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21-08-13, 23:01
Does anybody have any info on cts6364?

22-08-13, 07:56
Does anybody have any info on cts6364?

[[CTS6364+ is the gateway to both L22+ and a portion of L22- which includes
a couple more easterly Europe clades as well as an eastern Scandinavian
(Finn/Swede) clade. And the generic CTS6364+ L22- includes a robust cluster
from the ancient Old Prussia territory. The early clades of L22+ which are
Z74- show a transitional geographic territory which is not decisively
Scandinavian. And then throwing in the demographically robust Z63+
population with its eastern tendencies relative to Z58+ I1, and then
checking out the temporal order of the nodes to all these divisions of I1,
it leads me to think the earliest I1 populations which started to flourish
only about 4500 years ago were more easterly than Holstein area. More like
Pomerania or Prussia. But I don't think we can bet the ranch on any of
these scenarios yet.

Scandinavia probably was populated by multiple migrations, bringing
different types of I1 as well as other haplogroups at different times into
Scandinavia. And Jutland being one of the links, its diversity if unusually
large which I don't really know is the case, could very well be explained by
its location as compared to deep Scandinavia which is more like a
geographical cul de sac. Denmark actually is quite sparse in representing
the deep Scandinavian clades; I think there was negligible " back migration"
from Sweden or Norway.

The deep-in-Scandinavia clades and subhaplogroups of I1 L22+ are later
(Z74+) branch lines of the tree, and are the best bets for founders having
lived solidly up in Scandinavia. These populations also show younger

Only in old familiar Europe with all its boundaries and present day
"countries" or cantons of the EU would we be "debating" Jutland versus
Holstein versus Pomerania as a place of origin 4500 years ago. How few
hours could one drive from one end to the other of this small region? KN]]

"Tree for I1xL22xZ58"
"Tree for I1 Z58+ Z60-"
"Tree for I1 Z60+"
"Tree for I1 L22+"
"Tree for M223 x Z161"
"Tree for M223+ Z161+"
"Tree and Map for haplogroup I"
"The I1 modalities"
"The M223+ Modalities"

at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net

These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained.

07-06-19, 05:43
Researching Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton.

The hyper link from username #Sile / http knordtvedt home bresnan net / is down.
Researching Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton is I-DF29.
=Where is this genetic information from the above website 2013, archived and mirrored?

How do we form an "irrevocable trust" between customers and DNA history companies to prevent deletions?
Anyone else serious annoyed that Ancestry.com provides a delete your 40 years of spent money, via two clicks button?

Any information about Hamilton, Jefferson, Franklin tree; or J1 HaploTree appreciated,
thank you.

~ J1_M253

08-06-19, 23:17
I think you can find Alexander Hamilton's Y-DNA info on the Clan Hamilton DNA project website, or from Ken Nordtvedt himself (his maternal family is descended from Alexander Hamilton).
I'm a little confused with what you mean by J1 in this case. I recall Jefferson was Haplogroup T and Hamilton is I-DF29 (I1a, I1 is I-M253), although I recall a large amount of Hamilton's belong to I-L338 or I-Z63 subclades of I1.