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I haven't been on this forum for a very long period, but I see that some ideas are unchangeable.
This is excerpt from eupedia's explanation of migrations of I2a haplogroup:
"The modern territory of I2a1a and I2a1b (Illyria, Italy, Sardinia, Mediterranean coast of France and Spain) matches the extent of the Neolithic Printed-Cardium Pottery culture (5000-1500 BCE), that is believed to have started with the arrival of E-V13 and G2a farmers and herders from Thessaly (northern Greece). It was followed by the Terramare culture (1500-1000 BCE) in the Bronze Age. The R1b Celto-Italic people are thought to have crossed the Alps and invaded the Italian peninsula around 1,000 BCE, replacing most of the indigenous I2a1, G2a and E-V13 people (especially in the northern half)."
There is no single evidence that haplogroup I2a were in Italy at all in Neolithic times. On the contrary, subclade analysis shows clearly that there is no single I2a subclade which originated in Italy.
Printed Cardium Pottery culture excavations in Catalonia, Spain and analysis of genetic material found there shows only haplogroup E-V13 with clear links with nowadays E-V13 populations os Italy and Balkan. So if we try to find genetic imprint of Printed Cardium Pottery culture it was probably E-V13 and not I2a.
All genetic studies on Italy till now shows that haplogroup I2a is among the rarest on peninsula, both the I2a M423 and M26. There is less of 0,5% of M423 in Italy and less than 1% of M26 on whole Italy except Sardinia where M26 is 40%.
As many geneticists find M423 Dinaric part high concentration in western Balkan is due to recent migrations of Slavs in 7th century, and as Nordvedt find M26 in Sardinia is the youngest clade among M26, younger than those M26 in Spain and especially of those M26 in France. So the Sardinian M26 was almost sure due to more or less recent migration from Iberian peninsula and Baleares. It correspon with its absence in continental Italy, Sicila and Corsica.
Considering all these facts, we can conclude that I2a never lived in Italy not in Paleolithic, not in Neolithic not in Bronze age not in Roman times, simply never. And that Printed Cardium Pottery Culture has nothing in common with I2a haplogroup.
This is excerpt from eupedia's explanation of migrations of I2a haplogroup:
"The modern territory of I2a1a and I2a1b (Illyria, Italy, Sardinia, Mediterranean coast of France and Spain) matches the extent of the Neolithic Printed-Cardium Pottery culture (5000-1500 BCE), that is believed to have started with the arrival of E-V13 and G2a farmers and herders from Thessaly (northern Greece). It was followed by the Terramare culture (1500-1000 BCE) in the Bronze Age. The R1b Celto-Italic people are thought to have crossed the Alps and invaded the Italian peninsula around 1,000 BCE, replacing most of the indigenous I2a1, G2a and E-V13 people (especially in the northern half)."
There is no single evidence that haplogroup I2a were in Italy at all in Neolithic times. On the contrary, subclade analysis shows clearly that there is no single I2a subclade which originated in Italy.
Printed Cardium Pottery culture excavations in Catalonia, Spain and analysis of genetic material found there shows only haplogroup E-V13 with clear links with nowadays E-V13 populations os Italy and Balkan. So if we try to find genetic imprint of Printed Cardium Pottery culture it was probably E-V13 and not I2a.
All genetic studies on Italy till now shows that haplogroup I2a is among the rarest on peninsula, both the I2a M423 and M26. There is less of 0,5% of M423 in Italy and less than 1% of M26 on whole Italy except Sardinia where M26 is 40%.
As many geneticists find M423 Dinaric part high concentration in western Balkan is due to recent migrations of Slavs in 7th century, and as Nordvedt find M26 in Sardinia is the youngest clade among M26, younger than those M26 in Spain and especially of those M26 in France. So the Sardinian M26 was almost sure due to more or less recent migration from Iberian peninsula and Baleares. It correspon with its absence in continental Italy, Sicila and Corsica.
Considering all these facts, we can conclude that I2a never lived in Italy not in Paleolithic, not in Neolithic not in Bronze age not in Roman times, simply never. And that Printed Cardium Pottery Culture has nothing in common with I2a haplogroup.