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Angela
12-04-14, 00:16
This woman was already posted on another thread:

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These are others...sorry if I only have a partial view for some...If you click on the picture, it should enlarge.
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Angela
12-04-14, 00:23
These are more "modern" people:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Giuliano_Razzoli_Schladming_2010.jpg

http://www.skionline.ch/images/content/maenner_int/manner_int_portraits/razzoli_giuliano/razzoli_10/razzoli_por_10_zoom.jpg
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Angela
12-04-14, 00:48
These are some others...

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Echetlaeus
12-04-14, 02:33
Is this the so called Alpine-Dinaric phenotype?

Angela
12-04-14, 02:45
Is this the so called Alpine-Dinaric phenotype?

I don't know exactly how most of these people would be "classified"...that's why I'm posting the photos...I'm a total newcomer to this classification business.

What Moesan posted makes sense to me, however. I could see saying that there is a "Dinaric" strain in some of these people, but I don't see it in the first woman I posted. (NL) Nordic/Nordid (I'm still trying to "see" the precise difference) and Alpine make sense for her. I can see the Alpine definitely in most of these people, stronger in some than in others. And some also show a Mediterranean strain.

http://www.emiliaromagnaturismo.it/it/eventi/modena/appennino-modenese/festa-medioevale-di-monfestino/image_event

http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/Foto-Loretta-Amorini-2-Large-Custom.jpg

http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/news_4e05fd94c87c5.jpg

Angela
12-04-14, 02:57
Some others...

http://img.youtube.com/vi/Sq5IlHeC3k4/0.jpg

http://www.conva.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Foto-G.-Arlotti-Custom-2.jpg

Two different types, but both totally typical...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TswUxbvSEgU/0.jpg

http://www.sassuolo2000.it/img/2013/12/piasaceca2-Dallini.jp

http://www.sassuolo2000.it/img/2013/12/piasaceca2-Dallini.jp

Angela
12-04-14, 02:59
http://www.sassuolo2000.it/img/2013/12/piasaceca2-Dallini.jpEd. Sorry, these were personal fotos that didn't post.

Echetlaeus
12-04-14, 03:02
Some of your figures cannot be seen Angela.

Echetlaeus
12-04-14, 03:05
I don't know exactly how most of these people would be "classified"...that's why I'm posting the photos...I'm a total newcomer to this classification business.

What Moesan posted makes sense to me, however. I could see saying that there is a "Dinaric" strain in some of these people, but I don't see it in the first woman I posted. (NL) Nordic/Nordid (I'm still trying to "see" the precise difference) and Alpine make sense for her. I can see the Alpine definitely in most of these people, stronger in some than in others. And some also show a Mediterranean strain.

http://www.emiliaromagnaturismo.it/it/eventi/modena/appennino-modenese/festa-medioevale-di-monfestino/image_event

http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/Foto-Loretta-Amorini-2-Large-Custom.jpg

http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/news_4e05fd94c87c5.jpg

These people are most likely Northen Italians, maybe mixed with German genes, especially the young women.

Angela
12-04-14, 03:39
These people are most likely Northen Italians, maybe mixed with German genes, especially the young women.

What else could they be but Northern Italians...the title of the thread is "People of the Appennino Reggiano"...in other words, people of the Apennine Mountains south of Reggio nell' Emilia...actually, the mountains south of Reggio nell' Emilia and into the Appennino Parmense south of Parma. These are my father's people.

http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/italy/emilia-romagna.jpg

Most of them can trace their ancestors through church records back to the 1500's and beyond to the same set of mountain villages.

German is not a classification.

Echetlaeus
12-04-14, 03:46
What else could they be but Northern Italians...the title of the thread is "People of the Appennino Reggiano"...in other words, people of the Apennine Mountains south of Reggio Emilia...actually, the mountains south of Reggio Emilia and into the Appennino Parmense south of Parma. These are my father's people.

http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/italy/emilia-romagna.jpg

Most of them can trace their ancestors through church records back to the 1500's and beyond to the same set of mountain villages.

German is not a classification.

How do you call Germans then?

Angela
12-04-14, 03:55
How do you call Germans then?

I don't classify people...I don't know enough about it yet. From what I have read some Germans are Nordic, some are Noric, some are Alpine, and some fall into other classifications. I'm by no means an expert.

These groupings formed from population movements far back into pre-history.

Angela
12-04-14, 04:10
If an administrator should happen to read this post...could my attachments from post number 3 be retrieved? I don't know what happened to them.

http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/IMG_6412-Small-285x280.jpg

http://www.sassuolo2000.it/img/2013/12/piasaceca2-Dallini.jpg

http://www.tuttomontagna.it/img_archivio/al%20164/rosi164man.jpg

http://www.telereggio.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/spadoni-maria-edera.jpg

Angela
12-04-14, 05:28
These will only be up for a short time...

Angela
12-04-14, 16:28
These are two more of the private ones...

Angela
12-04-14, 17:03
Here are a few more public pictures I won't have to take down. The attachments that were in post 3 appear to be gone...
The first three are politicians, and the third is a local artist...

http://static.8100.corriereobjects.it/ssi/contents/politica/dettaglio-rappresentanti/immagini/8255.jpg
http://bologna.repubblica.it/images/2011/07/26/130943891-3111db20-55ed-4996-9cc4-1040e5a21c15.jpg

http://www.resegoneonline.it/assets/Uploads/Politica/_resampled/croppedimage701426-delrio.jpg

http://st.ilfattoquotidiano.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/La-tarma-640.jpg?adf349

Angela
12-04-14, 18:20
I do get what a poster wrote about there being a certain Vanessa Redgrave like quality to some of the women, in particular, including the height. (I'm thinking of this girl and the ones in post number 5 as well as others I've posted before.) No doubt Franco Nero found Vanessa Redgrave familiar looking, as he came from San Prospero, a small town between Parma and Reggio Emilia, although in the valley :)

http://www.folclore.it/Pics/Photo/Thumb/2_3832_Thumb.jpg

This is Vanessa Redgrave...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/01/article-0-0DA7887F00000578-906_233x423.jpg



And this is Franco Nero for those who don't remember him..I preferred him in Camelot, myself.
http://media.coveringmedia.com/media/images/movies/2012/12/16/dja_03cf.jpg

And for good measure, here is the director Bernardo Bertolucci, whose family came from the exact same town as Franco Nero...
http://www.archivioriccardi.it/web/images/stories/Bernardo-Bertolucci.jpg

julia90
17-04-14, 01:27
I Know what ecatleus meant; they seem all very central european looking;
this is nothing strange in italy; there can be places where this look is more common. And other places more mediterranean.. We are very diverse. A place very medit. In north Italy is Ferrara-po delta-rovigo i was there and the people were for sure autoctonous in majority

MOESAN
18-04-14, 15:05
[QUOTE=Angela;429605]These are more "modern" people:


http://www.skionline.ch/images/content/maenner_int/manner_int_portraits/razzoli_giuliano/razzoli_10/razzoli_por_10_zoom.jpg
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this young man looks more western European (common in Germany and surroundings, even in Scandinavia): he shows according to me (!) a good cromagnon heritage on the way to partial brachycephally: parallele of the 'alpinization' process, but keeping more bony face compared to genuine COMMON 'alpine' type,: it's to say: the 'borreby' A model, with round almost vertical forehead, NO apparent 'brĂ¼nnoid' features - maybe from Italics but I doubt this type was dominant among them, lacks some 'mediterranean' and 'dinaroid' traits: surely enough more incorporated in a Celtic or Ligurian population before latinization (it could be confirmed by the geographical localization)- just bets

Angela
18-04-14, 16:17
[QUOTE=Angela;429605]These are more "modern" people:


http://www.skionline.ch/images/content/maenner_int/manner_int_portraits/razzoli_giuliano/razzoli_10/razzoli_por_10_zoom.jpg
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this young man looks more western European (common in Germany and surroundings, even in Scandinavia): he shows according to me (!) a good cromagnon heritage on the way to partial brachycephally: parallele of the 'alpinization' process, but keeping more bony face compared to genuine COMMON 'alpine' type,: it's to say: the 'borreby' A model, with round almost vertical forehead, NO apparent 'brĂ¼nnoid' features - maybe from Italics but I doubt this type was dominant among them, lacks some 'mediterranean' and 'dinaroid' traits: surely enough more incorporated in a Celtic or Ligurian population before latinization (it could be confirmed by the geographical localization)- just bets

He's Giuliano Razzoli, Italian gold medalist in the slalom.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Giuliano_Razzoli_Schladming_2010.jpg/250px-Giuliano_Razzoli_Schladming_2010.jpg

And you can tell from his hat where he's from! He was born in a village a few kilometers from where my father was born. It's not at all an uncommon look there. I told you we harbored some "Cro-Magnon" types up there.:smile: What you say about it forming part of the "Ligure" gene pool makes sense to me. Cavalli-Sforza thought these mountains and the Appennino Ligure served as a refuge area for them.

In the plains, and even in the mountains to some extent, that genetic "strain" has mixed with Mediterranean and/or "Dinaric" (?) to produce people who look like Luca Toni...Does that make sense?
http://cdn.jolie.de/bilder/luca-toni-400x400-25523.jpg

oreo_cookie
25-10-14, 19:28
If you want the technical term used by anthropologists to describe many of the looks I see here, you'd want "Subnordid", which is a Nordid type that is prevalent around the Alps region and differs slightly from Nordid types of further north in that it has higher Alpine components.

Pax Augusta
08-12-14, 13:21
If you want the technical term used by anthropologists to describe many of the looks I see here, you'd want "Subnordid", which is a Nordid type that is prevalent around the Alps region and differs slightly from Nordid types of further north in that it has higher Alpine components.

Anthropologists don't use anymore these terms.

Angela
08-12-14, 17:22
I can't believe all of those attachments are gone.

Tilde Lotti: Partisan, Communist Party Leader, Politician. She's a dead ringer for my father's mother...also a fearsome, but admirable woman.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/e/ec/NildeIotti.jpg

Zucchero (Adelmo Fornacciari) is from Reggio Emilia, of course, although from the town so far as I know. He certainly has a look found in the mountains, though. We feel he's quite one of us, as he was born right over the mountains, and then raised in Forte dei Marmi. He came back to live in the area, having a home in Pontremoli. He can often be seen out and about, he and his daughter Irene.

http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/Zucchero_Adelmo_Fornaciari_1.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5196/8410878521_c7b3741b43_z.jpg

See, this is what I was talking about on the other thread... the face shape, jaw line, chin, cheekbones, and in this case even the forehead. It's not at all uncommon in this part of Italy...Irene looks almost exactly like one of my cousins, except my cousin had copper red hair. It's my face too, just softened, thank God, with my mother's nose and very dark hair and eyes. (I also don't have all those freckles, double thank God, although Irene, lucky girl, doesn't seem to have such a big, flattish skull, and she has larger eyes. )

Am I nuts, or is there indeed a slight resemblance to Wynnona Judd?
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/theboot.com/files/2010/11/wynonna-judd-200-110110.jpg

Mars
08-12-14, 17:49
My great-grandmother was from Montefiorino, a village in the tosco-emilian appennine, province of Modena. She looked like some of the people posted in this thread. Other individuals from that area:
Giovanni Lindo Ferretti, author and songwriter
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Vasco Rossi, a very popular singer in Italy
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Caterina Caselli, another singer, here in her young age (that area is full of musicians...!)
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Angela
08-12-14, 20:04
You're right...lots and lots of musicians and singers. That whole triangle from Genova to Emilia down to Toscana has produced so much of Italian music, I think. Look at our opera as just one example...Parma and Lucca. Even in personal life it's very important. I don't think it's a coincidence that La Scala is one of the most difficult opera houses in the world in which to perform. They're all critics. :grin:

The Appennino Reggiano again:
http://www.redacon.it/wp-content/uploads/news_4a0595559854e.jpg

Here are some from the Appennino Parmense. (I really should have included that in the title.) I've never seen much difference between them and the people of the Appennino Reggiano. They've intermarried a lot over the years.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8pu0qdVhyCo/VGUfMTonk7I/AAAAAAAAmdQ/Sc7tFgymz-k/s1600/IMG_4286.jpg

We do have some pretty hideous skull shapes showing up...I get to say that, because they're my people.:laughing:

http://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-parma/2014/11/24/095415363-5c71c47d-face-4d82-8a18-2f0df20298dd.jpg

Some beautiful, darker varieties too, if one of the Parma blogs I read is correct. I don't know about the maternal line. No matter, I'm going to claim him anyway!

http://www.spaziocompost.it/img2/Immagini/varie/jacopo-maria-bicocchi.jpg

Angela
09-12-14, 04:15
These are some of the ones that got lost from the first posts-both Parma and Reggio Emilia
http://ventassotrekking.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/465.jpg

http://siamo-tutti-partigiani-parma.blogautore.repubblica.it/files/2014/05/annibale.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/2/26/Alberto_Michelotti.JPG/220px-Alberto_Michelotti.JPG



http://www.conipiediperterra.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Nazionale-del-Parmigiano-Reggiano-Custom.jpg


http://www.24emilia.com//reggio24ore/immagini/politica/marconi_gianluca.jpg

http://www.sanremostory.it/wp-content/uploads/Zucchero-09.jpg

Mars
09-12-14, 18:48
Another music band from that area, Offlaga Disco Pax:
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Angela
09-12-14, 20:26
Good representation of the darker pigmented ones, I think, although usually they're more common down in the valley.

I absolutely hate this trend toward full beards. My son has now succombed...he looks like this!:annoyed:

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jase-robertson-duck-dynasty.jpg
http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/jase-robertson-duck-dynasty.jpg
It has the same orange tone compared to his hair. Why would anyone want to cover up a handsome face this way?
I told him that when he's home for Christmas I'm going to wait until he's asleep, and then I'm going to cut it off!:smile:

Mars
09-12-14, 20:40
I absolutely hate this trend toward full beards.

I have a full beard and I love it! :laughing::laughing::good_job:

Angela
09-12-14, 21:04
Well, I hope yours isn't orange, and that it's neater. :smile:

I emphatically don't like the fact that my son now looks like a "mountain man" or like he makes duck calls for a living. He's even taken to wearing plaid flannel shirts!

Oh well, maybe it's just a phase. He's also between girlfriends. When the next one shows up on the scene, she and I will have a word. He always listens to them more than to me. :rolleyes2: Mothers have to be Machiavellian at times.