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Goga
22-03-15, 04:06
I'm, my people are PKK and we will be ALWAYS PKK as long as we do exist! The only Kurds we trust. They saved us from a total GENOCIDE comitted by Sunni Muslim DAESH = Sunni Muslim Turks, Arabs (Sunni Semites) and Sunni Muslim Kurds (Barzani & Peshmerga). PKK = REAL Kurds! PKK fights for liberation of Great Kurdistan, for ALL parts of Kurdistan! It's a PAN-Kurdistan organization.

If you're interested in the current Northern Kurdistan politics and PKK this is a must watch interview (in Turkish, with English subs) with PKK leader Cemil Bayık, very recent! Northen Kuridistan (Bakur) is the biggest and the most important part of Kurdistan with the biggest population of Kurds!


Cemil Bayık: Kurds cannot be ruled from Ankara anymore


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ywiwl3oEpE&feature=youtu.be

skaheen15
22-03-15, 06:49
I'm, my people are PKK and we will be ALWAYS PKK as long as we do exist! The only Kurds we trust. They saved us from a total GENOCIDE comitted by Sunni Muslim DAESH = Sunni Muslim Turks, Arabs (Sunni Semites) and Sunni Muslim Kurds (Barzani & Peshmerga). PKK = REAL Kurds! PKK fights for liberation of Great Kurdistan, for ALL parts of Kurdistan! It's a PAN-Kurdistan organization.

If you're interested in the current Northern Kurdistan politics and PKK this is a must watch interview (in Turkish, with English subs) with PKK leader Cemil Bayık, very recent! Northen Kuridistan (Bakur) is the biggest and the most important part of Kurdistan with the biggest population of Kurds!


Cemil Bayık: Kurds cannot be ruled from Ankara anymore


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ywiwl3oEpE&feature=youtu.be

So, have you fought?

Goga
22-03-15, 07:21
So, have you fought?No. I'm fulfilling my duty for Kurdish race my own way. Not with fighting, I'm not a warrior/soldier, I can't fight. I've very close family members who are very high ranked within the party. I hope I will go to my ancestral homeland forever in the near future and can help with rebuilding Kurdistan (society)!

LeBrok
22-03-15, 19:16
Am I lying when I write that Sunni Muslim terrorist suicidal genocidal subhuman DAESH monkeys don't want to evolve, don't want to change? They want to live in accordance to what is written 1000 years ago. They want for ever to stay in the year of 1000 AD because they can't handle the post-modern era. They don't have enough IQ for technology, computers, modern-day philosophy etc. They don't want to change and don't want to evolve. It's much easier for them to stay in the year 1000 AD and to live in accordance of some kind of old dated antique book written by an Arab from a desert! Then, they don't have to think... Hating others is not the way of modern world Goga. Your hatred to other races and religions is equal or exceeds the hatred of Daesh propaganda. Seams that your values are exactly like theirs, the only difference is being on other side of a barricade. Have a long look in the mirror.

Angela
22-03-15, 20:22
Hating others is not the way of modern world Goga. Your hatred to other races and religions is equal or exceeds the hatred of Daesh propaganda. Seams that your values are exactly like theirs, the only difference is being on other side of a barricade. Have a long look in the mirror.

This is what makes crafting a foreign policy for the Middle East such a nightmare. How do you insure that the people you support won't turn out to be just as bad as the ones you replace?

LeBrok
23-03-15, 00:16
This is what makes crafting a foreign policy for the Middle East such a nightmare. How do you insure that the people you support won't turn out to be just as bad as the ones you replace?
Amen. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

In general sense, I could support anything that redraws Near Eastern map according to more natural borders like ethnicity or religion. Countries with ethnic borders tend to be more internally peaceful. For lack of "the others" to blame and kill for own misery. This is not the only way to the peace, but much faster than educating the whole nation about tolerance and inclusiveness, coupled with good economic growth. Especially in the age of rampant religious intolerance and hatred there.

Angela
23-03-15, 02:04
Amen. You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

In general sense, I could support anything that redraws Near Eastern map according to more natural borders like ethnicity or religion. Countries with ethnic borders tend to be more internally peaceful. For lack of "the others" to blame and kill for own misery. This is not the only way to the peace, but much faster than educating the whole nation about tolerance and inclusiveness, coupled with good economic growth. Especially in the age of rampant religious intolerance and hatred there.

I think that's true, but the result could be that if there are many small, weak states in the region, they're going to be gobbled up by Iran. Weakness invites aggression, especially in that part of the world. We could see, in our lifetimes, a new Persian Empire stretching all the way into the Levant. It remains to be seen how the Sunni Gulf countries are going to react to a large and powerful Shia hegemony over large parts of the Middle East.

Alan
23-03-15, 02:36
This is what makes crafting a foreign policy for the Middle East such a nightmare. How do you insure that the people you support won't turn out to be just as bad as the ones you replace?

Folks are you honestly still listening to what he writes? Do you believe Goga is in anyways representative to for the average Kurd. I mean look what he writes he wants to "destroy" all Muslim Kurds (Basically 80% of the populations). This guy is insane and I have stopped discussing with him.

LeBrok
23-03-15, 03:13
Folks are you honestly still listening to what he writes? Do you believe Goga is in anyways representative to for the average Kurd. I mean look what he writes he wants to "destroy" all Muslim Kurds (Basically 80% of the populations). This guy is insane and I have stopped discussing with him.
Don't worry Alan, we are experienced and old enough not to judge whole community by one person.

LeBrok
23-03-15, 03:42
I think that's true, but the result could be that if there are many small, weak states in the region, they're going to be gobbled up by Iran. Weakness invites aggression, especially in that part of the world. We could see, in our lifetimes, a new Persian Empire stretching all the way into the Levant. It remains to be seen how the Sunni Gulf countries are going to react to a large and powerful Shia hegemony over large parts of the Middle East.
Indeed, smaller countries are always vulnerable, that's why Bush was trying to leave Iraq intact, as a counter balance to Iran in the region. Though leaving Iraq intact made a strategic sense, it split in 3 parts anyway, after 10 messy years of trying to hold it together. The natural ethnic and religious differences (natural forcings) turned to be too much to resist.

The better way was to split it in 3, with quarantining protection over them of some coalition of countries, or even just US, against Iranian aggression. The way Kuwait was protected during Desert Storm. Iran was fighting Iraq for 10 with inconclusive ending to the war, coalition defeated Saddam in a week. Iran never was in a position to attack anyone who would have a guaranty of coalition protection. They were not crazy like Saddam, they would never dare.

The Shia part of Iraq, no mater what, would always have pro Iranian tendencies based on same religion. The Sunni country, having some peace and own government, possibly would resist IS forces. In current circumstances they let the IS to encroach into Iraq, as an ally against Shia persecution. Having their own country they wouldn't need IS for support, and maybe fighting them as foreign invaders. Things could have been different. Kurds by now should have been more organized giving them own country and shielded against corruption of Iraqi government.

Surly it was a very tough decision to split it and perhaps have to move some population around. It needed guts, combined with much more work at the beginning, and lots of political motivation. Bush had guts, but unfortunately lots of naive romanticism too. Giving Iraq democracy was supposed to solve all the problems.

Angela
23-03-15, 17:08
Indeed, smaller countries are always vulnerable, that's why Bush was trying to leave Iraq intact, as a counter balance to Iran in the region. Though leaving Iraq intact made a strategic sense, it split in 3 parts anyway, after 10 messy years of trying to hold it together. The natural ethnic and religious differences (natural forcings) turned to be too much to resist.

The better way was to split it in 3, with quarantining protection over them of some coalition of countries, or even just US, against Iranian aggression. The way Kuwait was protected during Desert Storm. Iran was fighting Iraq for 10 with inconclusive ending to the war, coalition defeated Saddam in a week. Iran never was in a position to attack anyone who would have a guaranty of coalition protection. They were not crazy like Saddam, they would never dare.

The Shia part of Iraq, no mater what, would always have pro Iranian tendencies based on same religion. The Sunni country, having some peace and own government, possibly would resist IS forces. In current circumstances they let the IS to encroach into Iraq, as an ally against Shia persecution. Having their own country they wouldn't need IS for support, and maybe fighting them as foreign invaders. Things could have been different. Kurds by now should have been more organized giving them own country and shielded against corruption of Iraqi government.

Surly it was a very tough decision to split it and perhaps have to move some population around. It needed guts, combined with much more work at the beginning, and lots of political motivation. Bush had guts, but unfortunately lots of naive romanticism too. Giving Iraq democracy was supposed to solve all the problems.

Perhaps I would call it "idealism", but I take your point.http://cdn.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/smile.gif It's a not uncommon affliction among American presidents. Wilson is a good case study both of such presidential (and American) idealism and of the dangers inherent in assuming that if you give people of a certain ethnicity (however that's defined) their own nation, they'll make good use of their freedom, and there will be peace and stability in the region. Look at how well the League of Nations turned out, or look at what happened in the Balkans since World War I and the craze for "self-determination".

As for a coalition force to maintain "order" in Iraq and to offset Iranian hegemony, at the time the local "players" wanted no part of it, although they seem to be having second thoughts now. Such coalitions are also usually a mirage, in my opinion. Most of the European powers are always long on talk and short on money and manpower. The Gulf States are always playing a double game. There's also the fact that no matter what foreigners may think, there's no appetite among most Americans for acting as the world's policeman for long periods of time. There is no understanding of the strong streak of isolationism in American history, a desire for isolation from the ethnic and religious conflicts of the "old world" which is alive and well in American life and politics.

More and more I am thinking that it's really only countries that are the product of what used to be called "Western Civilization", countries that were part of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, who are capable of true self government and a liberal (in the classical sense) society that prizes personal liberty. Or is that Euro-centric of me? http://cdn.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/smile.gif

LeBrok
23-03-15, 18:22
Perhaps I would call it "idealism", but I take your point.http://cdn.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/smile.gif It's a not uncommon affliction among American presidents. Wilson is a good case study both of such presidential (and American) idealism and of the dangers inherent in assuming that if you give people of a certain ethnicity (however that's defined) their own nation, they'll make good use of their freedom, and there will be peace and stability in the region. Look at how well the League of Nations turned out, or look at what happened in the Balkans since World War I and the craze for "self-determination".
Balkans, the former Yugoslavia and civil war, is a prime example, that in hard times the separation of ethnicity and religions is a good thing to do. When regimes of Soviet Block collapsed there were no domestic wars in Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Check republic. These countries had monolithic populations, at least great majority of one ethnicity, language and one religion. A present from Stalin's ethnic engineering.
However Yugoslavia was a multi-ethnic construct. It was held together by Tito and communist party dictatorship. Once the overlord was gone the hell broke loose. Yugoslavia broke into 3 major parts with 3 distinct religions; Catholic Croats, Muslim Bosniaks, and Orthodox Serbs. The rest of the story is well known. Genetically and linguistically they are like brothers, but nobody seamed to care about this back then.

Actually, on this base of Balkan recent history, I recognized the need of splitting Iraq shortly after Bush invasion, and learning few details about composition of Iraq's population.




As for a coalition force to maintain "order" in Iraq and to offset Iranian hegemony, at the time the local "players" wanted no part of it, although they seem to be having second thoughts now. Such coalitions are also usually a mirage, in my opinion. Most of the European powers are always long on talk and short on money and manpower. The Gulf States are always playing a double game. There's also the fact that no matter what foreigners may think, there's no appetite among most Americans for acting as the world's policeman for long periods of time. There is no understanding of the strong streak of isolationism in American history, a desire for isolation from the ethnic and religious conflicts of the "old world" which is alive and well in American life and politics.
Of course things are not very certain with promises and coalitions. In this case for smaller countries it is important to belong to more than one coalition, union or military pacts. I'm not sure, but could it be possible for these small Near Easter countries to join NATO?


More and more I am thinking that it's really only countries that are the product of what used to be called "Western Civilization", countries that were part of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, who are capable of true self government and a liberal (in the classical sense) society that prizes personal liberty. Or is that Euro-centric of me? http://cdn.eupedia.com/forum/images/smilies/main/smile.gif I'm sure it is not only European thing, and giving the right circumstances all countries will be democratic and society free and equal. As I mentioned in other threads, this is are basic Hunter Gatherer instinct, the natural longings of human kind. We are coming back the full circle.
However, building a democratic free country is a long process. It is more like a process of liberalization, escaping and breaking the long traditions of hegemony, monarchy, old power circles, religions supporting old order, patriarchal traditions, etc. It took Europe pretty much a half of millennium. From Renaissance, laying down ideas of modern society, to end of 20th century, when finally the democracy and freedoms for all were locked in stable countries. This after a huge straggle with tyrants, hyper nationalism, racism and communism of First, Second and Cold Wars. Steady economic growth which enriched middle class and even the poor, gave a helping hand too. Mind you that this process is still unfinished in some countries of Eastern Europe with Russia leading the pack.

For that reason, when I look at Near East, I can see the process of freedom and democratization starting now. It was a naive to expect good results immediately, but I don't think it will take them 500 years to achieve that. It will be a fast forward development thanks to the helping West, education, investments and faster growth. I would say two generation, 50 years, and things will stabilize for them too.

LeBrok
27-03-15, 05:18
What are you guys making out off situation in Yemen? Is it, as Saudi Arabia says, fight against Iran meddling in internal affairs of Yemen? Or Saudis invented this conspiracy to freely support Sunnis in fight against Shia in Yemen?

Are we for a great Arab religious war in Middle East?
It will depend on big players, if they keep their cool and only fight by their proxies, or they will go to war full blast against each other.

What a mess!
One positive is that the bigger the mess, the easier it is for Kurds to separate.

http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Yemen_Ethno_Religious_summary_lg.png

LeBrok
27-03-15, 05:29
Religious situation in whole Middle East
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Mid_East_Religion_sm.png



Thanks to a great depository of maps for this region:
http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml

EBlack
30-03-15, 23:29
Oh thanks god, "finaly" he got banned.

John Doe
31-03-15, 08:19
Oh thanks god, "finaly" he got banned.
He may have been racist, but Kurdistan should be independent, if all the other 'independence' movements are to make sense.

Arame
31-03-15, 10:28
Kurds deserve an independent state.
Iraqi Kurdistan is de facto independent, they need just to have a de jure recognition and mark the borders. Armenia recently has started diplomatic relations wit Iraqi Kurdistan. So I hope we will have a direct fly from Yerevan to Erbil.
Syrian Kurdistan is also on the road to independence. Will they join Erbil or they will decide to be another state the time will show.

The biggest problem is in Turkey. Turkish nationalism is strong. If You read some turkish history books You will think that You are in a parallel universe. Turks can do everything if they feel that they are loosing control. 100 years ago Turkish government was in the same situation and they didn't hesitate to commit a full scale genocide of Armenians and other religious minorities.

Rethel
31-03-15, 12:45
If You read some turkish history books You will think that You are in a parallel universe.

I have heard some theories about that, and I can confirm.
I don't know, is this more bizzare than terrify...

EBlack
31-03-15, 19:37
He may have been racist, but Kurdistan should be independent, if all the other 'independence' movements are to make sense.

Did i say something against that? I was just wondering how forum admins can have a member like this at forum. I mean look at this comments he made..


Kurds deserve an independent state.
Iraqi Kurdistan is de facto independent, they need just to have a de jure recognition and mark the borders. Armenia recently has started diplomatic relations wit Iraqi Kurdistan. So I hope we will have a direct fly from Yerevan to Erbil.
Syrian Kurdistan is also on the road to independence. Will they join Erbil or they will decide to be another state the time will show.

The biggest problem is in Turkey. Turkish nationalism is strong. If You read some turkish history books You will think that You are in a parallel universe. Turks can do everything if they feel that they are loosing control. 100 years ago Turkish government was in the same situation and they didn't hesitate to commit a full scale genocide of Armenians and other religious minorities.

Do you know how big is Kuridstan they want? All East Turkey, Iran's north,Syria's north and Iraq's north. Does it make sense? I hope they gain their independence but not at Turkey. Sorry. Never gonna happen.

I never take serious some Armenian's though about Turkey. I know he will talk abot just genocide and i don't believe they are taking news about Turkey with looking neutral. There is a difference between history books and some mans thoughs about history. Like nationalism isn't live at your countries...

Probably you are talking about Ataturk's sentences like "If Turks look their history, they will gain power in theirselves to make better, bigger things" Don't worry, its not about world domination. ;)

Rethel
31-03-15, 19:58
I hope they gain their independence but not at Turkey. Sorry. Never gonna happen.

Sorry Eblack, but this is nearly oxymoron, what you just said... :rolleyes2:

It is something like: I hope Uygurs gain their independance but not at China. Sorry. Never gonna happen. :laughing:

On other words: I want them to be an independant nation, but I'll don't allow them.

Does it make any sense to you? :thinking:

Alan
31-03-15, 20:04
Didn't realize Goga was banned.

I kinda feel sorry for Goga. He was around for long time. But he couldn't control himself and had to see this coming.

EBlack
31-03-15, 20:25
Sorry Eblack, but this is nearly oxymoron, what you just said... :rolleyes2:

It is something like: I hope Uygurs gain their independance but not at China. Sorry. Never gonna happen. :laughing:

On other words: I want them to be an independant nation, but I'll don't allow them.

Does it make any sense to you? :thinking:

Not all Kurds at Turkey wants to live at their holy nations with "independence". I think not even more than half even.

Rethel
31-03-15, 20:31
Not all Kurds at Turkey wants to live at their holy nations with "independence". I think not even more than half even.

Could you explain why?

EBlack
31-03-15, 20:55
Could you explain why?

Some care, some not. Some care, more not.

Yetos
31-03-15, 21:28
Kurds deserve an independent state.
Iraqi Kurdistan is de facto independent, they need just to have a de jure recognition and mark the borders. Armenia recently has started diplomatic relations wit Iraqi Kurdistan. So I hope we will have a direct fly from Yerevan to Erbil.
Syrian Kurdistan is also on the road to independence. Will they join Erbil or they will decide to be another state the time will show.

The biggest problem is in Turkey. Turkish nationalism is strong. If You read some turkish history books You will think that You are in a parallel universe. Turks can do everything if they feel that they are loosing control. 100 years ago Turkish government was in the same situation and they didn't hesitate to commit a full scale genocide of Armenians and other religious minorities.

Turks claim Homer these days

LeBrok
01-04-15, 04:30
Do you know how big is Kuridstan they want? All East Turkey, Iran's north,Syria's north and Iraq's north. Does it make sense? I hope they gain their independence but not at Turkey. Sorry. Never gonna happen.

Never is a strong statement. What if IS/Daesh gains strength in Turkey and domestic war breaks out, like in Syria or Yemen? It is not my wish for it to happen, only a physical possibility in reality of the region.

LeBrok
01-04-15, 04:33
Didn't realize Goga was banned.

I kinda feel sorry for Goga. He was around for long time. But he couldn't control himself and had to see this coming.
IIRC, it is 3 months ban. He seams never do enough for a total one.

EBlack
01-04-15, 05:22
Never is a strong statement. What if IS/Daesh gains strength in Turkey and domestic war breaks out, like in Syria or Yemen? It is not my wish for it to happen, only a physical possibility in reality of the region.

Of course. We never know whats gonna happen next. I should fix like not gonna happen anytime soon. But i really don't think there will be "domectiic war" at Turkey like Syria or Yemen. People usualy underestimate Turkey or overestimate. Central authority is strong at Turkey. It's not gonna chance because some Kurds wants to be free now(im not saying at offensive way) . Maybe 100 years later when Turk population, just easily taken over by Kurdish population. It wouldn't be because of ISIS :)

Arame
01-04-15, 10:31
Do you know how big is Kuridstan they want? All East Turkey, Iran's north,Syria's north and Iraq's north. Does it make sense? I hope they gain their independence but not at Turkey. Sorry. Never gonna happen.

I never take serious some Armenian's though about Turkey. I know he will talk abot just genocide and i don't believe they are taking news about Turkey with looking neutral.

I am not neutral toward Turkey ( why should I be? ) I am realistic about Turkey.
Turkey has no any positive long term agenda in this region. Turkey has no ability to resolve any problem he just can frozen the problems, or create new problems. Even Iran being an Islamic state acted more responsibly about his demographic situation. Compare just the fertility rates of Iran and Turkey.
Turks criticize China but look there is Autonomous region of Uyghurs in China. Is there any Kurdish or Armenian autonomous region in Turkey? Non. Why Russia, Germany, Great Britain and many other states can have federative structure but not Turkey?

You are saying that Turkey is a stable state. But this is a illusion. Turkey was stable because USA dominated the Middle East and it was in USA interests to have stable region. Now that Obama declared that USA alone cannot anymore stabilize World and other nations should take responsibility we see how incapable are most of states in Middle East. And the one of biggest trouble maker is the Turkey in the region.

You don't need to wait 100 years . Just in the coming years You will see that Turkishness as ideology is not working as one must expect. All this genetic studies. All new information about the past will erode any basis for it, and more Kurds, more islamicized Armenians, Alevis, Zazakis will ask questions. So what's next? Is there an answer? I guess no.

Well Erdogan has an answer. More islamism, more burkas, more fancy theories about finding America before Columbus.

EBlack
01-04-15, 16:15
I am not neutral toward Turkey ( why should I be? ) I am realistic about Turkey.
Turkey has no any positive long term agenda in this region. Turkey has no ability to resolve any problem he just can frozen the problems, or create new problems. Even Iran being an Islamic state acted more responsibly about his demographic situation. Compare just the fertility rates of Iran and Turkey.
Turks criticize China but look there is Autonomous region of Uyghurs in China. Is there any Kurdish or Armenian autonomous region in Turkey? Non. Why Russia, Germany, Great Britain and many other states can have federative structure but not Turkey?

You are saying that Turkey is a stable state. But this is a illusion. Turkey was stable because USA dominated the Middle East and it was in USA interests to have stable region. Now that Obama declared that USA alone cannot anymore stabilize World and other nations should take responsibility we see how incapable are most of states in Middle East. And the one of biggest trouble maker is the Turkey in the region.




I don't remember i said something to make you write this.

Rethel
01-04-15, 16:31
finding America before Columbus.

Really?:petrified:
The Empire couldn't establish even one single colony in New World who was already
dicsoverd, so how they could find America on their own, before Europeans did? http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/027.gif

Goga
01-04-15, 19:16
Hating others is not the way of modern world Goga. Your hatred to other races and religions is equal or exceeds the hatred of Daesh propaganda. Seams that your values are exactly like theirs, the only difference is being on other side of a barricade. Have a long look in the mirror.
Are you serious? What are you talking about? You should talk about love & hatred to those who were attacked by Sunni Muslims at 9/11. Americans got their revenge after they attacked Iraq, Afghanistan and killed Bin Laden. Sunni Muslims committed a genocide on my race. Why do Americans have a right to avenge themselves, while my people don't have any right to avenge themselves? And it's not of your business who I hate and who I love. But the fact is that my people deserve revenge against Sunni Muslims, like American after 9/11!

Goga
01-04-15, 19:19
Never is a strong statement. What if IS/Daesh gains strength in Turkey and domestic war breaks out, like in Syria or Yemen? It is not my wish for it to happen, only a physical possibility in reality of the region.It's not about religion and you know it. It's all about domination and power struggle.

Have you ever heard of millennia old ancient biblical prophecy of 'the return of the Medes'? Well, Kurds are the Medes. The Medes and Persians were closely related to each other. Even today after 2500 years, there are close genetic ties between Kurds and Persians. We are the closest races to each other, because of our ancient Iranic connection.

What I want to say is that Turkey is going down. Economy in Turkey is in bad shape and getting worse every day. Turkish war on Kurds costs lots of money, very soon Turks will have no money. In a very near future it's over with Turkey.
Such a great superpower like USSR was finished because of economy. Turkey is not even close to how powerful the USSR was.

Persia on the other had is getting more powerful. After Sunni Muslim Daesh attack of the Ezdi Kurds, Persia was the first country that helped the Ezdi Kurds. My people work together with the Persians. Little by little my race and Persian race are growing toward each other. Kurds and Persians together are unstoppable. We both are 'Iranic' people, and we have common enemies who are against our race. It has nothing to do with a religion. so we have to work with each other. And you like it or not, Persia is helping their brother race in Kurdistan!

The 'return of the Medes' (Kurds & Persians) is a reality now!

Goga
01-04-15, 19:28
IIRC, it is 3 months ban. He seams never do enough for a total one.You really enjoy banning me, don't you? You banned me for so much times that you forget how long my ban was this time. It was 2 weeks and not 3 months...

Goga
01-04-15, 19:32
After the WW1 Turkey was given a chance to assimilate and destroy Kurdish race in Northern Kurdistan. For 100 years Turks could do whatever they want in Kurdistan. There were much, much less Kurds 100 years ago than now. Turkey couldn't even defeat just a few million Kurds for all these years they had carte blanche. Turks FAILED miserably and Turkey lost its chance to defeat the Kurds. Kurdish population is nowadays much bigger now, how do you think Turkey can defeat Kurds right now, when there are millions of us? Time is on our (Kurdish) side. Turkey couldn't defeat 5 million Kurds 100 years ago, today there are 50 million Kurds. Mark my words, Turkey is finished. Iranic people: Persians and Kurds (the Medes) are becoming dominant again in the Middle East! It's our homeland and we are the rightful owners of our land...

EBlack
01-04-15, 20:07
Are you serious? What are you talking about? You should talk about love & hatred to those who were attacked by Sunni Muslims at 9/11. Americans got their revenge after they attacked Iraq, Afghanistan and killed Bin Laden. Sunni Muslims committed a genocide on my race. Why do Americans have a right to avenge themselves, while my people don't have any right to avenge themselves? And it's not of your business who I hate and who I love. But the fact is that my people deserve revenge against Sunni Muslims, like American after 9/11!

Yeyeyeye kill all the monkey blablablablab Kurds anyway. Its not your business who i hate or who i love right?

7184 Oh, you are not even British. Yet, i am really wondering what makes you think your people are better than sunni muslims?

https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=kurdish+people&client=opera&hs=lcj&biw=1280&bih=851&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=BzMcVZSpIMGRsgG-h4PoAg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=k%C3%BCrt+erke%C4%9Fi

MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY EHEHEHEHEHE MONKEY????

I'm sure i will get ban for like 100000 years for this. I won't be suprised.

Rethel
01-04-15, 21:11
Have you ever heard of millennia old ancient biblical prophecy of 'the return of the Medes'?

Which prophesies you exactly have in mind?

p.s. biblical Medes are descendats of Japheth - not everyone of kurdish so called nationality is
indoeuropean descent by paternal line. So, your refrence automatically divided your "nation"
between real Kurds and not real. So how many of you are japhetic descendants? Or of Madai?

As I see, you are!http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/041.gif

Rethel
01-04-15, 21:21
And you like it or not, Persia is helping their brother race in Kurdistan!

I don't think that they are helping you because they're feeling some fraternal love.
They rather are helping you because of political purpose. Besides, Iran doesn't seem
to be a persian country on the first place. They are Shias and this means, that after
(if of course) with your help they defited Turkey and Arabia, they start to exterminate
every sunni and yazydi Kurds who they find. So, I wouldn't be so happy on your place.
And do you really belive, that Great Persia will allow independent Kurdistan to exists? http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/036.gif

EBlack
01-04-15, 21:29
It's not about religion and you know it. It's all about domination and power struggle.

What I want to say is that Turkey is going down. Economy in Turkey is in bad shape and getting worse every day. Turkish war on Kurds costs lots of money, very soon Turks will have no money. In a very near future it's over with Turkey.


Such propaganda. Just lmao. I'm done. xD

Goga
01-04-15, 21:39
Which prophesies you exactly have in mind?

p.s. biblical Medes are descendats of Japheth - not everyone of kurdish so called nationality is
indoeuropean descent by paternal line. So, your refrence automatically divided your "nation"
between real Kurds and not real. So how many of you are japhetic descendants? Or of Madai?

As I see, you are!http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/041.gif"See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children. Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians’ pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. (Isaiah13:17-20)"

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/


And what are you talking about that not all Kurds are 'IndoEuropean'? Native language of Kurds is Kurdish. Kurdish is a NorthWestern Iranic language. Those who speak Kurdish language as their NATIVE language are Kurds, Iranic people, descendants of the Medes. Kurds are direct descendants of the Medes. The Medes belonged to the same Y-DNA haplogroups as the most modern-day Kurds do belong to. In the ancient times the Medes and Persians were kinsmen, even today Kurds and Iranians are very closely related to each other, even after 2500 years being separated. Our language isthe same, our DNA is the same, our culture is the same ,etc.


Kurds are Iranic people, because Kurdish (Iranic) is our native language. We speak the same language as our ancestors the Medes.


Also, I see you’re from Poland. Most paternal Y-DNA lineages in Poland, like N1c1, I, R1a-Z283 are not 'Indo-European'. People in NorthEast Europe got IndoEuropized very recently as one of the last hunter & gatherers. Still Polish people speak a Slavic language, which is 'Indo-European'. Polish people are 'Indo-European' people because they speak a Slavic language as their native language and not beacuse of their race or Y-DNA lineages...

Goga
01-04-15, 21:46
I don't think that they are helping you because they're feeling some fraternal love.
They rather are helping you because of political purpose. Besides, Iran doesn't seem
to be a persian country on the first place. They are Shias and this means, that after
(if of course) with your help they defited Turkey and Arabia, they start to exterminate
every sunni and yazydi Kurds who they find. So, I wouldn't be so happy on your place.
And do you really belive, that Great Persia will allow independent Kurdistan to exists? http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/036.gif
Persians were the first country who assisted the Ezdi Kurds. Persians are helping my people, my race, my religion, to revenge ourselves for the GENOCIDE. It's the Persians who are assisting my people, my race in the most difficult times. We Kurds (the Medes) and Persians have common enemies: Sunni Turks and Sunni Arabs (Semites). Of course Persians have their own agenda, but at this moment our goals are the same. My people have our agenda too, we Kurds (the Medes) and Persians help each other in these difficult times!

Goga
01-04-15, 21:59
Such propaganda. Just lmao. I'm done. xD
I'm ignoring you because you don't speak Kurdish. Learn Kurdish first and then I'll speak to you. And are you already stared to learn my native language, Kurmanji Kurdish, the language of the mighty Medes, my direct ancestors? But I'm going to make an exception only for 1 time. Your deal with Barzani is finished, because Barzani is finished. You will not get cheap oil anymore from South Kurdistan. Second, from your own Turkish site:


" Turkish Lira under dollar pressure

Including the lira, the devaluation of local currencies of emerging countries against the dollar has not come to an end. With the interest rate increasing operations of the U.S. likely to startin the first quarter of 2015, the interest of foreign investors will be lost for countries such as Turkey. "

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-lira-under-dollar-pressure-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=76187&NewsCatID=344

Rethel
01-04-15, 22:03
"See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold. Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants nor will they look with compassion on children. Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians’ pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. (Isaiah13:17-20)"
http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/


But did you read, that they will be destroyed also, after Babylon? :laughing:


And what are you talking about that not all Kurds are IndoEuropean'?

Read again, what I wrote, because you didn't do this correctly.


Kurds are direct descendants of the Medes.

It is only in theory - very weak theory.


The Medes belonged to the same Y-DNA haplogroups as the most modern-day Kurds

So you are mixed people.

And where it is written to what haplogroups Medes were belonging?

Besides, to the same haplogroups as your people belong Turks also, and even Arabs... so, these kind of mish-mash doesn't proof anything.


do belong to. In the ancient times the Medes and Persians were kinsmen, even today Kurds and Iranians are very closely related to each other, even after 2500 years being separated. Our language isthe same, our DNA is the same, our culture is the same ,etc.

But they are shia state, and they will kill you all - everyone who is sunni or yazyd.


Kurds are Iranic people, because Kurdish (Iranic) is our native language. We speak the same language as our ancestors the Medes.

Really? :petrified:


Also, I see you’re from Poland. Most paternal Y-DNA lineages in Poland, like N1c1, I, R1a-Z283 are not 'Indo-European'. People in NorthEast Europe got IndoEuropized very recently as one of the last hunter & gatherers. Still Polish people speak a Slavic language, which is 'Indo-European'. Polish people are 'Indo-European' people because they speak a Slavic language as their native language and not beacuse of their race or Y-DNA lineages...

But it doesn't mean, that all are descendats of Japheth, or are Indoeuropeans in biblical sense.

Goga
01-04-15, 22:06
Very bad, bad ties are waiting for a failed terrorist state called Turkey. Economy of so called Turkey is going down. Technically speaking Turkey doesn't even exist as a country.



" Turkish Lira Keeps Sliding on Rate-Cut Worries "

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkish-lira-keeps-sliding-on-rate-cut-worries-1425404662

EBlack
01-04-15, 22:07
I'm ignoring you because you don't speak Kurdish. Learn Kurdish first and then I'll speak to you. And are you already stared to learn my native language, Kurmanji Kurdish, the language of the mighty Medes, my direct ancestors? But I'm going to make an exception only for 1 time. Your deal with Barzani is finished, because Barzani is finished. You will not get cheap oil anymore from South Kurdistan. Second, from your own Turkish site:


" Turkish Lira under dollar pressureIncluding the lira, the devaluation of local currencies of emerging countries against the dollar has not come to an end. With the interest rate increasing operations of the U.S. likely to startin the first quarter of 2015, the interest of foreign investors will be lost for countries such as Turkey. "

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-lira-under-dollar-pressure-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=76187&NewsCatID=344

Çave başe keko.

I know Turkish money is loosing value, but its not because of Kurdish war, be sure. There is no Kurdish war at Turkey for like 2 years...

Rethel
01-04-15, 22:11
Çave başe keko

Uga buga taniec brzucha... :laughing:

Goga
01-04-15, 22:25
But did you read, that they will be destroyed also, after Babylon? :laughing:

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Read again, what I wrote, because you didn't do this correctly.



It is only in theory - very weak theory.



So you are mixed people.

And where it is written to what haplogroups Medes were belonging?

Besides, to the same haplogroups as your people belong Turks also, and even Arabs... so, these kind of mish-mash doesn't proof anything.



But they are shia state, and they will kill you all - everyone who is sunni or yazyd.



Really? :petrified:



But it doesn't mean, that all are descendats of Japheth, or are Indoeuropeans in biblical sense.Just check that site. Iraq = Babylon. Babylon will be finished, so Iraq will be finished!




Also, with all due respect my friend, I don't really want to talk about Kurdish DNA anymore. I'm tired.

I mean, I have been following DNA studies for a while, and after all these years my thought are becoming more and more stronger, what I initially thought. All those DNA studies are confirming that Kurds are descendants from the Medes. I'm not going into details, because I described this already extensively in the past. I spend years talking about this.

Most importanti confirmation for me is that Kurds are different from Turks and very different from Arabs and other Semites and actually very closely related to other Iranic people in the neighborhood, like Persians, Ossetians, Gilaki, Talish, Mazadarani, etc. ALL these Iranic people are still very close to each other, what means that we have the same roots and that we aren't changed a lot for the last 2500 years.

Medes evolved in Kurdistan and they were descendants of the Mitanni. I believe that the Medes belonged mostly to the same haplogroups as Kurds, like J2a, R1a-Z93, R1b etc. They spoke the same NorthWest Iranic language as the Kurds. Also, their official language of their religion was Avestan and Avestan is very close to Kurdish.

I think that Kurds have for about roughly 10% of Semitic DNA in them, I gues it's from the Chaldeans (ancient Babylonians). Other 90% of our DNA is from the Medes and other Iranic people...

Rethel
01-04-15, 22:28
Demagogy...

Goga
01-04-15, 22:42
Çave başe keko.

I know Turkish money is loosing value, but its not because of Kurdish war, be sure. There is no Kurdish war at Turkey for like 2 years...So, you do actually know some kind of Kurdish words, lol. Respect!

What I mean is that Turkish economy is going down, and it will continue to go down very fast. Turkish economy and Turkish state are collapsing. Turkey can't afford a war against the Kurds. War costs money and Turkey doesn't have money. It's impossible for Turks to hold Kurdish pressure for a long time. It will implode from inside!

To fight the Kurds, Turks need weapons, to have weapons they need to buy them, but how will Turkey buy weapons if Turkish economy is collapsing like snow under the Kurdish SUN.

Like I said, time is on Kurdish side. Kurds are becoming more powerful day by day, while Turks and Turkey is becoming weaker and weaker.

Turkey and the Turks lost their most important battle in Kobani. PKK defeated Turkish Sunni terrorist DAESH soldiers and Turkish MIT secret service agents. Turkey gambled and lost. Turks hoped for a miracle and hoped that Sunni Arabs would help them. I mean your people are that desperate to ask help from the Sunni Arabs. Those who gambled on Sunni Arabs will lose, not only Turkey (, but also Israel). You can't rely on Arabs, Arabs can't fight and were NEVER known as fighters, warriors or strong people.

Turks hoped for a miracle that Sunni Islam would erase Kurdish identity/race. But this will never happen, as long as there are PKK (my people, my heroes), Rojava (Western Kurdistan, my people), Ezdi Kurds (my people, my religion) and the REAL Kurds in other parts of Kurdistan.

EBlack
01-04-15, 22:52
Ooookay. We will see whats going to happen next. Can'T wait to see how will rise your "might kurdish sun".

Goga
01-04-15, 23:03
Ooookay. We will see whats going to happen next. Can'T wait to see how will rise your "might kurdish sun".We live in very interesting times, almost Biblical. The world and the balance of power are reshaping. All what I know is that Persians are winning, Kurds are winning and this is what I like very much! Especially Rojava is our brightest star in Kurdistan. I'm very proud and very happy for my people, my brothers and sisters in Rojava! They earned it by fighting and giving their lives for that part of Kurdistan. You have to fight for you own freedom and Kurds are awaken and are fighting for their own homeland, their own destiny TILL THE END! I trust my people for 100%, because I know what kind of strength my people have. I know very well what my race is capable of, when I say that we, Kurds are children of the mighty Medes (who achieved everything they could), I don't say this for noting...

EBlack
02-04-15, 00:15
Every race has some kind of propaganda. Just wake up...

Rethel
02-04-15, 00:44
We live in very interesting times, almost Biblical.

Then if you belive so, why are you so exiting about kurdish potentialy power? Because, if we are living in biblical times,
then all Kurds (as well as Turks, Persians, and Arabs) will be dead soon - if they don't convert of course. In this case, it
doesn't matter who gain power in the Middle East for a short period of time. It won't help neither you, neither them.

Goga
02-04-15, 01:11
Then if you belive so, why are you so exiting about kurdish potentialy power? Because, if we are living in biblical times,
then all Kurds (as well as Turks, Persians, and Arabs) will be dead soon - if they don't convert of course. In this case, it
doesn't matter who gain power in the Middle East for a short period of time. It won't help neither you, neither them.Just read the link.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/ (http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/)


" Through the Kurds, the Medes have stepped out of history and onto the world stage once again, and another player in the End Times Scenario is taking its place. One day soon, the King of the Medes will again lead a vast army against Babylon, and this time her destruction will be complete, and the Lord's words will be fulfilled. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 10-11-14 "



Convert to which religion? Christianity? What do you mean? I'm not talking about ' GOG & MAGOG '. Bible prophecy I'm talking about is talking about the destruction of Babylon (Iraq) and the ' RETURN ' of the Medes. Not the destruction of the Medes. I don't mind if Kurds convert to Christianity. To me Christianity is much better than Sunni Islam. I've nothing against Christianity. I'm Ezdi Kurd (because both of my parents are Ezdi Kurds) and I'm even baptised in an Orthodox Church, so technically speaking I can call myself a Christian too (I was born in the USSR). But the point is that Christianity is NOT a Kurdish religion. It's not 'my' religion. It was not a religion of the Medes and other Iranic tribes. I don't care what my people want to believe in, I don't care what my father, brother, children want to believe in as long it is NOT Islam. But it would be great if Kurds come back to their own roots and start to believe in what our ancestors the Medes believed in. The ancient Medes and Persians were NOT Muslims nor Christians, they had their own ' Iranic ' religion, like me. My religion the Yezidism is an ancient ' Iranic ' religion, thousands and thousands of years old, true religion of the Medes!

Alan
02-04-15, 04:38
It's not about religion and you know it. It's all about domination and power struggle.

Have you ever heard of millennia old ancient biblical prophecy of 'the return of the Medes'? Well, Kurds are the Medes. The Medes and Persians were closely related to each other. Even today after 2500 years, there are close genetic ties between Kurds and Persians. We are the closest races to each other, because of our ancient Iranic connection.

What I want to say is that Turkey is going down. Economy in Turkey is in bad shape and getting worse every day. Turkish war on Kurds costs lots of money, very soon Turks will have no money. In a very near future it's over with Turkey.
Such a great superpower like USSR was finished because of economy. Turkey is not even close to how powerful the USSR was.

Persia on the other had is getting more powerful. After Sunni Muslim Daesh attack of the Ezdi Kurds, Persia was the first country that helped the Ezdi Kurds. My people work together with the Persians. Little by little my race and Persian race are growing toward each other. Kurds and Persians together are unstoppable. We both are 'Iranic' people, and we have common enemies who are against our race. It has nothing to do with a religion. so we have to work with each other. And you like it or not, Persia is helping their brother race in Kurdistan!

The 'return of the Medes' (Kurds & Persians) is a reality now!


Your "Persia" did a crap to help Yezidis. Have they send forces for help? Have they send any food or other material for the refugees? The only thing they did was order the Iraqi government to not pay Kurdistan budget so the refugees had even less to eat. Get down from your Persia love. Iran is the biggest enemy to Kurdish independence even before Turkey.


And the return of the Medes = Kurds& Persians? Since when are Persians Medes. Are you just trying to tro ll around here because I can't imagine how a person can be by all seriousness that confused.

Month ago I said these words. "Your love for Iran is sickening while the hang Kurds on daily basis". You answered with "No Iran is my enemy too".

And now you once again turned around your own words like a nutcase. But good that you proved that I was right. Your "Persia love" did not come up with the alleged(yeah sure) help of Iran for Yezidis, you had this atitude since years. You are a Pan Iranian/Aryan confused dude, who thinks because he has the same roots with Persian from few thousand years ago, they are his best friends.

Your "Persians" are nowadays Muslims and as radicals as the wahabis in Saudi Arabia.

Why did you even return if all you do is again insult a billion of people (even Kurds themselves) without differentiating.

Yetos
02-04-15, 07:16
Then if you belive so, why are you so exiting about kurdish potentialy power? Because, if we are living in biblical times,
then all Kurds (as well as Turks, Persians, and Arabs) will be dead soon - if they don't convert of course. In this case, it
doesn't matter who gain power in the Middle East for a short period of time. It won't help neither you, neither them.

all of us will be dead

ENd is near

Yetos
02-04-15, 07:20
Just read the link.

http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/ (http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-return-of-the-medes/)


" Through the Kurds, the Medes have stepped out of history and onto the world stage once again, and another player in the End Times Scenario is taking its place. One day soon, the King of the Medes will again lead a vast army against Babylon, and this time her destruction will be complete, and the Lord's words will be fulfilled. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 10-11-14 "



Convert to which religion? Christianity? What do you mean? I'm not talking about ' GOG & MAGOG '. Bible prophecy I'm talking about is talking about the destruction of Babylon (Iraq) and the ' RETURN ' of the Medes. Not the destruction of the Medes. I don't mind if Kurds convert to Christianity. To me Christianity is much better than Sunni Islam. I've nothing against Christianity. I'm Ezdi Kurd (because both of my parents are Ezdi Kurds) and I'm even baptised in an Orthodox Church, so technically speaking I can call myself a Christian too (I was born in the USSR). But the point is that Christianity is NOT a Kurdish religion. It's not 'my' religion. It was not a religion of the Medes and other Iranic tribes. I don't care what my people want to believe in, I don't care what my father, brother, children want to believe in as long it is NOT Islam. But it would be great if Kurds come back to their own roots and start to believe in what our ancestors the Medes believed in. The ancient Medes and Persians were NOT Muslims nor Christians, they had their own ' Iranic ' religion, like me. My religion the Yezidism is an ancient ' Iranic ' religion, thousands and thousands of years old, true religion of the Medes!


Goga when read prophecies read them well

Babylon the great whore, where merchants got rich by selling nations,
the original is εμποροι των εθνων,

where they sell and buy nations?
there is modern Babylon

Rethel
02-04-15, 12:50
where they sell and buy nations?
there is modern Babylon

So who is it?

Rethel
02-04-15, 13:08
Just read the link. " Through the Kurds, the Medes have stepped out of history and onto the world stage once again, and another player in the End Times Scenario is taking its place. One day soon, the King of the Medes will again lead a vast army against Babylon, and this time her destruction will be complete, and the Lord's words will be fulfilled. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 10-11-14 "

1) This prophecy was allready fullfiled in antiquity.
2) You probably don't even realize, how complicated and connected are prophecies, if you are taking
only one piece of them to do from this piece of prophecies your own tool for national propaganda.
3) No one never prooved, that Kurds = Medes.
4) I don't no, how close are this two languages - can regular Kurd understand regular Pers and vice versa?


Convert to which religion? Christianity?

If you're using a piece of prophecy, that means that you belive in that prophecy and a book, in which it is written.
If - as you quouted - you can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah - you must convert, because Messiah will kill every one, who disobey him.
It doesn't matter: Kurds, Shia, Yezyds, Sunnis, even wrong doing Christians... bad Chistians will be the first. But in the worst position are Yezids.
Becuase they are pagans, or even worse than that - either from christian, sunni or shia point of view. So whose point of view do you reprersent?


What do you mean? I'm not talking about ' GOG & MAGOG '. Bible prophecy I'm talking about is talking about the destruction of Babylon (Iraq) and the ' RETURN ' of the Medes. Not the destruction of the Medes. I don't mind if Kurds convert to Christianity. To me Christianity is much better than Sunni Islam. I've nothing against Christianity. I'm Ezdi Kurd (because both of my parents are Ezdi Kurds) and I'm even baptised in an Orthodox Church, so technically speaking I can call myself a Christian too (I was born in the USSR). But the point is that Christianity is NOT a Kurdish religion. It's not 'my' religion. It was not a religion of the Medes and other Iranic tribes. I don't care what my people want to believe in, I don't care what my father, brother, children want to believe in as long it is NOT Islam. But it would be great if Kurds come back to their own roots and start to believe in what our ancestors the Medes believed in. The ancient Medes and Persians were NOT Muslims nor Christians, they had their own ' Iranic ' religion, like me. My religion the Yezidism is an ancient ' Iranic ' religion, thousands and thousands of years old, true religion of the Medes!

So if you are a Yezid, why are you talking about Bible?
Bible is against such cults like yezidism. What is your logic?
Or you are only taking everything what can be use for benefit
of kurdish propaganda, whitout any other reason, logic and cohesion.
Do you heard about turkish fantasies? Why do you do the same?

Rethel
02-04-15, 13:40
all of us will be dead

ENd is near

Heheh :) something like that... whith exeptions of course... ;)

Maleth
02-04-15, 14:43
all of us will be dead

ENd is near

Would you kindly have an exact date please to be able to say a proper goodbye to family friends and pets? Thanks :shocked:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

Goga
02-04-15, 15:17
Your "Persia" did a crap to help Yezidis. Have they send forces for help? Have they send any food or other material for the refugees? The only thing they did was order the Iraqi government to not pay Kurdistan budget so the refugees had even less to eat. Get down from your Persia love. Iran is the biggest enemy to Kurdish independence even before Turkey.


And the return of the Medes = Kurds& Persians? Since when are Persians Medes. Are you just trying to tro ll around here because I can't imagine how a person can be by all seriousness that confused.

Month ago I said these words. "Your love for Iran is sickening while the hang Kurds on daily basis". You answered with "No Iran is my enemy too".

And now you once again turned around your own words like a nutcase. But good that you proved that I was right. Your "Persia love" did not come up with the alleged(yeah sure) help of Iran for Yezidis, you had this atitude since years. You are a Pan Iranian/Aryan confused dude, who thinks because he has the same roots with Persian from few thousand years ago, they are his best friends.

Your "Persians" are nowadays Muslims and as radicals as the wahabis in Saudi Arabia.

Why did you even return if all you do is again insult a billion of people (even Kurds themselves) without differentiating.Persia is recognizing & helping the 'Ezdi' army and Ezdixan. Persians are openly supporting 'Ezdixan' and Rojava! Nobody else is doing that! We Ezdi Kurds have own army now becasue we don't trust Sunni Muslim Kurds anymore. There were 12000 Peshmerga in Shengal before the GENOCIDE. All they did is they retreated from their positions and sold out the Ezdi Kurds. They even took last weapons from my people. My people will never forget and forgive this action! Barzani gave them orders to retreat from Shengal and commit a GENOCIDE on the Ezdi Kurds, to kill our children. Ezdi Kurds have to be strong, when my people are weak they got attacked by the Sunni Muslims. We have to protect ourselves. We trusted the Peshmerga, but Peshmerga and Barzani betrayed us! Barzani doesn't support an 'Ezdi' army. Barzani and other Sunni Mslim Kurds in South Kurdistan are Daesh and they sold Shengal to Turkey & Arabs. Barzani never considered Shengal as part of Kurdistan (KRG). All what he cares about is his own Barzan region and his Turkish bank accounts. Barzani, his supporters, Sunni Muslim Kurds who work with Turkey, Daesh, Sunni Arabs etc. are our enemies!

I doubt it, but it would a VERY good thing that Persia gave Iraqi government to not pay Kurdistan budget. KRG is very corrupt, stealing Kuridsh oil money from Kurdistan. Most of the money goes to Barzani clan. KRG is a some kind of a terrorist territory, that is giving shelter to Daesh and other terrorist Sunni Arab leaders. Sunni Muslim Kurds that live in KRG are brainwashed in thousands of mosques Barzani build. Instead of schools, hospitals etc. Barzani is building more mosques! They support Daesh, and Turkey.

Sunni Muslim Kurds in KRG are against Rojava, are against Bakur (Northern Kurdistan), are against the Ezdi Kurds (Ezdixan), only to please the Turks and Daesh. So called 'Kurds', those who are Sunni Muslim extremists in KRG are lost people. Not every Kurd in KRG is lost. Those Kurds in South Kurdistan who support PKK and Rojava are the real Kurds! Someone should learned those traitors a lesson! What goes around comes around. The traitors must pay and they will pay! They (Barzani, Peshmerga, KRG, Daesh, Turkey) are nothing but child murderers!

Rethel
02-04-15, 16:08
But for the sunni-devoted Kurds kurdish sunni communists are traitors too... ;)

So, who are a real traitors?

And, as you present us, Kurds are very devided.
So, how can you be sure, that you will be capabale
to creat a state, if you cannot agree with each other?

Goga
02-04-15, 16:42
But for the sunni-devoted Kurds kurdish sunni communists are traitors too... ;)

So, who are a real traitors?

And, as you present us, Kurds are very devided.
So, how can you be sure, that you will be capabale
to creat a state, if you cannot agree with each other?Not all Islam is bad, Kurdish/Iranic Sufism is great! But this Sufism is mixed with the ancient Iranic regions, like the Zoroastrianism etc. Some Shia movements are ok too. Also Kurdish Alevism is not Islam. Kurdish Alevism has the same deep roots as the Yezidism.

Real Islam has to be erased in Kurdistan. It's Islam that divides Kurds and Kurdistan.

For many Kurds in South Kurdistan/KRG who are so deeply lost that for them Sunni Islam is more important than Kurdistan. They are traitors. They do support Turkey, are againt Rojava, PKK and Ezdi Kurds, vote for Barzani, Islamic parties etc. Only some Socialist parties close to PKK in South Kurdistan are good parties. There're millions of Kurds in South Kurdistan who would vote for those Socialist parties when Barzani is gone! I'm sure thatthose Socialist parties will become very popular in South Kurdistan after Barzani is gone.

Kurdish Sunni Islamists who consider Islam more important than Kurdish race, Kurdish language and Kurdish homeland have no place in Kurdistan. They should emigrate to Arabistan, Turkey or Central Asia. Those Kurds are the real enemies of Kurdistan!

But many Kurds in South Kurdistan are more or less PKK supporters and don't like Islam. A lot Sorani Kurds are not very religious and very tolerant.

Real PKK is an atheist organization. PKK believes in power and the will of the people and not in GOD. You can't be a 'devoted' Sunni Muslim and PKK atthe same time. PKK wants a different way of living than Sunni Muslims. PKK believes in equality between men and women. Sunni Muslims hate women are 'child killers'. PKK looks into the future. Sunni Muslims look to their own holy book. PKK is tolerant toward all ethnicities and all religions. PKK accepts all differences of all people. Sunni Muslims want to make everybody else a Sunni Muslim!

But there're a lot of Kurds who believe in God and support PKK, like Zazaki Kurds, Kurmanji Alevi Kurds, Ezdi Kurds, Rojava Kurds (they are fighting against Islam intolerance and extremism !!!) .
I'm Kurmanji Ezdi Kurd myself, but to be honest most Sunni Muslim Extremists are among Kurmanji Kurds in Northern and Southern Kurdistan. Once those Kurds were Ezdi too, but our enemies forced them to convert to Islam and they got radicalized because of a some kind of identity crisis.
I hope those Sunni Muslims so called 'kurds' will become normal again, otherwise they have to move out of Kurdistan or to be neutralized...

Rethel
02-04-15, 19:20
Not all Islam is bad, Kurdish/Iranic Sufism is great! But this Sufism is mixed with the ancient Iranic regions, like the Zoroastrianism etc. Some Shia movements are ok too. Also Kurdish Alevism is not Islam. Kurdish Alevism has the same deep roots as the Yezidism.

This are apostates who will be exterminated soon, after coming to power real islamic state.


Real Islam has to be erased in Kurdistan. It's Islam that divides Kurds and Kurdistan.

Ancestors too...


For many Kurds in South Kurdistan/KRG who are so deeply lost that for them Sunni Islam is more important than Kurdistan. They are traitors.

If you would know a little Islam, you wouldn't be talking such a things.
Not for every one kurdism is a religion, like for you.


Kurdish Sunni Islamists who consider Islam more important than Kurdish race, Kurdish language and Kurdish homeland have no place in Kurdistan. They should emigrate to Arabistan, Turkey or Central Asia. Those Kurds are the real enemies of Kurdistan!

In their eyes, you are a real enemy of Islam.:smash:



But there're a lot of Kurds who believe in God and support PKK, like Zazaki Kurds, Kurmanji Alevi Kurds, Ezdi Kurds, Rojava Kurds (they are fighting against Islam intolerance and extremism !!!) .

So for islamic point of view this is oxymoron, and they are apostates.

From christian point of view it would be probably too.
No one can be a true christian and socialist at the same time.


I'm Kurmanji Ezdi Kurd myself, but to be honest most Sunni Muslim Extremists are among Kurmanji Kurds in Northern and Southern Kurdistan. Once those Kurds were Ezdi too, but our enemies forced them to convert to Islam and they got radicalized because of a some kind of identity crisis.
I hope those Sunni Muslims so called 'kurds' will become normal again, otherwise they have to move out of Kurdistan or to be neutralized...

Tell me, what were doing Kurds when millions of arameans, assyrians, chaldeans, armienians, greeks and other christians were murderd?

Goga
02-04-15, 19:32
Tell me, what were doing Kurds when millions of arameans, assyrians, chaldeans, armienians, greeks and other christians were murderd?At the time when Christians were murdered by the Sunni Muslim Turks and Sunni Muslim Kurds, my people, the Ezdi Kurds were murdered too. Sunni Muslims committed 73 !!! times a GENOCIDE against my people. 73 !!!!

My people rescued thousands of Christians.

Only the Ezdi Kurds from Shengal saved 20,000 Armenians 1915/1916 ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0FSm_WAAAW-EQ.png:large

https://twitter.com/PhenixKurde/status/580125746334699520 (https://twitter.com/PhenixKurde/status/580125746334699520)

EBlack
03-04-15, 02:48
At the time when Christians were murdered by the Sunni Muslim Turks and Sunni Muslim Kurds, my people, the Ezdi Kurds were murdered too. Sunni Muslims committed 73 !!! times a GENOCIDE against my people. 73 !!!!

My people rescued thousands of Christians.

Only the Ezdi Kurds from Shengal saved 20,000 Armenians 1915/1916 ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0FSm_WAAAW-EQ.png:large

https://twitter.com/PhenixKurde/status/580125746334699520 (https://twitter.com/PhenixKurde/status/580125746334699520)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Nice evidence. Who told you that? You know what historians are talking "here" now? Kurds killed Armenians. Hrant Dink said something like this too. Well since your evidence is just so good. My evidence will be my words too. You can search, if you want. It's not my thoughs.

İ just saw now, all you doing talking without evidence. My people are so goood. My people's islam even is so goood. Others are sooo bad. Turks are shit, Arabs are shit,whatever are shit. Kurds rules. Yea, even 5 years old child can say things like this. I just liked how you said "not all islam is bad, sufism is great!!"


They (Barzani, Peshmerga, KRG, Daesh, Turkey) are nothing but child murderers!

That's are exacly the words of Turkish nationalism about PKK. I hope you understood what i mean. "Nationalist,rasict". That's exacly what you are. I respect people who are fighting for Kurdish people's rights at Turkey, like "Selehattin Demirtaş,Sırrı Süreyya Önder , Ertuğrul Kürkçü" I'm very glad they are people who will disgusted when they hear your words.

Goga
03-04-15, 04:23
I respect people who are fighting for Kurdish people's rights at Turkey, like "Selehattin Demirtaş,Sırrı Süreyya Önder , Ertuğrul Kürkçü" I'm very glad they are people who will disgusted when they hear your words.And I do really adore Atatürk, he loved 5 years old boys very much. Great man!

EBlack
03-04-15, 06:06
How is this rasict can say somethings like this at this forum without getting perma ban?

LeBrok
27-04-15, 01:55
Turkey seems to be more active in fight against IS these days. Is it for real, did they finally recognized Daesh as a threat, or just smokes and mirrors for the world's audience?
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/20-turkish-officers-train-iraqi-volunteer-forces-mosul-battle/

Kurdishpatriot
08-05-15, 01:36
Barzani: Kurdistan Independence Will Come The unity of Iraq cannot be enforced, says President Barzani
The Kurdistan Region President, in his first and only public statement from the US capital, has said that the issue of independence for the Kurdistan Region will be addressed in time. The only reason a referendum has yet to take place, he said, was the ongoing conflict with Islamic State (IS).
‘I cannot predict whether it will be next year or when, but certainly Kurdistan will achieve independence,’ said Masoud Barzani from Washington, where this week he is attending a series of closed-door meetings with the Obama administration, his first trip to the US in four years.
At an event hosted by the Atlantic Council and the US Institute of Peace on Wednesday, the KRG President said his people want to achieve independence peacefully, adding that his government has delayed holding a referendum while it fights IS.
“Right now our country is in a fight against IS. The fight is not over, and that’s why the issue of referendum has been delayed. Of course the referendum will eventually take place.”
Barzani pointed out the success of the Kurdish Peshmerga over IS, stressing that the organisation must be eradicated from the region. To realise this goal, he insisted that further international support for the Peshmerga is required.
A push for independence could damage Baghdad interests on two fronts – the Kurdistan Region has oil reserves that have only recently come online and are a long way from being fully exploited, and a split from Iraq could green light a greater fragmentation of the country.
Barzani briefly addressed Turkey’s ongoing efforts to broker a peace accord with the Kurdish fighters of Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in the country, Barzani said that a solution is “an important part” of Erbil’s relationship with Ankara.
“We hope that a peaceful solution can be found to the Kurdish question in Turkey,” he said.
Returning to the conflict, Barzani pointed out that the Kurdish Peshmerga forces have been instrumental in many of Baghdad’s successes in the ongoing effort to push IS out of the roughly one-third of the country under the militants’ control.
They are likely to play a critical role in an anticipated offensive to recapture Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city, which has been under IS control since government forces withdrew last June.
“So long as the terrorists of IS are in Mosul, they will be a direct threat to the Kurdistan region,” Barzani said, adding that they will also be a threat to the whole of Iraq and the wider Middle East. “We will do whatever we can in order to help liberate Mosul.”
“IS was quite sure that they could easily implement their agenda in the region. However, they soon realised that the Peshmerga are their biggest obstacle to achieving their evil intentions.”
The Kurdistan Region has found itself having to deal with a humanitarian crisis, as refugees from Syria and internally displaced Iraqis strain limited resources.
“There are currently more than one million refugees taking shelters in the Kurdistan Region, among them 250,000 from Syria. This has put heavy economic pressure on the Kurdistan Region Government (KRG). Just in Dohuk Province, for example, the number of refugees exceeds the number of original residents of the city.”
President Barzani added, “Regardless of the challenges and limited resources we have, we will continue helping displaced people in Kurdistan. However the situation is now so critical that international aid is urgently needed in the region.
“At the very beginning when IS emerged in the region, I sat down with all Iraqi minorities; Christians, Turkmen and Yazidis. I encouraged them not to leave the country but stay with us and fight the terrorists to the end.”
The KRG President gave further details of the situation in Iraq, where Peshmerga forces have a frontline of 1,500 kilometres.
“We are honoured that our brave Peshmerga have defeated IS not only in Iraq but also in Syria, by going to Kobani to save our Kurdish people from brutality of IS.”
“The fight is ongoing and the US-led coalition airstrikes have made a great contribution to our success. However, the Peshmerga are in need of more military support in terms of modern weapons, ammunition and training to fight such a well-equipped terrorist organisation.”
The relationship between the Iraqi central government and the KRG was also discussed in the panel discussion. “Even though some problems are remain unsolved, we have maintained a good relationship and level of understanding with Baghdad, and we are seeing some goodwill from the new Iraqi cabinet.
“We have signed a deal with Baghdad regarding oil exports that commits the KRG to exporting 550,000 barrels per day through the Iraqi State Organization for Oil Marketing (SOMO). In return Baghdad will pay our 17% from the Iraqi national budget,” President Barzani said.
“We have done our best to prevent terrorists making further advances, and now I’m calling on Iraqis to stand shoulder to shoulder to fight and drive out the militants. The unity of the people is a prerequisite to the unity of the country.
“We will absolutely continue our efforts to live together peacefully but this does not mean we will allow anyone to deprive us from exercising our God-given self-determination rights. The referendum must take place, but for now our priority is to keep away the IS threat from the country.”
Barzani continued “Once the IS threat is downplayed in Iraq, we will legally start working on our national cause to determine our future. The KRG Parliament has already approved a bill to form a new high independent commission for elections in Kurdistan.”
The President concluded, “We understand that the fight is extremely costly but we will never surrender. Regardless of the consequences, we will keep struggling as we have to win this war eventually.”

Kurdishpatriot
08-05-15, 01:39
President barzani of the kurdistan government in north iraq has visited a few days ago the white house and had a meeting with president obama. The main topic was independence of kurdistan, he will now visit europian countries to do the same.

LeBrok
08-05-15, 07:10
I'm not sure if it is the best idea to wait with Kurd's independence till Daesh is defeated. This will give Shia Iraq/Iran alliance to concentrate solely on one remaining threat, Kurds. They both will have an interest in dissolving Kurdistan. Proclaiming Free Kurdistan now is much safer in my opinion, when Iraq and Iran are concentrating on prolonged fight with ISIS.

Other issue, would be to build strong air force. Since WW2 air force is the most important part of strong army. It is hard, if impossible, to win a war or defend a country without superior air machine. Surely, the West will be sympathetic to Kurd's effort in preserving their own independent country. However who knows if they will rush with military help in need. One way to go around with new independence and creation of a new state in Middle East is to fallow Israelis. They surly have a good blueprint for it.

Alan
08-05-15, 13:32
I'm not sure if it is the best idea to wait with Kurd's independence till Daesh is defeated. This will give Shia Iraq/Iran alliance to concentrate solely on one remaining threat, Kurds. They both will have an interest in dissolving Kurdistan. Proclaiming Free Kurdistan now is much safer in my opinion, when Iraq and Iran are concentrating on prolonged fight with ISIS.

Other issue, would be to build strong air force. Since WW2 air force is the most important part of strong army. It is hard, if impossible, to win a war or defend a country without superior air machine. Surely, the West will be sympathetic to Kurd's effort in preserving their own independent country. However who knows if they will rush with military help in need. One way to go around with new independence and creation of a new state in Middle East is to fallow Israelis. They surly have a good blueprint for it.


The Obama administration want it that way. They oppose Kurdish independence since day one.

Goga
08-05-15, 16:23
I'm not sure if it is the best idea to wait with Kurd's independence till Daesh is defeated. This will give Shia Iraq/Iran alliance to concentrate solely on one remaining threat, Kurds. They both will have an interest in dissolving Kurdistan. Proclaiming Free Kurdistan now is much safer in my opinion, when Iraq and Iran are concentrating on prolonged fight with ISIS.

Other issue, would be to build strong air force. Since WW2 air force is the most important part of strong army. It is hard, if impossible, to win a war or defend a country without superior air machine. Surely, the West will be sympathetic to Kurd's effort in preserving their own independent country. However who knows if they will rush with military help in need. One way to go around with new independence and creation of a new state in Middle East is to fallow Israelis. They surly have a good blueprint for it.
That will never happen. As long Barzani is the leader of KRG, the Americans will never take Kurds in Bashur (South Kurdistan) seriously. Nobody trusts Barzani. The US knows that Barzani is a corrupt traitor. He showed his true face, when he build trenches between Rojava and South Kurdistan, he showed his true face when he attacked and still is still attacking allother Kurds who don't think like him. He showed his true face when his Muslim Peshmerga betrayed the Ezdi Kurds in Shengal and just left and gave our holy land to the Sunni Muslim extremists. Remember that the biggest opponent if an Independent Kurdistan is Barzani himself. If he truly wanted a free and independent Kurdistan it would be even 20 years ago. Barzani is Daesh and he works together with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey against Kurdish race interests. He is making Kurdistan more like a Taliban style region and is stealing Kurdish oil. What will happen if Kurdistan will become independent under Barzani? It will be a disaster. Barzani doesn't want Kurdistan, he wants a caliphate and be part of Turkey. He still believes in caliphate, lol. While Every reasonable person knows that there will benever ever a caliphate again in this post postmodern times.

After Barzani is gone there will be a free and independent Kurdistan. Everybody is waiting (including the US) for a moment when Barzani the Islamic Dictator is gone.

Mark my words, he and his sons will end like Saddam Hussein and his sons. Like Saddam Hussein, Barzani and his sons and his tribe committed a GENOCIDE of the 21 century against the Ezdi Kurds. Such a crime will never stay unpunished! It's well documented. Barzani is Daesh and his Peshmerga army is like a mujahedeen Taliban army. Of course he will be defeated, I have no doubts at all! And when he is gone there will be a free Independent Kurdistan!

LeBrok
08-05-15, 16:52
The Obama administration want it that way. They oppose Kurdish independence since day one. New president is coming in a year. Regardless, even if independence of Kurds is not fitting US vision of the region, they wouldn't oppose doing business, with still friendly to them Kurdistan, selling military equipment to, or heaving a great place for a military base. It would be just an inconvenience to them but not a deal breaker, especially when boots on ground to fight Daesh are in great need.
I wouldn't wait, the time is now.

Goga
08-05-15, 17:12
New president is coming in a year. Regardless, even if independence of Kurds is not fitting US vision of the region, they wouldn't oppose doing business, with still friendly to them Kurdistan, selling military equipment to, or heaving a great place for a military base. It would be just an inconvenience to them but not a deal breaker, especially when boots on ground to fight Daesh are in great need.
I wouldn't wait, the time is now.
Barzani's presidency term will also end in a couple of months, and there should be new elections in South Kurdistan, but the Islamic dictator Barzani will not leave his position. It's not allowed to become more than two times a president is a row, but the dictator Barzani is already 'serving' his third term and he wants that his son will take his place after him. His cousin/son in law is a prime minister.

There will be a great disaster in Kurdistan if KRG will become an independent land under Barzani rule, without interference of Kurds from other parts of Kurdistan!


Kurdistan must be UNITED, there will be an independent 'Great' federal Kurdistan with all separate cantons/regions within the Great Kurdistan, with a federal government.

Zaza Kurds should rule themselves, Ezdi Kurds should rulethemselves, Feily Kurds should rule themselves, Sorani Kurds should rulethemselves etc.

Arame
09-05-15, 09:54
Who controls now Ezdi Shengal?
Is it fully liberated from Daesh occupation or not?

Goga
09-05-15, 16:15
Who controls now Ezdi Shengal?
Is it fully liberated from Daesh occupation or not?
The whole mountain of Shengal and the Northern areas of Shengal province are under PKK and Ezdi control. Native Ezdi Kurds who have been living in Shengal for thousands of years are PKK now. PKK is protecting Shengal. And we don't accept Sunni Muslims anymore. My paternal lineage, roots are from Shengal, my y-DNA is from Shengal, although most of my other roots are from Northern Kurdistan, region between Wan and Kars.

The city of Shengal is still disputed and part of it is still under Daesh occupation. Historic Ezdi areas below of Shengal city are still under occupation of Sunni Muslims (Daesh).

We (Ezdi Kurds) have been living in our homeland for thousands of years since the times of the Sumerians, of course we will liberate all our holyland from the Muslims and natives will return to their homeland.

LeBrok
17-05-15, 01:42
Australia: Australia has participated in airstrikes and humanitarian missions in Iraq, and has sent special forces and other troops to help train Iraqi security forces in first aid, explosive hazards, urban combat and working dog programs, according to the defense ministry. As of February 12, Australian aircraft had carried out about13% of all coalition airstrikes (http://news.defence.gov.au/2015/02/12/press-conference-with-chief-of-joint-operations-vice-admiral-david-johnston-who-gives-an-update-of-australian-operations-in-iraq/), Vice Adm. David Johnston told reporters.

Bahrain: The oil-wealthy Gulf nation east of Saudi Arabia was part of the first handful of nations that participated in airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria. Foreign Minister Khalid bin Ahmed al Khalifa, speaking on CNN in September (http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/09/23/bahrain-our-region-cannot-withstand-this-deviated-cult/), called ISIS a "deviated cult" that must be fought. On Sunday, Bahrain announced it was sending aircraft to Jordan to participate in anti-ISIS efforts. Bahrain has had close relations with the United States for years, and the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet is in based in Bahrain.

Belgium: The country has conducted airstrikes against ISIS targets, according to U.S. Central Command. In January, Belgian authorities broke up a plot by ISIS veterans (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/13/europe/europe-belgium-isis-plot/) to launch a terror attack in the country.

Canada: Its warplanes have flown 310 sorties against ISIS targets as of February 11, theCanadian armed forces reported. (http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/operations-abroad-current/op-impact.page?utm_source=website&utm_medium=Sub-image%20box&utm_campaign=Op-Impact-ENG) Canadian aircraft have also flown dozens of aerial refueling and reconnaissance missions in support of the anti-ISIS fight, and its cargo aircraft have been used to deliver military aid from Albania and the Czech Republic, the Canadian military said. The military has also sent a small detachment to help advise the Iraqi government and donated $5 million in humanitarian aid.

Denmark: It has conducted airstrikes against ISIS targets, according to U.S. Central Command.

France: French planes have taken part in airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq, and the nation has flownreconnaissance flights over Iraq, contributed ammunition and made humanitarian drops over the nation. (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/04/politics/coalition-isis/) France's air force was also part of an operation in the Iraqi town of Amerli (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/31/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/), along with Australia and Great Britain, that pushed back ISIS fighters. ISIS has called for attacks against Western citizens, singling out "the spiteful and filthy French" for punishment. A video emerged of militants who have pledged allegiance to ISIS beheading Herve Gourdel (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/africa/algeria-france-hostage-beheading/), a French citizen who was kidnapped in Algeria.

Egypt: The country struck ISIS targets in Libya on Monday after the group reportedly executed 21 Egyptian Christians, and called on anti-ISIS coalition partners to do the same, saying the group poses a threat to international safety and security. Egypt had previously agreed to join the anti-ISIS coalition, but details about its role, if any, have been scarce. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has said Egypt has a critical role to play in countering ISIS ideology, and Egypt's grand mufti condemned the terror group, saying that its actions are not in line with Islam, Al-Arabiya reported (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/09/08/Egypt-s-Grand-Mufti-ISIS-not-part-of-Islam.html).

Italy: It has sent weapons and ammunition valued at $2.5 million to Kurdish fighters in Iraq, along with 280 troops to help train them, according to Foreign Policy magazine Kurdish fighters helped expel ISIS forces from the Syrian city of Kobani in January, and are fighting ISIS forces near Mosul, Iraq, and Sinjar Mountain, the site of a dramatic siege this summer by militants of ethnic minority Yazidis.Iraqi Kurdistan: The Kurdish fighting force, the Peshmerga, is battling ISIS on the ground.

Germany: Although it has declined to participate in airstrikes, Germany has provided Kurdish forces in Iraq with $87 million worth of weapons and other military equipment (http://www.dw.de/german-cabinet-agrees-to-send-troops-to-train-iraqi-kurds/a-18136604), along with a handful of troops to help with training, German broadcaster Deutsche Welle reported. Germany has also banned activities supporting ISIS, including making it illegal to fly the trademark black flag of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts).

Jordan: The country initially joined in airstrikes against ISIS but suspended its participation when one of its aircraft went down in Syria, leading to the capture of pilot Lt. Moath al-Kasasbeh. The kingdom resumed its attacks in February after ISIS released a video depicting the pilot being burned to death in a cage.

Netherlands: The Dutch government sent F-16 fighter jets to bomb ISIS targets and troops to help train Kurdish forces. As of early February, Dutch warplanes had conducted nearly 300 strikes on ISIS targets, the Defense Ministry said."We are upping the ante. We're going after them wherever they are, with everything that we have. But it's not the beginning, and it's certainly not the end," Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh told CNN. Jordanian officials have also said one of the country's key contributions would be intelligence information.
Recently, the Dutch military said two F-16s dropped bombs on armed ISIS vehicles in northern Iraq that were shooting at Kurdish fighters. The ISIS vehicles were destroyed, the military said (http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2014/10/07/nederlandse-f-16s-gooien-eerste-bommen-in-irak), and ISIS fighters were "possibly killed."

Qatar: The small but rich Gulf nation that hosts one of the largest American bases in the Middle East has flown a number of humanitarian flights, State Department officials said. In late September, in his first interview as the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani vowed to support the coalition. Qatar has been accused of funding terrorism, which the Emir dismissed. "We don't fund extremists," he told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/world/meast/qatar-emir/) "If you talk about certain movements, especially in Syria and Iraq, we all consider them terrorist movement." Of the coalition, he said, "We've been asked by our American friends if we can join, and we did."

Saudi Arabia: The kingdom has sent warplanes to strike ISIS targets in Syria and agreed to host efforts to train moderate Syrian rebels to fight ISIS. It also donated $500 million to U.N. humanitarian efforts in Iraq.

Turkey: Though the NATO member initially offered only tacit support for the coalition, Turkey's government in 2014 authorized the use of military force against terrorist organizations, including ISIS, as the militant group's fighters took towns just south of Turkey's border. Foreign troops have also been allowed to launch attacks against ISIS from Turkey. U.S. officials said it had earlier taken steps to cut the flow of money to ISIS and denied entry to or deported several thousand foreign fighters heading to Syria to join the extremists.

United Arab Emirates: Like its ally Jordan, the UAE initially took part in anti-ISIS airstrikes -- the country's first female fighter pilot led one of the missions (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/world/meast/uae-female-fighter-pilot/). But the government suspended its participation in December after the downing of a Jordanian fighter whose pilot was later killed. It resumed airstrikes in February, flying F-16s from Jordan against militant targets.

United Kingdom: The UK began airstrikes against ISIS in October, hitting targets four days after its Parliament approved its involvement. British planes helped Kurdish troops who were fighting ISIS in northwestern Iraq, dropping a bomb on an ISIS heavy weapon position and shooting a missile at an armed pickup, the UK's Defence Ministry said. Since then, warplanes have struck targets in Iraq dozens of times, and British planes had been involved in reconnaissance missions over that country. The British military is also helping train Kurdish Peshmerga and has sent advisers to help Iraqi commanders. Britain has also pledged more than $60 million in humanitarian aid.
Read more: Britain vows to 'confront' ISIS (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/world/meast/isis-david-haines-beheading/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Other nations: Also participating in one way or another are the Arab League and the European Union as well as the nations of Albania, Andorra, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Japan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Panama, Poland, Portugal, South Korea, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Somalia, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan and Ukraine.
Some countries -- such as Kuwait -- are providing bases. Some, like Albania, the Czech Republic and Hungary, have sent weapons and ammunition. Others are providing humanitarian support, taking legal steps to curb recruitment or providing other, unspecified aid.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/06/world/meast/isis-coalition-nations/index.html

LeBrok
17-05-15, 20:52
Iraqis are loosing battle for Ramadi.
I think, the problem runs deep to recruitment of soldiers in pre-war period. Instead of choosing the right candidates for the right job, army was a source of steady paying job in economy of misery and high unemployment. One cannot get a good fighting spirit from people who never cared to be a soldier in first place. The biggest problem though is rampant cronyism that effects quality of commanding officers. Most of commanders got their positions from being a friends of top politicians. Again, it was a good paying position for people without any military education, who didn't have a clue how to run an army, how to train soldiers, how to increase morals, or organize defensive and offensive. The consequences for Iraqi's military men are grave and it shows in their performance on a battle field. They are outrun and outmaneuvered by lightly armed, but high spirited, Daesh fighters. Even though the Iraqis are much better armed, and with air support. On top of it they are escaping so fast that they leave behind top class military equipment, and not the first time! A really pathetic picture.
Seems that Iraqis will need much bigger help from Iranian army.

One police officer confirmed that at least 30 U.S. supplied armored Humvees, which had been sent as reinforcements on Saturday, had been abandoned in the neighborhood of Malaab alone.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article21233256.html

PS. Anyone has an idea about numbers of Daesh attacking Ramadi? Perhaps I'm a bit too harsh on Iraqi's army?

LeBrok
17-05-15, 21:03
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2014/0814_iraq/Operation-Inherent-Resolve-May08.jpg
Numbers and kinds of targets destroyed by US airstrikes.
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2014/0814_iraq/

LeBrok
17-05-15, 21:07
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2014/0814_iraq/20150410_ISIL_Map_Unclass_Approved.jpg
http://www.defense.gov/home/features/2014/0814_iraq/

The biggest territorial gains for coalition come by the way of Kurdish fighters.

LeBrok
19-05-15, 21:48
In recent news the Government of Iraq called exclusively Shia militia to defend Ramadi. I think this is an official point in history of Iraq to give up its mufti ethnic character. From now on Baghdad won't bother with catering to Sunnies. It will be only as Shia state. It is bad for Iraq, but good thing for Kurds. Perhaps these recent developments will change Obama's mind on Kurdish issue.

Goga
19-05-15, 22:34
In recent news the Government of Iraq called exclusively Shia militia to defend Ramadi. I think this is an official point in history of Iraq to give up its mufti ethnic character. From now on Baghdad won't bother with catering to Sunnies. It will be only as Shia state. It is bad for Iraq, but good thing for Kurds. Perhaps these recent developments will change Obama's mind on Kurdish issue.
I just love those Shia militias. Sunni Muslims (including terrorist Sunni Kurds, Daesh dictator Barzani) are afraid of them like hell. They will not only teach Sunni Arabs a huge lesson, but the will let Sunni Muslim Kurds pay a very heavy price for their alliance with Daesh, Erdogan (Turkey) and all other Sunni terrorists. Shia militias will come after Barzani and Barzani knows that. You know about karma? Ezdi Kurds, my people, believe in Karma, what happened to my people will happen to Sunni Muslims = GODLESS people (Arabs & KURDS) hundred times more. Millions will die. Millions of terrorist Sunni Muslim Southern Kurds will die, mark my words.

Goga
19-05-15, 22:41
Nothing is sweeter than karma and reprisal!

Alan
20-05-15, 01:13
I just love those Shia militias. Sunni Muslims (including terrorist Sunni Kurds, Daesh dictator Barzani) are afraid of them like hell. They will not only teach Sunni Arabs a huge lesson, but the will let Sunni Muslim Kurds pay a very heavy price for their alliance with Daesh, Erdogan (Turkey) and all other Sunni terrorists. Shia militias will come after Barzani and Barzani knows that. You know about karma? Ezdi Kurds, my people, believe in Karma, what happened to my people will happen to Sunni Muslims = GODLESS people (Arabs & KURDS) hundred times more. Millions will die. Millions of terrorist Sunni Muslim Southern Kurds will die, mark my words.

So this here is the final prove that your problem is not with Barzani or something like that, Your problem is in your head and that you are a pro Iran shia militia loving idiot. And your constant insults have gone for far too long.

First I thought you were just too emotional and let you go on but finally I have reaized that all you do is being anti Kurdish.

You have contributed to this Forum the last half year absolutely ZERO beside insults of a whole group (Sunni Kurd including me) and I am not going to take it longer from some brain damaged loser.

And now you even ask for the death of them. You have zero to do with Kurdistan, you have managed to tr oll a thread about Kurds more than any anti Kurdish user could ever do. You are supporting a organisation like Shia militias who try to halt the establishment of a Kurdistan and attack Kurds.


I will personally ask for your ban that your sorry existence never again appears in any Kurdish affairs.

Alan
20-05-15, 01:26
It is the Sunni Kurds who defend and a saved their Yezidi brothers to begin with while the Shia militia/Iraqi Army fled and let Schingal and Mosul helpless. Only so the Peshmerga had to react quickly and fill that power vacuum. What would have happened if the Peshmerga didn't came? We would see a much bigger massacre. Iraqi shia Army is also fault that ISIS even got that strong because just like recently in Ramadi they left behind all the weapons US provided them. And some idiot who has no idea is coming here and hailing them.

Goga
20-05-15, 01:26
You're the one who should be banned, you are the one with personal attacks. I thought you were in a mosques praying to your … in Arabic.

There is nothing wrong to support Shia Muslim Arabs over Sunni Muslim Daesh Arabs. You and your people support Sunni Muslims, Erdogan, Turkey Daesh. And I do support those who are willing to fight against those scum who genocide 'MY' people, not your people. To be more clear, I don't consider Sunni Kurds in South Kurds as Kurds at all, they have chosen for Islam nation and not for Kurdish race/nation. They are not Kurds and they are not my people. They are my ENEMIES! My other enemies are Daesh, Sunni Daesh terrorist Turks, Arabs etc. And I wish ALL my enemies nothing but death. And death will come after them.

Nothing worth a ban, I'm breaking any rules. Your people support Daesh, Erdogan, Qatar and other Sunni Muslims. And I do support Shiah Muslims in this war. Why? Because Shiah Muslims are killing my enemies. And they will come after Barzani!



Xode Shems, ola ola Ezide Sora, Tauwese Melek. Don't forget about KARMA. I've nothing toadd...

Alan
20-05-15, 01:29
It is the Sunni Kurds who defend and a saved their Yezidi brothers to begin with while the Shia militia/Iraqi Army fled and let Schingal and Mosul helpless. Only so the Peshmerga had to react quickly and fill that power vacuum. What would have happened if the Peshmerga didn't came? We would see a much bigger massacre. Iraqi shia Army is also fault that ISIS even got that strong because just like recently in Ramadi they left behind all the weapons US provided them. And some idiot who has no idea is coming here and hailing them.

Don't worry you will not be around for too long. God How I wished you were around here, I would know how to close your dirty insulting big mouth. You are insane and should not be allowed to stay in contact with anyone. You insulted whole ethnicities and religious groups to which I belong since few pages.

You have absolutely nothing to do with Yezidism or the Kurdish nationality you are a secterian individual who doesn't know his enemy and attacks other Kurds just because of their different religion.

Goga
20-05-15, 01:33
It is the Sunni Kurds who defend and a saved their Yezidi brothers to begin with while the Shia militia/Iraqi Army fled and let Schingal and Mosul helpless. Only so the Peshmerga had to react quickly and fill that power vacuum. What would have happened if the Peshmerga didn't came? We would see a much bigger massacre. Iraqi shia Army is also fault that ISIS even got that strong because just like recently in Ramadi they left behind all the weapons US provided them. And some idiot who has no idea is coming here and hailing them.

Don't worry you will not be around for too long. God How I wished you were around here, I would know how to close your dirty dirty big mouth. You are insane and should not be allowed to stay in contact with anyone.Kurds in Rojava and PKK denounce Islam! They are not Muslim, their religion is KURDISTAN! PKK leaders is putting Quran under their feet. If PKK is Muslim than I'm ultra Muslim, Jew and Christian combined.

PKK saved my people, and PKK is saving my people and PKK will always be there to save my people! As long there is PKK there will be Ezdixan and there will be Ezdi Kurds, our native Kurdish religion and our native Kurdish CULTURE!

Alan
20-05-15, 01:38
Kurds in Rojava and PKK denounce Islam! They are not Muslim, their religion is KURDISTAN! PKK leaders is putting Quran under their feet. If PKK is Muslim than I'm ultra Muslim, Jew and Christian combined.

PKK saved my people, and PKK is saving my people and PKK will always be there to save my people! As long there is PKK there will be Ezdixan and there will be Ezdi Kurds, our native Kurdish religion and our native Kurdish CULTURE!


Salih MUSLIM leader of the PYD in Rojava. Is a believing Muslim and went 4 times to Mecca. I am sick of your nonsense. You simply don't know what you are talking about.

70% of PKK fighters and 90% of YPG fighters who helped to save Yezidis are Sunni Kurds. And you are insulting them.

You have been manipulated by other people to believe all this. You are an easy target to manipulate.

Goga
20-05-15, 01:40
You have absolutely nothing to do with Yezidism or the Kurdish nationality you are a secterian individual who doesn't know his enemy and attacks other Kurds just because of their different religion.Ezdi Kurds NEVER attacked other people. It is YOU and your Sunni people who attacked the Ezdi Kurds!

Enough = enough !

LeBrok
20-05-15, 01:43
I had enough of your intolerant and racist posts. One more and you are banned forever.

Alan
20-05-15, 01:53
Ezdi Kurds NEVER attacked other people. It is YOU and your Sunni people who attacked the Ezdi Kurds!

Enough = enough !

who said Yezidi Kurds attacked other people? For Gods sake get in your head that not all Sunni people are my people! I am defending the Sunni Kurds (basically 70% of the population). YOU are insulting other people.


You don't understand who is your friend and who is fault for this miseray. Shia Iraqi Army left Shingal helpless when they left without even looking behind. Shia Iraqi Army left Peshmerga helpless when they left all their equipment for the ISIS:

If Shia Iraqi Army fought with all the equipment they had instead of leaving the Mosul province. All the Christian and Yezidi Kurds wouldn't had to flee.
You are also ignorant towards the over thousand of Sunni Kurds who died to save the Yezidis. A Kurdish sunni mother alone lost all three of her sons to save the Yezidis.

And this is how you thank her?


The mother of three Peshmerga fighters who were killed during confrontations with Islamic State (IS) militants will visit the European Parliament on Wednesday 29th April.
The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) representative to the EU Dlawar Azhgayi told BasNews that the European Parliament is planning to praise the role of Kurdish women and recognize IS crimes against the Yazidis as genocide.
Azhgayi said, “The mother of three Peshmerga martyrs Aisha Taha, a Yazidi girl who escaped IS and the Yazidi member of the Iraqi parliament Vian Dakhil will attend the meeting.”
“The President of the EU Parliament Martin Schulz will honour the mother of the fallen Peshmerga and Yazidi women for their sacrifices and remarkable role during such difficult times.”
He added, “Representatives from 28 European countries are supporting Kurdistan and the Kurdish women at the meeting, as most of those countries have already taken part in the fight against IS.”
The women were originally invited to visit the EU parliament on 26th March 2015, but the trip was postponed due to visa issues.


http://www.basnews.com/en/news/2015/04/27/mother-of-three-peshmerga-martyrs-to-visit-eu-parliament/


you are disrespectful too all people who fight and lost people who fought to help the Yezidi Kurds and Christians. What have you done to save those people that you can talk in this disrespectful manner?

You praise Salih Muslim and the YPG.

See what Salih Muslim says about the Barzanis. So how can you disrespect Barzani? It was his Peshmerga who regained most of the Yezidi territory back. It was his fighters with nothing more than AKs who prevented a bigger massacre on Yezidi and Christian people when the shia Iraqi army left. You are easy to be manipulated by people who tell you fairy tales.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aXIAzUqffA

Alan
20-05-15, 02:10
This little boy lost his father who tried to save the Yezidi Kurds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HNIHmfZFMY

This girl lost her father in the fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E3agk8KQv8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpjS38DFA0


There are dozen more stories of this kind And all you do is sit at home behind your computer and insult these people who lost their beloved once.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:16
double post

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:20
double post

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:22
This little boy lost his father who tried to save the Yezidi Kurds.

This girl lost her father in the fight

There are dozen more stories of this kind And all you do is sit at home behind your computer and insult these people who lost their beloved once.
Don't spread lies! those Kurds were captured/killed in Kirkuk and not in Shengal/Ezdixan at all! Kirkuk is SORAN area and not EZDI area at all!

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:27
Shia Iraqi Army left Shingal helpless when they left without even looking behind. Shia Iraqi Army left Peshmerga helpless when they left all their equipment for the ISIS!
LMAO, it was 10000 Peshmerga that fled/left Shnegal without firing 1 bullet toward Deash on 3 August 2014. There is enough video footage of their BETREYAL! It was Iraqi Army (mostly Sunni (Arabs + Kurds at that time in Mosul) that became Daesh in Mosul. ALl this was a plan of Barzani, Erdogan, Qatar etc.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:35
Sorry, my last post, then I'll wait for some days until my ban is expired!

I've to answer and correct the LIES!



who said Yezidi Kurds attacked other people? For Gods sake get in your head that not all Sunni people are my people! I am defending the Sunni Kurds (basically 70% of the population). YOU are insulting other people.


You don't understand who is your friend and who is fault for this miseray. Shia Iraqi Army left Shingal helpless when they left without even looking behind. Shia Iraqi Army left Peshmerga helpless when they left all their equipment for the ISIS:

If Shia Iraqi Army fought with all the equipment they had instead of leaving the Mosul province. All the Christian and Yezidi Kurds wouldn't had to flee.
You are also ignorant towards the over thousand of Sunni Kurds who died to save the Yezidis. A Kurdish sunni mother alone lost all three of her sons to save the Yezidis.

And this is how you thank her?

you are disrespectful too all people who fight and lost people who fought to help the Yezidi Kurds and Christians. What have you done to save those people that you can talk in this disrespectful manner?

You praise Salih Muslim and the YPG.

See what Salih Muslim says about the Barzanis. So how can you disrespect Barzani? It was his Peshmerga who regained most of the Yezidi territory back. It was his fighters with nothing more than AKs who prevented a bigger massacre on Yezidi and Christian people when the shia Iraqi army left. You are easy to be manipulated by people who tell you fairy tales.

That Kurdish mother lost her sons, But her sons were notKilled in Shengal or Ezdixan, but in other part of Kurdistan near Kirkuk.

You are spreading lies! It was the army of Barzani that left Shengal before the GENOCIDE and gave Shengal to Daesh. Barzani had 10000 Peshmerga in Shengal and all of them fled and betrayed the Ezdi Kurds. They have chosen Daesh, Turkey and Islam over the Ezdi Kurds who belong to the same race as all Kurds.

What happened to those Peshmerga generals and officers who betrayed Shengal and Ezdi Kurds and left/fled Shengal on 3 August 2014? Bbcause of them thousands ofEdi Kurds died. Nothing happened to those officers who betrayed Ezdi Kurds.


That Kurdish mother lost her sons, But her sons were not Killed in Shengal or Ezdixan, but in other part of Kurdistan near Kirkuk.


Barzani soldiers/Peshmerga don't die in Shengal, because they don't fight in Shengal. The only real Kurds that die in Shengal are PKK and Ezdi Kurds.

Alan
20-05-15, 02:40
That Kurdish mother lost her sons, But her sons were notKilled in Shengal or Ezdixan, but in other part of Kurdistan near Kirkuk.

She lost her sons in ZUMAR when they secured the region which is used as route for the Yezidis into Duhok province. Zumar is not in Kirkuk but Ninawa where the Yezidis live. And why do you claim the children lost their parents on the Kirkuk front? Do you know them personally?


The three Peshmerga brothers – Najat Othman, Ahmad Othman and Mawlood Othman – were killed during clashes with IS insurgents attempting to take control of Zumar, northeast Mosul.
http://www.basnews.com/en/news/2015/04/27/mother-of-three-peshmerga-martyrs-to-visit-eu-parliament/

I can't believe how a person can be so ignorant.


You are spreading lies! It was the army of Barzani thatleft Shengal before the GENOCIDE and gave Shengal to Daesh. Barzani had 10000people in Shengal and all of them fled and betrayed the Ezdi Kurds.
Not I am spreading lies you are simply a secterian ignorant individual who has no idea what he is talking about and just repeating what he heard here and there without actual knowledge.

Until Isis penetrated into Iraq. Shingal as part of Ninawa province was in control of IRAQI Shia Army. Your beloved Shia fighters left the Yezidi Kurds to their faith. Peshmerga fighters filled that vacuum so the ISIS didn't spred into the region directly and prevented a bigger massacre. Shia Army also left all their equipment for ISIS to face a Kurdish brigade with AKs.

This are the Shia fighters you are praising.

T
hey havechosen Daesh and Islam over the Ezdi Kurds who belong to the same race as allKurds.

If that is the case why are Kurdish peshmerga fighting for Shingal? Why are Sunni Kurdish YPG fighters fighting for Shingal. You have created your own reality.

What happened to those Peshmerga generals and officerswho betrayed Shengal andEzdi Kurds and left/fled Shengal on 3 August 2014. because of them thousands ofEdi Kurds died. Nothing happened to those officers who betrayed Ezdi Kurds


In a meeting with the Iraqi Kurdistan President in April 24th, people from Sinjar, northern Iraq, whose areas are currently under Islamic State (IS) control, have asked for Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani to liberate and establish a new governorate in Sinjar.
Qassim Smier, the commander of Yazidi Peshmerga forces on Sinjar mountain confirmed to BasNews that “President Barzani has met with the people of Sinjar on 24th of April to discuss the current situation and latest advances of Peshmerga in those areas against IS militants”.
BasNews has learned that one day prior to the meeting, on 23rd of April, President Barzani has had a similar meeting for the same purpose with the local representatives of Shabaks, the ethno-religious group live in Sinjar and Tal Afar districts with Yazidis in Mosul province.
In the meeting Barzani told the Shabaks that “Kurdistan region will do everything possible to liberate their areas from IS militia and help residents return to their own homes”.

He also added “The young Shabaks should also be part of the liberation process by co-operating with the Peshmerga forces to keep their areas safe from IS terror group as we would love to help anyone who are willing to serve the stability of the region under the supervision of KRG’s Ministry of Peshmerga (MoP), on the contrary we will not allow anyone to independently create groups of armed men out of MoP”.
In addition the president stated, “The best choice for Shabaks is to return to their own homes in Tal Afar area with fully supported by Kurdistan regional government”.
On the other side, Mahma Khalid, the Kurdish Yazidi figure who is also a commander of Peshmerga forces in Sinjar revealed that “during their meeting with president Barzani the Yazidis proposed Sinjar to become a new governorate of which Barzani responded positively and promised to work on this case with all the people from these areas”


n the same meeting Barzani also promised that the people who are fault for the Shingal disaster (the commanders) will be taken to responsibility. But not now it would only create unrest. it was in an Ezidi article which I can't find now. If you researched it you would have known all this and there wouldn't be a need for discussion.


That Kurdish mother lost her sons, But her sons were notKilled in Shengal or Ezdixan, but in other part of Kurdistan near Kirkuk.

Don't repeat yourself. Only because you repeat something it doesn't get right. You are one disrespectful lying individual with no shame and respect for people who fight for you.


Barzani soldiers don’t die. They don’t fight. The onlyKurds that die in Shengal are PKK and Ezdi Kurds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxlsPT321Tc
As usual you are living in your own fantasy world because seriously something is damaged up there in your head. You lie permanently. You don't even realize that you insult PKK fighters too when you insult Sunni Kurds that much damaged is your head. Just like how you lied about that mother shamless as you are. And I honestly gave it up on you.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 02:51
I can't post links.



Zumar is NOT Ezdixan and NOT Shengal region at all!!! Don't spread lies!



Before the GENOCIDE Ezdi asked for protection from PKK, but Barzani refused and promissed the Ezdi to help them with his 10000 Peshmerga big army in Shengal. But at the time when Daesh arrived in Shengal, Bazani pulled his army out from Shengal without firing 1 singel bullet and taking all the weapons from Ezdi and gave them to Daesh.

PKK prevented the bigger GENOCIDE by creating a save corridor in Shengal into Rojava! Barzani wanted to kill ALL the Ezdi Kurds in Shengal, but he failed! He and Daesh failed, because tens of PKK guerilla came to rescue the Ezdi Kurds.



Google :


"After Peshmerga pullout, hundreds of missing Iraqi Kurdish Yazidis feared dead"

"Interview with Vian Dakhil: “The Peshmerga must tell the world why they fled” "

Alan
20-05-15, 03:07
I knew that you don't have logic but I didn't knew that you can't read either. I wrote Zumar is in Ninawa, Ninawa is the route used to secure Yezidis. And yes Zumar IS part of the Yezidi land. Why else would they fight there? Have you even watched the video I posted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxlsPT321Tc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGC6_HQlDsc

And why don't you take a statement to why you insult all Sunni Muslims if you are such a fan of PKK?

I swear to got you are completely (I mean seriously) insane. I hope someone bans your IP permanently you are like a Virus.

By the way how many "Last posts" do you want to make ? Is lying part of your personality?

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:08
here is a video on YouTube how "Peshmerga flees Shingar as YPG move in and confont ISIS"

just go to youtube and write this: "Peshmerga flees Shingar as YPG move in ad confont ISIS"

youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxVCfp8CQU

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:10
I knew that you don't have logic but I didn't knew that you can't read either. I wrote Zumar is in Ninawa, Ninawa is the route used to secure Yezidis. Why else would they fight there? Have you even watched the video I posted. I swear to got you are completely (I mean seriously completely) retarded. I hope someone bans your IP permanently you are like a Virus.

By the way how many "Last posts" do you want to make ? Is lying part of your personality?No, you wrote something else. Those mother lost her sons for battle of Zumar and not for Ezdixan/Shengal or the Ezdi Kurd. You're spreading LIES!


I want to reach 10 posts, so I can post a video on how Peshmerga FLED Shengal!

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:14
And why don't you take a statement to why you insult all Sunni Muslims if you are such a fan of PKK?

I swear to got you are completely (I mean seriously) insane. I hope someone bans your IP permanently you are like a Virus.
You don't get it right? PKK is AGAINST Islam!


Because, you are an Islamist and you hate the Ezdi Kurds!

Alan
20-05-15, 03:15
Goga mode : "No I am retarded I don't have any idea of politics or geographic I am just talking out of boredom, I thought Zumar was in Kirkuk. I claim to be a Yezidi and an expert on Yezidi affairs but don't know that Zumar is part of the Yezidi territory".

http://www.kurdishglobe.net/article/DEE1D04B143E9FA35E53947564A46691/Yezidi-mass-grave-found-in-Zumar-following-ISIS-withdrawal.html

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:15
double post

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:16
Goga mode : "No I am retarded I don't have any idea of politics or geographic I am just talking out of boredom, I thought Zumar was in Kirkuk. I claim to be a Yezidi and an expert on Yezidi affairs but don't know that Zumar is part of the Yezidi territory".

http://www.kurdishglobe.net/article/DEE1D04B143E9FA35E53947564A46691/Yezidi-mass-grave-found-in-Zumar-following-ISIS-withdrawal.html

Those graves were of the Ezdi Kurds from Shengal and NOT from Zumar!


What about this?

This is how Peshmerga flees Shengal:


Peshmerga flees Shingar as YPG move in ad confont ISIS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxVCfp8CQU

Alan
20-05-15, 03:17
You don't get it right? PKK is AGAINST Islam!


Because, you are an Islamist and you hate the Ezdi Kurds!


Your memory span is really small. How many times do I need to repeat that even the leader of PYD Salih MUSLIM is a believing Muslim until it get's into your tiny tiny little brain?

Alan
20-05-15, 03:19
Your memory span is really small. How many times do I need to repeat that even the leader of PYD Salih MUSLIM is a believing Muslim until it get's into your tiny tiny little brain?


To the video above. Why didn't they liberate Shingal until the Peshmerga went in for the big offensive. You are simply like a little kid who is so easy to manipulate.

Shingal was under ISIS control until 8000 Peshmerga went on offensive it was all around the knews. Under which stone in which cave were you hiding when this happened?

Now it's enough with your stupidness I am not going to discuss with someone who can't understand simple words.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:19
Your memory span is really small. How many times do I need to repeat that even the leader of PYD Salih MUSLIM is a believing Muslim until it get's into your tiny tiny little brain?Salih Muslim is NOT PKK, he is PYD!


PKK is putting Quran under their feet. PKK doesn't like Islam at all!



Prove how Peshmerga BETRAYED Shengal (Ezdi Kurds) and let DAESH commit a GENOCIDE the Ezdi Kurds!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxVCfp8CQU

Alan
20-05-15, 03:22
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

― George Carlin (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/22782.George_Carlin)

Alan
20-05-15, 03:23
Read on the net what Abdullah Öcalan (who is also Sunni Muslim) says about Islam.

It's my own fault, that I brought you so much into spotlight by taking you serious for a second.


“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

George Carlin

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:26
PKK AGAINST the Islamization of Kurdistan!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4S52O59WMs

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:30
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

George Carlin


OOOPS, this is how Peshmerga BETRAYED Shengal (Ezdi Kurds) and let DAESH, Sunni Muslims, commit a GENOCIDE the Ezdi Kurds for Erdogan!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxVCfp8CQU

Alan
20-05-15, 03:34
PKK against the Islamisation of Kurdistan!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4S52O59WMs


The only thing you have additonally proven me is that you can't speak Kurdish either (Might be the reason why you didn't answer to my Kurdish PM). The man is talking something which is the complete opposite of what you are saying. Just another prove that you are unbelievble.


five typical Goga characteristics

1. Lying
2. small memory capacity
3. no knowledge about the things you are talking
4. interpreting things into statements.
5. Insane

The man in the video is saying he is a believing muslim, that ISIS is using Islam for their own dirty work. Just like all our enemies have done. Since the Ottomans have the Kurds been used under the banner of Islam. Thats what he is saying.

I am out of here.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:38
The only thing you have additonally proven me is that you can't speak Kurdish either (Might be the reason why you didn't answer to my Kurdish PM). The man is talking something which is the complete opposite of what you are saying. Just another prove that you are unbelievble.


five typical Goga characteristics

1. Lying
2. small memory capacity
3. no knowledge about the things you are talking
4. interpreting things into statements.
5. Insane

The man in the video is saying he is a believing muslim, that ISIS is using Islam for their own dirty work. Just like all our enemies have done. Since the Ottomans have the Kurds been used under the banner of Islam. Thats what he is saying.

You are not really a smart fella, aren't you. I'm sure your IQ is very low.

I understand him very well, he is also saying other things to those Imams what you didn't write!


I just said that PKK is against the ISLAMIZATION of Kurdistan. Instead, Barzani is for the ISLAMIZATION of Kurdistan, Barzani build 5000 mosques in a couple of years. While PKK promotes schools instead of mosques.

Ezdi Kurd
20-05-15, 03:43
What you don't understand is that PKK is a MARXIST organisation. MARXISTS are not religious!


OOOPS, this is how Peshmerga BETRAYED Shengal (Ezdi Kurds) and let DAESH, Sunni Muslims, commit a GENOCIDE on the Ezdi Kurds for Erdogan!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTxVCfp8CQU

LeBrok
22-05-15, 08:38
Iraqis are loosing battle for Ramadi.
I think, the problem runs deep to recruitment of soldiers in pre-war period. Instead of choosing the right candidates for the right job, army was a source of steady paying job in economy of misery and high unemployment. One cannot get a good fighting spirit from people who never cared to be a soldier in first place. The biggest problem though is rampant cronyism that effects quality of commanding officers. Most of commanders got their positions from being a friends of top politicians. Again, it was a good paying position for people without any military education, who didn't have a clue how to run an army, how to train soldiers, how to increase morals, or organize defensive and offensive. The consequences for Iraqi's military men are grave and it shows in their performance on a battle field. They are outrun and outmaneuvered by lightly armed, but high spirited, Daesh fighters. Even though the Iraqis are much better armed, and with air support. On top of it they are escaping so fast that they leave behind top class military equipment, and not the first time! A really pathetic picture.
Seems that Iraqis will need much bigger help from Iranian army.

One police officer confirmed that at least 30 U.S. supplied armored Humvees, which had been sent as reinforcements on Saturday, had been abandoned in the neighborhood of Malaab alone.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article21233256.html

PS. Anyone has an idea about numbers of Daesh attacking Ramadi? Perhaps I'm a bit too harsh on Iraqi's army?

Some sources say that Iraqi forces were 10 times more numerous than Daesh, and with better equipment, and still ran away. Disgrace.

Yetos
13-06-15, 23:12
Some sources say that Iraqi forces were 10 times more numerous than Daesh, and with better equipment, and still ran away. Disgrace.

iraqi forces, full equiped by USA and trained, fled?
like in Vietnam? the fully equiped and trained South Vietnamese?

Yetos
13-06-15, 23:17
Anyway,

seems like he battle of batlles in this modern middle East conflict is coming,

After Kombani seems like the cut the line will be in Tell Abyad or Akca-Kalle
it is a strategical point for the future of all in the area,

Alan
14-06-15, 00:09
Anyway,

seems like he battle of batlles in this modern middle East conflict is coming,

After Kombani seems like the cut the line will be in Tell Abyad or Akca-Kalle
it is a strategical point for the future of all in the area,

The Kurdish forces are already in front of the doors.

While the Arab settlers who were brought there by ISIS to change the demographics try to flee. ISIS is catching them like sheeps and forcing them to get back or shoot them all infront of Turkish soldiers again.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11250988_1459948204317466_6206518921369553775_n.jp g?oh=c0686f7b6154881c142c967d4f21965f&oe=56346759

Sile
14-06-15, 02:11
The Kurdish forces are already in front of the doors.

While the Arab settlers who were brought there by ISIS to change the demographics try to flee. ISIS is catching them like sheeps and forcing them to get back or shoot them all infront of Turkish soldiers again.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11250988_1459948204317466_6206518921369553775_n.jp g?oh=c0686f7b6154881c142c967d4f21965f&oe=56346759

Sunni Turks with Sunni IsiD funded scum are trying to remove coptic, christian and SHIA moslem from Syria and Irak.........................Ottomans .v. Persians wars from 15th century again

Alan
14-06-15, 02:32
Sunni Turks with Sunni IsiD funded scum are trying to remove coptic, christian and SHIA moslem from Syria and Irak.........................Ottomans .v. Persians wars from 15th century again

I think you misunderstood a little bit. This here is directed towards the Kurds. Gire Spie (tel Abyad) is Kurdish land. It is under ISIS control now. They settled Arabs there to change demographics. Kurds are on the march and infront of the city. Turkey has started sending them weapons again (Catched by Cameras, one of the agent even said "Why are you filming us, we are serving our country interests).

The settlers who took the houses of mostly Kurds (some Christians and other included) are now trying to flee before the Kurdish forces arrive. ISIS is trying to stop them from fleeing like sheeps and Turkish soldiers are securing the border so no one can cross it and are silently watching how ISIS forces the civilians to do what they say or shoot them.

LeBrok
14-06-15, 20:56
iraqi forces, full equiped by USA and trained, fled?
like in Vietnam? the fully equiped and trained South Vietnamese?
I rote about this problem here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30161-Free-and-independent-Kurdistan-is-coming-soon?p=457321&viewfull=1#post457321

Alan
15-06-15, 00:55
It is accomplished Kurdish forces have taken Gire Spi (Tall Abyad) from IS and connected Kurdish territory.

Next step it seems is Raqqa city itself (capital of ISIS in Syria)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHeukFOUwAE5Q4Y.jpg:large




Kurdish fighters seize Islamic State stronghold of Tal Abyad: report
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/74804-150613-kurdish-fighters-seize-islamic-state-stronghold-of-tal-abyad-report

Rethel
15-06-15, 01:33
I wasn't present here for long time, and you are still talking about this... I'm shocked :)

LeBrok
15-06-15, 07:35
It is accomplished Kurdish forces have taken Gire Spi (Tall Abyad) from IS and connected Kurdish territory.

Next step it seems is Raqqa city itself (capital of ISIS in Syria)





Kurdish fighters seize Islamic State stronghold of Tal Abyad: report


http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/74804-150613-kurdish-fighters-seize-islamic-state-stronghold-of-tal-abyad-report

Way to go!!!

Alan
15-06-15, 21:17
After fleeing Gire Spi(Tal Abyad) ISIS terrorist "surrenders" to Turkish soldiers with a smile on his face. Turkish soldier seems to find this situation funny too.

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11244710_1616574601955387_6760693588666186651_n.jp g?oh=ed8c8a122b3bc7518864f62f9e8434d2&oe=562ADCE7

Rethel
15-06-15, 21:24
After fleeing Gire Spi(Tal Abyad) ISIS terrorist "surrenders" to Turkish soldiers
with a smile on his face. Turkish soldier seems to find this situation funny too.

So everybody is happy. :)
This is good, isn't it? :)

Alan
15-06-15, 21:28
So everybody is happy. :)
This is good, isn't it? :)

Yep I would also be happy if knew I am now save in friendly hands. :)

Alan
25-06-15, 15:20
ISIS attack on Kobani again, and again through the Turkish border.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11697764/Isil-reenters-key-Syria-border-town-of-Kobane-live.html
Turkey 'let Isil cross border to attack Kobane': live


This time Turkish soldiers were caught(Turkish special forces and MIT agents were caught in the past too but disguised as ISIS)
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11667374_824305691009653_18197012012496426_n.jpg?o h=2618db3e9d3a1a94b1ee1147331a44a3&oe=561C247C


How many times has the Turkish government actually called "YPG a bigger threat than ISIS". Who is still doubting that Turkey is aiding those guys?

Alan
25-06-15, 16:45
Video of how the suicide truck crosses the Turkish border without any problems it seems.

https://www.facebook.com/pdpks.halab/videos/857382861011904/

LeBrok
26-06-15, 02:55
I've already suspected Turkey about double play in this regard. They don't support ISIS publicly but they create a very porous boarder where supplies are getting through and new IS recruits from around the world can get through.

Alan
26-06-15, 11:02
I've already suspected Turkey about double play in this regard. They don't support ISIS publicly but they create a very porous boarder where supplies are getting through and new IS recruits from around the world can get through.

Many times have ISIS fighters who have been caught turned out as Turkish agents and soldiers with their IDs to be able to pass the border easier as even regular ISIS members do.

Alan
26-06-15, 22:52
video shows Turkish Government Arming ISIS & sending them to kobane

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1252304

John Doe
26-06-15, 22:54
video shows Turkish Government Arming ISIS & sending them to kobane

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1252304

What are they speaking, Turkish? No subtitles.

P.S Suppose this is from a while back, since ISIS have not been present in Kobane for a couple of months since the Peshmerga/YPG kicked them out.

P.P.S I thought things would change now that Erdogan no longer has a majority in Ankara, FFS isn't the Kurdish party doing something? Didn't they win lots of votes from non Kurds who oppose the Islamist AK party?

LeBrok
27-06-15, 02:23
I'm not sure if we can implicate Turkish government or officials, yet. I mean in creating unofficial support for IS. They might act as enablers and sympathizers though, looking through their fingers, not coming down strongly on IS cells in Turkey, not blocking weapon shipment, etc.

LeBrok
27-06-15, 02:26
P.P.S I thought things would change now that Erdogan no longer has a majority in Ankara, FFS isn't the Kurdish party doing something? Didn't they win lots of votes from non Kurds who oppose the Islamist AK party?
They just got involved in parliament recently as minority. I doubt, that they have any access to government documents, policies, or any influence on what Turkish army and secret service is doing.

Alan
27-06-15, 04:21
What are they speaking, Turkish? No subtitles.

P.S Suppose this is from a while back, since ISIS have not been present in Kobane for a couple of months since the Peshmerga/YPG kicked them out.

P.P.S I thought things would change now that Erdogan no longer has a majority in Ankara, FFS isn't the Kurdish party doing something? Didn't they win lots of votes from non Kurds who oppose the Islamist AK party?

It was enough to stop Erdogan from changing to an Presidental System. It isn't enough to do much, especially if all this is happening behind close doors.It is a new wave of ISIS attacks and they come just after Erdogan said "they would never allow a Kurdish state in Syria". Thats no coincidence.

John Doe
27-06-15, 07:25
It was enough to stop Erdogan from changing to an Presidental System. It isn't enough to do much, especially if all this is happening behind close doors.It is a new wave of ISIS attacks and they come just after Erdogan said "they would never allow a Kurdish state in Syria". Thats no coincidence.
Wouldn't be surprised if they're funding IS, the AK party are fundamentalist Islamists.

Alan
27-06-15, 10:46
Wouldn't be surprised if they're funding IS, the AK party are fundamentalist Islamists.
It's not only the AKP Party( (it got worse withing the last years though) . Turkeys government has a history of supporting dubious organisations against Kurds. in the 90s they were funding Turkeys Hezbollah Movement to counter PKK influence on the region. The Hezbollah movement was known for it's brutality.

LeBrok
28-06-15, 20:04
Good news, Kobane is already cleaned out off IS terrorists. The last attack seems a very desperate in nature, a failed attempt and an illusion, that IS is able to create any sizable offensive. However unlikely it might seems, when considering reports about army of fighters arriving there from around the world, they might be running out the fighters. IS have a very long front line, a price to pay when one declares a war on every neighboring country and ethnicity.
They need to fight around Syria, man the border with Jordan, many thousands are fighting Kurds, many more fight Shia Iraqis, plus they fight many Sunni tribes who don't like them, and last but not least, it takes an army of people to keep all the conquered population in constant control and fear. Thy have tens of thousands of fighters, but they are stretched to a braking point.
Shortage of fighters could be behind the change of their tactics. Recent attacks on Ramadi, Kobane and others, carry more of a resemblance to terrorist attacks, with small groups of suicide bombers, than attack of a regular army. They can't use their heavy equipment either. It was drastically reduced by ally bombing campaign, and what is left is hidden away for protection. They can't even move around big battalions of men with equipment, for tactical and offensive purposes, or they would be destroyed from the air.
For the lack of equipment and man power they need to rely more on terror attacks than ever before.
I think their offensive is over, they are grinding down to a halt. From no one we should see IS retreating and losing territory. They should collapse in a year. Allies main objectives should be delivering heavy weapons to Kurds, whipping Iraqis soldiers into something resembling a fighting army, and making sure Turkey plays fair.

I wonder what will happen with all the land in Syria, which possibly will be liberated by Kurds and Iraqis/Iranians? Surly they won't give it to Assad, right? I'm only sure about Kurdish part, the rest will be up for grabs and new power vacuum straggle.

Sile
28-06-15, 20:52
Talk is that the states for the kurds and assyrians will form ( some form of buffer states, keeping the "ottomans" seperated from the "Persians" )..............they only need to worry about the Isis supporter - the Turkish president and what he will do.

LeBrok
28-06-15, 21:34
Talk is that the states for the kurds and assyrians will form ( some form of buffer states, keeping the "ottomans" seperated from the "Persians" )..............they only need to worry about the Isis supporter - the Turkish president and what he will do.

Apart from Kurdistan, there will be at least 2 new states, one in liberated from Assad and IS part of Syria, the other in Sunni part of Iraq. Possibly the region will be fractured into many small and independent regions and states. Even Kurdistan might not be one solid country. I'm hoping for a federation of Kurdish provinces due to different religious and ethnic backgrounds of Kurds, which makes it hard to unite. Not one monolithic country, which is unrealistic and impossible without long civil war and a dictator, but strongly cooperating union of provinces under one federal government. It should be most stable form of governance for them.

Alan
29-06-15, 00:48
Apart from Kurdistan, there will be at least 2 new states, one in liberated from Assad and IS part of Syria, the other in Sunni part of Iraq. Possibly the region will be fractured into many small and independent regions and states. Even Kurdistan might not be one solid country. I'm hoping for a federation of Kurdish provinces due to different religious and ethnic backgrounds of Kurds, which makes it hard to unite. Not one monolithic country, which is unrealistic and impossible without long civil war and a dictator, but strongly cooperating union of provinces under one federal government. It should be most stable form of governance for them.

What you mean is basically a United States/peovinces system. Well Iraqi/Syrian Kurdistan are drifting in that way with provinces taking care of their own. But if you mean not being one solid country in being many different, I have to disagree strongly.

The biggest problem of Kurds since several hundred years is, that Kurds were divided in Kurdish principalities/tribal confederations and not united in one strong Kurdish nation. In the current Near East you need to be one united power. Especially now when we Kurds have finally build up some kind of national unity. This is what the enemies of Kurdistan feared and fear the most.

However if you mean a "lose provincal" state system. Thats something different.


Syria from the current situation might be divided into 3-4 states. an Alawite/Assad Syria corresponding to the historic "Syrian territory". A Sunni state corresponding to the Sunni Arab regions merging with Sunni regions in Iraq, a Kurdish state in North all allong the border. And possibly a Druze state in the South.

There is a strip of land in the southern part of Hassake where Assyrians make up a small majorty. This might become a possible Assyrian state. However an Assyrian state seems more plausible in North Iraq, on the southern borders of Iraqi Kurdistan on the Niniveh plains, though but only if they cooperate with Kurdistan otherwise they will be crushed within a day by the Iraqi chauvinist extremists who lay claim on the region as "theirs".

Yetos
30-06-15, 22:52
What you mean is basically a United States system. Well Iraqi/Syrian Kurdistan are drifting in that way with provinces taking care of their own. But if you mean not being one solid country in being many different, I have to disagree strongly.

The biggest problem of Kurds since a thousand years is, thats Kurds were divided in Kurdish principalities/tribal confederations and not united in one strong Kurdish nation. In the current Near East you need to be one united power. Especially now when we Kurds have finally build up some kind of national unity. This is what the enemies of Kurdistan feared and fear the most.

However if you mean a "lose provincal" state system. Thats something different.


Syria from the current situation might be divided into aat least four states. an Alawite/Assad Syria corresponding to the historic "Syrian territory". A Sunni state corresponding to the Sunni Arab regions, a Kurdish state in North all allong the border. And possibly a Druze state in the South.

There is a strip of land in the southern part of Hassake where Assyrians make up a small majorty. This might become a possible Assyrian state. However an Assyrian state seems more plausible in North Iraq, on the southern borders of Iraqi Kurdistan on the Niniveh plains, though but only if they cooperate with Kurdistan otherwise they will be crushed within a day by the Iraqi chauvinist extremists who take claim on the region as "theirs".

it is good to hear that from a Kurd,

that kurds might be united and not divided in states,
however you must agree that this needs lots of work to be done,
and annex of religion and political parties,
though it is possible in a confederation or a union with respect to the others culture,

anyway I hope solution and peace reach the lands there soon enough.

LeBrok
01-07-15, 07:53
What you mean is basically a United States/peovinces system. Well Iraqi/Syrian Kurdistan are drifting in that way with provinces taking care of their own. But if you mean not being one solid country in being many different, I have to disagree strongly.

The biggest problem of Kurds since several hundred years is, that Kurds were divided in Kurdish principalities/tribal confederations and not united in one strong Kurdish nation. In the current Near East you need to be one united power. Especially now when we Kurds have finally build up some kind of national unity. This is what the enemies of Kurdistan feared and fear the most.

I agree that one strong Kurdistan would be the best protection for all Kurds. Kurds are rather tolerant people and one united Kurdistan is a viable possibility. However, it remains to be seen, if participating provinces and power centers will agree on one form of federal government. Creation of a country is a messy process.

LeBrok
22-07-15, 08:06
In Season 2 of Tyrant Caliphate (ISIS) attacks the kingdom. Kind of eerie to watch it. Current Near East political situation extrapolated on fictional characters. Almost too close for comfort. It adds an extra emotional level. It never happened to me before.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/tyrant/s02/

Angela
22-07-15, 15:01
In Season 2 of Tyrant Caliphate (ISIS) attacks the kingdom. Kind of eerie to watch it. Current Near East political situation extrapolated on fictional characters. Almost too close for comfort. It adds an extra emotional level. It never happened to me before.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/tyrant/s02/

I've been watching it faithfully. Excellent.

Piro Ilir
22-07-15, 16:08
First thing I wish to say is: I hope as soon as possible that they should be free.

Arame
25-07-15, 10:00
Kurds are the major force in anti-ISIS coalition. And now Turkey bombs Kurdish positions.


The Turkish PM’s office has said their fighter jets bombed seven militant Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) targets in Northern Iraq, AFP reported. Kurdish forces have been battling the Islamic State militants for months.



https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/

(https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/)

LeBrok
25-07-15, 21:56
Kurds are the major force in anti-ISIS coalition. And now Turkey bombs Kurdish positions.





https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/

(https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/)
That's right. Turkey is scared of rise of Kurdistan and will use every opportunity to disrupt the process. I'm just stunned that they unleashed their bombing campaign at PKK so aggressively. This might spill into a domestic war in Turkey again. Quite an opposite of what Turkeys goal is. Unless their true goal is to provoke the war with PKK, and use this pretext to send Turkish army to occupy Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan?

Yetos
01-08-15, 22:31
That's right. Turkey is scared of rise of Kurdistan and will use every opportunity to disrupt the process. I'm just stunned that they unleashed their bombing campaign at PKK so aggressively. This might spill into a domestic war in Turkey again. Quite an opposite of what Turkeys goal is. Unless their true goal is to provoke the war with PKK, and use this pretext to send Turkish armyhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#50399414) to occupy Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan?

I think they use the old map of terrorists in order to benefit,
I do not know which is their main purpose,,
but if continoues or advance in bigger scale soon Turkey will face problems,

I can not say something,
Geopolitical strategies on oil production and roads,
well we will see soon,
simply more immigrants to EU for now,

LeBrok
02-08-15, 00:25
I think they use the old map of terrorists in order to benefit,
I do not know which is their main purpose,,
but if continoues or advance in bigger scale soon Turkey will face problems,

We might have bigger mess in Near East for some time. We have few big players now involved in this conflict: Turkey, Iran and Saudis. If they are not careful we might have fully fledged war of Shia against Sunni throughout the whole region.




I can not say something,
Geopolitical strategies on oil production and roads,
well we will see soon,
simply more immigrants to EU for now, You are right with this one. More emigrants are coming. Time to open a business in Greece. You will have an army of cheap laborers from all the emigrants.

Yetos
02-08-15, 21:33
You are right with this one. More emigrants are coming. Time to open a business in Greece. You will have an army of cheap laborers from all the emigrants.

yeah good idea,
I will buy a truck and make hidden places to hide them,
then I will pass them through Calais tunnel,
I will be rich,
but I will be a slave merchant, and this is bad,

LeBrok
03-08-15, 01:15
yeah good idea,
I will buy a truck and make hidden places to hide them,
then I will pass them through Calais tunnel,
I will be rich,
but I will be a slave merchant, and this is bad,
I think your dark side showed up again. I was talking about being a businessman and employing people in a need. Both sides would benefit.

Yetos
03-08-15, 04:18
I think your dark side showed up again. I was talking about being a businessman and employing peoplehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#96094354) in a need. Both sides would benefit.

and I was humoring,
you see the most easy business is to make bad jobs,
anyway it is not a good time to start business in Greece today
either for economical reason and unstability,
either for the possible war,

anyway, I am thinking to go back to business as before, and quit my temporary job,
but will be after 2-3 years and according the economical relations of state with ECB,

DuPidh
03-08-15, 06:41
That's right. Turkey is scared of rise of Kurdistan and will use every opportunity to disrupt the process. I'm just stunned that they unleashed their bombing campaign at PKK so aggressively. This might spill into a domestic war in Turkey again. Quite an opposite of what Turkeys goal is. Unless their true goal is to provoke the war with PKK, and use this pretext to send Turkish army to occupy Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan?


Any Turkish-Kurdish war inside Turkey at its best would mean a Pyrrhic victory for Kurd's. Turkey is a military power and can do a lot of damage. It can cleanse for good Kurds where they are not a pronounced majority. Turkey has a lot of support in USA and Europe. If they start to behave bad in the war nobody can stop them.

Piro Ilir
03-08-15, 13:27
Kurds are the major force in anti-ISIS coalition. And now Turkey bombs Kurdish positions.





https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/

(https://www.rt.com/news/310721-turkey-attacks-isis-kurds/)
Erdogan will face soon the new elections. All this is happening because he wants to stay in power as long as possible. He is using all his resources to win the new elections.

Rethel
07-08-15, 23:43
How large is REALLY population of Kurds in Turkey?

And how many of them want to create independent Kurdistan?

Alan
08-08-15, 03:10
The turkish police, in cooperation with ISIS figthers have started to bombard a Kurdish city, Silopi inside it's own borders.
state of Emergency has been declared after three young Kurds (one of them son of a deputy of the Kurdish party among them) were killed by Turkish Police/ISIS. So much to Turkeys fight against ISIS.

Sure thats why not a single suicide attack has yet started in Turkey against Turkish officials or police like the billions happening in Iraq and Syria. Only a blind fool believes that Turkey is fighting ISIS.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11825041_1039618486049334_3880899741686630438_n.jp g?oh=d56efcde0239e132b64bd5d382f37b7c&oe=5635679A

Isis is spreading around this paper at homes in the city which says "this flag will controll the Southeast".

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11855711_429926780528301_921084164367543655_n.jpg? oh=f0797e43cc1eee3977021513fddc88a2&oe=5638279D


Turkish army has started burning down Kurdish homes very muclh 80s style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_villages_depopulated_by_Turkey

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11825052_1034133593294055_1513380494340130710_n.jp g?oh=bb4ffa4fdff6b0b9fa4857fbf70cdb05&oe=564928DDhttps://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11846778_1026553354022201_235078555267199900_n.jpg ?oh=958b6898dd6d94d614f24c0fa3ee01b6&oe=56802336

This is Silopi in Southeast Turkey and not Syria or Kobane.

It seems like the Turkish government is for an all out war on Kurds. The Kurdish youth has started to arm themselves and it seems to go into Civil war. So much for the peace process: It was never the intention of the government.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11203045_839300452832637_2103163140230080611_n.jpg ?oh=0f2e62e2ee5d1d178636aa9ac8c9e9f7&oe=5655DB47

Not good, really not good.

Alan
08-08-15, 03:19
Some of the Turkish Police members in Urfa (to which the 2 Officers belonged who got killed by PKK in revenge) are shouting towards Kobane Protestors, "Long live ISIS".
So much to the "innocent Turkish police murdered by PKK". Whole Urfa is full of ISIS fighters it is a crossroad for them towards Kobane. The Police is well known by the locals to cooperate with ISIS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fJxQYVxws

LeBrok
08-08-15, 05:40
The turkish police, in cooperation with ISIS figthers have started to bombard a Kurdish city, Silopi inside it's own borders.
state of Emergency has been declared after three young Kurds (one of them son of a deputy of the Kurdish party among them) were killed by Turkish Police/ISIS. So much to Turkeys fight against ISIS.

Sure thats why not a single suicide attack has yet started in Turkey against Turkish officials or police like the billions happening in Iraq and Syria. Only a blind fool believes that Turkey is fighting ISIS.




Not good, really not good. Exactly what I said reading your post. Not good, really not good. I was hoping for a little bit more time for Kurdistan to come about before Turkey would get scared and attack. Not good.
I didn't expect Turkey would take initiative so fast. It is so hard to predict the outcome. It might backfire in their face.

LeBrok
08-08-15, 05:44
Some of the Turkish Police members in Urfa (to which the 2 Officers belonged who got killed by PKK in revenge) are shouting towards Kobane Protestors, "Long live ISIS".
So much to the "innocent Turkish police murdered by PKK". Whole Urfa is full of ISIS fighters it is a crossroad for them towards Kobane. The Police is well known by the locals to cooperate with ISIS.
I wonder if Turkey, or Erdogan, is dreaming about taking over ISIS revolution and become new Ottoman/Caliphate empire in Near East. The connection is Sunni religion perhaps? At least Turkey feels some unity with ISIS in this regard.

Boreas
08-08-15, 09:24
How large is REALLY population of Kurds in Turkey?

And how many of them want to create independent Kurdistan?

15 million (one of the max guess)

Wanting Independent Kurdistan is not option which is really speaking loud? so It is hard to say something.

Boreas
08-08-15, 10:09
ALAN

Will you also mention about which side broke the ceasefire?

Alan
08-08-15, 12:19
15 million (one of the max guess)



18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.

Alan
08-08-15, 12:23
ALAN

Will you also mention about which side broke the ceasefire?

Sure I will. Do you mean the milion occassions on which the Turkish army started to fire at Kurdish civilians and provoke an attack since the last three years? Or do you mean the joke of an excuse that two racist pro ISIS police officers were killed after year long provocation. Or maybe you mean the time when Turkish state were giving not only ISIS free passage but also weapons despite having a peace process with Kurds?

So this is the Turkish way of peace process. Turkey is allowed to kill Kurdish civilians and suppoert ISIS against them but Kurds should never dare to put up a finger towards Turkish officers. Is that what you try to say?

Don't even start the mind game mate. No one here is going to believe that nonsense that.
And there are dozens of such examples that happened the last three years during the peace process. Don't even try to distract from the main point mate, simply that Turkey is not fighting ISIS but cooperating with them, still!.

All the few alleged attacks on ISIS by Turkey are just reports from Turkish government itself and have no confirmation or what so ever. But all attacks on Kurdish villagers and Kurdish fighters are confirmed by non profit organisations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f5-TM-67Gg

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/16/exclusive-captured-documents-prove-turkish-alliance-with-isis/

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/syrian-kurdish-mother-killed-turkish-border.html#

http://aranews.net/2015/04/turkish-border-guards-accused-of-violations-against-displaced-syrians/

(http://aranews.net/2015/04/turkish-border-guards-accused-of-violations-against-displaced-syrians/)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft9NU1rDkSQ

Boreas
08-08-15, 16:44
18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.

There is no official race statistic in Turkey. Even BBC says 25 - 35 million in Middle East. They are talking 10 million difference so it is not clear.

I was using current data. However even now some sources say, more then 20 millions. You can take which number you like it.

Boreas
08-08-15, 17:50
Sure I will.

You said, you will, but I didn't



Do you mean the milion occassions on which the Turkish army started to fire at Kurdish civilians and provoke an attack since the last three years? Or do you mean the joke of an excuse that two racist pro ISIS police officers were killed after year long provocation. Or maybe you mean the time when Turkish state were giving not only ISIS free passage but also weapons despite having a peace process with Kurds?

about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Sovvet War.



Don't even start the mind game mate.

No one here is going to believe that nonsense that.
And there are dozens of such examples that happened the last three years during the peace process. Don't even try to distract from the main point mate, simply that Turkey is not fighting ISIS but cooperating with them, still!.



You are the one who act like an angry monkey. Talking from Germany is very easy.

Be mature, think wisely, not from your religious or ethnic perspective.

The area is just battle field of two axis of world, Kurds, Yezidi, Arabs or Turkmens are nothing.

At the begining of the War, West directly supported rebels in Syria. However Turkey tried to make dialog with Assad which is the only good policy of Erdoğan in Syria case.

But sides were in begining of the war so each side wants to fight. Russia blocked every movement. Obama goverment didn't have much power in this time(he gained the election not very easily) and West spent their war wish in Libya, so they chose to feed rebels and hoped that they could handle it.

even they didn't do anything about no-fly zone in Syria wish of Turkey which could prevent massive immigration waves.

Now after the election in 7th June, new goverment can't be set up. During the all this time PKK accused HPD not being enough tough and made aggresive explanations all time and now they broke the ceasefire.

Keep your words for the family of Kurdish who died because of PKK attack in his millitary service.

http://www.tv5haber.com/resimler/images/AW493619_15.jpg

As a guy who vote for Kurd-Left block in Turkey, I am feeling deep regret. They don't stand a violence when it come from Kurds as they did against state violence, against Erdoğan.

DuPidh
08-08-15, 18:34
18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.
what really matters is not how many Kurds live in Turkey, but how many Kurds live in the areas where Kurds are majority. If let say 3 million Kurds live in Istambul they are simply a statistic because they will not get anything political from what other people in the area have. It also matters how many Kurds want independence or autonomy because I am sure there is a part of Kurdish population that has good life under Turkish regime.
But my guess is that in the areas where Kurds are majority it could be at best 10 million Kurds. You will never take areas where Kurds are less than 50%.

LeBrok
08-08-15, 18:37
You said, you will, but I didn't



about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Soviet War.


Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.

Yetos
08-08-15, 19:08
You said, you will, but I didn't



about ISIS,

All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Sovvet War.


That is a big Truth,

when I was saying that DAESH easily found modern military equipment,
while other Arab rabels in Arab spring did not,
when I was talking that Arab spring was a guided action,
nobody believe me,
thank you,
cause at least one more in Forum know many of behind the scenes,
your above state has a big part of truth

Yetos
08-08-15, 19:12
@ to all,

Guys Daesh has a second to play,
the SAUDs,
the old king is dead,
and the new one has a health problem,
soon power will pass to a person who is friendly to Mullas,
and already a fitvah has given to him, by what I hear,
soon this war will pass inside Saudis,
and that can bring many problem,

LeBrok
09-08-15, 02:31
That is a big Truth,

when I was saying that DAESH easily found modern military equipment They got it from Iraqi's Army running away or joining Daesh.

while other Arab rabels in Arab spring did not,
when I was talking that Arab spring was a guided action,
nobody believe me,
thank you,
cause at least one more in Forum know many of behind the scenes,
your above state has a big part of truth Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be free and liberate themselves from Tyrants?

Boreas
09-08-15, 07:07
Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.

What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”"

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=23265

and also similary all islamist group in Syria didn't attack civils at first.


As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/5429363)

Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.

so STOP LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT

John Doe
09-08-15, 07:43
What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”"

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=23265

and also similary all islamist group in Syria didn't attack civils at first.


As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/5429363)

Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.

so STOP LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT
That still doesn't clear Turkey from its treatment of the Kurds, its occupation of northern Cyprus, its government's denial of the Armenian genocide and its blunt hypocrisy towards many issues (such as calling the PKK terrorists while at the same time calling Hamas freedom fighters).

Boreas
09-08-15, 08:54
That still doesn't clear Turkey from its treatment of the Kurds, its occupation of northern Cyprus, its government's denial of the Armenian genocide and its blunt hypocrisy towards many issues (such as calling the PKK terrorists while at the same time calling Hamas freedom fighters).

Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas

Yetos
09-08-15, 09:17
They got it from Iraqi's Armyhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#45346538) running away or joining Daesh.
Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be freehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#22392652) and liberate themselves from Tyrants?

no,

they got it from unprotected military warehouses
when US and Allies left Iraq, they did not took all equipment,
neither sell it neither gave it all to nearby,
they storage it,

DAESh knew where, it was storaged and where was unprotected,
and easily took access and position of that equipment,
we have the oposite strategy of 'burned land'
DAESh found fertile and full grown land when started,
why?
cause they needed DAESH against Hassant of Syrria,
but seems DAESH turn to autonomus


Anyway, rumors here say that the siblings of Prophet will try to restore Prophet's heritage,
meaning that this conflict will soon take bigger dimensions

LeBrok
09-08-15, 09:29
What a nice pink world :grin:

The Snowden documents contend that British, American and Israeli intelligence created ISIS as “a terrorist organization capable of centralizing all extremist actions across the world,” using a strategy called Hornet’s Nest, designed to “protect Israel.” According to the documents, “the only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders.”"
The Israel already had enemies around their borders, why would they needed more? Besides, cite Snowden documents and not opinions of others.



As per the details released by the Israel’s health ministry, so far some 1,000 Syrians have been treated in four Israeli hospitals. Besides the civilians, some are members of the secular Free Syrian Army rebel group.Israel initially had maintained that it was treating only civilians. However, reports claimed that earlier last month members of Israel’s Druze minority protested the hospitalisation of wounded Syrian fighters from the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front in Israel.A statement issued by a group of Druze activists accused the Israeli government of supporting radical Sunni factions such as the Islamic State (ISIS).http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/542936 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-report-israel-supports-syrian-al-qaeda-rebels-including-the-islamic-state-isis/5429363)

Ok, so now Israel is the West? I thought you meant Europe and US, as the West. I hope you noticed that Obama and Natanyahu are not friends.


Turkey is not enough big player or enough smart to create a organisation like ISIS.Nobody said that Turkey created ISIS. I'm saying that Turkey sympathetic to ISIS.

LeBrok
09-08-15, 09:35
no,

they got it from unprotected military warehouses
when US and Allies left Iraq, they did not took all equipment,
neither sell it neither gave it all to nearby,
they storage it, They left equipment in Iraq, not in Caliphate.


DAESh knew where, it was storaged and where was unprotected,
and easily took access and position of that equipment,
we have the oposite strategy of 'burned land'
DAESh found fertile and full grown land when started,They knew it was in Iraq and went there to get it.
why?

cause they needed DAESH against Hassant of Syrria,
but seems DAESH turn to autonomusNo idea what you mean.



Anyway, rumors here say that the siblings of Prophet will try to restore Prophet's heritage,
meaning that this conflict will soon take bigger dimensionsRumor here is that you believe in rumors.

Yetos
09-08-15, 09:46
They left equipment in Iraq, not in Caliphate.

They knew it was in Iraq and went there to get it.
why?
No idea what you mean.


Rumor here is that you believe in rumors.

it is simple
when US left Iraq,
they store military equipment and ammunition in storages,
cause they propably use it in nearby future,
Hasant of Syria, was a pain in the ass to some,
I am not say he is the saint, as I am not saying he is the evil,
all Arab springs succeded except Syria,
so they gave guns to rabels, by allowing them to loot unprotected warehouses
but when they took it they become ISIL/DAESH

about the rumors,
let me have some behind the scenes infos,

Yetos
09-08-15, 09:47
Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas

interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 20:36
I wonder if Turkey, or Erdogan, is dreaming about taking over ISIS revolution and become new Ottoman/Caliphate empire in Near East. The connection is Sunni religion perhaps? At least Turkey feels some unity with ISIS in this regard.
It's too complicated.
The Sunny religion is divided in different branches. As I know not all the Turks are sunny. There are many different interests. Isn't a huge mess

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 20:37
There is a huge mess

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 20:44
18 milion it was 14 milion 20 years ago. The Population of Turkey has grown since than by at least 5-6 mio. Kurds with the higher birth rate surely at least 50% of this.
Within how many political or groups they are organized. I know PKK, but are there other Kurdish groups? I mean throughout the region, including Iraq, Iran and Syria

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 21:02
Exactly the opposite. We didn't want to engage in Syrian war because we didn't know what opposition to support, ISIS being among them. ISIS are mass murderers, psychopathic leaders, religious fanatics, misogynists, all the West is against. ISIS also declares that the West is their biggest enemy. What support for ISIS you are talking about?
On other hand it seems that Turkey, if not supporting, is rather friendly with ISIS. And this is scary. What are the Turkey's true intentions in Near East?

Al-Qaeda was supported only by US to fight against Soviets, the common enemy. Al-Qaeda was also in their early years when they didn't declare their full intentions and war against the West.
USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 21:05
@ to all,

Guys Daesh has a second to play,
the SAUDs,
the old king is dead,
and the new one has a health problem,
soon power will pass to a person who is friendly to Mullas,
and already a fitvah has given to him, by what I hear,
soon this war will pass inside Saudis,
and that can bring many problem,
You mean that ISIS will attack saudia state? Can you elaborate more?

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 21:08
They got it from Iraqi's Army running away or joining Daesh.
Like it is hard to imagine that people want to be free and liberate themselves from Tyrants?
Of course there are people who wants to live in freedom. Yetos is looking gosts all over

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 21:14
Which coutry doesn't act hypocrisily?

Kosova can be independent country but not Abkhazia. One of them supporting by USA, one of them Russia.

Unfortunately, each country faces with own dilemmas
What about Crimea? Crimea got her independence and joined the Russia. Today is a Russian province.
(I think Russia invaded Crimea)

Piro Ilir
09-08-15, 21:20
interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?
Why you think he is an Albanian?

Boreas
10-08-15, 01:05
"
The Israel already had enemies around their borders, why would they needed more? Besides, cite Snowden documents and not opinions of others.

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55160749.jpg
Just keep your curosity and search



Ok, so now Israel is the West? I thought you meant Europe and US, as the West. I hope you noticed that Obama and Natanyahu are not friends.


Yeah Israel always be the part of Western Politics. Even Majority in Israel is European Jews so, Israel is in West group as Australia


interesting vocabulary,
Are you an Albanian, an Arnaut?

Is it beacuse of Kosova, instead of Kosovo? The name of the country is Kosova in Turkish as in Albanian language

No, I am not. My ancestry is Turk and from Bulgarian and Greece. At least this is what I know. However my genetics test says some far slavic and armenian relatives.


USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda was found just one year before the end of the Soviet-Afghan War. Islamist Mujahideen fighters were core of the first Al-Qaeda


What about Crimea? Crimea got her independence and joined the Russia. Today is a Russian province.
(I think Russia invaded Crimea)

Yes, it is similar. There is no ethic or rule just the big guys shape the world.

LeBrok
10-08-15, 01:37
Of course there are people who wants to live in freedom. Yetos is looking gosts all over
Yes, he can see conspiracies everywhere.

LeBrok
10-08-15, 01:38
USA supported the mujahideen fighters, not al-Qaeda. Al- Qaeda was founded later. You guys are confusing the periods. Bin Laden was a volunteer in Afghanistan against the Soviets as many others. After the fell of communism Bin Laden and the Egyptian El Zahwairi formed the Al Qaeda.
You are right. Thanks for correction.

LeBrok
10-08-15, 01:45
Just keep your curosity and search

I'm not the one who brings extraordinary claims. The proof lies on the claimant, you.




Yeah Israel always be the part of Western Politics. Even Majority in Israel is European Jews so, Israel is in West group as Australia It doesn't mean they have the same foreign policy.




Yes, it is similar. There is no ethic or rule just the big guys shape the world. So who wants a huge bloody conflict in Near East between Sunni and Shia?

Tell us what most Turks think about ISIS, or what you think about them?

Boreas
10-08-15, 06:56
I'm not the one who brings extraordinary claims. The proof lies on the claimant, you.

I am enough old to know that reality is not what told us like in Nayirah case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)


It doesn't mean they have the same foreign policy.

Do you believe that British and American foreign policy match 100%? Do German and British policy match with American's as similar rate?



Tell us what most Turks think about ISIS, or what you think about them?

There is no most Turks. There is a huge polarisation, so there is two different polar and ideas

Khaleeji
10-08-15, 10:56
Do people hate arabs here and support Kurds only :)

Khaleeji
10-08-15, 10:57
i'm an arab and love kurds

Piro Ilir
10-08-15, 13:02
i'm an arab and love kurds
I don't think all the members here love the Kurds and hate the Arabs. Why you think so? The problem with the Kurds, is that they don't have their own state. They are like the orphans . Prophet Mohamed as, was an ethnic Arab. It doesn't mean that the Arabs are a superior race. They are equal with the Turks, Kurds, Iranians etc.

LeBrok
10-08-15, 17:11
I am enough old to know that reality is not what told us like in Nayirah case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony))

Oh, so you don't believe the West because Kuwaiti women lied in court? Isn't it obvious that she wanted his country to be liberated, by any price.


Do you believe that British and American foreign policy match 100%? Do German and British policy match with American's as similar rate? Similar but not the same. You will find even more differences between US and Spain, Greece or Japan.





There is no most Turks. There is a huge polarisation, so there is two different polar and ideas
Let's put it this way, do you think Turkish government is pro or anti ISIS?

LeBrok
10-08-15, 17:13
Do people hate arabs here and support Kurds only :)
We don't need to hate Arabs in order to like Kurds. I don't think Arabs are important in this issue, but Persians and Turks.

Boreas
10-08-15, 18:52
Oh, so you don't believe the West because Kuwaiti women lied in court?


East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself.




Similar but not the same. You will find even more differences between US and Spain, Greece or Japan.


so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel. As you said Greece foreign policy is more different then US, if we think Israel.



Let's put it this way, do you think Turkish government is pro or anti ISIS?


At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey.

Sile
10-08-15, 20:46
East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself.




so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel. As you said Greece foreign policy is more different then US, if we think Israel.



At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey.

The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.

Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds

Boreas
10-08-15, 23:26
The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.
Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds

Sorry but I don't get your point. Why did you use "reply with quote"? Which part of your words has purpose to reply my post?

Firstly, calling Genocide for what Armenians faced is insult of real victims of genocides. It was a failed independent war.

Secondly, genocide memorials are shitty things. They are not for remember them and protect the future against something like that. If the real purpose was that, Israel would be best country for human rights. However they are not.

Thirdly, micro nationalism has strong potential one day; Kurds, Catalans, Scottish, Uyghurs will be independent, so what?

DuPidh
11-08-15, 00:36
The turks should have been brought to the war crimes tribunal for the genocide on the Armenians and also now for the Genocide on the Kurds.

Turkey was very lucky they where no split apart after WW1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
There will be no second chance if you try to rid the country of the kurds


So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

LeBrok
11-08-15, 06:24
East, West, South or North it doesn't matter. Lie is a lie. If you stretch the rules for yourself, someone do it for himself. Did Turkey government ever lied?
Why you are singling out the West? We should trust Chinese, Russians, Turks, Arabs, ISIS, etc, and the rest of the world.


so why should I give a name West for the US and Europe, but not including Israel. In some circumstances you can include Israel as the West, in some you shouldn't. It is not black and white issue.


At first absolutely, all West Block support all rebels against Assad with using Israel and Turkey. Not all the rebels. Even the rebels that we should support didn't get much of it. It is hard to guess who is who in this Syrian mess.

bicicleur
11-08-15, 07:44
So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

in WW II the allies commited war crimes too

the atom bombs on Japan and the bombing of Dresden were war crimes

it is stupid to persecute every war crime , sometimes war crimes provoke other war crimes

that being said, I don't know anything about Greeks in Albania during WW I , I can't judge that

what happens today, I agree with Sile, Erdogan is playing a very dirty game and he is creating an atmosphere that reminds of Ottoman atrocities

Boreas
11-08-15, 08:02
Did Turkey government ever lied?


Could you give an example a country which doesn't lie? I lost my patriotism during Gezi protest



Why you are singling out the West? We should trust Chinese, Russians, Turks, Arabs, ISIS, etc, and the rest of the world.


There is an idiom about that; same shit but in different colour.



In some circumstances you can include Israel as the West, in some you shouldn't. It is not black and white issue.


There is no black and white. everyone is grey. Just some speacial nonphysical words can be pure white such as goodness


It is hard to guess who is who in this Syrian mess.

I agree.

Are these boy looking like from ISIS?

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/REU-SYRIA-CRISIS_.jpg

no, Free Syrian Army

LeBrok
11-08-15, 09:06
Could you give an example a country which doesn't lie? I lost my patriotism during Gezi protest In this case you shouldn't single out the West as not trustworthy.
Even if West lies or is misled by others it doesn't mean it supports its own enemies. That would be terribly stupid.
Actions are more important than words, and look, we are bombing ISIS everywhere. More than Saudis or Turks, or other Near Eastern countries. Also material and logistic help is extended to Iraqis and Kurds. On top of it we accept many refugees of this conflict to our countries, or send humanitarian help to refugee comps. I think it counts more than conspiracy theories alluding to the contrary.

Boreas
11-08-15, 10:26
In this case you shouldn't single out the West as not trustworthy.

Why, because you are western or western is more civilizated? Western or Eastern, if it is good, it is good; if it is evil, it is evil.



Even if West lies or is misled by others it doesn't mean it supports its own enemies. That would be terribly stupid.

History is full with friends and allies who turn enemies after interest conflict.



Actions are more important than words, and look, we are bombing ISIS everywhere. More than Saudis or Turks, or other Near Eastern countries. Also material and logistic help is extended to Iraqis and Kurds. On top of it we accept many refugees of this conflict to our countries, or send humanitarian help to refugee comps. I think it counts more than conspiracy theories alluding to the contrary.

and Saudis bombing Yemen, more then you or how many times ISIS attack Turkey and how many times PKK attacks Turkey in this summer do you have any idea? If you don't, of course you won't understand why Turkey bombing PKK more then ISIS or you won't understand why I am seeing 3 times more policemen in my street, a clue: not for ISIS threat.

I think don't talk about accepting refugees, you won't want me to do it.

What do you think Free Syrian Army supporter at the begining of the civil war?

Who is the biggest economical partner of Iraq Kurdistan?

Everyone see own puzzle part

bicicleur
11-08-15, 12:25
In this case you shouldn't single out the West as not trustworthy.
Even if West lies or is misled by others it doesn't mean it supports its own enemies. That would be terribly stupid.
Actions are more important than words, and look, we are bombing ISIS everywhere. More than Saudis or Turks, or other Near Eastern countries. Also material and logistic help is extended to Iraqis and Kurds. On top of it we accept many refugees of this conflict to our countries, or send humanitarian help to refugee comps. I think it counts more than conspiracy theories alluding to the contrary.

but sometimes you shoot in your own foot

Saudi Arabia has allways been a respected ally, yet they are the main funders of radical islam

and now the deal between Nato and Turkey, I think someone is shooting in his own foot again

LeBrok
11-08-15, 16:58
Why, because you are western or western is more civilizated? Western or Eastern, if it is good, it is good; if it is evil, it is evil. Ok, so are all the civilizations evil, there is no one good?




History is full with friends and allies who turn enemies after interest conflict. Yes, but they were friends one time, and in this period they helped each other, not when they were enemies. West didn't help Al Qaeda or ISIS. US helped friends Mujaheddins, who later turned Al Qaeda and declared war on the West.




and Saudis bombing Yemen, more then you or how many times ISIS attack Turkey and how many times PKK attacks Turkey in this summer do you have any idea? If you don't, of course you won't understand why Turkey bombing PKK more then ISIS or you won't understand why I am seeing 3 times more policemen in my street, a clue: not for ISIS threat. The original question was if Turkey are bombing ISIS at all and are the sympathetic to them? We know that Turkey is very afraid of Free Kurdistan. We can see it through their actions.


I think don't talk about accepting refugees, you won't want me to do it.No idea why?


What do you think Free Syrian Army supporter at the begining of the civil war? There was no one Free Syrian Army, there were many fractions.


Who is the biggest economical partner of Iraq Kurdistan?Who?

LeBrok
11-08-15, 17:05
but sometimes you shoot in your own foot Yes, but this is a mistake and not an action with intentions.


Saudi Arabia has allways been a respected ally, yet they are the main funders of radical islam It shouldn't be tolerated, the main problem is education and ideology which they spread in their founded mosques and madrasas. I'm not sure who is financing this, government or some private foundations or rich families?


and now the deal between Nato and Turkey, I think someone is shooting in his own foot again Not helping Kurds is a mistake. Their might be a better friend of the West than Turkey.

Boreas
11-08-15, 18:10
Ok, so are all the civilizations evil, there is no one good?

I don't prefer call the entire civilization evil or good. As I said, everone is grey


Yes, but they were friends one time, and in this period they helped each other, not when they were enemies. West didn't help Al Qaeda or ISIS. US helped friends Mujaheddins, who later turned Al Qaeda and declared war on the West.

but you were friends one time :laughing:


We know that Turkey is very afraid of Free Kurdistan. We can see it through their actions.

England is afraid of free Sctoish , isn't it? Spain banned the freedom election in Catalania didn't it? I don't think that any counrty loves it


No idea why?

Who?

Are you really that much lazy? Just google it. Turkey has more then 1.7 million Syrian refugees, but you can be proud and say "we accept many refugees of this conflict to our countries" please tell me how many thounsand you have?


There was no one Free Syrian Army, there were many fractions.

Does it change anything?

Kurds and Iraq(just Shia part left) are just defending own borders. They don't have capacity to take ISIS capital Rakka. Without support of Sunni Arabs there is no chance to defeat ISIS

Yetos
11-08-15, 20:08
So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

come on from 1780 we got tired of you,
from the battle of kolokotronis after Orlov's revolt,
till 1940 and Paramythia Salouka's case

you got tired of you,

2 out of 5 accidentlt died, in carhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#47827707) accident,
come on,
GODS UPON US SEE EVERYTHING,

EVEN AT WW2 YOU FIGHT AS ALLY WITH GERMANS AND ITALIANS AGAINST GREECE, AND WE THROW YOU BACK TO ΑΥΛΩΝΑ (ΑVLONA)
AND CAME WITH Xylia and slain the greeks in the villages of Paramythia,

But Gods are mercyfull, and repay back,
soon you will have the Big Kossova, instead of Big Albania

LeBrok
12-08-15, 03:29
I don't prefer call the entire civilization evil or good. As I said, everone is grey. I can understand you better now and I agree. This singling out Western Block for evil thing, took me on a wrong path. :)



[QUOTE]but you were friends one time :laughing: Sure, but more like alleys. Like friendship of Soviets and US during WW2. Once a party declares war on other, the "friendship" is over.




England is afraid of free Sctoish , isn't it? I think most of English don't care if Scots stay in Union or not. It was Scots decision to stay. Quebec (french part of Canada) voted to stay in Canada too. They exercised their choice. Northern Ireland did their voting too. This is how it should be in a free world. You want to stay you stay, you want to go you should be allowed to go.
It should be the same in case of Kurds.
I believe that in the future, when Turkey is more "Westernized = free", Kurds will have their own referendum of independence.
There is also an alternative scenario that ISIS rips Turkey appart like they did with Syria and Iraq, and Kurds will separate without much of resistance from non-existing Turkish government.




Spain banned the freedom election in Catalania didn't it? It would be a news for me. Perhaps one of our Spanish friends would want to enlighten us on this issue?





Are you really that much lazy? Just google it. Turkey has more then 1.7 million Syrian refugees, but you can be proud and say "we accept many refugees of this conflict to our countries" please tell me how many thounsand you have?
I don't think Turkey had a choice. Syrians just crossed the border and Turkey had to accept it. I don't think Turkey invited them, did it? Anyhow, Turkey should be thanked for helping them.
On other hand Canada accepts 300,000 emigrants and refugees, as permanent citizens, a year from around the world, Muslims included. Pretty much by invitations only. ;)
Anyway we help too:
http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/image/2013/01/08/800x_b1_cCM_z_p101/Mideast-Jordan-Syria-Refugees-Winter-3.jpg




Does it change anything?

Kurds and Iraq(just Shia part left) are just defending own borders. They don't have capacity to take ISIS capital Rakka. Without support of Sunni Arabs there is no chance to defeat ISIS Probably you are right about involving Sunni Arabs to defeat ISIS. However, the good news these days is that ISIS is not expending anymore. The bombing campaign destroyed their heavy equipment or they hid it away and can't use, and paralyzed movement of troops. All they could muster recently was suicidal attacks on Kobane and one Iraqi city (forgot the name), Kurds held on but Iraqis run away leaving equipment. There is no Daesh offensive anymore. I'm sure from now on they will only retreat. We need to send more heavy weapons to Kurds, the best fighters against Daesh.

Boreas
12-08-15, 08:30
I think most of English don't care if Scots stay in Union or not. It was Scots decision to stay. Quebec (french part of Canada) voted to stay in Canada too. They exercised their choice. Northern Ireland did their voting too. This is how it should be in a free world. You want to stay you stay, you want to go you should be allowed to go.
It should be the same in case of Kurds.


I don't think English don't agree. I ruled great anti-campain about that.

What about Crimea and East Ukraine will you give that chance to them too.



I believe that in the future, when Turkey is more "Westernized = free", Kurds will have their own referendum of independence.

Do you think majority will want to be independent?



Probably you are right about involving Sunni Arabs to defeat ISIS. However, the good news these days is that ISIS is not expending anymore. The bombing campaign destroyed their heavy equipment or they hid it away and can't use, and paralyzed movement of troops. All they could muster recently was suicidal attacks on Kobane and one Iraqi city (forgot the name), Kurds held on but Iraqis run away leaving equipment. There is no Daesh offensive anymore. I'm sure from now on they will only retreat. We need to send more heavy weapons to Kurds, the best fighters against Daesh.

Without peaceful independent process, there is no way to live Free Kurdistan. Shia Baghdat goverment will quickly go to Russia and Iran side. Turkey can be more Eurasian and interested in with Russia.

In that case Free Kurdistan will be surrendered by Russian allies and be isolated island

North and West Turkey
Southwest Assad's Syria
South Shia Iraq
East Armenia and Iran

and no access to sea

bicicleur
12-08-15, 09:40
[QUOTE=Boreas;464374]

I don't think Turkey had a choice. Syrians just crossed the border and Turkey had to accept it. I don't think Turkey invited them, did it? Anyhow, Turkey should be thanked for helping them.
On other hand Canada accepts 300,000 emigrants and refugees, as permanent citizens, a year from around the world, Muslims included. Pretty much by invitations only. ;)
Anyway we help too:
http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/image/2013/01/08/800x_b1_cCM_z_p101/Mideast-Jordan-Syria-Refugees-Winter-3.jpg



this picture shows the hipocrisy of human rights organisations

this is how 1.7 million refugees live in Turkey

those who make it to Europe and ask for asylum are supposed to get shelter and food for free, the children are entitled to get an education at school

if only 1 refugee who applied for asylum in Europe would live like these people, the government gets law suits from all kinds of organisations that claim to defend the refugees
more than 80 % of the asylum seekers are lying about their identity and about their refugee situation
those who claim to defend refugees obsruct a solution for the real genuine refugees

bicicleur
12-08-15, 09:48
Yes, but this is a mistake and not an action with intentions.

It shouldn't be tolerated, the main problem is education and ideology which they spread in their founded mosques and madrasas. I'm not sure who is financing this, government or some private foundations or rich families?

Not helping Kurds is a mistake. Their might be a better friend of the West than Turkey.

I suppose the Saudi Arabian funders of radical Islam are not the government themselves, but they are rich and powerfull families with close ties to the Saudi gevernement.

Turkey has a powerfull army and a very strategic location. That is why NATO allways wants to stay friend with Turkey, but I think there are plenty of signs that you cannot trust Erdogan, and if they are to leniant with Turkey, Turkey could turn into one of the worst ennemies.

Boreas
12-08-15, 12:29
this picture shows the hipocrisy of human rights organisations

this is how 1.7 million refugees live in Turkey

those who make it to Europe and ask for asylum are supposed to get shelter and food for free, the children are entitled to get an education at school

if only 1 refugee who applied for asylum in Europe would live like these people, the government gets law suits from all kinds of organisations that claim to defend the refugees
more than 80 % of the asylum seekers are lying about their identity and about their refugee situation
those who claim to defend refugees obsruct a solution for the real genuine refugees


Hoping same quality aid for refugees is something like that
http://scholasticadministrator.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f8c25c98834017c317442ea970b-500wi

And my fault, the number has already reached 2 million.


Not all camps like that.

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/299936/general-view-refugee-camp-named-quotcontainer-cityquot-turkish-syrian-border-oncupinar.jpghttp://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/04/16/syrian-turkey-school_custom-f9e15d4d4b7513aff6ae75799a03b2d56b4c14a8-s900-c85.jpg

Everything would be great, if the other countries who promised aid, have sent that much aid

Alan
12-08-15, 13:24
You said, you will, but I didn't


You are the prime example of the headlessness of the Turkish society no wonder your government can play you like a football ball.

I post a video showing ISIS fighters with an ISIS flag on their Shirts. And you tell me I didn't? Are you aware that tro lling is a reason for ban?

so let me show it to you again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGIT32I6Kgw

There are documents in the hands of the US that proves Turkey is aiding ISIS.

vice president Biden confirmed this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLYTG2kCUu0





All Western Block supported ISIS as they supported Al-Qaeda in Afghan-Sovvet War.

No they don't if you claim something provide sources otherwise you are simply being a liar. You claim I didn't prove anything and you think you have proven something just be a simple statement serious?

And Alqaida wasn't "build" by the West. The Mujahedeen were the defense forces of the Afghan vs the Sowiet occupation. From those Taliban the Al Qaida cells emerged. years later. What the US did was provide the Mujahedeen (what was the official front against the Soviets) with weapons. Decade later the virus called Bin Laden who was fighting for the Mujahedeen took the power and radicalized the group.






Thanks for the insult. Who is angry?

Talking from Germany is very easy.

The mighty warriors who feel powerfull in their own country attacking Kurdish civilians with Police assistance talks about "easy". It's easy talking big from Turkey while you know the state is behind you and can arrest and torture any Kurd if needed. Germany is neutral zone so how is it easy to talk here? Ah I understand it is easy cause no one is there to assist you. Is this the reason why no Turkish racist here in Germany dares to open his dirty mouth or attack civilians, cause there is no Police to look for their back? I know Turks more racist and some non racist both know my political stands those who have a problem with it, it's their problem. I am by far not the big PKK supporter but even I see that this conflict is Turkeys fault.



Be mature, think wisely, not from your religious or ethnic perspective.


You are the one who act like an angry monkey.

You're a joke dude.




The area is just battle field of two axis of world, Kurds, Yezidi, Arabs or Turkmens are nothing.
Tell your stories someone else. WHo is the real target of Turkey is clearly visible to anyone who isn't blind.



At the begining of the War, West directly supported rebels in Syria. However Turkey tried to make dialog with Assad which is the only good policy of Erdoğan in Syria case.

Your whole argumentation is a joke so I am not going deeper into this, cause I remember Erdogans 180 degree face change towards Assad. And I quite frankly remember from were this all starter.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/11700040/Does-Erdogans-hatred-of-Assad-run-so-deep-that-he-would-court-terrorists.html




even they didn't do anything about no-fly zone in Syria wish of Turkey which could prevent massive immigration waves.

Official Turkish version. Just like Turkish government claimed allot of things which turned out wrong. Man all your arguments are just a big joke.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/27/world/turkey-isis-us/


CNN)Ahead of a hastily called NATO meeting, a senior Obama administration official told CNN on Monday there is no agreement with Turkey to establish a no-fly zone in the country.But, the official said, Turkey has granted the U.S. access to its air bases to push back ISIS (http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/) militants, so essentially that arrangement creates "nearly the same effect" as a no-fly zone.




Now after the election in 7th June, new goverment can't be set up. During the all this time PKK accused HPD not being enough tough and made aggresive explanations all time and now they broke the ceasefire.

Look, wake up from your dream world, or just stop quoting me. No one believes your lies anymore. Everyone knows who started this. Everyone knows why it started. Let me remind 30 young Students were killed with a bomb planted by turkish police supported ISIS. And those Turkish soldiers who are "not able" to catch heavily armored ISIS from entering ISIS can easily see when a little children with his mother tries to cross into Turkey and shoot them? Tell your jokes somewhere else.


Keep your words for the family of Kurdish who died because of PKK attack in his millitary service.

As a guy who vote for Kurd-Left block in Turkey, I am feeling deep regret. They don't stand a violence when it come from Kurds as they did against state violence, against Erdoğan.

SInce all world knows it is always Kurds dying not Turks. Since the government rather uses the poor youth than their own.
Using people of the same folk against each other was always the way you did it.




Janissaries, Kurdish troops in Egypt/Sudan against Napoleon and in Hungary.

current Turkish chief of Staff is a Kurdish traitor allot of Generals are Kurdish traitors. Head of Turkish secret service (MIT) is a Kurdish traitor.

The mighty "Turks". I am waiting for the day NATO puts you aside. So much racism and oppression one day it will end.

Alan
12-08-15, 13:27
what really matters is not how many Kurds live in Turkey, but how many Kurds live in the areas where Kurds are majority. If let say 3 million Kurds live in Istambul they are simply a statistic because they will not get anything political from what other people in the area have. It also matters how many Kurds want independence or autonomy because I am sure there is a part of Kurdish population that has good life under Turkish regime.
But my guess is that in the areas where Kurds are majority it could be at best 10 million Kurds. You will never take areas where Kurds are less than 50%.

Do you know that Istanbul among the citieswhere the Kurdish parties get most votes? Since when does it matter where the Kurds live if the question was " how high is the Kurdish poulation in Turkey."

I didn't knew cities such as Ankara and Istanbul are not part of Turkey anymore?

Alan
12-08-15, 13:30
That is a big Truth,

when I was saying that DAESH easily found modern military equipment,
while other Arab rabels in Arab spring did not,
when I was talking that Arab spring was a guided action,
nobody believe me,
thank you,
cause at least one more in Forum know many of behind the scenes,
your above state has a big part of truth

Absolutely nothing was found by Daesh. We have video material from Turkish anti AKP TV showing how trucks full of equipment were sent to ISIS. US has documents proving it, just last year Cameron from Britain even said they have documents proving Turkeys involvement with ISIS. In Iraq they got their weapons from the Iraqi Army. Did you know that Mosul had the second biggest military base before the Iraqi Army left it for Daesh.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2811338/Oh-lovely-war-Remarkable-video-shows-ISIS-fighter-strolling-right-Turkish-border-checkpoint-relaxing-chat-guards.html
(http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-fighters-seen-fraternising-turkish-soldiers-near-kobani-border-video-612629)
A recent video released on YouTube by local news channels in Turkey, is being hailed as a clear evidence of Ankara sharing close ties with ISIS militants.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAg29M9c1bw

Alan
12-08-15, 13:37
Erdogan : "PKK is the same as ISIS"
http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2014/10/04/erdogan-pkk-isis-same-for-turkey

We know that Turkey had a peace process with PKK we know that they had negotiations with them. So if ISIS is the same for Turkey, what does that tell us?





Mystery surrounds the surprise release of 49 Turkish diplomats and their families held captive for three months by Isis. The Turkish government is denying any deal with the hostage-takers, making it unclear why Isis, notorious for its cruelty and ruthlessness, should hand over its Turkish prisoners on Saturday without a quid pro quo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/turkey-accused-of-colluding-with-isis-to-oppose-syrian-kurds-and-assad-following-surprise-release-of-49-hostages-9747394.html




Islamic State (http://www.theguardian.com/world/isis) (Isis) has launched an attack on the Syrian border town of Kobani from Turkey for the first time, a Kurdish official and activists said.
The assault began with a suicide attack by a bomber in an armoured vehicle on the border crossing between Kobani and Turkey (http://www.theguardian.com/world/turkey), the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a UK-based opposition group, said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/29/isis-attack-kobani-inside-turkey-first-time



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZF4YtEaLOQ

The evidences are suffocating

Alan
12-08-15, 14:06
Kurds and Iraq(just Shia part left) are just defending own borders. They don't have capacity to take ISIS capital Rakka. Without support of Sunni Arabs there is no chance to defeat ISIS

SInce when was it in interest of Kurds to "conquer" land outside their homeland? Do you think the Sunni Arabs will like to be under Kurdish rule? And while being on it if Iraq and our dear neighbors Turkey and Iran wouldn't be complaining about us getting more than just some Milans and few other light weapons because of their ownj fear. ISIS wouldn't be around the corner anymore. But it's always easy to hold back a group while in parallel claim they can't or don't do anything.

The goal of Kurds was always to secure their own borders and they were pretty successfull in this with their few equipment.

LeBrok
12-08-15, 16:28
I don't think English don't agree. I ruled great anti-campain about that.

What about Crimea and East Ukraine will you give that chance to them too. Yes, this is a thread I started:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29635-Should-Crimea-be-an-independent-country-(Russian-Ukrainian-conflict)




Do you think majority will want to be independent? I don't need to think about this, I give people a chance to decide for themselve.




Without peaceful independent process, there is no way to live Free Kurdistan. Shia Baghdat goverment will quickly go to Russia and Iran side. Turkey can be more Eurasian and interested in with Russia.

In that case Free Kurdistan will be surrendered by Russian allies and be isolated island It won't be easy, and many dictatorial countries don't like the idea of Kurdistan.


North and West Turkey
Southwest Assad's Syria
South Shia Iraq
East Armenia and Iran

and no access to sea That's ok, Switzerland is a construct of few ethnic groups, no access to the see, just mountains, and is peaceful and richest country in Europe.

LeBrok
12-08-15, 16:33
Hoping same quality aid for refugees is something like that


And my fault, the number has already reached 2 million.


Not all camps like that.

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/299936/general-view-refugee-camp-named-quotcontainer-cityquot-turkish-syrian-border-oncupinar.jpghttp://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/04/16/syrian-turkey-school_custom-f9e15d4d4b7513aff6ae75799a03b2d56b4c14a8-s900-c85.jpg

Everything would be great, if the other countries who promised aid, have sent that much aid
Great camp, probably the best of all I've seen.

Alan
12-08-15, 17:09
"We don't have problems with Kurds, we only have a Problem with PKK " they said.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11863335_1613575295577449_7534643275332383857_n.jp g?oh=96f9bc2c87e8b2cdd8a9d0c937dc4370&oe=56363ACC
images of the match yesterday between Barcelona and Sevilla.

Above Iberian channel, and right under it from Turkish state television. They made themselves so much efford to censor the official Kurdish flag from Iraqi Kurdistan. I think the Kurdish flag is too much terror upon the Turkish public. How racist can a state whoms official state televisions censors the flag of a region they have economic trade with and which is relatively "friendly" with them, can be towards it's own Kurdish population?


Racism hatred in this country is deep and it goes through all parts of the state and public. PKK is just the excuse they have found to keep their century long racism and hatred alive.

Garrick
12-08-15, 18:45
So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

Completely wrong and inversely. Greeks were victims.

LeBrok
12-08-15, 18:53
"We don't have problems with Kurds, we only have a Problem with PKK " they said.


images of the match yesterday between Barcelona and Sevilla.

Above Iberian channel, and right under it from Turkish state television. They made themselves so much efford to censor the official Kurdish flag from Iraqi Kurdistan. I think the Kurdish flag is too much terror upon the Turkish public. How racist is a state whoms official state televisions censor the flag of a region they have economic trade with and which is relatively "friendly" with them, can be towards it's own Kurdish population?


Racism hatred in this country is deep and it goes through all parts of the state and public. PKK is just the excuse they have found to keep their century long racism and hatred keep alive.
Wow, that's really telling about Turkey's policy against Kurds.

Yetos
12-08-15, 19:52
So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

I agree,
Albanians should go to international judge for genocide of Greeks,

Yetos
12-08-15, 20:00
Yes, this is a thread I started:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/29635-Should-Crimea-be-an-independent-country-(Russian-Ukrainian-conflict)



I don't need to think about this, I give people a chance to decide for themselve.



It won't be easy, and many dictatorial countries don't like the idea of Kurdistan.

That's ok, Switzerland is a construct of few ethnic groups, no access to the see, just mountains, and is peaceful and richest country in Europe.

geopolitical geostrategical,
nations are sold, people die,
anyway it akes long time,
and since taliban on the oither corner win state army,
and in Africa Boco haram is strong enough, I think we must change our minds, and see the problem in its true center,

Alan
12-08-15, 20:19
Wow, that's really telling about Turkey's policy against Kurds.

Last time I checked when Barzani officially spoke on Turkish state TV they censored the Kurdish flag behind him. It's not the PKK, the Kurds are the Problem. It could be Kurds living in Africa still Turks would react like it's their problem.

I mean how threatned can someone feel about a simple flag, a flag which belongs to your traiding partners. Why isn't Turkey so afraid of the Palestinian flag?

DuPidh
12-08-15, 22:53
Last time I checked when Barzani officially spoke on Turkish state TV they censored the Kurdish flag behind him. It's not the PKK, the Kurds are the Problem. It could be Kurds living in Africa still Turks would react like it's their problem.

I mean how threatned can someone feel about a simple flag, a flag which belongs to your traiding partners. Why isn't Turkey so afraid of the Palestinian flag?


I think Turks and Kurds get along pretty well. There always be a minority that will not agree with the state of Turkish-Kurdish affairs but largely the relations between two ethnicityes are good.

Boreas
12-08-15, 23:26
You are the prime example of the headlessness of the Turkish society no wonder your government can play you like a football ball.

I have already told that I lost my patriotism. I criticising everthing and all of them seems grey for me, but I guess you were sleeping while I was posting.

This is just an illusion, when I criticising you(your world), you just put me in enemy case. However I criticising everything.



I post a video showing ISIS fighters with an ISIS flag on their Shirts. And you tell me I didn't?

Again you didn't , I was waiting an answer about reason of Silopi conflict (PKK- Turkish goverment conflict which begun this summer)



There are documents in the hands of the US that proves Turkey is aiding ISIS.


Ohh what a lovely, I hope they publish it. This can be end of erdogan. But let's talk it when you got real source, not a speech from politician who try to elect. That's just remind me Saddams Nuclear Weapons which couldn't find.





No they don't if you claim something provide sources otherwise you are simply being a liar. You claim I didn't prove anything and you think you have proven something just be a simple statement serious?

And Alqaida wasn't "build" by the West. The Mujahedeen were the defense forces of the Afghan vs the Sowiet occupation. From those Taliban the Al Qaida cells emerged. years later. What the US did was provide the Mujahedeen (what was the official front against the Soviets) with weapons. Decade later the virus called Bin Laden who was fighting for the Mujahedeen took the power and radicalized the group.

It looks like you are feeding chickhen but suprise when you see an egg



Thanks for the insult. Who is angry?.

If I did something which caused you felt be insult, I am sorry.:sad-2:

But Angry LoL :grin:, for that I need to be stucj-k in my opinion and you have to corner me. However none of them happened yet



You're a joke dude.


I wish, I could say that. After seeing a real insult(your first sentence), you are not funny for being a joke



Tell your stories someone else. WHo is the real target of Turkey is clearly visible to anyone who isn't blind.


If you are the one who try the save today and not thinking tomorrow, I can't do anything.

and do you think Turks are blind?

http://img.hurriyet.com.tr/_np/2618/30782618.jpg

This is not ISIS




Your whole argumentation is a joke so I am not going deeper into this, cause I remember Erdogans 180 degree face change towards Assad. And I quite frankly remember from were this all starter.


Which part of my argument is joke? As you said Erdoğan 180 degree face change. I just said it, as you said here.




Official Turkish version. Just like Turkish government claimed allot of things which turned out wrong. Man all your arguments are just a big joke.


Using word joke, don't you help to look smart. Take this advise



Look, wake up from your dream world, or just stop quoting me. No one believes your lies anymore. Everyone knows who started this. Everyone knows why it started. Let me remind 30 young Students were killed with a bomb planted by turkish police supported ISIS. And those Turkish soldiers who are "not able" to catch heavily armored ISIS from entering ISIS can easily see when a little children with his mother tries to cross into Turkey and shoot them? Tell your jokes somewhere else.


What are you reading in Germany about Middle-East, I don't know. But I am the one who live in it

I suggest you also interrogate other relations of ISIS

http://www.yazarabi.com/2015/08/isis-sells-oil-to-germany.html




The mighty "Turks". I am waiting for the day NATO puts you aside. So much racism and oppression one day it will end.

Now you start to show your true revenger face.

Arap, Kurds and Turks until realise that peace won't come untill they stop to wish others pain as British-French and Germany

But you are breaking my hope


Do you know that Istanbul among the citieswhere the Kurdish parties get most votes?

Kurdish part BDP didn't enter the last election. It made coalition and joined the election under the name HDP. All my family that's why voted for them, so their vote didn't show just Kurds.



SInce when was it in interest of Kurds to "conquer" land outside their homeland?
Just a small example Mosul was great conflict between Iraq Kurdistan and Iraq.

Alan
13-08-15, 18:51
I have already told that I lost my patriotism. I criticising everthing and all of them seems grey for me, but I guess you were sleeping while I was posting.

This is just an illusion, when I criticising you(your world), you just put me in enemy case. However I criticising everything.

Ah just stop it there. You didn't criticize anything about your Turkey, you can claim to be "non racist" and to have lost your "patriotism" all day long, but I am used to turkish racists and your arguments perfectly fit into this category and that you also consider yourself non racist fits into it well. Most Turks don't realize how racist they are.



Again you didn't , I was waiting an answer about reason of Silopi conflict (PKK- Turkish goverment conflict which begun this summer)

I did, I did you simply prefer to ignore it, typical attitude of a crypto racist.




hh what a lovely, I hope they publish it. This can be end of erdogan. But let's talk it when you got real source, not a speech from politician who try to elect. That's just remind me Saddams Nuclear Weapons which couldn't find.


The whole world knows that the Turkish government is supporting ISIS the whole world knows that Turks are basically racist towards Kurds, the only reason non of the governments in the West bring it up, is because Turkey is still part of NATO. The day Turkey leaves or thrown out of this, let's see how well your racism does. The whole world is already showing that they know the truth throw their media, not only the West heck even states such as China, Japan and Russia are supportive and know who are fault.





It looks like you are feeding chickhen but suprise when you see an egg

Exactly, thats how the racist Turkish mind and their government work. Support the enemies of Kurds, kill Kurdish civilians daily on the border bomb them personally and than be "suprised" (or let's they get the expected) about the reaction.




If I did something which caused you felt be insult, I am sorry.:sad-2:


Seriously the overuse of smileys doesn't make you appear smart, so just let it go.

But Angry LoL :grin:, for that I need to be stucj-k in my opinion and you have to corner me. However none of them happened yet

imagination is also a very important attribute.


I wish, I could say that. After seeing a real insult(your first sentence), you are not funny for being a joke

Look at our racist friend, who called me an angry monkey. He is upset about being called a joke :(




If you are the one who try the save today and not thinking tomorrow, I can't do anything.

and do you think Turks are blind?

No I think too many Turks are simply racist because they are brainwashed by century long miseducation.





Which part of my argument is joke? As you said Erdoğan 180 degree face change. I just said it, as you said here.
I never lost a word about Erdogan I know you are not an Erdogan friend. You are the oldschool Kemalist_MHP racist. So being anti Erdogan doesn't make you anti racist this kind of logic only works in Turkey. It's like saying, "look Assad is a hero, he is anti ISIS". lol







What are you reading in Germany about Middle-East, I don't know. But I am the one who live in it


Let me tell you this, In Germany I surely have more access to free media as in Turkey were Twitter, Youtube, Facebook are constantly blocked. You don't live in it you smug individual. My relatives are in middle of it. Thats the major problem with you guys, you think you know a crap from your homes in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara hundreds to thousand miles away from the dangerous zone.





Now you start to show your true revenger face.

Arap, Kurds and Turks until realise that peace won't come untill they stop to wish others pain as British-French and Germany

But you are breaking my hope


For Gods sake what kind of shameless individual are you.

Turkish public, the Turkish country has an issue with everything what stands for Kurds, the heck they censor the Kurdish flag on a freakn Football game and you speak of hope?

https://www.facebook.com/Dalkurd.2004/videos/10153125403123247/?permPage=1


Kurdish part BDP didn't enter the last election. It made coalition and joined the election under the name HDP. All my family that's why voted for them, so their vote didn't show just Kurds.


just cut me that nonsense. HDP is known in all of TUrkey as pro Kurdish party. 90% of their votes came directly from Kurdish territories do I need to post a election map you delusional individual? Typical turkish way of arguing.


Just a small example Mosul was great conflict between Iraq Kurdistan and Iraq.


The heck what? When did Kurdish Peshmerga try to conquer Mosul, a nowadays predominantly Arab city? the US and Iraqi Army try their best to push the Kurdish fighters to conquer Mosul but the Peshmerga don't want to fight a war for the Iraqi Army, who themselves are very anti Kurdish in their politics. few month ago they came just infront of Mosul and surrounded it, even used some
artillery on the city but didn't try to conquer it, even now Mosul is surrounded but they don't want to go in and fight a war for the Iraqi government yet until a politicalm solution is met.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Iraqi_insurgency_detailed_map

And I repeat, If you throw "arguments" into the room, underline them with sources just like I did, otherwise this is simply spam in my eyes.

Boreas
13-08-15, 23:44
Ah just stop it there. You didn't criticize anything about your Turkey,

Sorry, I was just wasting time to answer you rationalistic criticizing



you can claim to be "non racist" and to have lost your "patriotism" all day long, but I am used to turkish racists and your arguments perfectly fit into this category and that you also consider yourself non racist fits into it well. Most Turks don't realize how racist they are.

We facist Turks love to vote Kurdish-Left block in the election.

What a empty words. Elephants don't look ground to not step on a bug. In every society, in every culture, religion or ideogy fanatics don't understand what do they do wrong.



I did, I did you simply prefer to ignore it, typical attitude of a crypto racist.


Again, again and again you didn't. You shared something about Turkey-ISIS which is not directly relevant with PKK-Turkey conflict. I was asking that.

Firstly I was prime example of the headlessness of the Turkish society

Then most of my nation be racist

Finally, I became a crypto racist

I think situation is clear about who is real racist, don't you think that? :good_job:



The whole world knows that the Turkish government is supporting ISIS the whole world knows that Turks are basically racist towards Kurds, the only reason non of the governments in the West bring it up, is because Turkey is still part of NATO. The day Turkey leaves or thrown out of this, let's see how well your racism does. The whole world is already showing that they know the truth throw their media, not only the West heck even states such as China, Japan and Russia are supportive and know who are fault.


Oh my dear, firstly I am strong anti-NATO supporter.

How much protect EU, Greece? Don't magnify NATO. I hope Turkey get out of it. And all millitary organisation will colapse. World need active UN force. Not polaried military pacts.



Look at our Turkish racist who could me an angry monkey.

I don't think you know the meaning of it. Do you want me to use it in a sentences? It is a slang term, but not racist.

acting like an angry monkey throwing feces
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/06/clinton-camp-compares-obama-to-ken-starr/comment-page-15/

İt usually use for a person who act with uncontrolled hate.



No I think too many Turks are racist and brainwashed by century long miseducation.

Exactly, if someone who doesn't agree with you, it means that he is racist and think or saying it is not racist.:clap:

European education system is fascinating. Look at how a middle eastern guy has been enlightened




I never lost a word about Erdogan I know you are not a Erdogan friend. You are the oldschool Kemalist_MHP racist. So being anti Erdogan doesn't make you anti racist this kind of logic only works in Turkey. It's like saying, "look Assad is a hero, he is anti ISIS". lol


Which part of my words are obscure when I said I vote HDP???

And After the remebering what Ocalan's path, it is very same I won't say PKK is a hero, it is anti ISIS




Let me tell you this, In Germany I surely have more access to free media as in Turkey were Twitter, Youtube, Facebook are constantly blocked. You don't live in it you smug.Snowden or Assange
My relatives are in middle of it.

You are not one, who can died in PKK /ISIS attack in Istanbul. Both are active, again not same.



Turkish public, the Turkish country has an issue with everything what stands for Kurds, the heck they censor the Kurdish flag on a freakn Football game and you speak of hope?


I won't defend it. Even I create my own flag.



Dude just cut me that nonsense. HDP is known in all of TUrkey as pro Kurdish party. 95% of their votes came directly from Kurdish territories do I need to post a election map you delusional turkish racist? Typical turkish way to argument


"i don't agree with you but i will defend your right to say it" so I won't say your words nonsense or joke. Speak my ultrakurdish nationalist friend :grin:

Kurdish territories and 95% lol that means Kurds even don't need the vote of Kurds in Istanbul and all West Turkey. Typical fasict kurd :laughing:. Hey dude it is funny. I mean calling people unnesserily racist/facist.

Just this can crush your argument



And I repeat my crypto racist friend. If you throw "arguments" into the room, underline them with sources just like I did, otherwise this will simply be considered spam.

I have already used visual sources my friend, maybe you didn't notice.

Alan
13-08-15, 23:51
I am not going to answer spam messages anymore.


Turkish government : "We are bombing PKK in North Iraq"

Amnesty International : "All individuals killed by Turkish warplanes are civilians of Zergele village".


Amnesty: All Killed in Zergele Village by Turkish Warplanes Were Civilians
“The recent attacks in Kandil maimed, killed, and displaced residents, destroying homes and terrifying locals in an area where no military targets appeared to be present,” said Lama Fakih, Senior Crisis Advisor at Amnesty International who visited the area.


http://www.diplomaticintelligence.eu/international-news/898-fresh-evidence-of-casualties-underscores-need-for-impartial-investigation-into-turkish-airstrikes-in-kandil-mountains

http://kurdishquestion.com/index.php/kurdistan/south-kurdistan/amnesty-all-killed-in-zergele-village-by-turkish-warplanes-were-civilians.html

LeBrok
14-08-15, 03:15
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.

Boreas
14-08-15, 06:46
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.

Thanks for this mature perspective. I hope every member of forum will respect it

Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 15:26
Completely wrong and inversely. Greeks were victims.
In North West Greece happened a genocide against the civil Albanian population. This is something well-known. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/964fa4fa4c0ff76a68b32007b37dfcb7.jpg

Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 15:30
I agree,
Albanians should go to international judge for genocide of Greeks,
They are working on it. On the future they will get recompense, and will take back their properties

Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 15:59
Could you give an example a country which doesn't lie? I lost my patriotism during Gezi protest



There is an idiom about that; same shit but in different colour.



There is no black and white. everyone is grey. Just some speacial nonphysical words can be pure white such as goodness



I agree.

Are these boy looking like from ISIS?

http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/REU-SYRIA-CRISIS_.jpg

no, Free Syrian Army
Criticising some aspects of the Turkish government, doesn't mean you are not a patriot. A real and true patriot criticizes his own country and government. A blind and idiot patriot who always said good stuff for his own country certainly is not a patriot ,but he is just damaging his own people. So go on with your patriotism. Nothing wrong being a patriot. Don't lose your patriotism due to erdogan. Erdogan is just one another mortal human being.

Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 16:03
Ok, so are all the civilizations evil, there is no one good?



Yes, but they were friends one time, and in this period they helped each other, not when they were enemies. West didn't help Al Qaeda or ISIS. US helped friends Mujaheddins, who later turned Al Qaeda and declared war on the West.



The original question was if Turkey are bombing ISIS at all and are the sympathetic to them? We know that Turkey is very afraid of Free Kurdistan. We can see it through their actions.

No idea why?

There was no one Free Syrian Army, there were many fractions.

Who?
The Western civilization is better than the east civilization.
But there is not a paradise yet on the earth. [emoji4] .

Boreas
14-08-15, 18:15
I am not going to answer spam messages anymore.


Turkish government : "We are bombing PKK in North Iraq"

Amnesty International : "All individuals killed by Turkish warplanes are civilians of Zergele village".

http://www.diplomaticintelligence.eu/international-news/898-fresh-evidence-of-casualties-underscores-need-for-impartial-investigation-into-turkish-airstrikes-in-kandil-mountains

http://kurdishquestion.com/index.php/kurdistan/south-kurdistan/amnesty-all-killed-in-zergele-village-by-turkish-warplanes-were-civilians.html

At least you didn't call me racist or imply that I am racist. This is something. It seems we are geeting hot each other :good_job:

and finally you saw my point and share something about PKK-Turkey. Thanks.

Firstly civil cause always happen, did US use nuclear weapons on Japanese military base, twice? But you won't answer it because even I am totally right, it is not important for you. I didn't share link which made my post is spam.

but some examples from NATO

Wedding in Afghanistan
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-officials-claim-nato-air-strike-kills-women-kids-at-wedding-party/

24 Pakistan Soldiers
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15901363


All act like these be judge and if Amnesty International says that they are civils, Turkey should defend himself in the court too.

Everybody knows that goverments try to hide these things, and gerilla's try to increase civil lost to gain more sympathy

DuPidh
14-08-15, 18:17
In North West Greece happened a genocide against the civil Albanian population. This is something well-known. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/964fa4fa4c0ff76a68b32007b37dfcb7.jpg

Italy has for quite a while has recognized Greek genocide against Albanians in South Epirus. In 1967 when Greece applied for NATO membership Italy insisted Greece recognize the genocide but Italian resistance was put down since at that time the communist Albanian government was anti western. There are signs that Greek government is flirting with Russia. If that happens Albania has assurances from the West that Southern Epirus will be returned to the legitimate owners Albanians.

Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 20:32
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.
Only the Greeks are allowed to call the others, fascists and terrorist Islamist? A Greek member here called me with different epithets [emoji57] [emoji4]. But you know, a brave man don't show his bravery on internet forums. A coward do so.
Please, I am not writing any particular member name. You know what I mean.
But lets keep it civil. Only the cowards offend others on internet. This is only my honest opinion. [emoji4]