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grandpa broon
19-05-13, 19:07
I have been researching the dna test results I have, and some of the dna seems to be more common in the Ashkenazi Jews - how do I find out more information to confirm this?

Nasturtium
19-05-13, 23:10
I have been researching the dna test results I have, and some of the dna seems to be more common in the Ashkenazi Jews - how do I find out more information to confirm this?

Where did you hear this? J1c is not an Ashkenazi founder mitochondrial lineage, it is a Eurasian mitochondrial lineage which is much older than than Jewish religion, estimated to be 13,072.3 years old.

The Ashkenazi founder mtdna lineages were found to be K1a1b1a, K1a9, K2a2a, and N1b: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/43026_Doron.pdf

Among J's, the only subclade I know of that has shown to be more common Ashkenazi Jew's is J1c7a. Ashkenazi Jew's do carry subclades of J1c but it is not specific to them and it's surely a result of intermarriage with neighboring populations within Europe. Because of Jewish cultural and marriage practices, genetic mutations can sometimes appear to be Ashkenazi founder mutations when they are not. 23andme lists J1c as British and Scandinavian, btw, though J1c and subclades range across Europe and beyond.

I have some links that maternal J's may be interested in:

My Maternal J spreadsheet, mostly customers of 23andme:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqARKoDx3EVHdGJkd3ptRVhDSll2WHFocmg0SU0ta UE&hl=en_US#gid=0


Mtdna Inheritance chart:
http://www.kerchner.com/mtdnachart.htm


Here's the most recent paper about J (that I know of):
On the Structure and Age of Haplogroup JT ˗ A Phylogenetic Tour
http://www.jogg.info/72/files/Logan.pdf


And here's a great source for looking at J's subclades and some maps of where they occur:
http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/journals/0002-9297/PIIS0002929712002042.mmc1.pdf


Age estimates of Mtdna subclades - J’s start pg. 107:
http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/journals/0002-9297/PIIS0002929712001462.mmc1.pdf


Here's is a nice source to see where the different maternal haplogroups of Europe occur by percentage:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_haplogroups_frequency.shtml

Here’s a better mtdna J Famous relative: King Richard III J1c2c:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/348102/description/A_kings_final_hours_told_by_his_mortal_remains

grandpa broon
20-05-13, 18:33
thanks for the reply. I put the dna results through a search engine to find out more on the origins, which came up as Ashkenazi Jews.

adamo
21-05-13, 01:13
Very bizarre that a British man has mtdna J1c, its very/quite rare I must say in Britain. Takes place in a minority (1/10) 10% of British women which can even be considered relatively high in Europe if we exclude the 25% frequencies on the Arabian peninsula/fertile crescent regions. Most European countries have 5-10% mtdna J with the average being about 7-8.5% mtdna J. European highs are in Greece, Romania and Scotland (15%).

Grubbe
21-05-13, 18:51
Very bizarre that a British man hasmtdna J1c, its very/quite rare I must say in Britain. Takes place in a minority(1/10) 10% of British women which can even be considered relatively high inEurope if we exclude the 25% frequencies on the Arabian peninsula/fertilecrescent regions. Most European countries have 5-10% mtdna J with the averagebeing about 7-8.5% mtdna J. European highs are in Greece, Romania and Scotland(15%).

Why "bizarre"? As you say, there are quite a few Js everywhere in Europe; at present there are about 9 % Js in the Norway project at FTDNA, 80 % of them are J1s or subclades. My father is one of them, J1c2 going back to late 1500s in rural Norway.

grandpa broon
21-05-13, 20:58
I'm actually female - grandpa broon is the name of a favourite cartoon strip character. Funny you should mention Greece, looking at the migration map I got with the results , it looks like my ancestors went through Greece at some point. I live in Scotland