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adamo
31-08-13, 21:02
The first Trojans/tyrsenians to cross the Aegean from turkey to Italy had names such as Amycus, Lycus, Orontes, Gyas or Cloanthus. In fact, Orontes was of Lycian origin. Orontes was also a hellenized form of an Etruscan name. The Orontes is also a river that crosses Lebanon, Syria and turkey. Ultimately though, Orontes is traced back to the Orontid Dynasty of the Armenians, many of this dynasty's kings where called Orontes.


The Orontid Dynasty (also known by their native name, Yervanduni (Armenian: Երվանդունիներ, Persian: اروندی‎) was a hereditary Armenian dynasty and the rulers of the successor state to the Iron Age kingdom of Urartu.[1][2][3] The Orontids established their supremacy over Armenia around the time of the Scythian and Median invasion in the sixth century BC.
Of probable Iranian origin,[4] members of the dynasty ruled Armenia intermittently during the period spanning the sixth century to at least the second century BC, first as client kings or satraps of the Median and Achaemenid empires who established an independent kingdom after the collapse of the Achaemenid empire, and later as kings of Sophene and Commagene who eventually succumbed to the Roman Empire.


This is where the Etruscans trace their most basal origins/beginnings at.

adamo
31-08-13, 21:04
Another very interesting comment on other rivers named Orontes all over where iranics settled.

The name Orontes is the Hellenized form of the Iranian name, Haeravanta, meaning "that of grandeur." There are a great number of rivers and mountains carrying a variety of this name all over where the ancient and modern Iranian peoples have settled, from the Pamirs to Anatolia and the Levant. Rivers like the Arvand and the Alvand (Iraq), mountains like Alvand (Iran), and the Iranian Armenian dynasty, the Orontids (a dynasty that traces its founding originator to Bactria/Balkh in the Iranian northern Afghanistan). In its Arabized form, Halwan/Hilwan, the name is carried by towns and villages from Egypt to Iran. These all carry this ancient Iranian compound name in its various form, standing for grandeur and greatness.
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adamo
31-08-13, 21:06
This also coincides well with the spread of haplogroup T, the Iranians and their spread of Orontes, we now know that the Orontids of Armenia, trace their descent from Bactria/Balkh near Iran/northern Afghanistan.

adamo
31-08-13, 21:15
From the pamirs all the way to Anatolia...and into the levant.....ironically, this is probably exactly how haplogroup T spread. From Iranian tribes into Armenians, Phoenicians, then into Arabians and infiltrating into parts of the horn of Africans/or Egypt.

adamo
31-08-13, 21:19
So watching the spread of hg T is like watching Bakhtiaris iranians and certain Pamiri afghans turn into the Iranian-Armenian dynasty near the Caucasus (Urartu) and then moving towards Phoenicia and the levant and onto the Arabian plateau and into Africa from that point.

adamo
31-08-13, 21:37
The alvand mountains for example are in western Iran not too far from the Iraqi border. Same for Arvand river it separates southern Iran/Iraq near the Tigris valley. The Bakhtiaris would have lived nearby; I wonder if there's a link between the Tigris region of Iraq and Tigranakert.

adamo
31-08-13, 21:55
I believe that all haplogroup T people's, including the Turans (Turanians) of Turkestan (near Mongolia/china) descend from Avestan era iranian types. The people's who spoke Avestani where Iranians and people's such as Arachosians (centered in southern Afghanistan.) Sistanis (extreme eastern Iran Sistanis/Baluchistan provinces.) Southern Afghanistan (Nimruz,Kandahar,Zabul) and a small portion of Pakistan. This is where Avestani people's and languages would have been.

adamo
31-08-13, 22:44
Orontes (also: Orontas, Orondes, Aroandes) is Hellenized form of an Iranian masculine name: Avestan: auruuant sometimes shortened to auruuat, Persian arvand, meaning "Of greatness, mighty".
Orontid dynasty, Armenian dynasty which ruled over southeastern Anatolia.


Ironically, Orontes was also the name of a man that accompanied Aeneas from Troy to Latium, although Orontes and his fellow Lycians in his ship sunk off the coast of Carthage. So if the Etruscans or the Lycians (not too far from Lydians) of Aeneas's time had the title "Orontes", which is also the name of a Turkish-Lebanese-Syrian river and an Irano-Armenian Orontid dynasty with Orontes kings, Also "Arvand" the Persian version of Orontes is found from the Pamir to Anatolia and mountains/rivers of this name are found on the Iran/Iraq border and before that the name Orontes is linked to the Avestani language of primitive eastern Iran near the Pamir knot.

adamo
31-08-13, 23:01
The Persian version of the name is Auruand which meant "Great Warrior" in the Avestan language. It is likely this was a special title given by the Persian king to a chosen Armenian man, though this seems to have become a hereditary title in that family. These royal Orontids named "Orontes" would have ruled at Armavir in modern Armenia, not too far from the eastern Anatolian border. Could these men, who trace their roots to ancient languages such as Avestani and ideologies such as Zoroastrianism across Iran and maybe even further east, peoples somewhat like the Medes, could they be the ancestors of classical Anatolian types (maybe starting with ancient Hurrians or Hittites speaking Luwian dialects, and then eventually evolving into Mysians,Lydians,Lycians,Carians that where somehow related to Trojans and other west anatolians.) Due to famine they would have left from the port of Smyrna by boat and set sail, same as Aeneas did upon Troy's defeat by the Greek tribes, and they would have arrived somewhere in north-central Italy, probably by the western flank known as the "Tyrrhenian sea".

adamo
31-08-13, 23:07
Well certainly not all of them have this particular origin, but maybe 10-20% of them had an Iranian origin.

adamo
01-09-13, 14:15
Arvand, the Persian/Avestani (old Persian) form of Orontes, is also a city in Kerman province Iran. Also "Arbat" (Arvand) is also found in Zanjan province Iran. Orontes is named after a river in the levant, an Armenian dynasty, mountains/cities in western Iran near the Iraqi-Iran frontier (Alvand/Arvand) and Arvand (Rawadids,Rawands) is also the name of a Kurdish dynasty that ruled in Azerbaijan; another iranic nation. Rawanduz, anciently spelled Orontes was also the name of a northern Iraqi city in the Arbil region. As for Alvand mountain, it is near the Iranian city of Hamedan. The Arvand river, also known as shatt al Arab is very close to the Tigris river of southern Mesopotamia, this river separates Iran/Iraq in the extreme south. Also, Arvand is the name of a city in Razavi Khorasan province, extreme eastern Iran. The ancient empire called "grater khorasan" near Bactria consisted of sites across eastern Iran, Afghanistan and parts of Turkmenistan/Uzbekistan.