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Echetlaeus, you should take a DNA test.
Greeks are not a homogeneous people historically. They have absorbed Macedonians, Epirus and Thracians that were different people, that spoke according to Greek historians of antiquity spoke different languages. Having said that makes very little sense to average out all this melange of people, and call them Greeks and look for their brothers. Today's northern geeks which corresponds with macedonians and Epirots of antiquity are genetically close to Albanians. R1b, I, R1a, J2b and EV13. The real Greeks or Hellenes are in south and central part of the country.They cluster Heavy in J2a, a lot G,T, J1, moderately in R1b. Today's greek population has about 3 milion people of Albanian heritage, or namely Arvanites. They have been there since 11 century ad invited by greek landlords of Bizaantine empire to work in fields and help them protect their possession from other Greek landlords of that time. Hopefully the recent Albanian emigrants will come back home. Seen from that angle since there are 3 to four million of real Albanians then of course ewe are half brothers.Echetlaeus, you should take a DNA test.
Unless you don't know where Albania is.And I don't understand why someone " no-gooded " this thread. I just showed a picture indicating a characteristic that does not show the same patterns with other European countries.
Unless you don't know where Albania is.
Greeks are not a homogeneous people historically. They have absorbed Macedonians, Epirus and Thracians that were different people, that spoke according to Greek historians of antiquity spoke different languages. Having said that makes very little sense to average out all this melange of people, and call them Greeks and look for their brothers. Today's northern geeks which corresponds with macedonians and Epirots of antiquity are genetically close to Albanians. R1b, I, R1a, J2b and EV13. The real Greeks or Hellenes are in south and central part of the country.They cluster Heavy in J2a, a lot G,T, J1, moderately in R1b. Today's greek population has about 3 milion people of Albanian heritage, or namely Arvanites. They have been there since 11 century ad invited by greek landlords of Bizaantine empire to work in fields and help them protect their possession from other Greek landlords of that time. Hopefully the recent Albanian emigrants will come back home. Seen from that angle since there are 3 to four million of real Albanians then of course ewe are half brothers.
Here are the haplogroups of Early Farmers:
Full of brothers and cousins, even up north.
Here is full genome (autosomal) relation map:
On all the maps your brothers are Albanians and Slavic Macedonia. Your cousins are Bulgarians, Romanians, West Turks, and South Italy.
Are you getting creative to find any excuse not to have a brother? I think you don't want to have a brother, to be unique and special. That what you think about Greece and being proud Greek.That was Greece in the past. Albania is half-green also. Southern Albanians are different from the Northern ones + plus Kossovars.
First of all Turks are not from Mongolia.Makes sense, due to old colonies and Byzantine Empire.
Turks are not our bros, they came from Mongolia. What you see nowadays in Turkey is a mix.
Are you getting creative to find any excuse not to have a brother? I think you don't want to have a brother, to be unique and special. That what you think about Greece and being proud Greek.
Now get off your high romantic horse and smell the real life.
This map is based on people not borders of Greece, past or present. These maps show that closest genetic relation (the brothers) are Albanians and Slavic Macedonians, either you like it or not. Science doesn't care about your agendas.
First of all Turks are not from Mongolia.
Secondly, only about 10% is Turkic mixed 90% existing old population of Anatolia. That's why they are still strongly related to Greeks.
If you had a genetic brother who was adopted by Albanian family, and speaks only Albanian now. Wouldn't he still be your brother?But we do not speak the same language, we do not share the same civilization. Can we be bros, w/o those?
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