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- K1a (+195C)
So, I'm one of the many participants in Bill Hurst's K project page at FTDNA. I'm designated K1a+195C, having taken the FTDNA "mtDNAPlus" test (ie, HVR1 and HVR2, but not the full coding sequence). Here's a question I can't find an answer to in any of his literature:
Are some of us K1a+195C participants designated as such because we can't be assigned to a deeper subclade, even with a full coding sequence test? Obviously there are mutations in the coding region that are used as markers for deeper subclade assignment, and I haven't taken that test. So no mystery there, that I'm not assigned any deeper.
But here's the thing: Some of my closest matches as given on FTDNA have taken their full sequence test, and are still assigned only as K1a+195C. So I'm wondering if some of us are just "stuck" there until some other mutations are identified and the phylo tree expanded.
Bill Hurst has described the K1a+195C folks as being either "pre-K1a10" or "pre-K1a9". Supposedly in the former case, these folks have the 16048A mutation that defines K1a10, but also 195C and occasionally the 523/524 CACA insertions. Likewise, with the former group ("pre-K1a9"), they have the K1a9-defining 16524G.
I do have the 523/524 insertions, but have neither 16048A nor 16524G, so I'm sorta left out in the cold here: neither pre-K1a10 nor pre-K1a9. And this shouldn't be a question of simply needing a deeper (full-sequence) test, because those 16K mutations are on the HVR regions.
I've taken a Geno 2.0 test, which should assign me to a terminal mtDNA subclade; still waiting on the results. But in the meantime I thought I'd pose the question.
Thanks!
Are some of us K1a+195C participants designated as such because we can't be assigned to a deeper subclade, even with a full coding sequence test? Obviously there are mutations in the coding region that are used as markers for deeper subclade assignment, and I haven't taken that test. So no mystery there, that I'm not assigned any deeper.
But here's the thing: Some of my closest matches as given on FTDNA have taken their full sequence test, and are still assigned only as K1a+195C. So I'm wondering if some of us are just "stuck" there until some other mutations are identified and the phylo tree expanded.
Bill Hurst has described the K1a+195C folks as being either "pre-K1a10" or "pre-K1a9". Supposedly in the former case, these folks have the 16048A mutation that defines K1a10, but also 195C and occasionally the 523/524 CACA insertions. Likewise, with the former group ("pre-K1a9"), they have the K1a9-defining 16524G.
I do have the 523/524 insertions, but have neither 16048A nor 16524G, so I'm sorta left out in the cold here: neither pre-K1a10 nor pre-K1a9. And this shouldn't be a question of simply needing a deeper (full-sequence) test, because those 16K mutations are on the HVR regions.
I've taken a Geno 2.0 test, which should assign me to a terminal mtDNA subclade; still waiting on the results. But in the meantime I thought I'd pose the question.
Thanks!