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I pay attention in linguistics to the evolution of phonetic aspect - written languages newly learned with modern males for the methods can undergo very few phonetic evolution, but in ancient time, when populations changes languages the substrata population could change the learned language quickly enough and in big proportions - dialects evolution too is more instructive very often than the standard written language of an elite -
I saw the southwestern dialects of English (for I know: in Devon, Gloucester and Dorset) know a 'sonorisation' (softer) of some consonnants like F >> V -- S >> Z -- sometimes TH >> DH and I 'll check it, SH >> ZH
Breton language knows the same evolution (except TH >> DH) in its Tregor, E-Cornouaille (Kernew) and Vannetais (gwened) dialects - english in Cornwall, learned later than in other S-W England parts, lacks this voicing evolution of consonnants BUT as in breton, celtic cornish know this evolution - by the way it confirms what I wrote above -
we know breton is closer to cornish than to welsh, there is no discussion about it - someones made the hypothesis the brittonic emigrants in brittany came not from Wales but from the central parts of Britannia and even from the eastern parts, pushed by the Anglo-Saxons: it could really make sense - the ones who could not take refuge in mountainous Wales or Cumbria were pushed in Dumnonia ?
a lot of saints came from Wales, but it is not the majority of population - some scholars even think that a lot of the Britton refugees were came from Northern Britannia (S. Scotland) - I don't think they were a majority -
now when we look at the same phonetical phenomenon in germanic speaking lands of today, is seems the center of propagation of this 'sonorisation' or 'voicing' evolution was around the Rhinelands, North or South: the more purest germanic regions (Scandinavia, Frisia) ignores this phenomenon - the extension of it in other german dialects could be the result of written german learned lately (we know the first written (chancelleries) 'koines' of german were based upon southern or central-southern german dialects - I believe (I'llpost after about it) some northern german dialects did not undergo this evolution, so? Belgae influence???
just for the fun
I pay attention in linguistics to the evolution of phonetic aspect - written languages newly learned with modern males for the methods can undergo very few phonetic evolution, but in ancient time, when populations changes languages the substrata population could change the learned language quickly enough and in big proportions - dialects evolution too is more instructive very often than the standard written language of an elite -
I saw the southwestern dialects of English (for I know: in Devon, Gloucester and Dorset) know a 'sonorisation' (softer) of some consonnants like F >> V -- S >> Z -- sometimes TH >> DH and I 'll check it, SH >> ZH
Breton language knows the same evolution (except TH >> DH) in its Tregor, E-Cornouaille (Kernew) and Vannetais (gwened) dialects - english in Cornwall, learned later than in other S-W England parts, lacks this voicing evolution of consonnants BUT as in breton, celtic cornish know this evolution - by the way it confirms what I wrote above -
we know breton is closer to cornish than to welsh, there is no discussion about it - someones made the hypothesis the brittonic emigrants in brittany came not from Wales but from the central parts of Britannia and even from the eastern parts, pushed by the Anglo-Saxons: it could really make sense - the ones who could not take refuge in mountainous Wales or Cumbria were pushed in Dumnonia ?
a lot of saints came from Wales, but it is not the majority of population - some scholars even think that a lot of the Britton refugees were came from Northern Britannia (S. Scotland) - I don't think they were a majority -
now when we look at the same phonetical phenomenon in germanic speaking lands of today, is seems the center of propagation of this 'sonorisation' or 'voicing' evolution was around the Rhinelands, North or South: the more purest germanic regions (Scandinavia, Frisia) ignores this phenomenon - the extension of it in other german dialects could be the result of written german learned lately (we know the first written (chancelleries) 'koines' of german were based upon southern or central-southern german dialects - I believe (I'llpost after about it) some northern german dialects did not undergo this evolution, so? Belgae influence???
just for the fun