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Veritator
25-11-13, 02:45
Post racial images of Albanians. Post pictures of people with appearances (phenotypes) that you believe are most representative of the Albanian people.

Post crowd photos of people in order to minimize cherry picking or bias. Post pictures of what you deem to be the average, common, or typical appearance of Albanians.

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:12
http://i41.tinypic.com/1z162qp.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:14
http://i43.tinypic.com/2s1lmpe.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:23
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ilh2li.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:31
http://i43.tinypic.com/345eant.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:32
http://i40.tinypic.com/10pq5jo.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:33
http://i41.tinypic.com/awayzd.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:34
http://i43.tinypic.com/2h67zh1.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:35
http://i42.tinypic.com/hx2n1v.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:36
http://i44.tinypic.com/10qxij7.png

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:37
http://i42.tinypic.com/2dt89k8.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:38
http://i43.tinypic.com/i56mj9.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2s861pe.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:39
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ef0oex.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:41
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ug0v7s.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/mx0s3n.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:42
http://i42.tinypic.com/t06f01.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2e6dk5t.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:44
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ql7kg5.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:45
http://i44.tinypic.com/mav0xs.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:46
http://i43.tinypic.com/10r6zyd.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:48
http://i42.tinypic.com/qnkxnc.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/r0tfs0.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:51
http://i40.tinypic.com/23wwm5k.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/xqdxkh.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:53
http://i44.tinypic.com/rbkt93.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:54
http://i41.tinypic.com/20af8eu.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:55
http://i40.tinypic.com/15zjezb.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:56
http://i44.tinypic.com/296fc7a.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:57
http://i39.tinypic.com/34fktau.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2d7vuc3.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 08:58
http://i40.tinypic.com/27yskfc.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:00
http://i40.tinypic.com/2cpepns.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:07
http://i39.tinypic.com/2zgsu80.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:08
http://i42.tinypic.com/262nynd.png

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:09
http://i42.tinypic.com/2cr34hh.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:10
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Veritator
01-12-13, 09:11
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Veritator
01-12-13, 09:12
http://i44.tinypic.com/osy3cz.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:13
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Veritator
01-12-13, 09:13
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Veritator
01-12-13, 09:14
http://i44.tinypic.com/2wmnl1g.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:16
http://i39.tinypic.com/x5tx1j.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:17
http://i39.tinypic.com/25aoyrt.jpg

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:18
http://i40.tinypic.com/rlvpc9.png

Veritator
01-12-13, 09:18
http://i41.tinypic.com/15hj5l5.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2h2ihyx.jpg

MOESAN
06-12-13, 18:10
as a whole Albanians are 'balkanic' like (a very imprecise term, but which corresponds to the local mixture) - some of them, nevertheless, have very 'alpinelike' looks compared to other Balkans people (but it occurs also in other ethnies, at lower level) - Seemingly, Tosks would be more 'alpinelike' when Ghegs would seem at the same time more 'nordic' and more 'dinaric', without speaking of the other lightest components (phenotypically speaking here) - as a whole less pigmented than the Anatolia and even the Caucasus people -

Garrick
07-12-13, 21:09
Albanians are very specific, from racial images to costumes and habits.

Three Albanian men:

http://www.thelovelyplanet.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Albanian-Man-Traditional-Dress-Vindenis.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_c7psyk3GGE/UZ-Lc1c8yTI/AAAAAAAABfw/vqgRll9QDac/s1600/al.jpg

http://www.beyond-the-pale.co.uk/womandonkey.jpg

FBS
11-12-13, 20:37
Albanians from Kosovo
http://www.balkanforum.info/f26/prishtina-street-style-222138/

FBS
11-12-13, 20:45
Post #35 does not look Albanian to me... Not sure.

Garrick
11-12-13, 23:31
Some famous Albanians:

http://www.albeu.com/dokumenta/foto/Sabri+Fejzullahu+Kafe+Muhabet+Albumi+2010.jpg


http://gdb.voanews.com/2338F685-600B-49E1-BEEA-538C14176498_w268_r1.png

http://www.bh-index.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fadil-vokri.jpg

FBS
12-12-13, 11:48
Some non-famous albanians


http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Rina_Ymeri2.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Jeta-Ramadani.jpg

http://data2.whicdn.com/images/57012754/Zgjim_Elshani_large.jpg

FBS
12-12-13, 11:56
some more every day Albanians (from streets of Prishtina, Kosovo)

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Norik_Imami1.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Qendrim_Morina.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/021.jpg

FBS
12-12-13, 11:59
some more

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Bardhi-Rama1.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Muamer_Hasani2.jpg

FBS
12-12-13, 12:07
everyday girls

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Flaka-Ismaili.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Elena-Macula2.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Yllka_Leci2.jpg

http://prishtinastreetstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/Feime_Salihu.jpg

Garrick
12-12-13, 13:28
Albanians, different Balkan regions:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hBoLiOAWqUk/SmHOy4ZdxUI/AAAAAAAAAcc/6BmewbPeQ7A/s320/shefki.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7RV4FS1xDa-EK9c7VR6GlWSs8xOw5PFmdSGUTH33l2b16FLn4Yw

http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/100605/60588.p.jpg

FBS
12-12-13, 15:11
Ordinary Kosovar Albanian look (photo below) of my favorite (satirical) party "Strong Party" with their "Legendary president" :laughing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_e_Fort%C3%AB - typical young Kosovars against the establishment

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/600626_541276742623989_1414593591_n.jpg

Garrick
12-12-13, 15:57
Albanians, sport, music, elite

http://www.tv2fyn.dk/modules/xphoto/cache/27/33227_590_0_0_0_640_359.jpg

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/40988457/2+Shkupi+Flow+2140.jpg

http://www.balkaneu.eu/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/arben-cejku.jpg

Sile
12-12-13, 19:27
Ordinary Kosovar Albanian look (photo below) of my favorite (satirical) party "Strong Party" with their "Legendary president" :laughing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partia_e_Fort%C3%AB - typical young Kosovars against the establishment

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/600626_541276742623989_1414593591_n.jpg

The men look typical Epirote/northern Greek and the Girl looks Hungarian or slovak

MOESAN
12-12-13, 19:56
The men look typical Epirote/northern Greek and the Girl looks Hungarian or slovak

I agree for a part but son't look at the moustaches or beards: the one on the right side seems to me very more on the 'brutal borreby' side ('brünn-capellid' phylum) as do some people of Crna Gora - Montenegro - not very common among Greeks, even Epirots - a slight component among Kosovars and Ghegs I think - Coon wrote about that -

MOESAN
12-12-13, 20:04
http://i39.tinypic.com/x5tx1j.jpg

as an amateur anthropologist I have always avoided the girls photos (selected, often "modified" faces and bodies) to form my "knowledge" - very mistaking -
no offense, I look at girls photos for other kinds of pleasure (lol)!

Sile
13-12-13, 10:14
as an amateur anthropologist I have always avoided the girls photos (selected, often "modified" faces and bodies) to form my "knowledge" - very mistaking -
no offense, I look at girls photos for other kinds of pleasure (lol)!

in order
L to R
Montengrian
Monteegrian
croatian
slovene/croatian
austrian/slovene/friulian

FBS
13-12-13, 16:27
some images of the (Albanian) public people in politics/media in Kosovo, maybe the features will be more distinguishable.

http://intersol.dk/intersol/images/1565.jpg

http://www.albaniapress.com/fotot/lajme_foto/apr_11/311u1_4Florin-Krasnqi-41.jpg

http://ekonomia-ks.com/repository/images/Bekim_Haxhiu-Kamishi.jpg

http://www.telegrafi.com/fo/kosove/f.0716084116575_m.jpg

http://mjeksiaislame.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/baton.jpg

http://albemigrant2011.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/migjen-kelmendi-21.jpg

Garrick
13-12-13, 19:09
The men look typical Epirote/northern Greek and the Girl looks Hungarian or slovak

And I think, he is probably Northern Greek. Girl can be Czech, too.


Albanians, activist, footballer, singer:

http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikimedia/images/wikipedia/sq/9/98/Arton_Musliu.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sq/thumb/3/30/Lala-Albania.jpg/419px-Lala-Albania.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QOYkQ4-fqQA/0.jpg

What is typical member of a people?

When you see someone for the first time to say:

He is Swede. or He is Iranian. or He is Albanian. etc.

When you see first time last two men which people first comes to mind (unrelated to sports shirt or costume)?

Garrick
13-12-13, 20:08
as a whole Albanians are 'balkanic' like (a very imprecise term, but which corresponds to the local mixture) - some of them, nevertheless, have very 'alpinelike' looks compared to other Balkans people (but it occurs also in other ethnies, at lower level) - Seemingly, Tosks would be more 'alpinelike' when Ghegs would seem at the same time more 'nordic' and more 'dinaric', without speaking of the other lightest components (phenotypically speaking here) - as a whole less pigmented than the Anatolia and even the Caucasus people -

Albanians, especially Geg Albanians have high percent E haplogroup.

In Kosovo is peak, carriers of E haplogroup are 45,6%, according Pericic et al (Kosovo Albanians are almost all Geg Albanians).

In Albania Geg Albanians have 42% E haplogroup according Ferri et al.

Kosovo Albanians have J2: 17% and R1b Anatolian/Armenian branch about 20%.

About 82% and more Kosovo Albanians (and all Geg Albanians) have origin from: Egypt/Northern Africa, Middle East and Anatolia/Caucasus.

Kosovo Albanians have 5,3% I1 haplogroup. And Geg Albanians generally (similar for Tosks). They certainly are not Nordic people.

I put fifteen different pictures where someone can see typical Albanians and they are nothing like Nordics. Someone can notices characteristics people of Northern Africa/Middle East/Caucasus, but also, someone can notices Greek, Slavic, and other impacts. But it is only for discussion and researching, and amusement too.

And everyone should respect their origin, someone is from Scandinavia, someone is from Middle East etc. In the end we are all humans. No one should aspire to be something what he is not.

Of course there are Albanians with blue hair (many with blue eyes but black or brown hair). About 15% Albanians are R1a, I1, I2a or R1b branch Italo/Celtic. Though it is erroneously equate haplogroups with pigment however probability for blue hair is much higher at carrier of I1 or R1a than E or J.

I knew one man Albanian origin with blue hair. I told him he is probably I1 or R1a. And he made YDNA-test, and result is, he is R1a. I don't say, maybe result could be different, but probability is much smaller that as J haplogroup carrier he has blue hair.

MOESAN
13-12-13, 20:36
Albanians, especially Geg Albanians have high percent E haplogroup.

In Kosovo is peak, carriers of E haplogroup are 45,6%, according Pericic et al (Kosovo Albanians are almost all Geg Albanians).

In Albania Geg Albanians have 42% E haplogroup according Ferri et al.

Kosovo Albanians have J2: 17% and R1b Anatolian/Armenian branch about 20%.

About 82% and more Kosovo Albanians (and all Geg Albanians) have origin from: Egypt/Northern Africa, Middle East and Anatolia/Caucasus.

Kosovo Albanians have 5,3% I1 haplogroup. And Geg Albanians generally (similar for Tosks). They certainly are not Nordic people.

I put fifteen different pictures where someone can see typical Albanians and they are nothing like Nordics. Someone can notices characteristics people of Northern Africa/Middle East/Caucasus, but also, someone can notices Greek, Slavic, and other impacts. But it is only for discussion and researching, and amusement too.

And everyone should respect their origin, someone is from Scandinavia, someone is from Middle East etc. In the end we are all humans. No one should aspire to be something what he is not.

Of course there are Albanians with blue hair (many with blue eyes but black or brown hair). About 15% Albanians are R1a, I1, I2a or R1b branch Italo/Celtic. Though it is erroneously equate haplogroups with pigment however probability for blue hair is much higher at carrier of I1 or R1a than E or J.

I knew one man Albanian origin with blue hair. I told him he is probably I1 or R1a. And he made YDNA-test, and result is, he is R1a. I don't say, maybe result could be different, but probability is much smaller that as J haplogroup carrier he has blue hair.

we are all humans signifies all things and nothing in these discussion (and helas also in everyday life: to often a politicaly correct slogan); I respect everybody as the majority of people on this forum, that has not to prevent us to discuss genetic and cultural heritages at some point of History - no problem -
the Y-E1b-V13 of Albanians (and south Balkans) heritage is an interesting case : compared to autosomals, it proves very well that drift can occur (and sometimes males-females biased reproduction); believing Albanians of Kosovo are more "african" than other Europeans would be a big mistake -
but if we go farther on, I'm even not sure the branch of Y-E they descend from is not a one that was in Near-Eastern at the most ancient times (it has been discussed on other forums and here too on other threas, concerning the Y-E remote origin, Eurasian or African) - Kosovars are surely a gheg faction that knew a strong isolation at some stage of its history, with tiny numbers before more espansion -
have a good week-end -

Garrick
13-12-13, 23:24
some images of the (Albanian) public people in politics/media in Kosovo, maybe the features will be more distinguishable.

http://www.telegrafi.com/fo/kosove/f.0716084116575_m.jpg


Maybe he is Albanian but he looks like as Serb.

Garrick
13-12-13, 23:26
we are all humans signifies all things and nothing in these discussion (and helas also in everyday life: to often a politicaly correct slogan); I respect everybody as the majority of people on this forum, that has not to prevent us to discuss genetic and cultural heritages at some point of History - no problem -
the Y-E1b-V13 of Albanians (and south Balkans) heritage is an interesting case : compared to autosomals, it proves very well that drift can occur (and sometimes males-females biased reproduction); believing Albanians of Kosovo are more "african" than other Europeans would be a big mistake -
but if we go farther on, I'm even not sure the branch of Y-E they descend from is not a one that was in Near-Eastern at the most ancient times (it has been discussed on other forums and here too on other threas, concerning the Y-E remote origin, Eurasian or African) - Kosovars are surely a gheg faction that knew a strong isolation at some stage of its history, with tiny numbers before more espansion -
have a good week-end -

Every haplogroup has its origin. Some authors think that origin of E haplogroup is Asia (not Eurasian). But for most authors haplogroup E is undoubtedly the African which confirms findings and papers (Hamitic race is associated with this haplogroup).

Garrick
13-12-13, 23:33
http://i39.tinypic.com/x5tx1j.jpg

in order
L to R
Montengrian
Monteegrian
croatian
slovene/croatian
austrian/slovene/friulian



First girl L maybe is Serbian. But young girls are not good for comparison (almost every young girl regardless of the region by definition is beautiful, plus clothing, makeup, etc.).

FBS
14-12-13, 16:04
Maybe he is Albanian but he looks like as Serb.
He is Albanian, maybe Serbs look like Albanians. I have a lot of my close cousins that are assimilated - became Serbs.

MOESAN
14-12-13, 16:34
Every haplogroup has its origin. Some authors think that origin of E haplogroup is Asia (not Eurasian). But for most authors haplogroup E is undoubtedly the African which confirms findings and papers (Hamitic race is associated with this haplogroup).

when I say Eurasia I include Arabic peninsula and Near East, extreme southern part of a "great caucasian type province" - Hamitic origin is just on the border of Arabia, even if on the african continent - the East of Africa is a weird region in Africa at some level... so Y-E is "african" geographically, but genetically... North Africa too is 'arfrican' ...; for Y-E I maintain my reserves - going farther we all can say we are african: our HGs ar all muted forms of an african ancient HG - concerning TODAY Y-E1b-V13 bearers and autosomals, see again my post aboove

Garrick
14-12-13, 20:00
He is Albanian, maybe Serbs look like Albanians. I have a lot of my close cousins that are assimilated - became Serbs.

For this man I know that he is Albanian, but he looks like the Serbs. You can find many more Serbs than Albanians like him.

There's the other way around. Only in the 19th century lived in Kosovo between 30-50.000 islamized Serbs. Their descedants, over 150.000, are today Albanians. Probably in Albania is more people whose ancestors have Serbian origin.

The Balkan nations is determined in many ways religion and not a nation or origin. Orthodox Albanians became Greeks and Serbs, islamized Greeks and Serbs became Albanians and Turks (and for Serbs some of them became Bosniacs).

FBS
14-12-13, 20:30
For this man I know that he is Albanian, but he looks like the Serbs. You can find many more Serbs than Albanians like him.

There's the other way around. Only in the 19th century lived in Kosovo between 30-50.000 islamized Serbs. Their descedants, over 150.000, are today Albanians. Probably in Albania is more people whose ancestors have Serbian origin.

The Balkan nations is determined in many ways religion and not a nation or origin. Orthodox Albanians became Greeks and Serbs, islamized Greeks and Serbs became Albanians and Turks (and for Serbs some of them became Bosniacs).
There is evidence that Slavic admixture is present in Albanians of Albania and that can be backed up historically as well, but not in Kosovo. This issue was discussed in other threads.

Garrick
14-12-13, 21:48
There is evidence that Slavic admixture is present in Albanians of Albania and that can be backed up historically as well, but not in Kosovo. This issue was discussed in other threads.

I thought only for about 30.000-50.000 Serbs, inhabitants of Kosovo, who converted to Islam in time of Ottoman empire. After several generations they gradually began adopting Albanian dress to safety, and outside their narrow family cyrcle they spoke the Albanian language. And Muslim faith which says that all Muslims are brothers and they are members of Ummah (Muslim community), and Muslim Sharia law which don't recognize nations only religion, for example Muslim woman can't marry for Christian man only for Muslim, this meant that the Serb Muslim women could be married to Muslim Albanians and Muslim Turks but not for Christian Serbs although they are the same nation!

I said that only in the context, because it is evident that there are Kosovo Albanians who have a physical look as Serbs.

Of course, I know that throughout history some Orthodox Albanians assimilated into the Greeks and Serbs. Again, in the Balkans religion has played a major role in the formation of modern nations.

FBS
17-12-13, 17:14
I thought only for about 30.000-50.000 Serbs, inhabitants of Kosovo, who converted to Islam in time of Ottoman empire. After several generations they gradually began adopting Albanian dress to safety, and outside their narrow family cyrcle they spoke the Albanian language. And Muslim faith which says that all Muslims are brothers and they are members of Ummah (Muslim community), and Muslim Sharia law which don't recognize nations only religion, for example Muslim woman can't marry for Christian man only for Muslim, this meant that the Serb Muslim women could be married to Muslim Albanians and Muslim Turks but not for Christian Serbs although they are the same nation!

I said that only in the context, because it is evident that there are Kosovo Albanians who have a physical look as Serbs.

Of course, I know that throughout history some Orthodox Albanians assimilated into the Greeks and Serbs. Again, in the Balkans religion has played a major role in the formation of modern nations.

If Serbs of south converted to Muslims they either became Bosniaks or Gorani (or similar) who spoke Slavic language. There is no evidence of the Serb admixture among Kosovar Albanians.

Garrick
17-12-13, 23:27
If Serbs of south converted to Muslims they either became Bosniaks or Gorani (or similar) who spoke Slavic language. There is no evidence of the Serb admixture among Kosovar Albanians.

Maybe you did not read about it. And Serbs don't like write it. We can debate in the new theme, but it is not theme here, I'm just saying that the guy looks like a Serb, and there are many more Serbs than Albanians like him.

Zemra
19-12-13, 19:15
http://i39.tinypic.com/x5tx1j.jpg

The girl in the middle looks Southern Albanian, Labe more precisely, the others are a little more difficult to pinpoint because they look very pan-Albanian. Are they from Tirana? It's a mixed place.


Though it is erroneously equate haplogroups with pigment however
And stop. That's it. Nothing else you said matters.

http://www.tiranajone.edu.al/wp-content/gallery/gallery2/427121_2987795813819_1229782053_32464443_100238873 3_n.jpg
http://www.visit-ulcinj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Koncert-p%C3%ABr-nder-t%C3%AB-f%C3%ABmive-nga-Kosova-me-rastin-e-100-vjetorit.6.jpg
http://www.visit-ulcinj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/MEDIATION-ULQIN-2010.jpg
http://mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/studentet-UET-tek-Palmanova.jpg
http://justinianiipare.com/images/foto%20diplomimi%202010%20562.jpg
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/935768_355811257878089_505318580_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/469606_10150949008380240_1972772823_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/470387_10150949525385240_199750196_o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/itdSN1E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ud9Avv5.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/322132_10150531644145240_1315252252_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/328236_10150531632165240_2024116749_o.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/972035_10151711179600240_20800568_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/59240_394374890678189_106195105_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/61914_322833844498961_526262815_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/404248_318071781641834_624306192_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/469355_10151066071085240_1900032073_o.jpg

mihaitzateo
19-12-13, 20:34
E-V13 is I think associated with some of the Ancient Greeks,also.
If today populations of North Africa are backwards,that does not means that old North Africa populations were like that,for example ancient Egyptians,or some of the Ancient Greeks,that might have come from North Africa.

However,Albanians and especially Kosovar Albanians do not have too much in common with Greeks,except genetics,they are backwards people.
Albanians are taking pride that their genetics is like that which is pure non-sense.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29357-Homicide-rate-Saints-and-Devils-of-modern-Europe
Crime rate in Albania - 4 per 1000 people,crime rate in Serbia,1.2 per 1000 people.

Zemra
19-12-13, 23:00
E-V13 is I think associated with some of the Ancient Greeks,also.
If today populations of North Africa are backwards,that does not means that old North Africa populations were like that,for example ancient Egyptians,or some of the Ancient Greeks,that might have come from North Africa.

However,Albanians and especially Kosovar Albanians do not have too much in common with Greeks,except genetics,they are backwards people.
Albanians are taking pride that their genetics is like that which is pure non-sense.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29357-Homicide-rate-Saints-and-Devils-of-modern-Europe
Crime rate in Albania - 4 per 1000 people,crime rate in Serbia,1.2 per 1000 people.

Define backwardsness because that is the dumbest conclusion I've seen all day. Estonia has a higher crime than Albania. So does Lithuania. Amsterdam's is also higher. I'm pretty sure they're very well economically if that's what you mean.

When Europe had its Dark Ages, North Africa was having a renaissance. Compare Europe and MENA today. When Western Europe was strugling, Byzantine Empire was thriving. Compare Eastern and Western Europe today. The World changes all the time. There was once a time when India's economy was better than Chinas. Speaking of which, we have entered an Asian century and a Western decline. There's a new change.

So many people talk about Albanians without knowing a thing. Where does your wide knowledge come from anyway? Does it makes you look better or feel better?

tr0lls, tr0lls everywhere...


http://prizren360.com/uploads/images/normal/VeshjeShqiptare%20(1).jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/625554_515771968538480_1299882095_n.jpg
http://www.ocmc.org/images/articles/hires/Gabriela%20discusses%20the%20content%20of%20one%20 of%20the%20dramas%20with%20children%20of%20the%20c amp%20in%20Malisheva%20%202.JPG
http://tribunashqiptare.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/shkolla-5.jpg
http://www.shqiptarja.com/foto/cache/watermark_colorbox/49686.jpg

Eldritch
19-12-13, 23:09
Considering this pics are with a lot of people in them, aka not cherrypicked, it means they're very realistic.

Garrick
19-12-13, 23:21
And stop. That's it. Nothing else you said matters.


Why are you surprised. For example one man from Yorkshire, was so blond and blue eyed. But he was found to be haplogroup A1.

I said young girls are at least reliable for the racial image. Also a school and similar photos where people are posed.

Demonstrations (riots) or matches give much better picture because people are spontaneous.

http://www.pravda.rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/protest-skoplje.jpg

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/file/show/Images/Images.New/Places/Skopje/Skopje%20albanians%20protest%202012%20May%20by%20A P%20Boris%20Grdanoski.jpg

http://www.telegraf.rs/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/08/Protest-Albanaca-u-Skoplju-3.jpg

Zemra
20-12-13, 00:47
Why are you surprised. For example one man from Yorkshire, was so blond and blue eyed. But he was found to be haplogroup A1.

I said young girls are at least reliable for the racial image. Also a school and similar photos where people are posed.

Demonstrations (riots) or matches give much better picture because people are spontaneous.


And I know someone who plotted much more Southern than the average Albanian but no one in Sweden recognized him as foreign, because of his really blond hair and blue eyes. He was J2 BTW. It means nothing.

Do those pictures (http://bamboozledinhollis.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ojintime.png) you post make you feel better? Do they make you look better in comparision? Can you show us at the doll where did the bad man touched you when you were little? There is something really wrong with you, it's probably that. One trip to Serbia and all I saw were Asian people everywhere. At least I can speak of experience unlike you. Demonstration are better than classes of students, right, that's the stupiest excuse ever.

http://www.kosovarja.ch/link/presheva/files/Fotografia/Teknika2011-big.jpg
http://www.ama-news.al/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/protesta.jpg
http://arbenmuka.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/p1050545.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/704440_512697065421660_1694524128_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/704609_512697255421641_1022942438_o.jpg

Garrick
20-12-13, 02:14
And I know someone who plotted much more Southern than the average Albanian but no one in Sweden recognized him as foreign, because of his really blond hair and blue eyes. He was J2 BTW. It means nothing.

Do those pictures (http://bamboozledinhollis.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ojintime.png) you post make you feel better? Do they make you look better in comparision? Can you show us at the doll where did the bad man touched you when you were little? There is something really wrong with you, it's probably that. One trip to Serbia and all I saw were Asian people everywhere. At least I can speak of experience unlike you. Demonstration are better than classes of students, right, that's the stupiest excuse ever.

Probably you did not understand, it is in the context. Photos where people pose are less spontaneous, in demonstrations or at football fans someone can better to note the character, face, natural movement etc. Of course posing is even more true for professional photos which are often include montages and photoshop.

Zemra
20-12-13, 04:44
Probably you did not understand, it is in the context. Photos where people pose are less spontaneous, in demonstrations or at football fans someone can better to note the character, face, natural movement etc. Of course posing is even more true for professional photos which are often include montages and photoshop.

Yes, I've written a paper in school on how media tends to darken people they want to portray badly, because people tend to associate lighter with good. Lots of countries do this. And it's pretty easy for the goverment to manipulate the masses. For example, during communism in what's modern day Ukraine some people paid/forced to pretend to run for work to make it look there was plenty to do during the day, or the work was flowing.

I disagree with you on football photos, you can't see their faces at all:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sq/4/45/Tifozat_Shqiptar.jpg
https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/uLvDhOSH_Z4/maxresdefault.jpg

So what is wrong with my images you feel the need to post yours? Are mine less representative? I'm posting large groups of people, I'm posting from all over the country, and I'm know my people better than you. You wanted riot photos? I posted them.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/55319_365562620203614_469159353_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/468473_342411355852074_1084536832_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/471661_300880503338493_947837749_o.jpg

mihaitzateo
20-12-13, 11:23
The pictures are not realistic,since most of them are taken into clubs.
Now,what percentage of the youth of Albania are going in those clubs?
Taking even the national football team of Albania,you can see no one is light haired,while in these pictures,lots of people are light haired.
http://i0.wp.com/www.footballmatchpreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/albania-national-football-team.jpg

If I would go and take pictures of Norwegians in clubs,most would be much more dark skinned,than normal,since they are going to tanning studios.

Garrick
20-12-13, 12:05
Yes, I've written a paper in school on how media tends to darken people they want to portray badly, because people tend to associate lighter with good. Lots of countries do this. And it's pretty easy for the goverment to manipulate the masses. For example, during communism in what's modern day Ukraine some people paid/forced to pretend to run for work to make it look there was plenty to do during the day, or the work was flowing.

I disagree with you on football photos, you can't see their faces at all.

I gave example for riots or football fans. This can be anything: farmers in the fields, old people in front of the tea restaurants, prisoners at force labor etc. Spontaneous photos best reflect the face and character.

The best photos are from photograph master who know to catch the moment, for example:

http://m6.i.pbase.com/g3/49/786749/2/125073846.wZntLOLf.jpg

Zemra
20-12-13, 22:45
The pictures are not realistic,since most of them are taken into clubs.
Now,what percentage of the youth of Albania are going in those clubs?
Taking even the national football team of Albania,you can see no one is light haired,while in these pictures,lots of people are light haired.

If I would go and take pictures of Norwegians in clubs,most would be much more dark skinned,than normal,since they are going to tanning studios.

99% of youths go to clubs. They're free to enter and the drinks are very cheap. In fact they're encouraged to drink by by making peanuts and other salty junk food free and water more expensive, unless it comes with coffee. Nightlife starts after 5 o'clock when everything is opened again (after 1 everything is closed) and ends the morning after. I'm actually suprised there actually was a 1% that doesn't. And they're not mostly from clubs they're mostly from schools. We call it "Mbrëmja e Maturës" which is basically graduation celebration.

I'm posting huge numbers of people in one picture, much more than one picture you posted. How is yours more representative than mine?

http://www.rilindjademokratike.com/web/images/11/ekonomi/shkolla.jpg
http://www.abazajeti.com/files/images/gjeografet%20e%20rinje/kazerma%20Adem%20jashari%202013.jpg


I gave example for riots or football fans. This can be anything: farmers in the fields, old people in front of the tea restaurants, prisoners at force labor etc. Spontaneous photos best reflect the face and character.

The best photos are from photograph master who know to catch the moment, for example:

Great picture to represent capturing the moment :laughing:
This is capturing the moment, look at the expression on his face:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Is%C3%AB_Elezi,_lahutar_nga_Rugova.jpg
Or do you mean with people picking thier noses, that's more random:
http://www.noa.al/news/admin/home/noa/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pleq-tirane-noa.jpg
Or here's a boxer right before entering the ring (that counts as a moment right?):
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/28049_523905344300832_296015997_n.jpg?lvh=1
Or how about just leave everything to people who know better. Like me.

None of you has ever been to Albania. I on the other hand have been in your countries and I've seen what people look like there. Am I spamming endlessly like you? Everyone who puts Altin Lala (a gypsy) as representative of Albanians obviously has an agenda. Or you know, the bad man touch him when little and it's trying to get his depresseion to someone else. One of the two.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/417660_104575819673148_1377991465_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/249061_407765529339125_299832631_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/993500_516220898493587_302082453_n.jpg
http://www.albanian-folklore.com/pictures/album-19/292.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1522340_516220895160254_511209102_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1270269_517699921656549_1024627590_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/703853_402061963220346_456952201_o.jpg
http://www.ikub.al/Handlers/Images.ashx?id=8278d76d-6453-40e0-b5c9-267e55265533
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/559913_389755687773274_1737985642_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/601044_410740509008125_522284814_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/478770_319046468177530_211000855_o.jpg

Garrick
21-12-13, 03:26
I'm posting huge numbers of people in one picture, much more than one picture you posted. How is yours more representative than mine?


It is not the point whose pictures are representative. All pictures represent different racial images of Albanians. However, there are characteristic pictures and less characteristic, pictures where master photographer captured right moment and face and faded pictures where people pose. Right pictures are authentic.

All young women in the world should be beautiful. And young people in school photos look alike.

Key problem is desire for embellished picture of reality and to present the beautified images.

But the reality is harsh (including poverty) and the image of reality is uglier.

Have you ever wondered why there are no issues of racial image of the French or Dutch for example?

Albanians will never be like the French and Dutch, etc. If an Albanian trying to be someone else he will seem to be only a pale copy and he will act grotesque.

Do not understand me wrong this applies not only for Albanians, general among Balkan people somebody may find some people who want to be someone else.


Everyone who puts Altin Lala (a gypsy) as representative of Albanians obviously has an agenda.

I don't look in the red corpuscles. You say one of people in the picture is not ethnic Albanian (he is from Albania). But your sentence sounds racially (offense). Because if he is a Rom when you say he is gypsy and Roma people are people, as Albanians and anyone else.

Zemra
21-12-13, 06:30
It is not the point whose pictures are representative. All pictures represent different racial images of Albanians. However, there are characteristic pictures and less characteristic, pictures where master photographer captured right moment and face and faded pictures where people pose. Right pictures are authentic.
Mine are pretty represenative and authentic. I'm posting from everywhere.


All young women in the world should be beautiful. And young people in school photos look alike.
The first part: ok?. Second part: ok? Something that doesn't have to do with anything.


Key problem is desire for embellished picture of reality and to present the beautified images.

But the reality is harsh (including poverty) and the image of reality is uglier.

I honestly don't know what reality you're talking about. Poverty? Yes it's a poor country but people don't live in barracks here. Most have two houses, one at the beach, and one year round. Cities turn in ghost towns during summer. Social life is really important here, people talk a lot, hang out a lot with each other, laugh a lot. Wedding celebrations are huge, expensive, include 200-300 guests, women change 4 dresses per night which will never be used again in a lifetime. Houses are cleaned several times a day. People use different footwear for different rooms, and no shoes allowed in the house. Coffee is everywhere, it's a huge coffee culture. Nightclubs are booming. Kids play on PS4 and XBox One. Everyday they're bulding a new mall (which will mostly be used for coffee anyway). Speaking of bulding, they're bulding so many new things. On afternoons everyone (actually mostly women) has their eyes on soap operas with a coffee in hand. Kids play, kids fight, kids make up, kids go to school, kids grow up. Public schools/universities are free. Everyone dresses alike dependning on what's trendy at the moment. That's what you see in a typical day on the overwhelming majority of the population.


Have you ever wondered why there are no issues of racial image of the French or Dutch for example?
This is the racial image of Albanians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRX2rIijTRw
I don't think they portray us like Algerians. Which is exacly what you're doing. In fact, look at the similarities with my pictures.


Albanians will never be like the French and Dutch, etc. If an Albanian trying to be someone else he will seem to be only a pale copy and he will act grotesque.
I hope not, French and especially the Dutch are really cold people (personal experience). If someone asks for directions, you walk with them till they find what they were looking for, it's your responsibility to make sure they arrive safely at their destination and never leave until you see them safely enter. If they want something to drink or eat... At least that's what Albanians do. What can I say? It's culture clash.


Do not understand me wrong this applies not only for Albanians, general among Balkan people somebody may find some people who want to be someone else.
I've noticed more that the Balkan people wanting to portrary others as crude charicatures. Am I doing that? No. Are you doing that? Yes. Am I posting perfectly fine photos represetative of the overwhelming majority of people? Yes. Are you making stupid excuses? Yes and they're getting more and more ridiculous. All you're trying to say "Your pictures don't look Arab enough to me so let me fix it with some cherrypicking" http://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/stahp.jpg

If I wanted to post "beautified" images, here's one from beauty pageants just so people can tell the difference.
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/931173_607390629284706_941444760_n.jpg


I don't look in the red corpuscles. You say one of people in the picture is not ethnic Albanian (he is from Albania). But your sentence sounds racially (offense). Because if he is a Rom when you say he is gypsy and Roma people are people, as Albanians and anyone else.
Jevg, Gabel, Ashkali, Magjup. Are these better? Everything is offensive. Roma is offensive to Romanians, have you noticed the similarities in names? What you're posting is offensive. You must be really desperate to play the politically correct card. What's next? Grammar?

http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/DSC_0208.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0110.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0565.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0552.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0438.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0468.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0350.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0342.jpg
http://www.tetova.gov.mk/wp-content/gallery/vizite-ne-shkollat-e-fshatrave-malore/dsc_0330.jpg
http://portalb.mk/CMS/Content/UploadImages/ImgBig/D01FC9D3202AB1F4331A63BDFEACC583.jpg
http://sq.pmio.mk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DSC01610.jpg
http://www.shpresa.org/shqip/uploaded_images/yase3.jpg
http://www.tetovasot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/DSCN7279-1024x768.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1044043_432667336848944_237907541_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1003408_432668153515529_615512905_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/q71/s720x720/1010071_432667326848945_1347785231_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/970525_465924353501927_1589767703_n.jpg

Garrick
21-12-13, 16:47
I hope not, French and especially the Dutch are really cold people (personal experience). If someone asks for directions, you walk with them till they find what they were looking for, it's your responsibility to make sure they arrive safely at their destination and never leave until you see them safely enter. If they want something to drink or eat... At least that's what Albanians do. What can I say? It's culture clash.

I've noticed more that the Balkan people wanting to portrary others as crude charicatures. Am I doing that? No. Are you doing that? Yes. Am I posting perfectly fine photos represetative of the overwhelming majority of people? Yes. Are you making stupid excuses? Yes and they're getting more and more ridiculous. All you're trying to say "Your pictures don't look Arab enough to me so let me fix it with some cherrypicking" http://duckduckgrayduck.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/stahp.jpg

If I wanted to post "beautified" images, here's one from beauty pageants just so people can tell the difference.

You didn't understood. I thought, I was enough clear.

In Serbian there is adage (it is no offense, in context):

"Frog saw forging horses..."



Jevg, Gabel, Ashkali, Magjup. Are these better? Everything is offensive. Roma is offensive to Romanians, have you noticed the similarities in names? What you're posting is offensive. You must be really desperate to play the politically correct card. What's next? Grammar?


Ok, it is your opinion. And for it there is adage but another time.

Every man is human being and Rom too.

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For me it is interesting that someone notices differences between Gegs and Tosks (for example haplogroups have differences although haplogroups and racial images and faces are different things).

Albanian, elite, Kosovo (Geg)

http://www.gjuhashqipe.com/images/lajmetariimages/420x280/327394548lajmetari327394548.jpg


It would be good to see more pictures of Tosks.

Zemra
21-12-13, 20:06
You didn't understood. I thought, I was enough clear.

In Serbian there is adage (it is no offense, in context):

"Frog saw forging horses..."

Ok, it is your opinion. And for it there is adage but another time.

Every man is human being and Rom too.

*
For me it is interesting that someone notices differences between Gegs and Tosks (for example haplogroups have differences although haplogroups and racial images and faces are different things).

It would be good to see more pictures of Tosks.
Yes you were clear: "These people don't look Arab enough to me, let me fix it". That's all what you're doing, and actions speak louder than words. This isn't a topic about gypsies, so keep them out.

Well, since you want to see Tosks so badly:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6739/183attach1img230045mt2rqn8.jpg

I'm posting both here. That's why I post people in traditional costumes so much, you can tell the region they're from.
This is Gheg for example:
http://albaniaheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/0053.jpg
This is Tosk:
http://albaniaheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/0953.jpg

And these are people from everywhere, since it's Tirana:
http://i.imgur.com/NSFnS.jpg
https://lh3.ggpht.com/_YxILpm5orNw/SlIqXA4-uAI/AAAAAAAASPA/Jim177pgsGE/s1600/Pamja+nga+ceremonia.JPG
http://i.imgur.com/fQaSWNx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BgT2b.jpg

Garrick
21-12-13, 21:30
Yes you were clear: "These people don't look Arab enough to me, let me fix it". That's all what you're doing, and actions speak louder than words. This isn't a topic about gypsies, so keep them out.

Well, since you want to see Tosks so badly.

I love all people, including Roma. You began first to talk about Roma.

I talk about authenticity and not about beautified images.

And pictures are real, from the life. Albanian dervish; several Albanian women.

http://www.kosovo.net/images/kosovo_dervishes2.jpg

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld//files/2010/06/cr_mega_718_kosovo-scarf.jpg

Zemra
21-12-13, 22:52
I love all people, including Roma. You began first to talk about Roma.

I talk about authenticity and not about beautified images.

And pictures are real, from the life.



Love them. Marry them. I don't care. I know life here and you don't. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know. Asking questions is one thing, but pretendng to know it's a completely different thing. Your Gorani pictures are off topic.

BTW some Tosk Albanians
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/375345_340140422768303_864037058_n.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/295077_412088502240161_721428070_n.jpg

Sports teams
http://www.ikub.al/Handlers/Images.ashx?id=c9be0ef4-4731-4b10-b4be-f055740b1a0b
http://sportekspres.com/wp-content/oqey_gallery/galleries/futboll-oqey-gallery/galimg/1.jpg
http://gazeta-nacional.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/kombetarja-u-19-para-Belgjikes-3-1-800x417.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/922875_407829545999390_1334935376_n.jpg
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/922870_407765539339124_49948041_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/976283_601702556521110_714632220_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/474803_601703003187732_1906852134_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/965124_601875879837111_1571174709_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/964411_601882926503073_1433392121_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/981318_601699939854705_1029433271_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/468481_601699953188037_344795676_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/468603_601700239854675_713643403_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/976889_601700993187933_954436729_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/705129_601702456521120_21901142_o.jpg

Garrick
22-12-13, 00:34
Well, since you want to see Tosks so badly:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6739/183attach1img230045mt2rqn8.jpg



This is Tosk Albanian too (elite).

http://krahu.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/krenar-lasko-ok.jpg?w=380

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And someone can see there are differences between Tosks and Gegs in physical look.Human beings should be real.



Love them. Marry them. I don't care. I know life here and you don't. You shouldn't talk about things you don't know.


Every human being, including Roma people, has own value.

Christianity teaches love.

Zemra
22-12-13, 02:23
And someone can see there are differences between Tosks and Gegs in physical look.Human beings should be real.

Every human being, including Roma people, has own value.

Christianity teaches love.

Indeed, Tosks are softer featured in general. But can be often mistaken with each other. You can tell from my pictures what's representaive look and what's not (your pictures).

Roma's are certanly not segregated in their own ghettos in Albania, which I can't say the same from my trip to Serbia. I'm not gonna talk about that, that is the least of your problems. Spite most definitely is the biggest, everything you do, you do it out of spite. So Christian of you. Someone's just fine? Let's ruin it. Again personal observation from my travels. Of course not everyone was like that.

Thanks for the lessons on Christianity, my mother's Orthodox, so Christmas is in January but Merry Christmas even to the ones who celebrates it on 25th. Don't worry no country better than Albania knows what religion tolerance is. Look how happy our religious leaders are to be with each other:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3393/4633331134_a2e3ec7341_o.jpg
http://globalministries.org/news/mee/religious-leaders-of-albania-sig.html

So much has been written about the religion tolerance of Albania:
How Albania's Religious Mix Offers an Example for the Rest of the World (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-schwartz/how-albanias-religious-mix-offers-an-example-for-the-rest-of-the-world_b_2199921.html)
Albania Celebrates 100 years of religious tolerance (http://www.speroforum.com/a/GXPUBSPXYU24/73316-Albania-celebrates-100-years-of-religious-tolerance)
Albania: A Nation of Unique Inter-Religious tolerance (http://www.academicus.edu.al/nr7/Academicus-MMXIII-7-013-018.pdf) (that's a scholarly paper, you can't just post pictures to disagree with that, you have to write your own)
The inter-religious tolerance of the Albanian multi-religious society (http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/969/1000) (also scholarly paper)
Religious Tolerance: Albania. Conference. Summaries (http://bjoerna.net/albania/religious-tolerance-summaries.htm)
The Albanian Model for Religious Tolerance (http://islamophobiainamerica.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/the-albanian-model-for-religious-tolerance/)
Island of Peace: Documentary on Religious Coexistence in Albania (http://www.unesco.org/new/en/venice/about-this-office/single-view/news/island_of_peace_documentary_on_religious_coexisten ce_in_albania/) (even UNESCO had something to say)
Or I'm just linking you to a book written describing Religion Tolerance in Albania (http://books.google.com/books?id=wMhg8VwMs7QC&pg=PA95&lpg=PA95&dq=albanian+religious+tolerance&source=bl&ots=6Xo8CbdBS_&sig=gpqJSbFyzg19Jr-2H-Xvs-5bnR4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rye2UubrE-GNygHYsoHoBw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=albanian%20religious%20tolerance&f=false) and on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Strengthening-Religious-Tolerance-Southern-Security/dp/158603779X?tag=donations09-20)
A Compilation of examples of Religion Tolerance in Albania (http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/50c05ac62.pdf) (we haven't trademarked religious tolerance, but we seemed to be the only one to have it, why is that?)
Albania's 2012 Religious Freedom Report (http://photos.state.gov/libraries/albania/10984/vangjelim/irf2012.pdf)
Clinton's envoys: Religious tolerance in Albania, 'par excellence' (http://news.albanianscreen.tv/pages/news_detail/te_derguarat_e_klinton_toleranca_fetare_ne_shqiper i___par_excellance/ENG)
FEATURE: Albanian religions blend together after hard times (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2011/04/13/2003500647)
Documentary seeks to explain why Albanians saved Jews in Holocaust (http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/03/documentary-seeks-to-explain-why-albanians-saved-jews-in-holocaust/comment-page-7/) (human beings are human beings regardless of religion)

Lastly and most importantly, we never had inter-religous wars that destroyed the country from inside. Instead we celebrate. If you want to know, religious tolerance is awesome and it's worth sharing with the world. Unlike hate, but you insist don't you? Does Christianity teach you to spread hate? It's pretty hypocritical of you to use Christianity like that. Your words say you're spreading love, but your actions prove the opposite and it's what you do that matters. Just look at Pope Francis. He is wildely loved by even non-Christians and for a good reason. His actions inspire godness and that's what Christianity teaches. Unlike you, your actions only inspire more hate. Spare your words of love, actions matter most. Everything you've posted so far in this topic has been inflamatory.

I would like to give credit to the religion whose influence made all this tolerance possible in Albania by simply combining the best two quarreling religions and getting rid of their worst:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/3129213328_d73e36b685_z.jpg
A toast to pantheistic love. It's too bad it's banned in so many countries, countries that need it most.

Garrick
22-12-13, 03:59
Indeed, Tosks are softer featured in general.

This is possible, and may seem logical.



Don't worry no country better than Albania knows what religion tolerance is.

It is good.

Although a lot of ethnic and religious communities were victims in Albania in the 19th and 20th century under various regimes or assimilated.

But you can see these Albanians protest:

http://serbianna.com/blogs/bozinovich/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/001-fyrom-albanian-muslim-2.jpg

Bardhyl
22-12-13, 04:01
First of all, thanks to zemra posting pictures which include most albanians, and which is very representative, I also saw one of the University in Tetovo Macedonia (Where all of the students are Albanian, I was there I know that), and yes zemra you are right we are very tolerant about religion, I like that.

Bardhyl
22-12-13, 04:04
And one thing I forgot, are we really talking about religion in a more or less science Forum? I dont think religion has anything to do here.

Garrick
22-12-13, 05:17
And one thing I forgot, are we really talking about religion in a more or less science Forum? I dont think religion has anything to do here.

None of religion can escape (nor atheists). And lot of scientists are religious. But religion is not here punch line, religion exists and every human being bears in mind it.

People generally have an aspiration to set embellished picture of reality. And it is all right.

But there are second, third... etc. pictures. And not all of the images are beautiful, but it is a reality.

Every man or woman who comes from West Europe in Kosovo, Albania, or Balkans generally can see people, situation, reality. Balkans generally had fall, and earlier is quite far behind.

I think it is better that pictures of people, country, situation... be authentic. To give life as it is. The best pictures are when master photographer catch the moment.

Of course, every member can put what he/she wants. And these pictures express different images and situations.

If someone wants to see reality, people etc. it is the best to come at the destination.

FBS
23-12-13, 15:45
Zemra, thank you for the nice photos, they are absolutely lovely and vibrating.

@Garrick please stop posting photos of people who are not ethnic Albanians. You seem to confuse totally the nationality with ethnicity - they are not the same. There can always be people among Albanians who are ethnic Gorani or Ashkali or Turks, but they are Kosovo or Albanian nationals.

FBS
23-12-13, 15:53
Let us spice it up a bit since the occasional photos do not seem convincing, let us see some beauties>

http://theravireport.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/donaldphotoshoot081.jpg?w=157&h=300

Ms. Kosovo 2008 Zana Krasniqi speaks to the press as Ms. Kosovo 2009 Marigona Dragusha listens in.

Neander
23-12-13, 23:53
in order
L to R
Montengrian
Monteegrian
croatian
slovene/croatian
austrian/slovene/friulian

This is that everybody miss when is racial question of Balkans, specially so-called Garrick who think that Serbs are source of genes in that country where they came at a point of time.

Reality is that Albanians are a substrate: racial, cultural and linguistic.

There is no concidence that it's a wide region which was inhabited by illyrians and thracians, and today are dinarics in race, and have many similarities in language and folklore.

With the coming of germans, hungarians and slavs, these substrate population fled to the mountainous areas of Kosovo and Albania.

Neander
24-12-13, 00:05
I love all people, including Roma. You began first to talk about Roma.

I talk about authenticity and not about beautified images.

And pictures are real, from the life. Albanian dervish; several Albanian women.

http://www.kosovo.net/images/kosovo_dervishes2.jpg

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld//files/2010/06/cr_mega_718_kosovo-scarf.jpg

Garrick, your pictures are tendencious and racist. Other members here have brought pictures with collectives of people which represent the population. You bring here some unveryfied pictures which curiously seems "darker" then other pictures, the same pictures which Serb nationalists post on Stormfront.org