R1b-DF27 project - DF27 is one of the Big 3 subclades of P312(S116)

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We now have a project just for DF27+ and/or downstream confirmed subclades. It is already over 500 members even though it is only a couple of weeks old.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-DF27/

Anyone who is DF27+ or positive for one of the downstream subclades is welcome, but this does not mean you need to leave any other projects to join the R1b-DF27 project. I emphatically recommend joining your terminal or youngest level haplogroup project if one is available, but please also join DF27 as well, if you fit.

The following chart shows the SNPs downstream of DF27. There are already over 50 known SNPs downstream of DF27.
http://tinyurl.com/R1b-DF27-Tree

DF27 is a large subclade. It is one of the Big 3 subclades of P312(S116), the other two being U152(S28) and L21(S145). Some of the components of DF27 have been known for some time, for instance SRY2627/M167, L165 and M153, the so called "Basque marker." A very large cluster within DF27 is marked by Z220+. Z220 seems to overlay with the R1b North-South cluster of DYS437=14 DYS448=18 GataH4=10 folks. M153 fits under Z220 and the North-South cluster.

If you are P312+ and you don't know either your L21, U152 or DF27 status, you need to investigate all three. You are very likely one of the three. Essentially, R1b-P312 is the haplogroup that drives the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH). The reality is that R1b-P312 has superseded it.

DF27 is greatly cutting into the old R1b-P312* (U152- L21-) group. When you add SRY2627 and L165 to other DF27+ folks you get a very large subclade scattered across Europe. We don't know what its distribution is but if we use the current run rates for P312xU152xL21 that end up being DF27+, we get something like this that Richard Rocca has drawn for us. It looks like DF27 hit Iberia and the south of France quite hard.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-DF27_Frequency_Map_using_proxy.jpg
 
Hi Mike great thread,
had my dna tested by scotlands DNA apparently im p312(s116)+z195(s355)+z196(s227)+z274(s229), no down stream snp markers from z274, as im from south east England and so is my fathers father and so on and we have a norman origin surname whether this marker came over during the norman invasion 1066 or whether we have been here longer in England as there is no further snp marker to point to a more recent arrivial but the root seems to be Iberian in origin, as im new to Dna,would value any advice given.
Kind regards Mairtin
 
Hi Mike great thread,
had my dna tested by scotlands DNA apparently im p312(s116)+z195(s355)+z196(s227)+z274(s229), no down stream snp markers from z274, as im from south east England and so is my fathers father and so on and we have a norman origin surname whether this marker came over during the norman invasion 1066 or whether we have been here longer in England as there is no further snp marker to point to a more recent arrivial but the root seems to be Iberian in origin, as im new to Dna,would value any advice given.
Kind regards Mairtin

What is your kit # and I'll see who you compare with best?
 
What is your kit # and I'll see who you compare with best?

If he's tested with Scotland's DNA he won't have any STR values, so it will be hard to match him with other Z274+. That's unless he's also tested with FTDNA.

-Paul
(DF41+)
 

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