://i64.tinypic.com/29qm653.jpg

It is amazing that modern Poles from Sudovia (Suwalszczyzna) are actually more similar to RISE598 than modern Lithuanians. :) I think it shows that there is a great deal of population continuity in Sudovia since the Late Bronze Age or Early Iron Age (despite all of those Medieval crusades against the Yotvingians / Sudovians).

It also shows that North-Eastern Poles are actually Slavicized Balts (probably West Balts).

mlukas
19-09-17, 13:11
BR2 sample from Bronze Age Kyatice culture. Correlation to modern regional averages. Contrary to some unsupported claims, biggest correlations is with Austria, not Poland:)

Google map: https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39%3E%3E1+from+1tsRWW2BbypxB1 He1XOqFLmSgdssgibKY9rLSq08j&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=46.792229032061186&lng=18.718449062499985&t=1&z=5&l=col39%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

http://i63.tinypic.com/160y2dg.jpg

Tomenable
19-09-17, 13:19
In the study it had the biggest amount of contribution to modern Poles (but it was actual ancestry contribution rather than genetic similarity, I think this is what makes the difference):

"Haplotype donations" is the term they use (not "haplotype similarity"):

https://s23.postimg.org/biopv521n/image.png

It contributed to modern Poles more than to other populations.

But even this contribution to modern Poles is 1/5 - 1/4 (no more).

Nobody claimed that BR2 is the majority of modern Polish DNA.

Tomenable
19-09-17, 13:21
Your map shows haplotype similarity, not haplotype donations.

In some cases high similarity = high donations, but not always.

Tomenable
19-09-17, 13:29
For example who has more of Spanish ancestry - Peruvians or Poles? The answer is Peruvians.

But who is more genetically similar to Spaniards - Peruvians or Poles? The answer is Poles.

Maybe Austrians are more similar to BR2, but Poles have more of BR2 ancestry.

Dibran
19-09-17, 20:49
After studying people's results for quite some time, I would rename the following components:

Fennoscandian to Finnish or Finnic (East Finns score 75-80%)
East_Central_Euro to Baltic (Lithuanian score up to 37%; Latvians up to 36%)
French to Celtic (it peaks in the Celtic populations, not only in Bretagne; also in countries who had Celtic history)
East Balkan to Balkan
Near Eastern to something different. This one peaks in Egypt, while Places of reference of this one are dominated by Eastern Med component.
Italian to Central Med
North African could be Berber (although not sure)

Would Central Med be Italic Tribes/Romans or even older? My father scores 35 percent and me 32. Very Atypical. Even for Albanians.

mlukas
19-09-17, 21:01
Would Central Med be Italic Tribes/Romans or even older? My father scores 35 percent and me 32. Very Atypical. Even for Albanians.

I think it is simply Central Med neolithic component. Predating Italics / Romans.
At first it dominanted all lands near Adriatic Sea. I think Slav migration reduced it in North-West Balkans, but it is still high in Albanians. Why it is so discontinouity now.

zanipolo
19-09-17, 21:04
BR2 sample from Bronze Age Kyatice culture. Correlation to modern regional averages. Contrary to some unsupported claims, biggest correlations is with Austria, not Poland:)

Google map: https://fusiontables.google.com/embedviz?q=select+col39%3E%3E1+from+1tsRWW2BbypxB1 He1XOqFLmSgdssgibKY9rLSq08j&viz=MAP&h=false&lat=46.792229032061186&lng=18.718449062499985&t=1&z=5&l=col39%3E%3E1&y=2&tmplt=2&hml=KML

http://i63.tinypic.com/160y2dg.jpg

this one plus stuttgart are my closest for ancient samples

Dibran
19-09-17, 21:12
I think it is simply Central Med neolithic component. Predating Italics / Romans.
At first it dominanted all lands near Adriatic Sea. I think Slav migration reduced it in North-West Balkans, but it is still high in Albanians. Why it is so discontinouity now.

I see. Thanl you. Makes sense. Only thing I wonder, why would we have it even higher than Albanians on average? Especially given our Ydna.

mlukas
19-09-17, 23:28
In the study it had the biggest amount of contribution to modern Poles (but it was actual ancestry contribution rather than genetic similarity, I think this is what makes the difference):

"Haplotype donations" is the term they use (not "haplotype similarity"):

https://s23.postimg.org/biopv521n/image.png

It contributed to modern Poles more than to other populations.

But even this contribution to modern Poles is 1/5 - 1/4 (no more).

Nobody claimed that BR2 is the majority of modern Polish DNA.

How do you explain very atypical Polish, Welsh, Tuscan and South Italian affinity on above map:) There is no way Poles and Welshmen, or Polish nad Tuscan could be in one, autosomal cluster. It tell me only she was realy stupid if she believed those map is correct.

Pax Augusta
20-09-17, 02:54
How do you explain very atypical Polish, Welsh, Tuscan and South Italian affinity on above map:) There is no way Poles and Welshmen, or Polish nad Tuscan could be in one, autosomal cluster. It tell me only she was realy stupid if she believed those map is correct.

It tells me that you've not understood the study, she doesn't even use the term autosomal.

She was really stupid? She was actually a PhD candidate at the Trinity College, Dublin. Where (university) have you got your PhD in genetics, mlukas?

Angela
20-09-17, 02:58
@lukas,

Where is it said or implied by the authors that those ethnic groups are in the same genetic cluster? That isn't what they're saying. You have to understand the terms that geneticists use or else you won't understand the papers.