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The one above is the only pretty one but she has imperfections
The one above is the only pretty one but she has imperfections
Right, she's only human.
The most beautiful Italian woman (also Southern European) is Clizia Fornasier. She is from the Veneto, I think. Has awesome features.
http://www.rbcasting.com/image/image_gallery?img_id=26870
a more northern european med look, could pass in France, switzerland, czech rep, poland
The last one seems to be a mix of Natalie Portman and Angelina Jolie. She can pass in Israel too as Natalie and Angelina are Jewish ,I think.
yes, i see some resemblance with portman
albanopolis
31-05-13, 23:26
In general Southern Italian, Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian women for that matter are not beautiful. The few that are beautiful are have no match or competitors. No ather country (maybe France) can come close. The countries where women are generaly beautiful are Chek women, Poles, Swedish, Danes.
The most beautiful woman is carla ossa (Colombian of Spanish descent).
I won't throw any out of the bed :grin:
http://www.rbcasting.com/image/image_gallery?img_id=26870
a more northern european med look, could pass in France, switzerland, czech rep, poland
She is Clizia Fornasier noted from post #9
Yes, and those kind of beauties and fenotipes are those exported in holliwood and abroad (think of bellucci, Sofia loren), a girl with the phenotype of cristiana capotondi or Martina stella isn't searched abroad as an italian actress.
I noticed italian actresses dominate Hollywood in regards to European beauties - Silavana Mangano, Sohia Loren, Gina Lollobrigida, Pier Angeli, Laura Antonelli, Daniela Bianchi, Barbara Bouchet, Monica Belucci, Claudia Cadinale, Virna Lisi, Sylva Koscina, Elsa Martinelli, Alyssa Milano, Luciana Paluzzi, Rosana Podesta, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_actresses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian-American_actors
http://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-italian-actresses/celeb-stalker
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until today she is consider as national star in Greece
http://www.pinnokio.gr/Uploads/images/alikimauro.jpg
aliki Vougiouklaki (αλικη βουγιουκλακη)
she was wavy light brown(brown-blonde) hair, but she insist to colour them yellow-blonde.
http://www.kathemera.gr/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/aliki1-280x245.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSONHyh4tCbG-E0ywLeBkKDIEcTuQjkhqdpRSe8jvZBEtbNAk73xA
the beauty of some people is that what ever colour, what ever style, they always are in top.
Pier Angeli - from Sardinia - Classical Mediterranean [Gracile Medit.]
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNonU_wY6t-2HEQaB6wmlHwTeWoUaHGwc_4rmZtp7n0uZB6dw7UQ
........whats good enough for James Dean is good enough for me
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Is this you, Julia?
If so, you can also go to hollywood............there is nothing wrong with this beauty
no, i'm not.. she's a Miss Italy.. XD
My sister looks better than that, and she's a miss 'nobody special in society".
She is Clizia Fornasier noted from post #9
Yes, and she deserves more pics.. :wink:
http://www.seratiamo.it/img/cms/qqinhramto5qmk450jm3l0m12009826175153_Prefix_Name_ CliziaFornasier_grande.jpg
http://ilarge.listal.com/image/4184182/936full-clizia-fornasier.jpg
More internationally famous.. Italian actresses
Asia Argento (Ancient Etruscan look!). Triple X..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CcO6T7cMAjg/T7NWQoxbYhI/AAAAAAAAAx4/KI02iJj_gyE/s1600/asia_argento_12-1024.jpg
Violante Placido, she appeared alongside George Clooney in the drama-thriller The American.
http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Violante-Placido-hairstyle.jpg
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Cristiana Capotondi, played the Austrian Empress Elisabeth of Bavaria in an German/Austrian/Italian modern co-production of 'Sissi'.
http://blog.leiweb.it/novella2000/files/2010/11/cristiana-capotondi-in-una-scena-di-come-tu-mi-vuoi-48871-460x703.jpg
They all look pretty European to me, and not at all Etruscan, and ugly, Etruscan girls are particular, very olive skin and black hair, looking very "distinct" from typical European females. Almost like an extension of the Judeo-Armenian race, you can find them in Italy, Italo-Americans, Italo-Canadians, they are everywhere lol
Wats that girls name of miss italia I want to see another photo of her
Vallicanus
05-06-13, 10:52
They all look pretty European to me, and not at all Etruscan, and ugly, Etruscan girls are particular, very olive skin and black hair, looking very "distinct" from typical European females. Almost like an extension of the Judeo-Armenian race, you can find them in Italy, Italo-Americans, Italo-Canadians, they are everywhere lol
Please can we have pictures of these modern "Etruscan" girls you so dislike.
I'm not good with italian celebrities so. Couldn't name you any famous ones but I know exactly what I am talking about, there are the mixed ones that have black hair and brown eyes but are still white and then there are the ones that look like they're from Palestine or Arabia, really dark.
Here are some Greco-Roman chicks - straight out of Magna Graecia
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/files/bikini-history.jpg
Yeah. Look at those faces. Thick eyebrows, eyes too close to each other, black hair; an Etruscan Jew face lol, with those heavy thick black eyebrows reminiscent of middle eastern Ionian Greeks.
Some are beautiful though, there are many exceptions as in all other ethnic groups! : )
I have a saying: I have never seen an ethnic group with superior or only good-looking people (95% of people of ALL ethnic groups are ugly or average looking) but I've never seen an ethnic group that didn't at least have 1 good-looking person.
Vallicanus
05-06-13, 16:05
Are you anti-Jewish?
it sounds like it.
My idea of what you call "Etruscan" is Sofia Loren who comes from Campania not Tuscany anyway.
Well you got the wrong idea, she's way too white to be an Etruscan.
No I'm not anti-Jewish, quick to point fingers I see lol
Asia Argento is quite similar to me, typology wise. There is a reason too she's half tuscan.
Asia Argento is quite similar to me, typology wise. There is a reason too she's half tuscan.
She looks lucchese ( NW tuscan) to me, a bit old etruscan and ligurian mix
More internationally famous.. Italian actresses
Asia Argento (Ancient Etruscan look!). Triple X..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CcO6T7cMAjg/T7NWQoxbYhI/AAAAAAAAAx4/KI02iJj_gyE/s1600/asia_argento_12-1024.jpg
Violante Placido, she appeared alongside George Clooney in the drama-thriller The American.
http://www.short-haircut.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Violante-Placido-hairstyle.jpg
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Cristiana Capotondi, played the Austrian Empress Elisabeth of Bavaria in an German/Austrian/Italian modern co-production of 'Sissi'.
http://blog.leiweb.it/novella2000/files/2010/11/cristiana-capotondi-in-una-scena-di-come-tu-mi-vuoi-48871-460x703.jpg
2nd picture looks typical trentina, south tyrol...petite
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad272/admilan89/Picture0090.jpg
That looks Etruscan to me
They all look pretty European to me, and not at all Etruscan, and ugly, Etruscan girls are particular, very olive skin and black hair, looking very "distinct" from typical European females. Almost like an extension of the Judeo-Armenian race, you can find them in Italy, Italo-Americans, Italo-Canadians, they are everywhere lol
You are imbued with prejudices.
Asia Argento is quite similar to me, typology wise. There is a reason too she's half tuscan.
Here is Asia's Tuscan mother, Daria Nicolodi (born in Florence, Tuscany). She doesn't have an Etruscan, Near Eastern or Mediterranean look (Or better, the Etruscan's or Mediterranean's stereotype according to you and Adamo). Asia Argento's father (Dario Argento) is of Sicilian origins. And according to me, Asia looks more like her father. So I guess Julia, that You have also some Sicilian inheritance.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcb3toh2ni1qdlvg6o1_r1_500.png
Dario Argento, Asia's father, of Sicilian origins.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Dario_Argento_at_the_Brussels_International_Fantas tic_Film_Festival_in_2007.jpg
Are you anti-Jewish?
it sounds like it.
My idea of what you call "Etruscan" is Sofia Loren who comes from Campania not Tuscany anyway.
Seems that Adamo has read too many books of Julius Evola and Adriano Romualdi, two well-known thinkers and supporters of Roman Neo-Fascism and two well-known denigrators of Etruscan civilization.
In case people dont know what Etruscans look like:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HgJKSVHC1EI/T5gKUdlA_GI/AAAAAAAABK4/UW1TSpbaOAk/s1600/Etruscan_Painting_1.jpg
http://sycalaelen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dancers_etruscans.jpg
http://www.southalabama.edu/univlib/instruction/coursepages/arh492.gif
Anthropologically the Etruscans are Dolichocphalic and closest to the Semitic Phoenicians [Pruner-Bey / Nicolucci]
Classification - Mediterranean and Medit./Orientalid [Caucasoid] sub-races
Historically the Etruscans are descended from the East Mediterranean
[Herodotus - Lydia / Dionysius - Thessaly]
Madison Grant - The Passing of the Great Race (1922)
-"The Umbrian state was afterward overwhelmed by the Tyrrhenians or Etruscans, who were of Mediterranean race and who, by 800 B.C. had extended their empire northward to the Alps and temporarily checked the advance of the Nordics."-
This can be considered a prove of inter-mixing with the Indo-European Umbrians
[Female Umbrian / Male Pelasgian Tyrsenoi]
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/219cc57b9474f74f441e680b754926d1/INH-558564.jpg
This can be considered a prove of inter-mixing with the Indo-European Umbrians
[Female Umbrian / Male Pelasgian Tyrsenoi]
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/219cc57b9474f74f441e680b754926d1/INH-558564.jpg
There is no doubt that Etruscans were mixed with Indo-European people (Umbrians, first of all). In many frescoes, there are blondie and redhead women.
In Fiesole, Northern Tuscany, in Etruscan inscriptions was found the surname Arianas.
Prendiamo, per esempio, il gentilizio Arianas registrato nell'Etruria interna, a Panzano presso Fiesole, e in un'epoca alta come il V, o forse addirittura il VI, secolo. Esso va interpretato direttamente e semplicemente come "ariano" e costituisce la forma etrusca che gli stessi "arii" o "ariani" usavano per identificarsi.
http://books.google.it/books?id=nOJdXgHV3xsC&pg=PA73
It's considered a prove that Etruscans inter-mixed with Indo-Arians people when They were still in Anatoly.
Dario Argento, Asia's father, is also part portuguese-(brazilian); very good Horror Movies
Dario Argento, Asia's father, is also part portuguese-(brazilian); very good Horror Movies
Right, his mother was Elda Luxardo, a brazilian-born fashion photographer.
Melissa Satta from Sardinia is a woman without rivals.
http://i.imgur.com/HjIsSBC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ssjVTlY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bHVQiH7.jpg
Nobody1 got it spot on. They resembled Assyrian types more or less, black thick hair, brown eyes etc.
In case people dont know what Etruscans look like:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HgJKSVHC1EI/T5gKUdlA_GI/AAAAAAAABK4/UW1TSpbaOAk/s1600/Etruscan_Painting_1.jpg
http://sycalaelen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dancers_etruscans.jpg
http://www.southalabama.edu/univlib/instruction/coursepages/arh492.gif
Anthropologically the Etruscans are Dolichocphalic and closest to the Semitic Phoenicians [Pruner-Bey / Nicolucci]
Classification - Mediterranean and Medit./Orientalid [Caucasoid] sub-races
Historically the Etruscans are descended from the East Mediterranean
[Herodotus - Lydia / Dionysius - Thessaly]
Madison Grant - The Passing of the Great Race (1922)
-"The Umbrian state was afterward overwhelmed by the Tyrrhenians or Etruscans, who were of Mediterranean race and who, by 800 B.C. had extended their empire northward to the Alps and temporarily checked the advance of the Nordics."-
This can be considered a prove of inter-mixing with the Indo-European Umbrians
[Female Umbrian / Male Pelasgian Tyrsenoi]
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/219cc57b9474f74f441e680b754926d1/INH-558564.jpg
This is another Etruscan fresco from [3rd cen BC] -Tarquinia;
http://www.maravot.com/Etruscan_banquet7.gif
pos. the Pelasgian Tyrsenoi did not migrate with a sufficient female population,
so they had to select amongst the pre-existing Indo-European Umbrians;
Dianatomia
09-06-13, 14:17
Dario Argento, Asia's father, of Sicilian origins.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Dario_Argento_at_the_Brussels_International_Fantas tic_Film_Festival_in_2007.jpg
That Sicilian looks so much like this Greek former Basketball coach, Kostas Politis.
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Cambrius (The Red)
12-06-13, 05:01
Phenotypically, Greeks and S. Italians / Sicilians are rather similar. They are near one another autosomally.
oreo_cookie
12-06-13, 06:23
Phenotypically, Greeks and S. Italians / Sicilians are rather similar. They are near one another autosomally.
Northern Greece (Macedonia, Thessaly, Epirus etc.) is a little bit different and more Balkan influenced genetically and phenotypically but overall southern Peloponnesians, Sicilians & Calabrese, Cretans, Aegean islanders, and Anatolian Greeks are very similar.
I'm probably off-topic (not alone though!) but do some of those (the top two in particular) Etruscan frescoes vaguely resemble Minoan frescoes or is it just me?
Etruscan:
http://people.ucls.uchicago.edu/~bwildem/art_hist_laba/etruscan/etr_leopards.png
Minoan:
http://www.visit-ancient-greece.com/image-files/knossos-fresco.jpg
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/ARTH209images/minoan/thera_antelope.jpg
you are correst,
Etruscan are also the Thyrrenians, the Pelasgians,
Anciently, the Minoans were anatolians, so where the Etruscans, these people where heavily J2a from turkey and before that links to many other parts of the northern Middle East (fertile crescent ex: turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Lebanon, northern Syria, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran etc. where J2a is still very frequent today.)
Ok sorry about that off-topic. Now then, on-topic:
Evelina Papantoniou.
http://www.digital-camera.gr/photos/ebelina_papantoniou.jpg
http://static.cinemarx.ro/poze/persoane-mari/2009/10/Evelina_Papantoniou_1254987947.jpg
http://www.ohsochic.gr/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/evelina_new-470x626.jpg
Athenian I think.
Yes, tuscany received in antiquity a wawe of commercial trade with Minoans, some Minoan Potter makers emigrated here; then finale the migrations of etruscan (their language was the same as the one in Lemnos island), an elite who imposed itself on the native population a mixture of pre indoeuropean italians (akin to sardinians) and indoeuropean people (italics and some gauls), the latter element pre indo was maybe more numerous.
this are todays tuscans, with also minor germanic elements.
Tuscany has very high R1b u152 like 35-37%. Modern Tuscans are very linked to franco-swiss Gauls that migrated from Switzerland, the "Sankt Gallen" a.k.a sanctuary of the gauls. 1 out of every 2 male lineages in Switzerland are R1b of the u-152/R-S28 variety. Not to mention much of France has 18-20% R1b u152. In fact, the Senones of north-eastern France on the border of Belgium, are founders of Siena before moving the opposite side to the Rimini area coast of Marche region. As for J2 in Tuscany, it never passes 15-20% in any part of the region but yes these are your "Minoan" types you speak of, Anatolian mainlanders to be more precise. In terms of "people akin to Sardinians" I have my doubts personal, they where overwhelmingly the minority in any case. There may ave been an earlier substratum of R1b u152 men as well, during an invasion that took place long before the Gallic invasions but this is merely speculation and certainly not fact. As for other germanics, yes there are rare few I1 men and other R1b subclades as well; the overwhelming minority though, seems Italy was hit hard by a Gallic invasion and much much less from a Germanic one.
the sardinean, is the substrate here, of pre indoeuropean:
Highest on sardinian
1 Sardinians
2 Basques
3 Iberians
4 Northern Italians
5 Tuscans
Yeah, the gallic element is very present here (but different to tell if it's gallic or italic)...
i could go on and on with people of gallic appearence here..
gianna nannini, pieraccioni, allegri..
people like those are more frequent than let's say david villa types or mario casas types, or cruz types.. to not say some extrem southern european types you find in iberia or greece.. like an albeloa alvaro.. could never be tuscan he would be seen as exhotic.. i dare to say germanic types are more frequent than albeloa alvaro types
probably celts and italics weren't so dissimilar...
the sardinean, is the substrate here, of pre indoeuropean:
Highest on sardinian
1 Sardinians
2 Basques
3 Iberians
4 Northern Italians
5 Tuscans
Yeah, the gallic element is very present here (but different to tell if it's gallic or italic)
Its the Italics; - the Indo-European Umbrians [Ambronen]
The Gauls never settled Tuscany and those that came to Italy were exterminated by the Romans (Italics);
Tuscans cluster closest to North Italians
DiGaetano et al 2012
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0043759
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0043759.g002&representation=PNG_M
Figure 2. SNP-Based PC of 1,014 individuals from the Italian dataset.
A. A Scatter Plot of the Italian population of the first two principal components obtained via R software (prcomp).
Individuals included belong to:
Northern Italy: black dots, Central Italy : red dots, Southern Italy : green dots, Sardinian: blue dots.
B. Italian population without the Sardinian-projected scatter plot of the first two principal components obtained via the R software (prcomp)
something that many other studies have confirmed,
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However the Skull Index is more Dolichocephalic in Tuscany than the Brachycephalic North
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/4074/biasutti.jpg
Acc. to J. Deniker: Tuscany is more Atlanto-Mediterranean (Caucasoid) and the
North [Piedmont/Lombardy] is more Alpinoid (Caucasoid);
In general Southern Italian, Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian women for that matter are not beautiful. The few that are beautiful are have no match or competitors. No ather country (maybe France) can come close. The countries where women are generaly beautiful are Chek women, Poles, Swedish, Danes.
So many Nordicists among you Meds,can't forget the looks I've gotten as a pale blonde :D
So many Nordicists among you Meds,can't forget the looks I've gotten as a pale blonde :D
yeah, but the reverse is also true ;-).. med people are apprecited in northern and central europe
albanopolis
23-06-13, 05:13
yeah, but the reverse is also true ;-).. med people are apprecited in northern and central europe
I know personally an American women of Swedish heretage. She was studing Italian language just to go to Italy to meet Italian men.
yeah, but the reverse is also true ;-).. med people are apprecited in northern and central europe
I don't know about Central Europe but some Brits do like Spaniards and Italians though I do not think they fare better than the French or the Scandinavians. So I think, at least as far as Britain is concerned, we don't enjoy any privileged position.
That said, I do not agree with Gea. I do not know what looks she got from "meds" but I haven't noticed any strong preference for blonde women (that is out of the ordinary ofc) among Greeks.
I also dunno why preferring blonde women is even considered nordicist but anyways...
So many Nordicists among you Meds,can't forget the looks I've gotten as a pale blonde :D
are you bragging about it, or did it bother you? What you might have stumbled upon is the typical mediteranean macho attitude, always shamelesly looking for something..., but that's not reserved just for blondes. :)
In general Southern Italian, Greek, Bulgarian or Albanian women for that matter are not beautiful. The few that are beautiful are have no match or competitors. No ather country (maybe France) can come close. The countries where women are generaly beautiful are Chek women, Poles, Swedish, Danes.
I would not agree with you. You have to come to Prishtina in the center just for one hour, it is like being in the beauty contest. As for Macedonian women, I agree, they aren't pretty. Here are a Kosovar ones:
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbgSDLNOYLqJMa3-zHiNb5f1p5uuwv6sORvyG4RNK396zy_zaC
http://www.yllpress.com/fotografite/artikujt/njomza_rozhaja.jpg
Here are two from Albania:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LA7zryZfK4s/ScTEhoAxTqI/AAAAAAAAD-w/4dU_LbcriU4/s1600/rezarta-shkurta-019-me-orindahuta-panorama-500.jpg
Let's give some mood to this thread.
Monica Bellucci (from Umbria, central Italy, Italic area)
http://ocdn.eu/images/pulscms/N2E7MDMsMCwyNTgsMSwx/341dcec0bce55d76f9be4af9214781c1.png
http://air.news.gr/cov/Mo/Monica-Bellucci-Brown-Eyes-1-1920x1200_b2.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7J9Zu7Eb1J0/TtmmXVbuBMI/AAAAAAAABsE/urJ_V0GagI0/crawgirl.com-99571-monica-bellucci-09-122-544lo.jpg
Manuela Arcuri (parents from Calabria, former Magna Graecia)
http://cdn1.stbm.it/pianetadonna/gallery/foto_gallery/gossip/mostra-del-cinema-di-venezia-31-agosto-10-settembre-2011-personaggi-famosi-al-lido/l-arrivo-della-splendida-manuela-arcuri.jpeg?-3600
http://files.gossip.it/mondanita/presentazione_nuovo_spot_della_norma/images/la_bellissima_manuela_arcuri_d2be.jpg
http://media.gossipblog.it/m/man/manuela-arcuri-sexy-per-solo-soprani/0ManuelaArcuri17_Chi3809.jpg
oreo_cookie
05-10-13, 04:09
This woman has a classic "Greco-Roman" look.. Elisabetta Gregoraci
http://www.football.co.uk/gallery/images/elisabetta_gregoraci/elisabetta_gregoraci_13.jpg
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