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tjlowery87
13-04-13, 04:14
Is haplogroup I paleoethic European......?

tjlowery87
13-04-13, 22:42
any body got any theories?

Anthro-inclined
13-04-13, 22:52
any body got any theories?
I devulged my theories on paleolithic European haplogroups in this thread,
www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28389-Possible-new-cro-magnon-haplogroup
among them were F3 and C7.

adamo
13-04-13, 22:55
Haplogroup I is pretty much the oldest male European lineage to enter Europe, they are linked to the gravettian culture.

tjlowery87
14-04-13, 00:47
would haplogroup I be with cro magnons

spruithean
14-04-13, 00:52
would haplogroup I be with cro magnons

Some have said that Haplogroup I was one of the haplogroups of the Cro-Magnon, but we can't know for sure.

adamo
14-04-13, 01:50
I think it was the very first bulk of Cro-mangoes the next to come had predominantly R1b I believe that to be aurignacian culture, the r1bs came shortly after the I men.

tjlowery87
14-04-13, 02:46
i4000163 (P212)

T
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png
A


rs2032597 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032597) (M170)
C (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032597)
A
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png
C


rs2319818 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2319818) (U179)
A (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2319818)
G
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png
A


rs9341301 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs9341301) (M258)
C (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs9341301)
T
https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png
C


these are haplogroup I markers correct

tjlowery87
14-04-13, 02:53
I don't know if 23 and me test the p.19 snpr or not

Jackson
14-04-13, 03:02
If there are any y lineages left from that time, I is the best candidate, but it may not be.

tjlowery87
14-04-13, 03:43
i4000163 (P212)


T

https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png

A



rs2032597 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032597) (M170)

C (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2032597)

A

https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png

C



rs2319818 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2319818) (U179)

A (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs2319818)

G

https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png

A



rs9341301 (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs9341301) (M258)

C (https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/snp/?snp_name=rs9341301)

T

https://23andme.https.internapcdn.net/res/img/younome/labs/projects/haplogroup_tree_mut_mapper/-w08I87MJivCTfoqtmE18w_arrow_small.png

C



these are haplogroup I markers correct





this is the snp chart they tested to get I haplogroup

tjlowery87
14-04-13, 05:25
what are defining mutations does someone have to have every defining mutations of just a few

diverclic
31-05-13, 20:56
I won't start a thread on it but we are at the edge of a big change in term of SNP data. The 1000 genomes project collected many new Y SNPs and many are still not included in the ISOGG tree. Geno 2.0 the new chip used by the genographic project is using an unprecedented set of Y SNPs from the 1000 genomes project , from Chris Taylor Smith, From some chinese sequencing and from some Sardinian sequencing (+ those already known). A lot of data a presently accumulating but very little is known on forums such as this one. just to give an idea : at the root of I1 there are presently 24 SNPs (it's a specificity of I1 to have this long list of synonymous SNPs at the root) but with Geno 2.0 this figure should go around 72 SNPs (from partial results) ; at the I2 root there are only 2 SNPs on ISOGG but Geno 2.0 knows 12 (or about -to be confirmed), quite a change.
Why is it related to paleolithic human groups ? SNPs will allow a better estimation of the age of the branches in the Y tree. Presently, I believe that several ages are very inaccurate. By the way I also have some suspicion against the many ancient DNA haplogroup designation.
So, I consider as a possibility that [IJ] was the only Y haplogroup in Europe. As the glaciation isolated Europe IJ had an "in situ" evolution to I (and to J in the middle east). I subsequently split into I1 and I2. This scheme is similar to the mitochondrial U --> U5 --> U5a and U5b with the possibility that U also evolved in U2.
What's above isn't a demonstration of what occurred but it's a demonstration that a "simple" scheme is possible. An in situ evolution of Y-DNA I / mtDNA U would explain a specific european type.