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Angela
14-04-14, 22:33
Ed. I'm going to include other women in political life as well.

Half of the sixteen ministers are women...Just click to enlarge.
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By the way, I find the hand-wringing in the Anglo press about all the "sexist" negative comments in the Italian press about their clothing choices for their appearance at the Quirinale to be rather hypocritical, or they have very short memories. Does no one remember the endless discussions about Hillary's hair and pants suits and her weight? Or Thatcher's hair and clothes? PLEASE! It's the way it is when you're in the public eye. Men avoid the worst of it because they wear a uniform. And in a fashion and appearance obsessed country like Italy it's going to be worse. For the record, the criticism was spot on for Guidi, as she needs to ditch the too young and too blonde Heidi/Maria from the Sound of Music hair and highlights and get her eyebrows redone. They were right about Lanzetta too...I mean, what was she thinking when she put on those boots? As for palazzo pants, they were evening wear in the eighties, duh, and Boschi's get up I might wear to a PTA luncheon, but for this occasion? Please, and it is too bright. A couple of the jackets are too bright, especially for the season. A little elegance, please. I'm sure Armani would be happy to advise. As for Giannini's and Madia's sheer black stockings, that's getting a little picky even for me. They look quite elegant and appropriate for the occasion. Madia should also get honorable mention as she's heavily pregnant. Trust the troglodyte from the troglodyte Lega Nord to make an issue of it.
Marianna Madia...
http://www.termometropolitico.it/media/2013/12/Marianna-Madia.jpg

Stefania Giannini
http://1.citynews-pisatoday.stgy.it/%7Emedia/originale/34456730984336/stefania-giannini-ministro-2.jpg


Federica Guidi
http://www.adnkronos.com/IGN/Assets/Imgs/G/guidi_federica_adn--400x300.jpg

Angela
14-04-14, 22:46
Women of the Italian cabinet continued...

Roberta Pinotti
http://image.nanopress.it/politica24/fotogallery/625X0/12011/roberta-pinotti-in-tv.jpg

Federica Mogherini
http://www.ilpost.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/AP805933986415.jpg

Beatrice Lorenzin
http://aws.imagelinenetwork.com/agronotizie/materiali/ArticoliImg/lorenzin-beatrice-ministro-salute-750x562.jpeg

Maria Carmela Lanzetta
http://www.noidonne.org/files/articoli_rete/g/02941.jpg

Sile
14-04-14, 22:52
Morenzin ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatrice_Lorenzin

Angela
14-04-14, 22:59
Cont'd
Maria Elena Boschi
http://static.8100.corriereobjects.it/ssi/contents/politica/dettaglio-rappresentanti/immagini/686698.jpg

Echetlaeus
15-04-14, 00:43
Marianna Madia is very "Renaissance" like. I have to admit though that she seems to be a strict character.

P.S.1 Does this ranking represent your likeness for these women?
P.S.2 Why are they fighting in this video. Sorry, I do not know Italian ...
BTW, does the title mean "Cacciari vs. Madia: A Colossal Prostitute" ? And generally why do I see so many negative comments on youtube about her?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_SAD_lrKds

oriental
15-04-14, 20:40
Nice set of teeth!:laughing::laughing::laughing:

oriental
15-04-14, 20:41
Cont'd
Maria Elena Boschi
http://static.8100.corriereobjects.it/ssi/contents/politica/dettaglio-rappresentanti/immagini/686698.jpg

Nice set of teeth!

Sile
15-04-14, 23:01
Marianna Madia is very "Renaissance" like. I have to admit though that she seems to be a strict character.

P.S.1 Does this ranking represent your likeness for these women?
P.S.2 Why are they fighting in this video. Sorry, I do not know Italian ...
BTW, does the title mean "Cacciari vs. Madia: A Colossal Prostitute" ? And generally why do I see so many negative comments on youtube about her?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_SAD_lrKds

origins of Madia are southern Italian
Lorenzin is Veneto
Pinotti is Lombard
Guidi and Boschi are either Tuscan or Emilian
others I am unsure

Angela
17-04-14, 06:40
Actually, the regional connection for half of them is Toscana.

Lorenzin's father is from the Veneto, but her mother is from Firenze. Giannini is Tuscan, from Lucca. (The name is also very common in La Spezia.) Boschi is also Tuscan, from Arezzo. Mogherini is Roman born and bred, but both her parents were Tuscan, and coincidentally, also from Arezzo. Madia is Calabrese, although born and bred in Rome, but she did university work in Lucca. Of the remaining three, Guidi is Emilian, of a prominent family from Modena. Pinotti is Genova born and bred and the name is common not only there but in Emilia as well as in Lombardia. Lanzetta is from Calabria, and I don't know of any Tuscan connection at all.

Unfortunate that this clip of the vulgarities of that ignorant, maleducato, ridiculous Cacciari should have been posted. He's one of those dinosaurs of the Italian political system whom I find so impossible to explain to my American friends and colleagues. A nativist of the Veneto who is at the same time a Marxist professor of philosophy. If any North Americans are reading this, try to imagine someone who is both a Communist and a member of the Know Nothing Party, who then builds a bridge to nowhere wasting millions of taxpayer dollars so he can build a monument to his own ego and pay off all his cronies. This is why I despair of Italian politics. You can't make this stuff up.

As for Madia, again,for any foreigners reading this, she's a specialist in labor issues, so at least her Phd has some connection to her duties. She attracts controversy because she advocates changes to the insane Italian employment laws which make it impossible to fire people or to hire part time workers. Her crime is to want to bring these practices in line with those of northern social democracies like Denmark, which would still leave these laws far from what we have in North America. Even that is enough to make some sections of the Italian political class and electorate foam at the mouth. She also supports the notion, horror of horrors, that under certain circumstances, the children of legal immigrants should get the right to Italian citizenship.

If I were going to list them in order of whom I admire, Madia would be near the top of the list, both for her 'tough' views, and for her toughness under fire. However, I think I might have to put Lanzetta first. Taking on the 'ndrangeta in Calabria itself requires a brand of courage, physical and moral, which makes anyone extraordinary in my book.

Engel
17-04-14, 07:14
Stefania, Beatrice and Maria elena are quite pretty

Angela
19-04-14, 04:58
These are some other women in Italian political life. The following are all members of the pdl party.


Lara Comi...Lombardia
http://www.italiapost.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/lc.jpg

Mara Carfagna...Napoli
http://images.davidemaggio.it/pics3/2012/03/costa2.jpg

Barbara Matera, Puglia
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n02cdHfd6PA/Swa-QDrjyUI/AAAAAAAAAEw/qnxiU_h2Hd4/s1600/barbara-matera-316727521.jpg



Stefania Prestigiacomo, Siracusa, Sicilia
http://www.unionesarda.it/foto/previewfoto/2012/09/29/prestigiacomo_pronta_a_lasciare_il_pdl_sono_disgus tata_e_sconcertata_da_tutt-0-0-348028.jpg

Angela
19-04-14, 06:33
Some from the PD party:

Pina Picierno...Caserta, Campania
http://www.affaritaliani.it/static/upl/pin/0000/pina-picierno4.jpg

Alessandra Moretti...Vicenza, Veneto
http://biografieonline.it/img/bio/Alessandra_Moretti_3.jpg

Alessia Mosca...Lombardia
http://www.associazione360.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/foto-mosca.jpg

Debora Serracchiani, born in Rome, but in Udine, so I don't know...
http://www.enjoint.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/debora-serracchiani.jpg

Echetlaeus
19-04-14, 07:51
Hmm, Barbara, beloved! Quelle finesse! Those eyes, those lips ...
Poems can be written, men would die in front of your doorsteps ...

Oh, thou my goddess, lead me to my salvation,
Oh Beatrice, I crave for a caring look of yours.

Angela why do you do that to me? Don't you know, Easter is coming :ashamed2:. We must not have our mind into "these kind of stuff" during these holy days ...

joeyc
20-04-14, 13:34
Troie di merda.

90% of Italian politicians should be killed with fire.

Fire Haired14
21-04-14, 20:54
Why do all women want to have blonde hair and blue eyes, the majority are fakes. Why does Italy allow women to be government leaders? They are just want to be men.

julia90
21-04-14, 21:02
Troie di merda.

90% of Italian politicians should be killed with fire.


I wouldn't think you were such a Misogine. Sommo, right? :)

Angela
21-04-14, 21:46
Why do all women want to have blonde hair and blue eyes, the majority are fakes. Why does Italy allow women to be government leaders? They are just want to be men.

I don't know...maybe the northern Europeans who settled North America and whose standards of beauty affected the Hollywood film makers explains some of it. Does the term racism ring a bell?

Or, if you want to know my personal take on it, and even if you don't, perhaps there's a conspiracy of hair dressers around the world, in cahoots with the manufacturers of hair bleach, who indoctrinate women into believing that once they start to go grey they should lighten their hair because it's too much work trying to cover grey roots, and besides lighter hair provides less contrast and so wrinkles aren't as apparent. That's actually one conspiracy theory to which I'm very partial. I have so far resisted.

And for your information the vast majority of the women in this thread with highlighted hair were probably blonde as children and teens. It's very common in northern Italy. When blonde hair darkens it usually turns a very boring sandy or mouse brown color; not very attractive. It's very common to want to get a prettier color. As for the older women, one of the Tuscans has white hair which has had a toner applied to it, which also happens quite frequently. There, a lesson in women's hair grooming for you.

As to your sexist comment about women in government, it hardly appears to me that you have turned over a new leaf. Are we to be treated next to a tirade about the Jews?

Considering the absolute mess that men have made, I think it's about time we have a go. We certainly can't do worse.

julia90
22-04-14, 01:35
I agree with angela; the women who highlight their hair here.. it,s because their natural hair color is an unactractive mousy light brown or dark-mousy blonde...
Here as people get older the tendency is to dye hair in light colors.. because..light colors makes people look younger.. and because black hair or dark brown hair doesn't feet all the women...

Also those italian women with black hair are 80% or more BOTTLED-black haired... natural black hair are uncommon in italy.. those who dye their hair black have naturally dark brown hair or medium brown... because a shiny black is more noticeable than a dark brown..
And even many brown haired women put lighter meshes in their hair.. because if you have fair skin and brown or dark brown hair..black hair color dying doesn't fit you..and looks unnatural

Angela
22-04-14, 02:13
And even many brown haired women put lighter meshes in their hair.. because if you have fair skin and brown or dark brown hair..black hair color dying doesn't fit you..and looks unnatural


Well thanks a lot.

Another one who is telling me my natural coloring is unnatural. :laughing:

I've always been rather fond of my combination of pigmentation traits. Comes in very handy for Halloween parties too. I don't have to do too much to go as...

Snow White...
http://cdnvideo.dolimg.com/cdn_assets/bd2059d0064cdaa46fc888fc166e426587d84854.jpg



Or Morticia...
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/b7/6a/02b76a4b71e8a9c91e7cff082687521a.jpg



When I get older and let my hair go partly white, I'm going to go as Cruella De Ville...
http://www.sassmouthmama.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/de-vil-glenn-close-as-cruella-de-vil-32505070-500-336.jpg

Julia, I'm just teasing...

Echetlaeus
22-04-14, 02:16
Reminder to the females in this forum: Should we care that much about the hair colour? I think not ... But it is an axiom that we prefer real blonde women, ceteris paribus. I dunno why, it's in the genes I suppose (I call it the "Helen of Troy Syndrome")

BTW I saw the " Blue is the warmest colour " and one of the protagonists had light blue hair in the beginning, but who really cares? Right?

Angela
22-04-14, 02:33
Reminder to the females in this forum: Should we care that much about the hair colour? I think not ...

BTW I saw the " Blue is the warmest colour " and one of the protagonists had light blue hair in the beginning, but who really cares? Right?

We're not the ones obsessed with hair and skin and eye pigmentation in Europeans. In fact, I think we treat the whole topic with the lack of seriousness which it deserves. If you have a problem with too many posts being dedicated to how Europeans acquired those apparently beloved light pigmentation traits, I suggest you take it up with the appropriate posters or the administrators of the site. Trust me, it will go on for days, so you will have plenty of time to register your feelings about it.

You like to skate along the edge, don't you? Of course, people who do that fall off so often, don't they?

Just a word to the wise...in the States the kind of sexually laden allusions for which you seem to have a predilection when conversing with women could get you charged with sexual harassment. Believe me, I've seen it happen. Also, in my opinion, men who can't argue with women without resorting to this kind of behavior...well, I'll let your imagination fill in the blanks.

Fire Haired14
22-04-14, 02:34
I don't know...maybe the northern Europeans who settled North America and whose standards of beauty affected the Hollywood film makers explains some of it. Does the term racism ring a bell? Or, if you want to know my personal take on it, and even if you don't, perhaps there's a conspiracy of hair dressers around the world, in cahoots with the manufacturers of hair bleach, who indoctrinate women into believing that once they start to go grey they should lighten their hair because it's too much work trying to cover grey roots, and besides lighter hair provides less contrast and so wrinkles aren't as apparent. That's actually one conspiracy theory to which I'm very partial. I have so far resisted. And for your information the vast majority of the women in this thread with highlighted hair were probably blonde as children and teens. It's very common in northern Italy. When blonde hair darkens it usually turns a very boring sandy or mouse brown color; not very attractive. It's very common to want to get a prettier color. As for the older women, one of the Tuscans has white hair which has had a toner applied to it, which also happens quite frequently. There, a lesson in women's hair grooming for you. As to your sexist comment about women in government, it hardly appears to me that you have turned over a new leaf. Are we to be treated next to a tirade about the Jews?Considering the absolute mess that men have made, I think it's about time we have a go. We certainly can't do worse.I knew it your a woman!!!!!!! Only women would know about the hair dresser stuff, and you don't understand that "prettier" or more professional hair does not always make a woman more attractive. Plus, a man would not be so aggressive towards a sexiest comment, and claim men have made a complete mess. My comment was a meant to get people who hate sexism angry.

Angela
22-04-14, 02:40
I knew it your a woman!!!!!!! Only women would know about the hair dresser stuff, and you don't understand that "prettier" or more professional hair does not always make a woman more attractive. Plus, a man would not be so aggressive towards a sexiest comment, and claim men have made a complete mess.

How long have you been on here? Of course I'm a woman. Why would I hide it? :rolleyes2:


My comment was a meant to get people who hate sexism angry.

You succeeded.

Echetlaeus
22-04-14, 02:41
We're not the ones obsessed with hair and skin and eye pigmentation in Europeans. In fact, I think we treat the whole topic with the lack of seriousness which it deserves. If you have a problem with too many posts being dedicated to how Europeans acquired those apparently beloved light pigmentation traits, I suggest you take it up with the appropriate posters or the administrators of the site. Trust me, it will go on for days, so you will have plenty of time to register your feelings about it.

You like to skate along the edge, don't you? Of course, people who do that fall off so often, don't they?

Just a word to the wise...in the States the kind of sexually laden allusions for which you seem to have a predilection when conversing with women could get you charged with sexual harassment. Believe me, I've seen it happen. Also, in my opinion, men who can't argue with women without resorting to this kind of behavior...well, I'll let your imagination fill in the blanks.

OMG Angela, what did I say and made you furious against me once again? Why can I be charged with sexual harassment? Did I say something against you?


You like to skate along the edge, don't you?

What do you mean by this? I need to know in great detail --- why did you use this idiom --- because I do not simply understand, alright?

In my country I tend to talk like that to my female friends, and none has a problem. I do not find it offensive to express myself in a direct and crystal-clear way. After all I not a politician. I do not know if this is some kind of US perversion/idiosyncrasy due to the puritanism of the society, which is totally hypocritical of course, should someone see the industry about these matters, and voila USA is the first country producing these kind of adult movies. So stop judging me in this unfair manner, for I have not offended you whatsoever :angry:


without resorting to this kind of behavior
What's that now, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? What kind of behaviour?

joeyc
22-04-14, 10:38
Fire Haired, my half Hispanic Puerto Rican friend with an OWD.

Do you really must pollute every thread with your racial and sexual insecurities???

This thread is about Politics. There are other places where you can talk about pigmentation and sexism. Thanks.

Engel
22-04-14, 11:19
Lara Comi and Aleyssa are both pretty

Engel
22-04-14, 11:32
Italian and greek humour at its best or shall I say
lack of understanding of the English language.
All greeks raise their hands pl. Good now go read moby dick.

joeyc
22-04-14, 12:03
Our new Premier is a very young man. Now also the members of the Cabinet are young and female. Good.

Let's hope they will change something.


I wouldn't think you were such a Misogine. Sommo, right? :)

No I am not Sommo. Anyway Chiara from Cagliari, why do you still have the "Tuscan" label in your profile?

Echetlaeus
22-04-14, 13:32
Italian and greek humour at its best or shall I say
lack of understanding of the English language.
All greeks raise their hands pl. Good now go read moby dick.

No offense but, ...
Why don't you make like a tree and leave breh? Are you calling me uneducated? Bro, I have finished high school ...

And how many languages do you know btw, apart from 'Murican, there in the South?

bicicleur
22-04-14, 15:07
Hmm, Barbara, beloved! Quelle finesse! Those eyes, those lips ...
Poems can be written, men would die in front of your doorsteps ...

Oh, thou my goddess, lead me to my salvation,
Oh Beatrice, I crave for a caring look of yours.

Angela why do you do that to me? Don't you know, Easter is coming :ashamed2:. We must not have our mind into "these kind of stuff" during these holy days ...

you're supposed to cast your vote according to the conviction you have in your head
not according to what happens to your penis

life is confusing sometimes

Echetlaeus
22-04-14, 15:24
you're supposed to cast your vote according to the conviction you have in your head
not according to what happens to your penis

life is confusing sometimes

Are you a bro or broette?

julia90
23-04-14, 00:19
Because i'm tuscan.. i don't know why you assumed i were sardinean...???
And you are so...yes you are Sommo :)

Fire Haired14
23-04-14, 04:07
Fire Haired, my half Hispanic Puerto Rican friend with an OWD.Do you really must pollute every thread with your racial and sexual insecurities???This thread is about Politics. There are other places where you can talk about pigmentation and sexism. Thanks.When was race and sexuality ever mentioned? Those were not honest comments, they were just jokes. What did i mention about pigmentation, besides saying all those government ladies dye their hair? Furthermore, why did you take ideas and phrases i used in my apologies to Eupedia? What is so bad about discussing pigmentation? Studying human history and genetics is going to at times seem racially controversial, and just because your not afraid to talk about it does not make you a raciest.