View Full Version : Early Indo Iranien remains Y DNA, mtDNA, hair color and eye color

Fire Haired
24-06-13, 14:35
mtDNA 78 samples

U=25 32.05%(U5=12 15.4%,(U5a=11 14%(U5a1=7 9%), U2=4 5.1%(U2e=3 3.8%(U2e1=1 1.3%), U4=3 3.85% U7=1 1.3%, U1=1 1.3%)

H=16 20.5%(H6=1 1.3%, H5=1 1.2%, H2a1=1 1.2%)

T=15 19.2%(T1=8 10.3%(T1a=2 2.6%), T3=3 3.8%, T2=2 2.6%(T2a1b1=1 1.2%)

HV=6 7.7%(HV2=2 2.6%,HV6=1 1.3%)

K=5 6.4%(K2b=1 1.3%)

I=4 5.1%(I3=2 2.6%, I4=1 1.6%J=3 3.8%(

J1=2 2.6%

H or U=3 3.8%U5 or J=1 1.3%

Y DNA samples 17

R1a1a=16, C=1

Hair color samples=10 i did not count Tarium mummies because they have east asian mtDNA they where a mix of European and east Asian and had black hair no Europeans have black hair only dark Brown most west Eurasians don't have black hair there is no way the black hair came from Indo Iranians the only sample to have dark brown hair also had east Asian Y DNA C so i did not count him either he was not consistent with other Indo Iranian remains i know that there are 3,400 and 3,000ybp tarium mummies with red hair but i did not count them because there are many more Tarium mummies where they know the hair color but the ones with red hair make the news so i don't think it is accurate if i only count the redhead ones but i need to say red hair did exist in Indo Iranians

Indo Iranian hair color 10 samples

light brown/blonde=6 60%, Brown=4 40%

Eye color samples=20

blue/green eyes=15 75%, Brown eyes=5 25%

Indo Iranians originally came from the Steppe Yamna Culture

they migrated out of the Steppes about 4,000-5,000ybp to the area of the Caspien sea, south Siberia, and west China as the Afanasevo, Adronovo, and Sintashta cultures

By about 4,000ybp they began to migrate south from Siberia and Kazakhstan too the area of iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India they qickley mixed with the cultures and the people and became mainly south west Asian by blood but they still kept their identity and mainly Y DNA R1a1a1b2 they conquered just about all of that area by 3,500ybp and wrote the 3,500 year old Vedic scripts

They started the Indus valley civlization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization
they started Hinduism and the basics of Indian culture

their hair color percentage was 60% blonde and their eye color percentage was 75% blue or green they nearly perfectly match Scandinavians and Baltic people in austomnal DNA their closest modern relatives are north east Europeans like people around the Baltic sea and parts of Russia the Indo Iranians blood probably originally came from northern Russia

the mtDNA of Indo Iranians was not like most modern Europeans because they only had 20.5% H and 34.5% U but it was only 78 samples mtDNA T1 consistintley popped up in their remains it was unusually high at 10.3% the Udmurt people in volga Russia today have one of the highest amounts of mtDNA T1 in the world they have 14% and also have about 35% mtDNA U The Indo Iranians also had many specifically European mtDNA haplogroups like U5 and H6

The Indo Iranians that migrated towards Iran and India mixed very quickly and mixed with the cultures there but Indo Iranians like Sytheins and Cimmerians kept the original Indo Iranian culture and did not inter marry as much these Indo Iranians dominated central Asia from 3,000-2,000ybp but it seems that these groups where conquered by migrating tribes from the east like Turks and Mongols and today they are pretty much extinct.

in South Siberia they R1a1a is still the most popular Y DNA haplogroup at over 40% the Indo Iranian subclade of R1a1a is R1a1a1b2

there are still some people in Indo Iranian speaking areas who have kept mainly Indo Iranian blood

here are some examples Kalash people in Pakistan partially descended from Vedic Indo Iranians who migrated to Pakistan about 3,500-4,000ybp


Kurdish partially descended from Indo Iranian Cimmerians who migrated to Iraq,Turkey, and Syria about 2,700ybp

Kurdish with alot of Indo Iranian blood
Pashuten partially descended from Vedic Indo Iranians who migrated around Iran and India about 3,500-4,000ybp


Uyghurs this group conquered the Indo Iranian Tocherians about 1,300ybp but in the area the Tocherian lived u still see many European looking people who have been living in that area for at least 4,000 years and Indo European Y DNA R1b m73 and R1a1a1b2 is very popular but not the forms found in Europe which are R1b L11 and R1a1a1b1

the Ancient Greeks and Romans alot of times described the Sythains as redheads Herodotus wrote about an enormous city, Gelonus, in the northern part of Scythia[49]
The Budini are a large and powerful nation: they have all deep blue eyes, and bright red hair.

and according to ancient Chinese the Indo Iranian Tocherians who where redheads here is an example of a redhead Tocherian painting from around 600ad

It is hard to say where the Indo Iranians originally came form their culture is traced back to the steppes but since their had 60% light hair and 75% light eyes of blonde hair and that all ancient records that describe their physical appearance always said light haired and eyes

60% light hair light hair 70% light eyes are only found in Scandinavia, Baltic sea, and north west Russia i wonder if that means the Indo Iranians aka Aryans where not really natives to the southern steppes which is where the Indo European language with Dniper Dontes, Yamna, and Maykop cultures maybe they where originally hunter gathers that lived in the northern Steppes and then immigrated down south

but many Indo Iranians like Cimmerians and Sarmatians lived in the south Steppe their remains also had light hair and eyes and ancient Romans and Greeks said they light haired and eyed and even the Thracens who where not Indo Iranian they lived in modern day Bulgaria the Greeks said they where red haired and blue eyed and had snow white skin not like other southern Europeans or modern Bulgarians

A 2,900 year old fragment by the Greek poet Xenophanes describes the Thracian's as blue-eyed and red haired:
...Men make gods in their own image; those of the Ethiopians are black and snub-nosed, those of the Thracian's have blue eyes and red hair.[39]

over 2,000 year old painting on Thracian tombstone it also had the inscription Rufus which meant redhead most Thracian graves did not have paintings but many had the inscription Rufus which could mean they had red hair

so since there is so much evidence there was a north European type of people that lived in Bulgaria over 3,000ybp and that the remains of Indo Iranians in the south Steppe have light hair and eyes this could mean that originally people around the Black sea and the south Steppes which is the Indo European homeland looked northern European and had mainly light hair and eyes and that over time they inter married or where conquered that is defiantly what happened to Thracens and is almost defiantly what happened to the light haired Indo Iranian tribes in central Asia. because their cultures and languages are dead except there are some ethnic groups in the Caucus mountains who still speak a Sythein language but u don't see white people in central Asia any more only some ethnic groups still have alot of original Indo Iranian blood

24-06-13, 18:18
i did not count Tarium mummies because they have east asian mtDNA they where a mix of European and east Asian and had black hair

some of them had, others not. Even under the Xiaohe findings was at least one mummy having flaxen hair.

Guess you - as well as most of the western public - became a victim of Chinese racist propaganda, resulting in a overrating of the Xiaohe findings. In real Xiaohe was an isolated, and short living culture, which suddenly disappeared, and left no traces in other early Xinjiang cultures. The Xiaohe weren't the Tokharian!

The peoples of Tokharian cultures weren't one people, but originating from different movements of different tribes. Some shown some East Asian admixture, some more, some less, and some not. However this was typical for almost all of the backwater cultures of the east. We also find some East Asian admixture under the tribes of east and to an lesser degree central and south Kazakhstan, not to mention the Afanasevo tribes of the Altai and western Mongolia.

East Asian features can be found under the Andronovo-Fedorovo and Andronovo-Alakul findings. They increased in the Iron Age. The tribes of the Pazyryk culture shown a remarkable East Asian component as well the archaic Scythoids of the Tuva, and to an lesser degree the Tagars of Khakassia did.

Some say, that some skulls belonging to the early Yamna culture and even to the very ancient Khvalynsk culture of Europe shown some East Asian features, as well as some skulls of the Corded Ware culture of the Baltic region did, according to Gimbutas.

Therefore you made a mistake not counting findings showing East Asian features.