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Piro Ilir
14-08-15, 20:35
Thanks for this mature perspective. I hope every member of forum will respect it
You called Alan : you are acting like an angry monkey. This is an uneducated behavior.

Yetos
14-08-15, 21:29
Italy has for quite a while has recognized Greek genocide against Albanians in South Epirus. In 1967 when Greece applied for NATO membership Italy insisted Greece recognize the genocide but Italian resistance was put down since at that time the communist Albanian government was anti western. There are signs that Greek government is flirting with Russia. If that happens Albania has assurances from the West that Southern Epirus will be returned to the legitimate owners Albanians.

Ηahahaha,

are you refering to Fascist Italy of Musolini?
and the Romania who was with Nazi?

well these were friend of Fasist Albania,

Xylia the Albanian organisation wchich under the help of Mussolini massacre and genocide the Greeks of Albania,
the North Epirotes,
thanks god Zerbas punish you well,

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-wO1-4ZYYKo4/UVoIxvSei4I/AAAAAAAACTo/_rax5SFks1k/3.PNG_thumb%25255B3%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800


http://lh6.ggpht.com/-D5cTuYuAe5k/UVoIvX8yzWI/AAAAAAAACTg/WJSStYCA1gI/matousis.PNG_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

another ignorant,

At Romania Fascist and Nazi's made a big congress at WW2,

First Musolini wanted to Latinise half Greeks,
so He declare Thessaly Makedonia and Epirus as Aromani state the principate of Vlachs,
the first who recogn this was Romania,
the prince of the principat is in the photo,

that was a tremendous fail, only 300-400 from mountain Larissa aromani accepted this,
that made Musolini so ridiculous to its allies and his enemy, that gave order to support Albanian solution
after the fail of Vlach principate from Epirus to Turkey, and from Serbia to South Greece
Romanians protome a solution to Give Albania this principate, but with Epirus and Thessaly
which Musolini accept it and created with Albanian Xylia,
XYLIA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MASSACRES OF GREEK IN EPIRUS,
THE MOST KNOWN IS THE PARAMYTHIA CASE, ΖΕΡΒΑΣ, And XYLIA


for this is what you dream and you are,

Albanians a banch Ottoman empire dreamers,
and lovers of ItaloFasists and GermanoNazi's

and you are stick to it,
so much that you even dream what MUsoolini promised you

Alan
14-08-15, 23:47
You called Alan : you are acting like an angry monkey. This is an uneducated behavior.

Don't bother, those type of guys are living in their own universe with their own reality.

LeBrok
15-08-15, 05:08
Ηahahaha,

are you refering to Fascist Italy of Musolini?
and the Romania who was with Nazi?

well these were friend of Fasist Albania,

Xylia the Albanian organisation wchich under the help of Mussolini massacre and genocide the Greeks of Albania,
the North Epirotes,
thanks god Zerbas punish you well,






another ignorant,

At Romania Fascist and Nazi's made a big congress at WW2,

First Musolini wanted to Latinise half Greeks,
so He declare Thessaly Makedonia and Epirus as Aromani state the principate of Vlachs,
the first who recogn this was Romania,
the prince of the principat is in the photo,

that was a tremendous fail, only 300-400 from mountain Larissa aromani accepted this,
that made Musolini so ridiculous to its allies and his enemy, that gave order to support Albanian solution
after the fail of Vlach principate from Epirus to Turkey, and from Serbia to South Greece
Romanians protome a solution to Give Albania this principate, but with Epirus and Thessaly
which Musolini accept it and created with Albanian Xylia,
XYLIA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MASSACRES OF GREEK IN EPIRUS,
THE MOST KNOWN IS THE PARAMYTHIA CASE, ΖΕΡΒΑΣ, And XYLIA


for this is what you dream and you are,

Albanians a banch Ottoman empire dreamers,
and lovers of ItaloFasists and GermanoNazi's

and you are stick to it,
so much that you even dream what MUsoolini promised you
Yetos, you are really a vicious man. Are you the one without a sin to throw first stone?

Yetos
15-08-15, 06:43
Yetos, you are really a vicious man. Are you the one without a sin to throw first stone?

No
but Aisopos Αισωπος told us that when mighty Gods created Humans,
they put the sins of a man at a bag at the back of the body,
so everybody can see others sins,
but noone can see his own,

like this I do not want to throw first stone, to a sinner,
but when someones tries to injure me, and is throwing stones for my sins,
then I want to throw him the last,
cause its easy to see and accuse someone for his sins,
but its difficult to see yourone sins and accuse your shelf for your sins,

anyway I am tired for the 'image that some want to pass in the forum'
so as long they do not see their sins, and they do not blaim their shelves,
but show their shelves as victims, when they were vultures and animals,
I will throw them their sins in the face,
there is nothing more ridiculous, to show your shelf as victim, when you were the vulture.
restoration of truth is not a 'throw a stone'


PS,
in the above second person is not determing persons, but generality

Boreas
15-08-15, 08:54
You called Alan : you are acting like an angry monkey. This is an uneducated behavior.

Actually, it is not. If you are not from a British colony or native english speaker, able to use slang terms or idioms shows your high foreign language skils.


http://www.learn4good.com/languages/evrd_idioms/id-a.htm#act like an ape

Piro Ilir
15-08-15, 20:37
At least you didn't call me racist or imply that I am racist. This is something. It seems we are geeting hot each other :good_job:

and finally you saw my point and share something about PKK-Turkey. Thanks.

Firstly civil cause always happen, did US use nuclear weapons on Japanese military base, twice? But you won't answer it because even I am totally right, it is not important for you. I didn't share link which made my post is spam.

but some examples from NATO

Wedding in Afghanistan
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-officials-claim-nato-air-strike-kills-women-kids-at-wedding-party/

24 Pakistan Soldiers
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15901363


All act like these be judge and if Amnesty International says that they are civils, Turkey should defend himself in the court too.

Everybody knows that goverments try to hide these things, and gerilla's try to increase civil lost to gain more sympathy
At least NATO helped the population of Kosova from the Milosevic genocide and massacres. There was even a Turkish minority among the population of Kosova. So NATO is not all so bad. [emoji4]

Piro Ilir
15-08-15, 21:05
Ηahahaha,

are you refering to Fascist Italy of Musolini?
and the Romania who was with Nazi?

well these were friend of Fasist Albania,

Xylia the Albanian organisation wchich under the help of Mussolini massacre and genocide the Greeks of Albania,
the North Epirotes,
thanks god Zerbas punish you well,

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-wO1-4ZYYKo4/UVoIxvSei4I/AAAAAAAACTo/_rax5SFks1k/3.PNG_thumb%25255B3%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800


http://lh6.ggpht.com/-D5cTuYuAe5k/UVoIvX8yzWI/AAAAAAAACTg/WJSStYCA1gI/matousis.PNG_thumb%25255B1%25255D.jpg?imgmax=800

another ignorant,

At Romania Fascist and Nazi's made a big congress at WW2,

First Musolini wanted to Latinise half Greeks,
so He declare Thessaly Makedonia and Epirus as Aromani state the principate of Vlachs,
the first who recogn this was Romania,
the prince of the principat is in the photo,

that was a tremendous fail, only 300-400 from mountain Larissa aromani accepted this,
that made Musolini so ridiculous to its allies and his enemy, that gave order to support Albanian solution
after the fail of Vlach principate from Epirus to Turkey, and from Serbia to South Greece
Romanians protome a solution to Give Albania this principate, but with Epirus and Thessaly
which Musolini accept it and created with Albanian Xylia,
XYLIA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MASSACRES OF GREEK IN EPIRUS,
THE MOST KNOWN IS THE PARAMYTHIA CASE, ΖΕΡΒΑΣ, And XYLIA


for this is what you dream and you are,

Albanians a banch Ottoman empire dreamers,
and lovers of ItaloFasists and GermanoNazi's

and you are stick to it,
so much that you even dream what MUsoolini promised you
You are the only one genius who place on the same doctrine, the fascist Nazis ottomans and the Muslims. Your doctrine theory is the largest mess ever a man could read. You should open an office on the best university of the world.
The Albanian population during the WWII was maximum 800000 people. 28000 was the number of the Albanian fighters who got killed fighting against the fascist- Nazis. This is a fact well documented. Albania was invaded by the Italy. It was not the allied of Italy. King Zog was refugee on the west. He asked for help to Britain before he leaving the country. Britain didn't response. Probably one of the many mistakes of the Chamberlain.

And he is talking about the Italy of 1968, not about Italy of the WWII. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/15/bdb29fe6a3428d632093fd1e69db5559.jpg
Albanian orphan kids of south epirus. The adults were slaughtered by the nationalist criminal of war Napoleon Zerva.

Piro Ilir
15-08-15, 21:44
I don't think English don't agree. I ruled great anti-campain about that.

What about Crimea and East Ukraine will you give that chance to them too.



Do you think majority will want to be independent?



Without peaceful independent process, there is no way to live Free Kurdistan. Shia Baghdat goverment will quickly go to Russia and Iran side. Turkey can be more Eurasian and interested in with Russia.

In that case Free Kurdistan will be surrendered by Russian allies and be isolated island

North and West Turkey
Southwest Assad's Syria
South Shia Iraq
East Armenia and Iran

and no access to sea
In Crimea and in south east Ukraine happened a clear invasion by the Russian army. The referendum on Crimea was held after the Russian soldiers had subjugated the area. The referendum there was probably manipulated. You think that Putin allows a right referendum. [emoji23] No way

Piro Ilir
15-08-15, 21:56
in WW II the allies commited war crimes too

the atom bombs on Japan and the bombing of Dresden were war crimes

it is stupid to persecute every war crime , sometimes war crimes provoke other war crimes

that being said, I don't know anything about Greeks in Albania during WW I , I can't judge that

what happens today, I agree with Sile, Erdogan is playing a very dirty game and he is creating an atmosphere that reminds of Ottoman atrocities
Yes, the bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a shameful event of the human history.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/15/4fbd05b42cd9e4133e2e67361d328633.jpg

Those are some Greek solders slaughtering with axes the civil native Albanian population of south epirus. They are in Greek official uniforms.
The other pictures are disgusting, better don't look at them. It happen at 1945. Many civil Albanians who escaped the massacres were helped by their civil Greek neighbors to be safe.

Boreas
15-08-15, 22:13
At least NATO helped the population of Kosova from the Milosevic genocide and massacres. There was even a Turkish minority among the population of Kosova. So NATO is not all so bad. [emoji4]

I didn't say pure evil. The point in there was civil casualties

Yetos
15-08-15, 23:18
Yes, the bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a shameful event of the human history.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/15/4fbd05b42cd9e4133e2e67361d328633.jpg

Those are some Greek solders slaughtering with axes the civil native Albanian population of south epirus. They are in Greek official uniforms.
The other pictures are disgusting, better don't look at them. It happen at 1945. Many civil Albanians who escaped the massacres were helped by their civil Greek neighbors to be safe.


I do not see any mark that this a photo of Greeks Killing Albanians,
There is no Genocide by Greeks, neither a mention in UN
BUT THERE THE SLAUGHTER OF GREEK EPIROTANS BY ALBANIAN MUSLIMS WITH HELP AND SUPPORT FROM FASIST ALBANIA AND ITALIA.

http://media5.picsearch.com/is?8UEE7rVBtb4Q2IJo0AS5qJTWrtZotDjzRvEOB2DItBo&height=102


THESE ARE THE NAMES OF THE 49 elected local authorities all Greeks
THAT ALBANIANS SLAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VILLAGE OF PARAMYTHIA, at 29/09/1943

• Τσαμάτος Πᾶν. Εὐάγγελος, ἱερέας • Ἀλιγιάννης Φ. Δημήτριος, χαλκουργὸς • Ἀλιγιάννης Δήμ. Ἰωάννης, παντοπώλης • Ἀλιγιάννης Φ. Κωνσταντῖνος, χαλκουργὸς • Ἀλιγιάνης Κ. Σωτήριος, παντοπώλης • Ἀποστολίδης π. Ἀπόστολος, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Βαλασκάκης Σώτ. Ἐλευθέριος, ἰατρὸς • Γιαννάκης Ἰωάν. Νικόλαος, καθηγητὴς • Δρίμτζιας Δήμ. Χαράλαμπος, γεωργὸς • Εὐαγγέλλου Ε. Εὐθύμιος, καφεπώλης • Ζιάγκος Γ. Κωνσταντῖνος, δημοτικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Κακούρης Ἄπ. Περικλῆς, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Κατσούλης Ἂθ Κωνσταντῖνος, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Κλήμης Θεόδ. Δημήτριος, ἀγωγεὺς • Κοτσαλέρης Ε. Ἐμμανουήλ, δhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.sfeva.gr/F4507A22.el.aspx#80142138)/ντὴς ὑποκαταστ. Α.Τ.Ε. Παραμυθιᾶς • Κουρσουμῆς Θ. Κωνσταντῖνος, καφεπώλης • Κωνσταντίνου ἢ Κωσταγιάννης Ἰω. Κῶν/νός, σιδηρουργὸς • Κωνσταντίνου ἢ Κωσταγιάννης Ἰω. Παναγιώτης, σιδηρουργὸς • Μάνος Π. Νικόλαος, ἑστιάτορας • Μαρέτης Γ. Ἀνδρέας. χρυσοχόος • Μαρέτας Ν. Γεώργιος, ἑστιάτορας • Μητσιώνης Ἀναστ. Ἰωάννης, καφεπώλης • Μουσελίμης Σπ. Γεώργιος, Ράπτης • Μουσελίμης Π. Σταῦρος, δημοτικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Μπαζάκος Θ. Ἰωάννης, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Μπάρμπας Γ. Νικόλαος, ἔμπορος ὑφασμάτων • Μπάρμπας Νίκ. Σπυρίδων, ἔμπορος ὑφασμάτων • Νάστος Χρ. Εὐάγγελος, παντοπώλης • Πάκος Γ. Πάκος, τυρέμπορος • Παπαθανασίου Χρ. Βασίλειος, καφεπώλης • Πάσχος Γ. Γεώργιος, παντοπώλης • Πάσχος Δ. Λεωνίδας, τυρέμπορος • Ράπτης Δ. Ἀθανάσιος, ἔμπορος • Ρίγγας Γ. Ἀθανάσιος, ἔμπορος • Σιαμᾶς Πᾶν. Γεώργιος, ταχυδρομικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Σιωμόπουλος Β. Κῶν/νός, γυμνασιάρχης • Σπυρομήτσιος Παύλου Σπυρίδων, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Στρουγγάρης Ἄπ. Ἀνδρέας, παντοπώλης • Σωτηρίου Χρ. Κῶν/νός, ἀγωγεὺς • Σωτηρίου Κ Γεώργιος, ἀγωγεὺς • Τζώης Δήμ. Κῶν/νός, βιβλιοπώλης • Τσαμάτος Εὐάγγ. Νικόλαος, Ράπτης • Τσίλης Δήμ. Κῶν/νός, ἀγωγεὺς • Τσορλας Δήμ. Γεώργιος, δημοτικὸς γραμματέας • Τσορλας Β. Θεόδωρος, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Τσορλας Β. Κῶν/νός, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Φάτσιος Γ. Θωμάς, μυλωθρὸς • Φείδης Θ. Ἀριστοφάνης, λογιστὴς • Χρυσοχόου Κ. Ἀπόστολος, συνταξιοῦχος σχολάρχης καὶ γραμματέας τῆς μητροπόλεως


YOU WANTED TO DO WITH PARAMYTHIA THE SAME YOU DID IN MOSCHOPOLIS WITH AROMANIAN,
BUT ZERBAS AWAITED YOU


WATCH MINUTE 9:01

The XYLIA, the Albanian Legeon of 20 000 men that entered and slain Epirotans with lincense of Italians

<span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKkbN5IPGo


YOU CAN SEE THE ALBANIANS WEARING BLACK HOOD/COWL
Typical of every criminal,

EVen the communist party of EAM after that deserted you.
XYLIA or KSILIA



want more?

1. Δολοφονηθέντες ὑπὸ Τσάμηδων μόνων ἢ ἐν συνεργασίᾳ μὲ τὰ στρατεύματα κατοχῆς: 632 MURDERED GREEKS BY ALBANIANS 632
2. Ἐξαφανισθέντες καὶ ἀπαχθέντες ὡς ὅμηροι : 428 MISSING HOSTAGES GREEKS BY KSILIA MILITIA 428
3. Βιασμοὶ γυναικῶν καὶ κορασίδων : 209 VIRGIN WOMEN RAPING 209
4. Ἀπαγωγαὶ : 31 KIDNAP FOR RANSOM 31
5. Πυρποληθεῖσαι οἰκίαι : 2.332 BURNED DOWN HOUSES 2332
6. Λεηλατηθέντα ὁλοσχερῶς χωρία : 53 RAVAGING AND STEALING VILLAGES 53
7. Διαρπαγέντα ζῶα : (ἅ) Αἰγοπρόβατα : 37556 (β) Βοοειδῆ : 9.285 (γ) Ἱπποειδῆ : 4.185 δhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.sfeva.gr/F4507A22.el.aspx#75467507)) Πουλερικὰ (ἕνα μέρος) : 30.000 (ἔ) Κυψέλαι : 742
ANIMALS STOLEN TO FEED ALBANIAN MILITIA OR TO SOLD IN ALBANIA


For one year you were terroring and slain and rob the Epirotans
until 18/06/1944 when the village was libarated.



WANT MORE?

BATTLE OF MENINA 18/08/1944
86 Germans
109 Albanians

witness
David Wallace Allies officer with guerilla troops in Greece
Hagen Fleischer German Officer head officer in many operations in Epirus

THE LIST THAT ALBANIANS GAVE TO NAZI SS GIVEN BY GERMAN OFFICERS,
The German documents with names of KSILIA members who cooperated with them in order to destroy Hellenism from Epirus

enough.
I gave names of dead
and foreign officers that were there
and offcial pappers/reports from war.


THE BATTLE OF MENINA 17-18/08/1944 was EVEN Ordered BY BRITISH HIGH OFFICER TORRENCE
The battle of KEFALOBRYSO 30/06/1944 were Albanians were the main corp under SS Officers

ALBANIANS BURNED 2332 HOUSES,
and you still talking?





@ Lebrok

am I the vicious again?



CRIMES AGAINSTT HUMANITY MADE BY ALBANIANS
THE raid and pillage of PELOPOENSE OF 1780
THE GENOCIDE OF SOULIOTES
THE BURN DOWN OF MOSCHOPOLIS
The NEVESKA raids and pillage
The Massacres of locals at the revolt of Litohoro (Asaf)
THE MASSACRE OF PARAMYTHIA

Yetos
15-08-15, 23:45
are n't you tired?

we do not bite your propaganda,

not even Albanians any more bite that


and why you put a Pope as your Avatar?
after the effort of convincing us th Illyria is not Illyria but Hyliria
now you want to convince us that Albanians are good peoplehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#63836004) and christians?
IN PREVIOUS POSTS YOU CLAIMED THAT ALBANIANS ARE ATHEISTS,
NOW YOU USE A POPE WITH POSSIBLE ALBANIAN ORIGIN AS AVATAR TO SAY US WHAT?
THAT YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN OR THAT YOU ARE GOOD AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE?

OR THAT ALBANIA IS A GOOD WESTERN CATHOLIC COUNTRY?


not even Albanians bite anymore that kind of propaganda,Modern Albanians are NOT closed behind borders like at Hodza times,
they have travel the world, they have internethttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#59980177), and they live everywhere,
from Greece to USA Massachusets
THEY CAN READ AND CRITISE AND HAVE OPINION,
HODZA IS DEAD AND CLOSE BOARDERS BELONG TO PAST
and believe me, they laugh with suchyou are a kidthat likes to play, but this does mean that you convince us,

ANYWAY
I DO NOT BELIEVE POPE, I DO NOT BELIEVE PATRIARCH, NOT EVEN SAINTShttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#36296214)

the only Livinghttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#61822934) GOD today is he

http://media1.picsearch.com/is?zYEEDvXyJ4JfuB9l4gU58_iIBLqNEVkV4MEUwbii1IA&height=227

Boreas
16-08-15, 07:23
It turned like a Albanian-Greek pee race.

I am new in the forum and I am wondering, does this happen between French and German or French and British?

Piro Ilir
16-08-15, 15:02
I do not see any mark that this a photo of Greeks Killing Albanians,
There is no Genocide by Greeks, neither a mention in UN
BUT THERE THE SLAUGHTER OF GREEK EPIROTANS BY ALBANIAN MUSLIMS WITH HELP AND SUPPORT FROM FASIST ALBANIA AND ITALIA.

http://media5.picsearch.com/is?8UEE7rVBtb4Q2IJo0AS5qJTWrtZotDjzRvEOB2DItBo&height=102


THESE ARE THE NAMES OF THE 49 elected local authorities all Greeks
THAT ALBANIANS SLAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VILLAGE OF PARAMYTHIA, at 29/09/1943

• Τσαμάτος Πᾶν. Εὐάγγελος, ἱερέας • Ἀλιγιάννης Φ. Δημήτριος, χαλκουργὸς • Ἀλιγιάννης Δήμ. Ἰωάννης, παντοπώλης • Ἀλιγιάννης Φ. Κωνσταντῖνος, χαλκουργὸς • Ἀλιγιάνης Κ. Σωτήριος, παντοπώλης • Ἀποστολίδης π. Ἀπόστολος, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Βαλασκάκης Σώτ. Ἐλευθέριος, ἰατρὸς • Γιαννάκης Ἰωάν. Νικόλαος, καθηγητὴς • Δρίμτζιας Δήμ. Χαράλαμπος, γεωργὸς • Εὐαγγέλλου Ε. Εὐθύμιος, καφεπώλης • Ζιάγκος Γ. Κωνσταντῖνος, δημοτικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Κακούρης Ἄπ. Περικλῆς, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Κατσούλης Ἂθ Κωνσταντῖνος, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Κλήμης Θεόδ. Δημήτριος, ἀγωγεὺς • Κοτσαλέρης Ε. Ἐμμανουήλ, δhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.sfeva.gr/F4507A22.el.aspx#80142138)/ντὴς ὑποκαταστ. Α.Τ.Ε. Παραμυθιᾶς • Κουρσουμῆς Θ. Κωνσταντῖνος, καφεπώλης • Κωνσταντίνου ἢ Κωσταγιάννης Ἰω. Κῶν/νός, σιδηρουργὸς • Κωνσταντίνου ἢ Κωσταγιάννης Ἰω. Παναγιώτης, σιδηρουργὸς • Μάνος Π. Νικόλαος, ἑστιάτορας • Μαρέτης Γ. Ἀνδρέας. χρυσοχόος • Μαρέτας Ν. Γεώργιος, ἑστιάτορας • Μητσιώνης Ἀναστ. Ἰωάννης, καφεπώλης • Μουσελίμης Σπ. Γεώργιος, Ράπτης • Μουσελίμης Π. Σταῦρος, δημοτικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Μπαζάκος Θ. Ἰωάννης, δημοδιδάσκαλος • Μπάρμπας Γ. Νικόλαος, ἔμπορος ὑφασμάτων • Μπάρμπας Νίκ. Σπυρίδων, ἔμπορος ὑφασμάτων • Νάστος Χρ. Εὐάγγελος, παντοπώλης • Πάκος Γ. Πάκος, τυρέμπορος • Παπαθανασίου Χρ. Βασίλειος, καφεπώλης • Πάσχος Γ. Γεώργιος, παντοπώλης • Πάσχος Δ. Λεωνίδας, τυρέμπορος • Ράπτης Δ. Ἀθανάσιος, ἔμπορος • Ρίγγας Γ. Ἀθανάσιος, ἔμπορος • Σιαμᾶς Πᾶν. Γεώργιος, ταχυδρομικὸς ὑπάλληλος • Σιωμόπουλος Β. Κῶν/νός, γυμνασιάρχης • Σπυρομήτσιος Παύλου Σπυρίδων, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Στρουγγάρης Ἄπ. Ἀνδρέας, παντοπώλης • Σωτηρίου Χρ. Κῶν/νός, ἀγωγεὺς • Σωτηρίου Κ Γεώργιος, ἀγωγεὺς • Τζώης Δήμ. Κῶν/νός, βιβλιοπώλης • Τσαμάτος Εὐάγγ. Νικόλαος, Ράπτης • Τσίλης Δήμ. Κῶν/νός, ἀγωγεὺς • Τσορλας Δήμ. Γεώργιος, δημοτικὸς γραμματέας • Τσορλας Β. Θεόδωρος, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Τσορλας Β. Κῶν/νός, ὑποδηματοποιὸς • Φάτσιος Γ. Θωμάς, μυλωθρὸς • Φείδης Θ. Ἀριστοφάνης, λογιστὴς • Χρυσοχόου Κ. Ἀπόστολος, συνταξιοῦχος σχολάρχης καὶ γραμματέας τῆς μητροπόλεως


YOU WANTED TO DO WITH PARAMYTHIA THE SAME YOU DID IN MOSCHOPOLIS WITH AROMANIAN,
BUT ZERBAS AWAITED YOU


WATCH MINUTE 9:01

The XYLIA, the Albanian Legeon of 20 000 men that entered and slain Epirotans with lincense of Italians

<span style="font-size: 12px; font-family: tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><font size="2"><strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKkbN5IPGo


YOU CAN SEE THE ALBANIANS WEARING BLACK HOOD/COWL
Typical of every criminal,

EVen the communist party of EAM after that deserted you.
XYLIA or KSILIA



want more?

1. Δολοφονηθέντες ὑπὸ Τσάμηδων μόνων ἢ ἐν συνεργασίᾳ μὲ τὰ στρατεύματα κατοχῆς: 632 MURDERED GREEKS BY ALBANIANS 632
2. Ἐξαφανισθέντες καὶ ἀπαχθέντες ὡς ὅμηροι : 428 MISSING HOSTAGES GREEKS BY KSILIA MILITIA 428
3. Βιασμοὶ γυναικῶν καὶ κορασίδων : 209 VIRGIN WOMEN RAPING 209
4. Ἀπαγωγαὶ : 31 KIDNAP FOR RANSOM 31
5. Πυρποληθεῖσαι οἰκίαι : 2.332 BURNED DOWN HOUSES 2332
6. Λεηλατηθέντα ὁλοσχερῶς χωρία : 53 RAVAGING AND STEALING VILLAGES 53
7. Διαρπαγέντα ζῶα : (ἅ) Αἰγοπρόβατα : 37556 (β) Βοοειδῆ : 9.285 (γ) Ἱπποειδῆ : 4.185 δhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.sfeva.gr/F4507A22.el.aspx#75467507)) Πουλερικὰ (ἕνα μέρος) : 30.000 (ἔ) Κυψέλαι : 742
ANIMALS STOLEN TO FEED ALBANIAN MILITIA OR TO SOLD IN ALBANIA


For one year you were terroring and slain and rob the Epirotans
until 18/06/1944 when the village was libarated.



WANT MORE?

BATTLE OF MENINA 18/08/1944
86 Germans
109 Albanians

witness
David Wallace Allies officer with guerilla troops in Greece
Hagen Fleischer German Officer head officer in many operations in Epirus

THE LIST THAT ALBANIANS GAVE TO NAZI SS GIVEN BY GERMAN OFFICERS,
The German documents with names of KSILIA members who cooperated with them in order to destroy Hellenism from Epirus

enough.
I gave names of dead
and foreign officers that were there
and offcial pappers/reports from war.


THE BATTLE OF MENINA 17-18/08/1944 was EVEN Ordered BY BRITISH HIGH OFFICER TORRENCE
The battle of KEFALOBRYSO 30/06/1944 were Albanians were the main corp under SS Officers

ALBANIANS BURNED 2332 HOUSES,
and you still talking?





@ Lebrok

am I the vicious again?



CRIMES AGAINSTT HUMANITY MADE BY ALBANIANS
THE raid and pillage of PELOPOENSE OF 1780
THE GENOCIDE OF SOULIOTES
THE BURN DOWN OF MOSCHOPOLIS
The NEVESKA raids and pillage
The Massacres of locals at the revolt of Litohoro (Asaf)
THE MASSACRE OF PARAMYTHIA
On the are Greek military officers on their official uniforms.
My avatar is not a pope [emoji23]. He is at (father)Gjergj Fishta. An Albanian important priest. He was a good patriot too.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/16/8ad45562cb56288bfd4d245a27a17f9f.jpg
This is the pope. He is embracing an Albanian very old priest who survived the communist regime.
The first country that pope visited in Europe was Albania.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/16/99b6ebfd03f90aa57d095d37fd7bb7fd.jpg
Those two man are Albanian commanders who fought against the ottomans. The shorter man on the right is Mihal Grameno, an Albanian Christian orthodox patriot who fought for the Albanian independence. He also is responsible for the execution and death of an important anti Albanian Greek priest. This Greek priest killed by order of mihal grameno was plotting plans against the Albanian independence. You can see a Muslim and a Christian working together for their own country. Cherchis Topulli and Mihal Grameno.
I am not waiting anything good from the UN, either waiting that them could recognize the genocide and ethnic cleansing of south epirus. It is an invalid organization. The right people and the right countries are becoming aware of the massacres made by the Greek officials during 1945, despite of the Greek fabrication of the propaganda.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/16/65012a55e3fdb6f34a3d94a3a838edaa.jpg
On the photo you see three of the founders of the Albanian state at 1912. Muslims and Christians working together for the good of their own compatriots. Ismail Qemali, Hasan Prishtina and Luigj Gurakuqi.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/16/cea3077d01a0e073b811f55b2aeccddb.jpg
On the photo is the Albanian Christian orthodox, Fan Noli . He was a priest. He was the founder of the independent Albanian orthodox church. Was among the best Albanian patriots.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/16/01c458142f45ca518c94c729876e7412.jpg
Those two guys are wearing traditional south Albanian clothes from south epirus. They are chames, and they are dancing a traditional autochtonous dance of south epirus.
I don't have knowledge on the Greek language, therefore I can't read your sources. But no one can justify his own crime by another crime happened before. Again, 28000 Albanian fighters were killed during the WWII fighting against the Nazis. The population of Albania was maximum 800000 inhabitants. My two grandparents from my mother side were partisans. Therefore claiming that Albanians were Nazis and fascist fails again. No a single Jew was killed in Albania. They all were hidden on the homes of the Albanians, Muslim Albanian including. These are historic evidences. The Israeli government have recognized the Albanian help for their people. This is official not rumors as generally you like to believe.

Yetos
16-08-15, 16:27
On the are Greek military officers on their official uniforms.
My avatar is not a pope [emoji23]. He is at (father)Gjergj Fishta. An Albanian important priest. He was a good patriot too.

This is the pope. He is embracing an Albanian very old priest who survived the communist regime.
The first country that pope visited in Europe was Albania.

Those two man are Albanian commanders who fought against the ottomans. The shorter man on the right is Mihal Grameno, an Albanian Christian orthodox patriot who fought for the Albanian independence. He also is responsible for the execution and death of an important anti Albanian Greek priest. This Greek priest killed by order of mihal grameno was plotting plans against the Albanian independence. You can see a Muslim and a Christian working together for their own country. Cherchis Topulli and Mihal Grameno.
I am not waiting anything good from the UN, either waiting that them could recognize the genocide and ethnic cleansing of south epirus. It is an invalid organization. The right people and the right countries are becoming aware of the massacres made by the Greek officials during 1945, despite of the Greek fabrication of the propaganda.

On the photo you see three of the founders of the Albanian state at 1912. Muslims and Christians working together for the good of their own compatriots. Ismail Qemali, Hasan Prishtina and Luigj Gurakuqi.

On the photo is the Albanian Christian orthodox, Fan Noli . He was a priest. He was the founder of the independent Albanian orthodox church. Was among the best Albanian patriots.

Those two guys are wearing traditional south Albanian clothes from south epirus. They are chames, and they are dancing a traditional autochtonous dance of south epirus.
I don't have knowledge on the Greek language, therefore I can't read your sources. But no one can justify his own crime by another crime happened before. Again, 28000 Albanian fighters were killed during the WWII fighting against the Nazis. The population of Albania was maximum 800000 inhabitants. My two grandparents from my mother side were partisans. Therefore claiming that Albanians were Nazis and fascist fails again. No a single Jew was killed in Albania. They all were hidden on the homes of the Albanians, Muslim Albanian including. These are historic evidences. The Israeli government have recognized the Albanian help for their people. This is official not rumors as generally you like to believe.

Blah blah blah

NOTHING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS,
JUST SPAM AND ADVERTISEMENTS

SS SCANDERBERG 21 Mt division Albanian Nazi's
KSILIA / Milica Albanian Fasists,
slain and slaughter of Epirotan at WW2,
GLOBAL OFFICIAL HISTORY that you can not Deny

anyway, as long the forum members allow you to spam and advertise whatever you free to say whatever,
serious discusion can not be done with whatever


you must read Ismael Kenan Vlore,
there you will find many

Piro Ilir
18-08-15, 13:43
Blah blah blah

NOTHING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS,
JUST SPAM AND ADVERTISEMENTS

SS SCANDERBERG 21 Mt division Albanian Nazi's
KSILIA / Milica Albanian Fasists,
slain and slaughter of Epirotan at WW2,
GLOBAL OFFICIAL HISTORY that you can not Deny

anyway, as long the forum members allow you to spam and advertise whatever you free to say whatever,
serious discusion can not be done with whatever


you must read Ismael Kenan Vlore,
there you will find many
The only ethnic people of south epirus and further south who collaborated with the Nazis were the Vlach people from pindus area, and thesalia. I can bring even the names if you want, but probably you already know those names. All the chams Albanian collaboration with the Nazis was the fabrication of those people which wanted to cover their Nazis past. From the beginning of Greek state in 1830, throughout south epirus started an ethnic cleansing against the Albanians. They used everything, including the fabrication of this not true collaboration with the Nazis. They expelled and deported all the Muslim Albanians. The Greeks forced and made pressing into the orthodox Albanians to leave . The orthodox Albanians migrated into south Greece and outside of the country. A human genocide can't be justified, no matter what happened before.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/61c829190870cec84aeebd3cc3e9d769.jpg
Those are Albanian orphans kids, after the Napoleon Zerva massacres.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/d54ad98e6fdf25ef94f9da21d3a301f6.jpg
Do you want some more
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/e297d97962176ce0aafa1110077e69cb.jpg
Do you want some more.
Thousands of people were forced to leave their properties and their homeland .
Ali Demi was the regiment of south epirots fighting against the Nazis.
All what happened there was an ethnic cleansing and has nothing to do with Nazis nor with anything else. The Greek nationalists used the WWII chaotic situation to make this ethnic cleansing.
There is no even a single Jew killed by the Nazis in Albania. This is a historical fact, you like it or not. Not some conspiracy fabrications

Yetos
18-08-15, 18:03
The only ethnic peoplehttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#93819076) of south epirus and further south who collaborated with the Nazis were the Vlach people from pindus area, and thesalia. I can bring even the names if you want, but probably you already know those names. All the chams Albanian collaboration with the Nazis was the fabrication of those people which wanted to cover their Nazis past. From the beginning of Greek state in 1830, throughout south epirus started an ethnic cleansing against the Albanians. They used everything, including the fabrication of this not true collaboration with the Nazis. They expelled and deported all the Muslim Albanians. The Greeks forced and made pressing into the orthodox Albanians to leave . The orthodox Albanians migrated into south Greece and outside of the country. A human genocide can't be justified, no matter what happened before.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/18/61c829190870cec84aeebd3cc3e9d769.jpg
Those are Albanian orphans kids, after the Napoleon Zerva massacres.

Do you want some more

Do you want some more.
Thousands of people were forced to leave their properties and their homeland .
Ali Demi was the regiment of south epirots fighting against the Nazis.
All what happened there was an ethnic cleansing and has nothing to do with Nazis nor with anything else. The Greek nationalists used the WWII chaotic situation to make this ethnic cleansing.
There is no even a single Jew killed by the Nazis in Albania. This is a historical fact, you like it or not. Not some conspiracy fabrications

Blah Blah Blah

most of Albanians died at battle of menina, Batle oF Paramythia, batle of ko.... how ever
at all the batlles greek gave with Nazi's the Albanians were 2 times more than the power of the Nazis
SO STO THE LIES, IT IS NOT GOOD TO YOUR MENTALITY TO LIVEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#86624424) SUCH

YOU BURNED MORE THAN 3200 HOUSES, AND YOU FIGHT WITH NAZIS BUT WITH TWICE MUCH WILLING,S
SO GO AND AND TELL THESE CRUP TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW,CA
USE INSIDE YOU YOU KNOW THE TRUTH,



http://www.paramythia-online.gr/project/gr/PHOTOS/tsamides/chameria_chief.jpg

he is Mozar Ntino, the right hand and biggest helper of NAZIs at Epirus, an Albanian that ordered the execution by hanging of 49 Greeks in one cause they deny KSILIA, the FASISTIC ALBANIAN COMITTE THAT WAS COOPERATING WITH NAZIS AND MUSSOLINI,

http://www.nooz.gr/image.ashx?fid=694707&v=0&q=80&w=300&h=225

WHATS CAREFULLY THESE ARE ALBANIANS WITH WHAT FLAG? and going were? THE ENTRANCE OF ALBANIANS AT PARAMYTHIA TO HANG THE GREEKS


THE GERMAN HEAD OFFICER LANTS LADS in greek ΛΑΝΤΣ, gave the list and all the pappers,
all the slains and the burned hoouses and the robberires were designed by Albanians,
you see Fasistic Italia and Nazi Germany promised Albanians that they will get west Greece after the war,
and Albanians came from all over creating KSILIA and MILICA and fight with Germans,
IT IS WELL KNOWN FOR EACH GERMAN SOLDIER THERE WERE 2 ALBANIAN MILICA (militia)

7 Germans officers and soldiers after the war, describe the KSILIA and ALBANIAN milica as more Brutal and hatefull,


WANT MORE?

minute 10:01
ALBANIANS SOLDIERS UNDER THE COMAND OF NAZI
<strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKkbN5IPGo

for every german soldier 2 Albanians were dead,

PS
WHAT ABOUT THE ORHANS OF THE GREEKS THAT ALBANIAN HANG?
WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS OF THE >3200 HOUSES THAT ALBANIANS BURNED IN EPIRUS?

come on, FACE the truth once in your Life.
I even gave names and historical documents,

b

besides soon new STATUS GVO is coming, Big KOSSOVA is the next power in Balkans

Alan
19-08-15, 00:56
Today Turkish state has started burning villages in Diyarbakir down. Seems over 2000 burned villages are not enough shame in Turkish history.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11885339_404355293102330_7130564749809078190_n.jpg ?oh=f8ef816a0d249788cd2b6993d14b6a3b&oe=563C9F9E
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11180640_10153137343978247_1453841956213811362_n.j pg?oh=1001af00cf4116835e4222ba65fc14cb&oe=567EA27A

Boreas
19-08-15, 08:22
Today Turkish state has started burning villages in Diyarbakir down. Seems over 2000 burned villages are not enough shame in Turkish history.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11885339_404355293102330_7130564749809078190_n.jpg ?oh=f8ef816a0d249788cd2b6993d14b6a3b&oe=563C9F9E
https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11180640_10153137343978247_1453841956213811362_n.j pg?oh=1001af00cf4116835e4222ba65fc14cb&oe=567EA27A


Each side burning or destroying something according to own power

PKK roadblock with burning vehicles
http://img.bugun.com.tr/tuncelide-arac-yakan-pkklilarin-oldugu-bolgeyi-kobralar-bombaladi_1763744_720_400.jpg

This is PKK related group action during the last Turkish-Kurdish ceasefire
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_pkk-supporters-burn-schools-in-southeast_359026.html

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................

I see no difference between these actions

Turkish Attack
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/turkish-jets-destroy-bridge-damage-properties-in-arbil/

or PKK attack
http://img.haberler.com/haber/596/kulp-mus-karayolu-10-gundur-ulasima-kapali-7576596_x_o.jpg

Piro Ilir
19-08-15, 14:41
Blah Blah Blah

most of Albanians died at battle of menina, Batle oF Paramythia, batle of ko.... how ever
at all the batlles greek gave with Nazi's the Albanians were 2 times more than the power of the Nazis
SO STO THE LIES, IT IS NOT GOOD TO YOUR MENTALITY TO LIVEhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#86624424) SUCH

YOU BURNED MORE THAN 3200 HOUSES, AND YOU FIGHT WITH NAZIS BUT WITH TWICE MUCH WILLING,S
SO GO AND AND TELL THESE CRUP TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW,CA
USE INSIDE YOU YOU KNOW THE TRUTH,



http://www.paramythia-online.gr/project/gr/PHOTOS/tsamides/chameria_chief.jpg

he is Mozar Ntino, the right hand and biggest helper of NAZIs at Epirus, an Albanian that ordered the execution by hanging of 49 Greeks in one cause they deny KSILIA, the FASISTIC ALBANIAN COMITTE THAT WAS COOPERATING WITH NAZIS AND MUSSOLINI,

http://www.nooz.gr/image.ashx?fid=694707&v=0&q=80&w=300&h=225

WHATS CAREFULLY THESE ARE ALBANIANS WITH WHAT FLAG? and going were? THE ENTRANCE OF ALBANIANS AT PARAMYTHIA TO HANG THE GREEKS


THE GERMAN HEAD OFFICER LANTS LADS in greek ΛΑΝΤΣ, gave the list and all the pappers,
all the slains and the burned hoouses and the robberires were designed by Albanians,
you see Fasistic Italia and Nazi Germany promised Albanians that they will get west Greece after the war,
and Albanians came from all over creating KSILIA and MILICA and fight with Germans,
IT IS WELL KNOWN FOR EACH GERMAN SOLDIER THERE WERE 2 ALBANIAN MILICA (militia)

7 Germans officers and soldiers after the war, describe the KSILIA and ALBANIAN milica as more Brutal and hatefull,


WANT MORE?

minute 10:01
ALBANIANS SOLDIERS UNDER THE COMAND OF NAZI
<strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSKkbN5IPGo

for every german soldier 2 Albanians were dead,

PS
WHAT ABOUT THE ORHANS OF THE GREEKS THAT ALBANIAN HANG?
WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS OF THE >3200 HOUSES THAT ALBANIANS BURNED IN EPIRUS?

come on, FACE the truth once in your Life.
I even gave names and historical documents,

b

besides soon new STATUS GVO is coming, Big KOSSOVA is the next power in Balkans
Firstly: what is the status GVO you mentioned above and why is coming big Kosova? As I know Greece is going to recognize the independence of Kosova, but that's all.
As I said the Albanian state was invaded. So there was not an alliance between Albania and Germany nor with Italy. You liked or not this is a historical fact. The genocide made by the war criminal Napoleon Zerva will be recognized by the great powers soon.
Why the Greek government on the past and today either, never allowed the Albanian schools on the Greek territory. What is wrong with the Albanian language?

Piro Ilir
19-08-15, 14:43
Each side burning or destroying something according to own power

PKK roadblock with burning vehicles
http://img.bugun.com.tr/tuncelide-arac-yakan-pkklilarin-oldugu-bolgeyi-kobralar-bombaladi_1763744_720_400.jpg

This is PKK related group action during the last Turkish-Kurdish ceasefire
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_pkk-supporters-burn-schools-in-southeast_359026.html

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .....................

I see no difference between these actions

Turkish Attack
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/turkish-jets-destroy-bridge-damage-properties-in-arbil/

or PKK attack
http://img.haberler.com/haber/596/kulp-mus-karayolu-10-gundur-ulasima-kapali-7576596_x_o.jpg
You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

Alan
19-08-15, 15:35
You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

That guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is comparing material damage such as company trucksm(probably providing ISIS with more guns) by a "PKK related group" not even PKK themselves (thats like me showing a girl stoned by ISIS and Nusra and saying , Turkey did it but he himself was totally against it),
to systematic destruction of thousand villages and forced resettlement of villagers.

He can tell jokes like not being "nationalistic" all day but his attempts to always defend the actions of Turkey instead of simply aknowlding speaks tons of words. I had allot to do with Turkish racists and I know what I am talking about.


Not only that he also uses the same logic and tactics as every Turkish MHP sympathizer, Kurd hater and racist. Most of his news for comparison are years old have absolutely nothing to do with this conflict and since it is always Turkish news (they only seem to know Turkish websites, it's like they are searching for confirmation for their lies among themselves)

Here is a women from Varto allegedly a PKK sympathizer who was murdered stripped naked and thrown on the streets by Turkish special forces


Warning small but graphical image.

https://www.facebook.com/481223831956793/photos/a.580882008657641.1073741835.481223831956793/867577076654798/?type=1

Boreas
19-08-15, 15:59
You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

If I thought like you, Albanian, Serbians, Greece etc would be states like ISIS and with same opposite perspective Ottomans are just invalders.

Neither Turkey is a democratic country and PKK is a terrorist organisation
Nor Turkey is a Nazi Republic and PKK is an organisation of honoured freedom fighters.

and how good democracy is another topic.

The most of the reason of the conflicts on Earth is people's stick views, according to their own perspective.

Boreas
19-08-15, 18:16
That guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is comparing material damage such as company trucksm(probably providing ISIS with more guns) by a "PKK related group" not even PKK themselves


Please don't open your mouth just to say something

It knows as PKK Youth

https://news.vice.com/video/pkk-youth-fighting-for-kurdish-neighborhoods?utm_source=vicenewsaunzfb



He can tell jokes like not being "nationalistic" all day but his attempts to always defend the actions of Turkey instead of simply aknowlding speaks tons of words. I had allot to do with Turkish racists and I know what I am talking about.

Not only that he also uses the same logic and tactics as every Turkish MHP sympathizer, Kurd hater and racist. Most of his news for comparison are years old have absolutely nothing to do with this conflict and since it is always Turkish news (they only seem to know Turkish websites, it's like they are searching for confirmation for their lies among themselves)


Yes, Iraq is part of Turkey so www.iraqinews.com is a Turkish Website.

The big irony in here is that you are accusing me of being Turkish Racist. However you are questioning origin of news which I shared, not their reality, so thanks to show yourself my haplo brother. :grin:

Alan
21-08-15, 03:06
Turkish soldiers and police infront of a School in Diyarbakir.
https://www.facebook.com/Diyarbakir.ysn/videos/1128034500562282/

There are also brutal images of turkish police and soldiers murdering civilians and dragging their corps on the streets.

Alan
21-08-15, 03:08
[QUOTE=Boreas;464705
Yes, Iraq is part of Turkey so www.iraqinews.com (http://www.iraqinews.com) is a Turkish Website.

The big irony in here is that you are accusing me of being Turkish Racist. However you are questioning origin of news which I shared, not their reality, so thanks to show yourself my haplo brother. :grin:[/QUOTE]

My my, mate what kind of shameless liar are you? The Iraqinews article is about Turkish Jets destroying bridges and bombing Kurdish villages and not about alleged "PKK attack on schools". SO how does this disprove my claim that you always use Turkish articles to prove your point about PKK? Are you blind? I doubt, I think you are simply tro l ling as usual. Do you understand the difference? Sure attacks of Turkish jets are from international media outlets, because they are true but claims of PKK attacks on "schools" are only in Turkish news. I ask myself why?

Piro Ilir
21-08-15, 16:42
If I thought like you, Albanian, Serbians, Greece etc would be states like ISIS and with same opposite perspective Ottomans are just invalders.

Neither Turkey is a democratic country and PKK is a terrorist organisation
Nor Turkey is a Nazi Republic and PKK is an organisation of honoured freedom fighters.

and how good democracy is another topic.

The most of the reason of the conflicts on Earth is people's stick views, according to their own perspective.
Whatever pkk do, has nothing to do with Turkish government. The government of Turkey can't react and use the same manners as the PKK. PKK maybe is gonna put bombs and kill an whole Turkish village. The Turkish government can't do the same against the Kurdish villages. The Turkish government is a democratic elected government. You can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials , by another crime made by PKK or other illegal organizations.

Boreas
22-08-15, 03:54
My my, mate what kind of shameless liar are you? The Iraqinews article is about Turkish Jets destroying bridges and bombing Kurdish villages and not about alleged "PKK attack on schools". SO how does this disprove my claim that you always use Turkish articles to prove your point about PKK? Are you blind? I doubt, I think you are simply tro l ling as usual. Do you understand the difference? Sure attacks of Turkish jets are from international media outlets, because they are true but claims of PKK attacks on "schools" are only in Turkish news. I ask myself why?

What a pathetic self defense. Just like a religious or ethnic fanatic

My news are old and not relevant with now :laughing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwLO8skZyA

Turkish news gave that news two days ago, but as we know, you can share news from Kurdish website and I can't share Turkish. Because mine's are twisted.

http://sentinelrepublic.com/iran-issues-diplomatic-note-to-turkey-over-pkk-attacks-on-trucks/86283/

No we got note to not fight with PKK...


Whatever pkk do, has nothing to do with Turkish government. The government of Turkey can't react and use the same manners as the PKK. PKK maybe is gonna put bombs and kill an whole Turkish village. The Turkish government can't do the same against the Kurdish villages. The Turkish government is a democratic elected government. You can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials , by another crime made by PKK or other illegal organizations.


This is your problem, you are saying true things but looking from another stick small perspective.

Of course, I can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials or Turkish goverments, how can you get this point?

But Turkey-PKK conflict won't solve looking from Turkey is a good guys, and PKK is illigal organisation.

However when I make a criticising Erdoğan or a crime made by Turkish officials, I am wanting to see same thing between in Kurds against PKK.

Yetos
23-08-15, 23:54
@ Boreas

do not worry,
Pirro has not seen war in his lands for centuries,
soon they know how it is,
they will have the biggest civil war in Balkans ever

Yetos
23-08-15, 23:55
Guys
this war will expand, soon,

it will pass to balkans soon enough,

LeBrok
24-08-15, 00:38
I can't believe that US is still trying to help and rebuild Iraq, as it was a country. Iraq is gone forever, period. To really give a blow to ISIS is a promise from the US, West and UN to Sunnis of Iraq that they will receive their own and new country from Iraq-Sunni land. In this case they wouldn't need ISIS to protect them from Shia/Iran coalition. Also some framework is needed to work on Sunni Iraqi and Kurdish boarder. It should be worked out under multilateral UN umbrella for example. Otherwise, when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.

DuPidh
24-08-15, 00:59
I can't believe that US is still trying to help and rebuild Iraq, as it was a country. Iraq is gone forever, period. To really give a blow to ISIS is a promise from the US, West and UN to Sunnis of Iraq that they will receive their own and new country from Iraq-Sunni land. In this case they wouldn't need ISIS to protect them from Shia/Iran coalition. Also some framework is needed to work on Sunni Iraqi and Kurdish boarder. It should be worked out under multilateral UN umbrella for example. Otherwise, when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.


For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem. Although I am not specifically sympathetic to Kurds I do support their efforts for independence. An ethnic community of that size without a country is not right.
US is not in a favorable position to support Kurdish independence since in the Arab world it will be seen as not a friendly move by the US against another Arab country. Arabs are a big community in the are which are projected that in two decades to number maybe 600 million souls.

Boreas
24-08-15, 08:15
@ Boreas

do not worry,
Pirro has not seen war in his lands for centuries,
soon they know how it is,
they will have the biggest civil war in Balkans ever

Can you be more specific about Civil War? After Kosovo, the only country which has large ethnic minorities is now Bosnia. Did you mean it?


when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.

I agree


For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem.



İn the mid term you can't have good relation with Shia South Iraq and Iraq Kurdistan, and even Russia wants the Kurds in own side. Iran won't allow it, Iran is natural ally of Shia Iraq.

or

US and Turkey are supporting Iraq Kurdistan but will US support big Kurdistan?

what a chaotic situation :grin:

LeBrok
24-08-15, 08:35
For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem. Although I am not specifically sympathetic to Kurds I do support their efforts for independence. An ethnic community of that size without a country is not right.
Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US is not in a favorable position to support Kurdish independence since in the Arab world it will be seen as not a friendly move by the US against another Arab country. Arabs are a big community in the are which are projected that in two decades to number maybe 600 million souls.
US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.

LeBrok
24-08-15, 08:37
or

US and Turkey are supporting Iraq Kurdistan but will US support big Kurdistan?

what a chaotic situation :grin:
I'm sure Kurdistan will be a part of NATO in 10-20 years. A crazy world.

Boreas
24-08-15, 15:21
I'm sure Kurdistan will be a part of NATO in 10-20 years. A crazy world.

There is no win win

Strong Kurdistan in Russian Pact will displease Iran and Strong Kurdistan in NATO will displease Turkey.

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I hope, there will be no millitary pact on that day.

LeBrok
24-08-15, 18:24
There is no win win

Strong Kurdistan in Russian Pact will displease Iran and Strong Kurdistan in NATO will displease Turkey. It is not about displacing, or picking one or the other. It is about Turks treating Kurds as an equal nation, a partner, a neighbor.


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I hope, there will be no millitary pact on that day. Or everybody will be in one and same pact.

Yetos
24-08-15, 20:10
Guys,

no matter Turkey, Syrria Iraq or even Antarctica,

I think Kurds, deserve a piece of land to create their state,
I do not know how big,
I do not know where,
but when you have a clear indipendent state,
Everybody respects you different

DuPidh
24-08-15, 22:50
[QUOTE=LeBrok;464911]Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.[/QUOTE

About 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Nobody is talking about them having their own state. When you think that 250 000 slavisized Albanians that call themselves Montenegrins have a state, and 10 mill Kurds in Iran, or another 10 mill Kurds in Turkey, or 7 Mill Kurds in Iraq, or 2 million Kurds in Syria do not have a state, its kind of crazy. They do need a state. But the minute their state is created you will have Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey wanting to destroy them. So this could also be an obstacle for the US to recognize a Kurdish state. If US recognizes such a state it has to defend it. But countries against a Kurdish state have a combined population of 250 million people,

Sile
25-08-15, 02:27
[QUOTE=LeBrok;464911]Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.[/QUOTE

About 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Nobody is talking about them having their own state. When you think that 250 000 slavisized Albanians that call themselves Montenegrins have a state, and 10 mill Kurds in Iran, or another 10 mill Kurds in Turkey, or 7 Mill Kurds in Iraq, or 2 million Kurds in Syria do not have a state, its kind of crazy. They do need a state. But the minute their state is created you will have Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey wanting to destroy them. So this could also be an obstacle for the US to recognize a Kurdish state. If US recognizes such a state it has to defend it. But countries against a Kurdish state have a combined population of 250 million people,

As a whole, the Kurdish people are adherents to a large number of different religions and creeds, perhaps constituting the most religiously diverse people of West Asia. Traditionally, Kurds have been known to take great liberties with their practices.

Mostly Sunni Muslim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunni_Muslim), but also Shia Muslim (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Muslim) and Sufism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism) with minorities of deism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism), agnosticism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism), Yazdânism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazd%C3%A2nism), Zoroastrianism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism), Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) and Judaism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism)

Kurdish men and women participate in mixed-gender dancing during feasts, weddings and other social celebrations.IIRC, the government must be made up of a certain percent of women as well.

http://kurdy_person.tripod.com/Pekhshan/id14.html

LeBrok
25-08-15, 03:03
Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.[/QUOTE

About 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Nobody is talking about them having their own state. When you think that 250 000 slavisized Albanians that call themselves Montenegrins have a state, and 10 mill Kurds in Iran, or another 10 mill Kurds in Turkey, or 7 Mill Kurds in Iraq, or 2 million Kurds in Syria do not have a state, its kind of crazy. They do need a state. But the minute their state is created you will have Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey wanting to destroy them. So this could also be an obstacle for the US to recognize a Kurdish state. If US recognizes such a state it has to defend it. But countries against a Kurdish state have a combined population of 250 million people,
Let's start with smaller Kurdistan where is a chance for creating it. Right now Syria and Iraq don't exist anymore, that's why it is the easiest way to create Kurdistan first on these territories.
If possible, joining NATO would solidify Kurdistan existence. They would have guaranteed and strong protector.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:08
@ Boreas

do not worry,
Pirro has not seen war in his lands for centuries,
soon they know how it is,
they will have the biggest civil war in Balkans ever
Instead of making conspiracy theories, could you elaborate more?
We are tired of your conspiracy theories. I don't think that in Turkey nor in Greece you guys sow yet any war within your countries.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:11
Guys
this war will expand, soon,

it will pass to balkans soon enough,
Maybe it will come to Greece either! Don't worry for the Albanians, they are known for many good and bad stuffs, but certainly not for cowards.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:13
I can't believe that US is still trying to help and rebuild Iraq, as it was a country. Iraq is gone forever, period. To really give a blow to ISIS is a promise from the US, West and UN to Sunnis of Iraq that they will receive their own and new country from Iraq-Sunni land. In this case they wouldn't need ISIS to protect them from Shia/Iran coalition. Also some framework is needed to work on Sunni Iraqi and Kurdish boarder. It should be worked out under multilateral UN umbrella for example. Otherwise, when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.
I am contrary this UN umbrella. We sow them in ex Yugoslavia. They are not capable for anything

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:17
For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem. Although I am not specifically sympathetic to Kurds I do support their efforts for independence. An ethnic community of that size without a country is not right.
US is not in a favorable position to support Kurdish independence since in the Arab world it will be seen as not a friendly move by the US against another Arab country. Arabs are a big community in the are which are projected that in two decades to number maybe 600 million souls.
Yes, good observation. But don't see all the Arabs as a unified entity. They are different from each other. A Moroccan is different from a Saudi Arab.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:23
Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.
Kurds are sunny, but not all of them as far as I know. Some of them are Shiites. Don't forget that they are liberal Muslims rather then the Arabs. This is a point which convince the Americans to support them

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:25
I'm sure Kurdistan will be a part of NATO in 10-20 years. A crazy world.
Will be there still a NATO after 15 years! ? At least as it is now.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:28
There is no win win

Strong Kurdistan in Russian Pact will displease Iran and Strong Kurdistan in NATO will displease Turkey.

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I hope, there will be no millitary pact on that day.
Greece and Turkey had many problems, but their are both NATO members . So I don't see any problem.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:33
[QUOTE=LeBrok;464911]Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.[/QUOTE

About 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Nobody is talking about them having their own state. When you think that 250 000 slavisized Albanians that call themselves Montenegrins have a state, and 10 mill Kurds in Iran, or another 10 mill Kurds in Turkey, or 7 Mill Kurds in Iraq, or 2 million Kurds in Syria do not have a state, its kind of crazy. They do need a state. But the minute their state is created you will have Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey wanting to destroy them. So this could also be an obstacle for the US to recognize a Kurdish state. If US recognizes such a state it has to defend it. But countries against a Kurdish state have a combined population of 250 million people,
They helped Israel there. Against Israel was the entire region and Israel still survived. With the right help Kurdistan will be a strong state.

Piro Ilir
26-08-15, 13:36
Let's start with smaller Kurdistan where is a chance for creating it. Right now Syria and Iraq don't exist anymore, that's why it is the easiest way to create Kurdistan first on these territories.
If possible, joining NATO would solidify Kurdistan existence. They would have guaranteed and strong protector.
There is no need to be part of NATO to survive. Kosova is not a NATO member yet, but it's still ok

LeBrok
26-08-15, 17:17
There is no need to be part of NATO to survive. Kosova is not a NATO member yet, but it's still ok
Would it be OK without NATO spanking Serbia for genocides?

Yetos
26-08-15, 21:32
There is no need to be part of NATO to survive. Kosova is not a NATO member yet, but it's still ok



or BIG KOSSOVA IS COMING?
like what happened in Δρυμαδες Χειμαρας these days?

LeBrok
27-08-15, 03:29
or BIG KOSSOVA IS COMING?
like what happened in Δρυμαδες Χειμαρας these days?
Are you afraid of Big Kossova? You always talk about its coming.

Yetos
27-08-15, 05:34
Are you afraid of Big Kossova? You always talk about its coming.

not me, it is not touching me,

others do afraid it,

Arame
27-08-15, 10:09
I think Erdogan's main objective is to use this war against Kurds to get a parliamentary majority. He will find a way to not allow Kurdish party into elections. And also this war could help to get some nationalistic voices on his side.

The new election is at 1st November.

Boreas
27-08-15, 11:52
I think Erdogan's main objective is to use this war against Kurds to get a parliamentary majority. He will find a way to not allow Kurdish party into elections. And also this war could help to get some nationalistic voices on his side.

The new election is at 1st November.

Many people who is anti-Erdoğan think like that, however I don't think his policy can change anything. Because of the strong political polarisation, I don't believe that it works.

and also last polls confirm me. There is no big changes.


http://www.internethaber.com/images/other/ekran-resmi-2015-08-27-09.48.24.png

Blue is the last election
Orange is the possible result of November election

Alan
27-08-15, 15:09
a massacre is currently going on in Southeast. It's not about PKK.

Civilians are slaughter and shot at by the Turkish terror state.

4 civilians dead again.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/posts/1639609386310493

This is not Syria. Turkish army burns down homes and shoots wildly into the public.

https://www.facebook.com/LeylaZanaAgiri/videos/1623023204617464/


No difference to ISIS. ISIS has learned well from their masters.

Alan
27-08-15, 15:33
for gods sake they are spraying bullets at the people who try to transport the corps of the killed.

Alan
28-08-15, 02:33
Mesut Sanri was a father from three children, but now he is dead because turkish state killed him brutally.


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11058622_1639909919613773_6653388893419564271_n.pn g?oh=f10ef25ba9d8cf931761fede945b9f66&oe=56841876

Alan
28-08-15, 02:38
graphic image

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11781714_1639890566282375_409961739435383193_n.jpg ?oh=6e7d823e33aa948a33f0ea3735657898&oe=563B5D52


currently a massacre is going on in the Southeast the Turkish army is insanly massacring civilians.

Alan
28-08-15, 02:48
His name is Baran Cagli but he is not so lucky, yesterday turkish state killed him at his 7. One of two children that got killed yesterday in Cizre.

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11924226_1639905309614234_9184347628748799079_n.pn g?oh=38ccf51724a23174cb674c995c558fe1&oe=566A4E2A

LeBrok
28-08-15, 03:35
Terrible things, shame on Turkey's government. Where is this happening in Turkey?

LeBrok
28-08-15, 03:43
I think Erdogan's main objective is to use this war against Kurds to get a parliamentary majority. He will find a way to not allow Kurdish party into elections. And also this war could help to get some nationalistic voices on his side.

The new election is at 1st November.
I think he is creating a threat of Kurdistan, to revive old enemy, to get Turkey nationalists behind him. " I, the defender of Turkey, will save you from Kurds who want to kill you and destroy our country." He creates a need for himself, as a strong leader, the protector. Old tactics, but it might work. To bad so many innocent people will suffer for his dream and arrogance.

Alan
28-08-15, 09:54
Terrible things, shame on Turkey's government. Where is this happening in Turkey?

Hakkari, Cizre and Varto. alone yesterday 10 Civilians got killed 2 of them underaged children. Those people have no mercy. They have a lynch culture well seen on the Irish/Kuwaiti tourist almost lynched for a few bottle water.

Boreas
29-08-15, 08:48
Mesut Sanri was a father from three children, but now he is dead because turkish state killed him brutally.


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11058622_1639909919613773_6653388893419564271_n.pn g?oh=f10ef25ba9d8cf931761fede945b9f66&oe=56841876

For the those children, won't use them in your sided propanganda.

Mr Sanri was dead in the conflict which began after Kurdish force attacked with bazooka, But of course this was tiny little detail for you. He and his children are just a propoganda tool for you.

Alan
29-08-15, 14:20
@Lebrok

you heard that? A Rocket Launcher attack happened by Kurdish forces, "Better kill some Kurdish civilians as revenge." Since when has the attack of militants become an excuse to kill civilians? There is a reason for that killing of civilians is considered war crimes and crime against humanity. Absolutely magnificent excuse that only crypto fascistic people could come up with. Trying very hard to defend any action by it's own state and army and than claim not to be pro government.

Maybe this boy had a Bazooka too?

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11924226_1639905309614234_9184347628748799079_n.pn g?oh=38ccf51724a23174cb674c995c558fe1&oe=566A4E2A

LeBrok
29-08-15, 17:23
I don't want to diminish a pain of losing kids and other atrocities of war. Sometimes however civilians die as a "collateral damage", and they are not a target of military actions. However it might be questionable how hard Turkey military is trying to avoid hitting civilians. They might not care at all.

Piro Ilir
30-08-15, 13:58
Would it be OK without NATO spanking Serbia for genocides?
I mean it is not yet officially a NATO member. So it's not necessary being a NATO member to survive. But as I already said USA is gonna help Kurdistan a lot even if they will be not a NATO member.

Piro Ilir
30-08-15, 14:01
or BIG KOSSOVA IS COMING?
like what happened in Δρυμαδες Χειμαρας these days?
Could you write in English and in Latin letters. I don't have knowledge onto the Greek language and for more on Cyrillic letters too.

Piro Ilir
30-08-15, 14:02
Are you afraid of Big Kossova? You always talk about its coming.
Kosova is the smallest state of the Balkans! [emoji23] . So small and so much fear

Piro Ilir
30-08-15, 14:03
not me, it is not touching me,

others do afraid it,
Who are the others?

Piro Ilir
30-08-15, 14:12
I think Erdogan's main objective is to use this war against Kurds to get a parliamentary majority. He will find a way to not allow Kurdish party into elections. And also this war could help to get some nationalistic voices on his side.

The new election is at 1st November.
What way he could find.

Alan
30-08-15, 23:06
I don't want to diminish a pain of losing kids and other atrocities of war. Sometimes however civilians die as a "collateral damage", and they are not a target of military actions. However it might be questionable how hard Turkey military is trying to avoid hitting civilians. They might not care at all.

trying to avoid? they are deliberately killing children as punishment against the Kurds for voting against the Turkish government and their wish for more rights.

Today again.
Graphic 18+
Turkish security forces killed another kurdish kid in northern kurdistan

Don't watch it if you have weak stomach a Children crushed by militrary truck and left lying. Imagine you had to see your kid in that situation. Where are the "freedom loving " pro Palestinian Turks? SInce I remember the majority of the Turkish public has been hypocritic.

Turkey has always been a bloodthirty ruthless country and the government represents the majority of it's people.


https://www.facebook.com/1623979687877668/videos/1643732092569094/

Alan
30-08-15, 23:32
Victims of torture from Turkish special forces.

a father and his two sons.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=502908369859364&id=496011220549079

Goga
04-09-15, 00:21
It's going very bad with Turkish economy.


" Turkey Downgrade Already in the Price as Bonds Trade Like Junk " : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-20/turkey-downgrade-already-in-the-price-as-bonds-trade-like-junk


" Lira at 3 to the Dollar Brings Turkey Recovery No Closer " : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-20/lira-at-3-to-the-dollar-brings-turkey-recovery-no-closer

Goga
04-09-15, 00:26
I think Erdogan's main objective is to use this war against Kurds to get a parliamentary majority. He will find a way to not allow Kurdish party into elections. And also this war could help to get some nationalistic voices on his side.

The new election is at 1st November.Islamic terrorist leader Erdogan is finished, he will go to jail. Either his own Turks will bring him to jail. Otherwise he will end in a criminal court like Milosovic.
So Erdogan is going down and Turkye with him. Turkey is finished. As a failed terrorist state it has no right to exist. When a state doesn't protect its own citizen, there is no meaning for such a state to exist or to have a monopoly in power. Instead protecting own citizen terrorist failed state Turkey is killing own citizens..

Goga
04-09-15, 00:32
They helped Israel there. Against Israel was the entire region and Israel still survived. With the right help Kurdistan will be a strong state.Israel is playing very dirty games. It was also involved in the Ezdi genocide. I was for a very long time a supporter of Israel and Jews, but after the genocide I'm not anymore.
Israel is not a friend of Kurdistan and NEVER was. I've just realised that after the genocide. Israel is just trying to use some Islamofascist fundamentalist tribal leaders (child killers) like Barzani who are the biggest enemies of Kurdistan.


The REAL Kurds always knew that, but I was blind / naïve ! Jews are Semitic folks and were always the biggest enemies of Iranid race...

Goga
04-09-15, 00:52
Guys,

no matter Turkey, Syrria Iraq or even Antarctica,

I think Kurds, deserve a piece of land to create their state,
I do not know how big,
I do not know where,
but when you have a clear indipendent state,
Everybody respects you different
Turks are desperate. Their country is finished. They don't know what to do, so they are showing their brutality out of desperation. BUT the more brutal our enemies get, the more stronger Kurds are becoming. Their brutality will come back on them. And their brutality does make Kurds even more stronger.

Their Islam religion showed a very ugly face, they hoped for a revival of Islam to destroy the identity and race of the Kurds. Islam had a chance, but Islam showed its true nature and GENOCIDAL Islam will NEVER get a chance again to gain some importance on this planet. Islam is finished too.

Jews, Turks tried to fool the REAL Kurd with Islam for Jewish, Turkish agenda. They tried to use Kurds to fight for them in the name of Islam. Some Islamic Kurdish traitors in South Kurdistan agreed with them. And they are the one who are responsible for the Ezdi genocide. And they will pay for that with blood. Such a huge crime like a genocide and the criminals who are responsible for it are always being caught and brought to justice!


Kurds are true and only ARYAN people. Our language is Aryan, our heritage is Aryan and our native religion (the Yezidism/Zoroastrianism) is Aryan. We build the Median Empire.
According to me the second biggest achievement of the Kurds after the Median Empire is the PKK and the ideology of PKK. PKK is a PAN-Kurdistan ideology. It brings all REAL Kurds together.
The PKK rescued the Ezdi Kurds from a total extermination. Without the PKK the Yezdism wouldn't exist. So the PKK is actually the guardian of Kurds, Kurdistan and Kurdish culture/identity. Our enemies tried to destroy Kurdish roots and Kurdish history, becasue the main goal was to destroy Kurdish identity. BUT the PKK stopped them.

The PKK stopped all our enemies! And PKK will defeat all our enemies!

PKK is defeating the Muslim/Islam extremism in Kurdistan and most REAL Kurds are PKK. 50 million Aryan Kurds are all behind the PKK!

Islamic traitors like Barzani who helped the Turks and Arabs are finished. The REAL Kurds are awaken and PKK will lead us the REAL Kurds, the original Aryans (builders) of the Median/Persian Empire, to a victory.


Amed in Northern Kurdistan will be the capital of Great Kurdistan!

Alan
04-09-15, 01:24
damnit I wanted to give him a negative rep. But he get a positive one.

Yetos
04-09-15, 01:50
Islamic terrorist leader Erdogan is finished, he will go to jail. Either his own Turks will bring him to jail. Otherwise he will end in a criminal court like Milosovic.
So Erdogan is going down and Turkye with him. Turkey is finished. As a failed terrorist state it has no right to exist. When a state doesn't protect its own citizen, there is no meaning for such a state to exist or to have a monopoly in power. Instead protecting own citizen terrorist failed state Turkey is killing own citizens..

you run fast,
his role has not finished
wait to see,

Goga
04-09-15, 02:00
damnit I wanted to give him a negative rep. But he get a positive one.Thank you for your reputation. If Jews were friends of Kurds they would support PKK and the Ezdi Kurds. Instead, they are committing crimes against the Kurds (selling weapons to Muslim Turks/ISIS/Arabs) and were involved in the Ezdi genocide.


Jews are not going to use the REAL Kurds against the Persians! Let their unevolved subhuman Daesh dogs attack Persia. Becasue the REAL Kurds will never do this for them or other people.


From now on the Kurds will only fight for Kurds and Kurdistan and nothing else...

Goga
04-09-15, 02:02
you run fast,
his role has not finished
wait to see,
He is finished. He can only do the worst things. What he still can do is to kill more innocent children an women, he can destroy few more Kurdish villages. He can commit more crimes against humanity. He is so much deep in sh*t that that he can and will commit such crimes against humanity. At this moment he only thinks about his own survival and not about the future of Turkey. Such criminal people who are not even certain of their very near future are finished. His end is very clear & near.

He failed in everything. He can’t stop 50 million Kurds. Nobody can!


But Turkey is finished. The economy of Turkey is going down. NATIVE people in Northern Kurdistan are awaken and are ready to fight till the end. We (PKK), the children of the Medes, will defeat the Turks who are originally from the Altai Mountains.

Alan
05-09-15, 04:34
Thank you for your reputation. If Jews were friends of Kurds they would support PKK and the Ezdi Kurds. Instead, they are committing crimes against the Kurds (selling weapons to Muslim Turks/ISIS/Arabs) and were involved in the Ezdi genocide.


Jews are not going to use the REAL Kurds against the Persians! Let their unevolved subhuman Daesh dogs attack Persia. Becasue the REAL Kurds will never do this for them or other people.


From now on the Kurds will only fight for Kurds and Kurdistan and nothing else...



Keep your persian fettish for yourself. While Iran was equiping the Iraqi Army (which in turn lost their weapons to ISIS) a Jewish man from Canada bought the captive Yezidis their freedom.
How many Yezidi Kurds did Iran save?
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.673270


You are misinformed and easy to manipulate (probably got a dozen Iranian friends who are telling you this crap).

Putting you and Boreas in one room would be fun to watch.

Vallicanus
05-09-15, 10:35
This is a fascinating and important discussion not only for the Middle East but also Europe.

However, I do not see how Islam is finished.

Quite the opposite as I see it and likely to expand in Europe.

Piro Ilir
08-09-15, 21:02
Islamic terrorist leader Erdogan is finished, he will go to jail. Either his own Turks will bring him to jail. Otherwise he will end in a criminal court like Milosovic.
So Erdogan is going down and Turkye with him. Turkey is finished. As a failed terrorist state it has no right to exist. When a state doesn't protect its own citizen, there is no meaning for such a state to exist or to have a monopoly in power. Instead protecting own citizen terrorist failed state Turkey is killing own citizens..
It's just your wish, or you have any argument to support that?

Piro Ilir
08-09-15, 21:07
Israel is playing very dirty games. It was also involved in the Ezdi genocide. I was for a very long time a supporter of Israel and Jews, but after the genocide I'm not anymore.
Israel is not a friend of Kurdistan and NEVER was. I've just realised that after the genocide. Israel is just trying to use some Islamofascist fundamentalist tribal leaders (child killers) like Barzani who are the biggest enemies of Kurdistan.


The REAL Kurds always knew that, but I was blind / naïve ! Jews are Semitic folks and were always the biggest enemies of Iranid race...

What is the Ezdi genocide?
I didn't mentioned Israel. I said that USA will support the Kurdistan, as already they done with Israel. Israel is strong because of USA supports. As far as I know the Jews didn't killed any Kurds

Piro Ilir
08-09-15, 21:12
Turks are desperate. Their country is finished. They don't know what to do, so they are showing their brutality out of desperation. BUT the more brutal our enemies get, the more stronger Kurds are becoming. Their brutality will come back on them. And their brutality does make Kurds even more stronger.

Their Islam religion showed a very ugly face, they hoped for a revival of Islam to destroy the identity and race of the Kurds. Islam had a chance, but Islam showed its true nature and GENOCIDAL Islam will NEVER get a chance again to gain some importance on this planet. Islam is finished too.

Jews, Turks tried to fool the REAL Kurd with Islam for Jewish, Turkish agenda. They tried to use Kurds to fight for them in the name of Islam. Some Islamic Kurdish traitors in South Kurdistan agreed with them. And they are the one who are responsible for the Ezdi genocide. And they will pay for that with blood. Such a huge crime like a genocide and the criminals who are responsible for it are always being caught and brought to justice!


Kurds are true and only ARYAN people. Our language is Aryan, our heritage is Aryan and our native religion (the Yezidism/Zoroastrianism) is Aryan. We build the Median Empire.
According to me the second biggest achievement of the Kurds after the Median Empire is the PKK and the ideology of PKK. PKK is a PAN-Kurdistan ideology. It brings all REAL Kurds together.
The PKK rescued the Ezdi Kurds from a total extermination. Without the PKK the Yezdism wouldn't exist. So the PKK is actually the guardian of Kurds, Kurdistan and Kurdish culture/identity. Our enemies tried to destroy Kurdish roots and Kurdish history, becasue the main goal was to destroy Kurdish identity. BUT the PKK stopped them.

The PKK stopped all our enemies! And PKK will defeat all our enemies!

PKK is defeating the Muslim/Islam extremism in Kurdistan and most REAL Kurds are PKK. 50 million Aryan Kurds are all behind the PKK!

Islamic traitors like Barzani who helped the Turks and Arabs are finished. The REAL Kurds are awaken and PKK will lead us the REAL Kurds, the original Aryans (builders) of the Median/Persian Empire, to a victory.


Amed in Northern Kurdistan will be the capital of Great Kurdistan!
Who is Barzani? Why he is a traitor? You mean that the majority of Kurds are communists? [emoji2]

Piro Ilir
08-09-15, 21:19
This is a fascinating and important discussion not only for the Middle East but also Europe.

However, I do not see how Islam is finished.

Quite the opposite as I see it and likely to expand in Europe.
It looks like that after 100 years the whole Europe will be Islamic. All the studies agree on this. I hope it will be a tolerant Islam ,although neither of us could be alive till that time.

Piro Ilir
08-09-15, 21:21
Keep your persian fettish for yourself. While Iran was equiping the Iraqi Army (which in turn lost their weapons to ISIS) a Jewish man from Canada bought the captive Yezidis their freedom.
How many Yezidi Kurds did Iran save?
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.673270


You are misinformed and easy to manipulate (probably got a dozen Iranian friends who are telling you this crap).

Putting you and Boreas in one room would be fun to watch.
The great damage against the Kurds, would be the alliance within the Iran. I hope for a democratic Kurdistan

Goga
08-09-15, 22:30
It's just your wish, or you have any argument to support that?
We live in the 21st century. The world is not blind, he will come to his end. Just wait and see. Only by the way how he acts, what he says you can see that he is desperate.

Goga
08-09-15, 22:36
What is the Ezdi genocide?
I didn't mentioned Israel. I said that USA will support the Kurdistan, as already they done with Israel. Israel is strong because of USA supports. As far as I know the Jews didn't killed any Kurds
Ezdi Kurds live since the beginning of the human history in Shengal & Shexan which is part of the Greater Kurdistan. Their earliest known ancestors were the Sumerian who were responsible for many great civilisations and the Sumerians were ancestors of Iranid people like the Mitanni, Kassites and therefore the Medes. The Medes are direct ancestors of the Kurds. Kurdish social structure, culture, religion etc. is a copy of the Medes. The Medes (social civil society, tribes & religious classes) were like the Ezdi.

Muslim (Turks, Barzani, Arabs, Daesh) tried to wipe out the Ezdi Kurds from their ancestral URHEIMAT. (The Ezdi religion is at least from the Sumerians). They did an ethnic cleansing and they committed mass killings of civilian population. Without the PKK they would be successful with their bad intentions and would destroy all Ezdi. But PKK stopped them.

Muslims want to be like Ezdi / Medes, but they can never be like the Ezdi. So they hate the Ezdi Kurds.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=50369#.Ve9CKzYViUk


Jews support Daesh, and Daesh attacked the Ezdi Kurds. It was in Jewish interests to make Daesh strong in Iraq and Kurdistan. Kurds in Western Kurdistan (Rojava) have evidences that Israel helps Muslim terrorists.

Yetos
08-09-15, 22:45
What is the Ezdi genocide?
I didn't mentioned Israel. I said that USA will support the Kurdistan, as already they done with Israel. Israel is strong because of USA supports. As far as I know the Jews didn't killed any Kurds

USA f***k Kurdistan
USA supported DAESH
for 1/10 of reasons bombed Yugoslavia and create Islamic Kossovo

for what reasons is against Hassant and Yezidi who are not Muslims
but does not show the same will to create Kurdistan or a new Syrria

and for x10 reasons of happened in ex-Yugoslavia, is Happening to Turkey,
But USA is not bombing Turkey
Obama is good for USA but for that area seems to be a Muslim, a hidden charlatan,

and do not tell us that Kossovo was worst than Turkey-Kurds!!!!!
it was ten times lighter, almost nothing

The area is sold, it has been bought by Arabs to immigrate there, and send all non Arabs, non Sunni Muslims away

Daesh is calling newcomers to a new country, and creates immigration,

Goga
08-09-15, 22:48
Who is Barzani? Why he is a traitor? You mean that the majority of Kurds are communists? [emoji2]
Tribal learder in South Kurdistan who works with Daesh. He has his own private army called the Peshmerga and private party called the KDP. He was president of KRG (South Kurdistan), his term has ended, but he doesn't want to leave the office. His peshmerga betrayed the Ezdi in Shengal and his Daesh monkeys attacked the Ezdi Kurds.


I'm PKK. My whole family is PKK. To sketch how big my family is. Only my father has 4 brothers and 3 sisters. I don’t even know how many cousins he has. We all are PKK.
I’m not a Communist. I’m just proud of my identity and I respect my ancestors. We want to pass the legacy, identity, history, language, culture, religion of our ancetors to our children. We want to be ourselves and nobody else that's why we are PKK and love PKK. PKK makes possible for Kurds to be themselfves. PKK saved my people from a total GENOCIDE! PKK fights for Kurdish language, Kurds and Kurdistan.

Goga
08-09-15, 23:01
It looks like that after 100 years the whole Europe will be Islamic. All the studies agree on this. I hope it will be a tolerant Islam ,although neither of us could be alive till that time.
PKK is defeating Islam in Kurdistan!

Political Islam is finished. It will never be considered as a right ideology after the Daesh. There will be never something like a Caliphate on this planet ever again. Islam will be ignored & neglected from now on.

Listen, people are free to believe in fictional Donald Duck, Allah or Santa Claus. But political Islam is finished. There will be less and less Muslims as time goes by ...

Yetos
08-09-15, 23:01
Tribal learder in South Kurdistan who works with Daesh. He has his own private army called the Peshmerga and private party called the KDP. He was president of KRG (South Kurdistan), his term is ended, but he doesn't want to live the office. His peshmerga betrayed the Ezdi in Shengal and his Daesh monkeys attacked the Ezdi Kurds.

I'm PKK. My whole family is PKK. To sketch how big my family is. Only my father has 4 brothers and 3 sisters. I don’t even know how many cousins he has. We all are PKK.
I’m not a Communist. I’m just proud of my identity and I respect my ancestors. We want to pass the legacy, identity, history, language, culture, religion of our ancetors to our children. We want to be ourselves and nobody else that’s why we are PKK. PKK makes possible for Kurds to be themselfves. PKK saved my people from a total GENOCIDE! PKK fights for Kurdish language, Kurds and Kurdistan.

if all kurds had your mind, there will never be a Kurdistan,
such cases are open aftermath,
at the times of unification, the ones who divides is .....

Goga
08-09-15, 23:13
The great damage against the Kurds, would be the alliance within the Iran. I hope for a democratic KurdistanPersians, like Kurds, belong to the same Iranid race (Aryan people). We are cousin nations of each other, we are kin to each other by race, language and culture. Kurds are ancient Medes and Persians are ancient Persians. The Medes and Persians were almost the same in the past. We have a lot common enemies in the region and in the world. Together we can be strong, we shouldn't weaken each other and diminish our chances for survival. We need each other.

I hope there will be an Aryan Union, a confederation between Great Kurdistan and Persia some day. It will be good for Kurds and it will be good for the Persians. And it will be good for the Iranid race...

Goga
08-09-15, 23:20
and for x10 reasons of happened in ex-Yugoslavia, is Happening to Turkey,
But USA is not bombing Turkey
Obama is good for USA but for that area seems to be a Muslim, a hidden charlatan,

and do not tell us that Kossovo was worst than Turkey-Kurds!!!!!
it was ten times lighter, almost nothingThere are Turks in Turkey who call to commit a GENOCIDE against 50 million Kurds. What about to commit a GENOCIDE against the Turks? We’re not like the Armenians or Pontic Greeks. If Turks try to genocide the Kurds, we will genocide the Turks!

I think that to liberate Kurdistan hundreds of thousands of Kurds will die. But I'm sure that many more Turks will die with them ...

Piro Ilir
11-09-15, 13:17
Tribal learder in South Kurdistan who works with Daesh. He has his own private army called the Peshmerga and private party called the KDP. He was president of KRG (South Kurdistan), his term has ended, but he doesn't want to leave the office. His peshmerga betrayed the Ezdi in Shengal and his Daesh monkeys attacked the Ezdi Kurds.


I'm PKK. My whole family is PKK. To sketch how big my family is. Only my father has 4 brothers and 3 sisters. I don’t even know how many cousins he has. We all are PKK.
I’m not a Communist. I’m just proud of my identity and I respect my ancestors. We want to pass the legacy, identity, history, language, culture, religion of our ancetors to our children. We want to be ourselves and nobody else that's why we are PKK and love PKK. PKK makes possible for Kurds to be themselfves. PKK saved my people from a total GENOCIDE! PKK fights for Kurdish language, Kurds and Kurdistan.
But at least you should change the name of that party. PKK, the communist party of Kurdistan.

Piro Ilir
11-09-15, 13:19
PKK is defeating Islam in Kurdistan!

Political Islam is finished. It will never be considered as a right ideology after the Daesh. There will be never something like a Caliphate on this planet ever again. Islam will be ignored & neglected from now on.

Listen, people are free to believe in fictional Donald Duck, Allah or Santa Claus. But political Islam is finished. There will be less and less Muslims as time goes by ...
What about Bashar al Assad? What about his regime

Piro Ilir
11-09-15, 13:25
Persians, like Kurds, belong to the same Iranid race (Aryan people). We are cousin nations of each other, we are kin to each other by race, language and culture. Kurds are ancient Medes and Persians are ancient Persians. The Medes and Persians were almost the same in the past. We have a lot common enemies in the region and in the world. Together we can be strong, we shouldn't weaken each other and diminish our chances for survival. We need each other.

I hope there will be an Aryan Union, a confederation between Great Kurdistan and Persia some day. It will be good for Kurds and it will be good for the Persians. And it will be good for the Iranid race...
I thought you are against the Muslims. As we know the Iran is some kind of caliphate. They are a theocratic state. They are ruled by the supreme leader, khamenei. He is akin to a caliph. Also the Iran is in alliance within the Russia. They all are part of axis of evil. And don't forget that Turkey is still part of NATO. Which means, a war against Turkey means a war against NATO

Piro Ilir
11-09-15, 13:35
USA f***k Kurdistan
USA supported DAESH
for 1/10 of reasons bombed Yugoslavia and create Islamic Kossovo

for what reasons is against Hassant and Yezidi who are not Muslims
but does not show the same will to create Kurdistan or a new Syrria

and for x10 reasons of happened in ex-Yugoslavia, is Happening to Turkey,
But USA is not bombing Turkey
Obama is good for USA but for that area seems to be a Muslim, a hidden charlatan,

and do not tell us that Kossovo was worst than Turkey-Kurds!!!!!
it was ten times lighter, almost nothing

The area is sold, it has been bought by Arabs to immigrate there, and send all non Arabs, non Sunni Muslims away

Daesh is calling newcomers to a new country, and creates immigration,
Is not in the USA interests, to destroy the Kurds. The real problem on the region is Russia. They are sending soldiers there. They also are building new military base there. Do you have any argument about your claim that kosova is an Islamic state. Quite contrary, as far as we know kosova is a secular state.

Boreas
11-09-15, 15:36
... Also the Iran is in alliance within the Russia. They all are part of axis of evil...

Two sides are evil :laughing:

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_800_800/AAEAAQAAAAAAAABHAAAAJDE3YmI5MjUyLWE2OWEtNGY5Yy1hY2 MzLTcyMTc2YTIyM2M5NA.jpg

Yetos
11-09-15, 20:22
Is not in the USA interests, to destroy the Kurds. The realhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#95701352) problem on the region is Russia. They are sending soldiers there. They also are building newhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#28428822) military base there. Do you have any argument about your claim that kosova is an Islamic state. Quite contrary, as far as we know kosova is a secular state.

yes with 400 troops at DAESH,
Al Kosova


anyway,
search history better,
not even USAr's speak like you cause they know,
you seem to be more AMERICA than the Americans,
anyway about Russia?
just ask your shelf, from where are the guns that Daesh is using?
no need to answer you,
lets give guns to Huron to eliminate Iroqois
No we never kill any Iroqois

:27:

LeBrok
12-09-15, 02:29
yes with 400 troops at DAESH,
Al Kosova


anyway,
search history better,
not even USAr's speak like you cause they know,
you seem to be more AMERICA than the Americans,
anyway about Russia?
just ask your shelf, from where are the guns that Daesh is using?
no need to answer you,
lets give guns to Huron to eliminate Iroqois
No we never kill any Iroqois

:27:

Do you mean Iroquois or Iraqis? The are a world away.

Alan
12-09-15, 12:41
a massive massacre on the civil population in Cizre is going on right now.

tweets:
Journalist Matthieu Delmas in Cizre: "Big explosions hear now in the city. Its not finish"

Turkish Snipers are everywhere, on mosques and other buildings shooting everything and anything.


Turkish Police says into the loud speaker following words to the people of Cizre:" You're all armenians, the armenians are proud of you"

We know what happened to Armenians do we? A threat for massacre on the civilians. They shoot on the civilians as clearly hearable.
https://video-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t42.1790-2/11837722_1645289735742458_1872144030_n.mp4?efg=eyJ ybHIiOjMwMCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=300&vabr=97&oh=57e417d6c7a1d910554c71cf9ef010c8&oe=55F413CC

Sedat Akbas was killed by Turkish nationalists in Istanbul with a knive because he dared to speak Kurdish with his mother on phone.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/posts/1644109669193798

10 years old child was hit by a bullet on his Head. The Shot was from a Turkish Sniper in Cizre. As a Sniper you can't hit a children without purpose. This has absolutely nothing to do with collateral damage. The children was chosen and shot in the head!

Turkish soldiers stormed a house and shot wildley around killing a mother and extremely wounding it's baby.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=532233610268194&id=245193615638863

Kurdish girl hit in the chest by Turkish sniper fire and died.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1451623001775800.1073741829.1401940726744028/1643551902582908/?type=1
13 years old Cemile Çağırga killed by turkish Sniper in Cizre.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1446309512307149.1073741828.1401940726744028/1643381629266602/?type=1


A Kurdish civilians beaten by Turkish racist mob in Beypazari, Ankara.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1451623001775800.1073741829.1401940726744028/1644224552515643/?type=1


Our contact sended us a video, where mortar shells been filmed in Cizre. That night eight civilians been killed in result of these shells.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/videos/1645349342403164/

Turkish snipers on top of mosque
https://www.facebook.com/cizre.org/photos/a.483134305104686.1073741830.406700389414745/901491589935620/?type=1


PKK Killed as retaliation 15 Turkish soldiers in Daglica. Turkey describes it as "terrorist attack against innocent soldiers"

Currently racist Turkish mobs are walking down the streets searching for defensless Kurdish people and attacking them in groups or even swarms and burning homes, businesses and offices of the Kurdish HDP party. Very often in assistence of Turkish police.

http://www.janes.com/article/54112/intensification-of-violent-protests-targeting-kurdish-assets-in-turkey-reduces-likelihood-of-resumption-of-peace-process

This all happened just withing the last week

1933 very much. If the world keeps watching Turkey will be having it's second big genocide in it's history. Turkish racism is deep since more than a century Turkish education system adds to it. It only teaches racism and gives the people superiority complexes.

Piro Ilir
12-09-15, 13:35
Two sides are evil :laughing:

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_800_800/AAEAAQAAAAAAAABHAAAAJDE3YmI5MjUyLWE2OWEtNGY5Yy1hY2 MzLTcyMTc2YTIyM2M5NA.jpg
As far as I know, Turkey is still a capitalist country [emoji57]

Piro Ilir
12-09-15, 13:47
yes with 400 troops at DAESH,
Al Kosova


anyway,
search history better,
not even USAr's speak like you cause they know,
you seem to be more AMERICA than the Americans,
anyway about Russia?
just ask your shelf, from where are the guns that Daesh is using?
no need to answer you,
lets give guns to Huron to eliminate Iroqois
No we never kill any Iroqois

:27:
Do you have any evidence to support these 400 daesh soldiers. No. Many of the soldiers who participated in the Syrian war, went before that Isis was formed. The goal was to fight against Assad. Today the number is almost zero. Many citizens of Britain and France went to fight in Syria, this not mean these states are Islamic. Again, do you have any evidence to support your claims against kosova. The only state partly theocratic in Europe is Greece.

Boreas
12-09-15, 14:19
As far as I know, Turkey is still a capitalist country [emoji57]

Does it change any thing? If I think that Capitalism is Evil and Turkey is a capitalist country, answer is clear.

LeBrok
12-09-15, 22:30
a massive massacre on the civil population in Cizre is going on right now.

tweets:
Journalist Matthieu Delmas in Cizre: "Big explosions hear now in the city. Its not finish"

Turkish Snipers are everywhere, on mosques and other buildings shooting everything and anything.


Turkish Police says into the loud speaker following words to the people of Cizre:" You're all armenians, the armenians are proud of you"

We know what happened to Armenians do we? A threat for massacre on the civilians. They shoot on the civilians as clearly hearable.
https://video-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpt1/v/t42.1790-2/11837722_1645289735742458_1872144030_n.mp4?efg=eyJ ybHIiOjMwMCwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=300&vabr=97&oh=57e417d6c7a1d910554c71cf9ef010c8&oe=55F413CC

Sedat Akbas was killed by Turkish nationalists in Istanbul with a knive because he dared to speak Kurdish with his mother on phone.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/posts/1644109669193798

10 years old child was hit by a bullet on his Head. The Shot was from a Turkish Sniper in Cizre. As a Sniper you can't hit a children without purpose. This has absolutely nothing to do with collateral damage. The children was chosen and shot in the head!

Turkish soldiers stormed a house and shot wildley around killing a mother and extremely wounding it's baby.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=532233610268194&id=245193615638863

Kurdish girl hit in the chest by Turkish sniper fire and died.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1451623001775800.1073741829.1401940726744028/1643551902582908/?type=1
13 years old Cemile Çağırga killed by turkish Sniper in Cizre.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1446309512307149.1073741828.1401940726744028/1643381629266602/?type=1


A Kurdish civilians beaten by Turkish racist mob in Beypazari, Ankara.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/photos/a.1451623001775800.1073741829.1401940726744028/1644224552515643/?type=1


Our contact sended us a video, where mortar shells been filmed in Cizre. That night eight civilians been killed in result of these shells.
https://www.facebook.com/KurdischeNachrichtenCom/videos/1645349342403164/

Turkish snipers on top of mosque
https://www.facebook.com/cizre.org/photos/a.483134305104686.1073741830.406700389414745/901491589935620/?type=1


PKK Killed as retaliation 15 Turkish soldiers in Daglica. Turkey describes it as "terrorist attack against innocent soldiers"

Currently racist Turkish mobs are walking down the streets searching for defensless Kurdish people and attacking them in groups or even swarms and burning homes, businesses and offices of the Kurdish HDP party. Very often in assistence of Turkish police.

http://www.janes.com/article/54112/intensification-of-violent-protests-targeting-kurdish-assets-in-turkey-reduces-likelihood-of-resumption-of-peace-process

This all happened just withing the last week

1933 very much. If the world keeps watching Turkey will be having it's second big genocide in it's history. Turkish racism is deep since more than a century Turkish education system adds to it. It only teaches racism and gives the people superiority complexes.

This is awful stuff happening. I have no idea how Turkey government figured out that by force, crime, murders, terror they will avoid independent Kurdistan. It will have opposite effect. Kurds will feel more alienated and hated and will desire their own country even more.

LeBrok
12-09-15, 22:33
Does it change any thing? If I think that Capitalism is Evil and Turkey is a capitalist country, answer is clear.
I'm curious, with no negative intent. How is the sympathy in Turks towards ISIS in general? Is there a chance of Daesh spreading to Turkey?

Goga
12-09-15, 23:36
I thought you are against the Muslims. As we know the Iran is some kind of caliphate. They are a theocratic state. They are ruled by the supreme leader, khamenei. He is akin to a caliph. Also the Iran is in alliance within the Russia. They all are part of axis of evil. And don't forget that Turkey is still part of NATO. Which means, a war against Turkey means a war against NATO

You are short sighted. You have to have a vision. Islam is only 1000 years old, while Iranid (Aryan) race is 8000 years old, from the era of the Sumerians. At one point Persians and Kurds were the same people. Both nations are descendants of proto-Iranic Mitanni who lived next to the Hittites in Northern Mesopotamia. Mitanni and Kassites evolved from the Sumerians. And descendants of Mitanni were Medes & Persians. Sooner or later Ayatollahs of Iran will go away. 1000 years ago Persians were Zoroastrians, there was no Islam in Persia.
PKK has defeated Islam in Kurdistan, Persians will also defeat this alian Arabo-Semitic religion Islam in their own country.

I've got a vision. I'm sure Islam will be defeated in Persia, like it was defeated in Kurdistan. When that happens, Kurds and Persians should unite and build a confederation together.

Goga
12-09-15, 23:40
" FBI says 'Australian IS jihadist' is actually a Jewish American trolil named Joshua Ryne Goldberg "


http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/k/8/m/f/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gjk852.png/1442007459916.jpg


http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-*****-20150911-gjk852.html

oriental
12-09-15, 23:54
I may be wrong but my personal feeling is Judaism is just a religion therefore this Jihadist is not Jewish if he believes in the Koran.:startled:

Boreas
12-09-15, 23:57
I'm curious, with no negative intent. How is the sympathy in Turks towards ISIS in general? Is there a chance of Daesh spreading to Turkey?

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/09/20140901_ISIS_0.jpg

Is it enough answer? According to Turkish Population, Turk fighter in ISIS is very limited

LABERIA
13-09-15, 00:05
You are short sighted. You have to have a vision. Islam is only 1000 years old, while Iranid (Aryan) race is 8000 years old, from the era of the Sumerians. At one point Persians and Kurds were the same people. Both nations are descendants of proto-Iranic Mitanni who lived next to the Hittites in Northern Mesopotamia. Mitanni and Kassites evolved from the Sumerians. And descendants of Mitanni were Medes & Persians. Sooner or later Ayatollahs of Iran will go away. 1000 years ago Persians were Zoroastrians, there was no Islam in Persia.
PKK has defeated Islam in Kurdistan, Persians will also defeat this alian Arabo-Semitic religion Islam in their own country.

I've got a vision. I'm sure Islam will be defeated in Persia, like it was defeated in Kurdistan. When that happens, Kurds and Persians should unite and build a confederation together.
And what is the religion of Kurds?

LABERIA
13-09-15, 00:06
And what is the religion of Kurds?

PKK is communist party. Are you atheist?

Goga
13-09-15, 00:10
And what is the religion of Kurds?I'm the purest Kurd you can get, and I'm Ezdi. Nothing to do wil Islam at all.

The original religion and the only native Kurdish religion of the Kurds is Yazdanism and Zoroastrianism. All Kurmanji Kurds were like me and were Ezdi. Sorani Kurds are Zoroastrians, like Persians..

Goga
13-09-15, 00:15
PKK is communist party. Are you atheist?Communism is outdated and is an ideology of the nineties century. PKK is an Aryan modern-day organisation that is a combination of many ideologies. It has something from neo-Marxism, neo-nationalism, neo-realism, neo-post-constructionism and even something from neo-liberalism and neo-feminism. It has evolved from all those nineties century ideologies. It has a little bit of everything.

I'm not an atheist. I do believe in Kurdish Xode.

Goga
13-09-15, 00:17
I'm the purest Kurd you can get, and I'm Ezdi.

The original religion and the only native Kurdish religion of the Kurds is Yazdanism and Zoroastrianism. All Kurmanji Kurds were like me and were Ezdi. Sorani Kurds are Zoroastrians.Yazdanism & Zoroastrianism have common roots and evovled from something like Mithraism of the ancient Aryan Mittani & Kassites folks from the Northern Mesopotamia. But I believe that Yazdanism is much older than the Zoroastrianism.

Yetos
13-09-15, 00:41
Yazdanism & Zoroastrianism have common roots and evovled from something Mithraism of the ancient Aryan Mittani & Kassites folks from the Northern Mesopotamia. But I believe that Yazdanism is much older than the Zoroastrianism.

do you know Mithras what means and who came from?

some parts of his worship are still alive today

LABERIA
13-09-15, 00:49
Communism is outdated and is an ideology of the nineties century. PKK is an Aryan modern-day organisation that is a combination of many ideologies. It has something from neo-Marxism, neo-nationalism, neo-realism, neo-post-constructionism and even something from neo-liberalism and neo-feminism. It has evolved from all those nineties century ideologies. It has a little bit of everything.

I'm not an atheist. I do believe in Kurdish Xode.
Ocalan, continues to be leader of PKK? I think greek secret services sold him to their turkish colleagues.

Goga
13-09-15, 00:56
do you know Mithras what means and who came from?

some parts of his worship are still alive today
Mithra is described in the Zoroastrian Avesta scriptures as, "Mithra of wide pastures, of the thousand ears, and of the myriad eyes,"(Yasna 1:3), "the lofty, and the everlasting...the province ruler,"(Yasna 1:11) "the Yazad (divinity) of the spoken name"(Yasna 3:5), and "the holy,"(Yasna 3:13)


Mithra = SUN or Mithra = Starchild


The Khorda Avesta (Book of Common Prayer) also refer to Mithra in the Litany to the Sun, "Homage to Mithra of wide cattle pastures,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 5), "Whose word is true, who is of the assembly,Who has a thousand ears, the well-shaped one,Who has ten thousand eyes, the exalted one,Who has wide knowledge, the helpful one,Who sleeps not, the ever wakeful.We sacrifice to Mithra, The lord of all countries,Whom Ahura Mazda created the most glorious, Of the supernatural yazads. So may there come to us for aid, Both Mithra and Ahura, the two exalted ones,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 6-7), "I shall sacrifice to his mace, well aimed against the skulls of the Daevas,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 15). Some recent theories have claimed Mithra represents the sun itself, but the Khorda Avesta refers to the sun as a separate entity as well as the moon with which the sun has "the best of friendships," (Khwarshed Niyayesh 15)



Before the advent of Zoroastrianism and was associated with the axis mundi, or the centre of the world. The most common image of Zurvān depicts a winged, lion-headed deity encircled by a serpent, representing the motion of the SUN.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Zurvan



Also there's a link between Zurvan and the chief solar deity in Hinduism, Surya (Suraya). The term Surya also refers to the Sun, in general

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya


"Some scholars seek an origin for Zurvanism outside Zoroastrianism, in the worship of an ancient Median or pre-Iranian god. Although in its fatalism and pessimism Zurvanism is basically opposed to true Zoroastrianism, it seems probable that in cult and in a large body of doctrine it made few breaks with orthodoxy. It was in Zurvanite form that Zoroastrianism influenced Mithraism (in which Zurvān was an important deity) and Manichaeism.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Zurvanism

Goga
13-09-15, 01:00
Ocalan, continues to be leader of PKK? I think greek secret services sold him to their turkish colleagues.
Yes, as long he lives APO is our (spiritual) leader. You can see him as a Kurdish philosopher. Yes. PKK doesn’t betray own influential philosophers. But as long he is NOT free, he has no (very limited) power within PKK.


PKK doesn't have just 1 leader, but MANY leaders. It's like our Kurdish Aryan SUN (Mithra) with many sunbeams..

LABERIA
13-09-15, 01:03
Turgut Ozal, i think was a kurd. I have heard that turks poisoned him. Is it true?

Goga
13-09-15, 01:16
Turgut Ozal, i think was a kurd. I have heard that turks poisoned him. Is it true?
I think he was partly Kurdish. He was killed before he could democratise Turkey. He had a solution to safe Turkey, but at that time Turks still tried to assimilate Kurds. But they failed miserably.
100 years ago there were just 2-3 million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan. And Turks couldn’t even assimilate them. Now there’re 50 million Kurds. Turks are doomed to fail. The best thing for the Turks is a federation between Kurds and Turks. If Turks are not willing to form a federation with Northern Kurdistan, they will be completely defeated. No they will be destroyed.
If Turkey will not start the negotiations with the Kurds, we will see a true Balkanization of Turkey. Parts of Turkey will go to Greece, Georgia, Armenian and Northern Kurdistan will be an independent country. There will be a total GENOCDE of the Turks.

I'm a Kurdish hardliner. I do really want a big war. Big war = shortest way to Great Kurdistan. Personally, I don't like Turks. And I do really hope that Turks continue with what they are doing and that there will be a civil war. I'm 100% sure that Kurds will defeat & destroy Turks during a civil war

According to me the civil war of Turkey, will be the most bloodiest, but also the shortest way to independent Great Kurdistan.

LeBrok
13-09-15, 07:12
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/09/20140901_ISIS_0.jpg

Is it enough answer? According to Turkish Population, Turk fighter in ISIS is very limited
It is a good sign, because if Turkey fell like Syria, we would have incredibly big mess. Europeans are scared of 500 thousand Syrian refugees. Can you imagine 10 million Turkish refugees flooding into Greece and Europe?!

How is your personal feeling, are these statistics right about Turkey?

Yetos
13-09-15, 08:04
Do you mean Iroquois or Iraqis? The are a world away.

the war among the American natives nearby great lakes

Yetos
13-09-15, 08:06
Do you have any evidence to support these 400 daesh soldiers. No. Many of the soldiers who participated in the Syrian war, went before that Isis was formed. The goal was to fight against Assad. Today the number is almost zero. Many citizens of Britain and France went to fight in Syria, this not mean these states are Islamic. Again, do you have any evidence to support your claims against kosova. The only state partly theocratic in Europe is Greece.

not me
but imam Tzelebi has many

Yetos
13-09-15, 08:13
Mithra is described in the Zoroastrian Avesta scriptures as, "Mithra of wide pastures, of the thousand ears, and of the myriad eyes,"(Yasna 1:3), "the lofty, and the everlasting...the province ruler,"(Yasna 1:11) "the Yazad (divinity) of the spoken name"(Yasna 3:5), and "the holy,"(Yasna 3:13)


Mithra = SUN or Mithra = Starchild


The Khorda Avesta (Book of Common Prayer) also refer to Mithra in the Litany to the Sun, "Homage to Mithra of wide cattle pastures,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 5), "Whose word is true, who is of the assembly,Who has a thousand ears, the well-shaped one,Who has ten thousand eyes, the exalted one,Who has wide knowledge, the helpful one,Who sleeps not, the ever wakeful.We sacrifice to Mithra, The lord of all countries,Whom Ahura Mazda created the most glorious, Of the supernatural yazads. So may there come to us for aid, Both Mithra and Ahura, the two exalted ones,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 6-7), "I shall sacrifice to his mace, well aimed against the skulls of the Daevas,"(Khwarshed Niyayesh 15). Some recent theories have claimed Mithra represents the sun itself, but the Khorda Avesta refers to the sun as a separate entity as well as the moon with which the sun has "the besthttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#64346673) of friendships," (Khwarshed Niyayesh 15)



Before the advent of Zoroastrianism and was associated with the axis mundi, or the centre of the world. The most common image of Zurvān depicts a winged, lion-headed deity encircled by a serpent, representing the motion of the SUN.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Zurvan



Also there's a link between Zurvan and the chief solar deity in Hinduism, Surya (Suraya). The term Surya also refers to the Sun, in general

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya


"Some scholars seek an origin for Zurvanism outside Zoroastrianism, in the worship of an ancient Median or pre-Iranian god. Although in its fatalism and pessimism Zurvanism is basically opposed to true Zoroastrianism, it seems probable that in cult and in a large body of doctrine it made few breaks with orthodoxy. It was in Zurvanite formhttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#59290465) that Zoroastrianism influenced Mithraism (in which Zurvān was an important deity) and Manichaeism.

http://www.britannica.com/topic/Zurvanism



Mithras = Μιθρας
born from stone μυδρος
Mithras eligion is still alive today
older connect it with Indian and Avestan,
modern connect it with Cappadokian,
the killing of bull is still hapenning at Greece and Bulgaria
as also the worship of the twins, only different names due to the fear of monotheists
Mithras seems to be an Anatolian religion today
he is probably connected with the underground cities of Capadokia,
other scholars say that he was a Thracian deity since has a Phrygian helmet

At the Greek religion Mithras can be the giant Ανταιος antes=rocky moyntains
Mithrium has been found from almost before 1 century AD,
He was worshiped inside earth at deep caves, or at buildings build as caves with no windowshttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#51762213) or doors, total darkness,
such buildings are called Μιθρια (stone made) by Greeks of East, and Φουρνοι by Greeks of the west,
Mithros at the Greeks of minor Asia is the stone, μυδρος,
although it is a name of α Persian satrap family who after Alexander got Hellenized and ruled a Greco-Persian empire
Mithridates Μιθριδατης,

many modern consider it a Cappadokian religion from their underground cities which pass to Thracian,
All mithriums have 2 air conductors
1 is the entrance/exit 2 is the air/smoke exit to feed fire with oxygen

if you want you are invited at 17 January or 21 May (big day) to go to local

btw Mithras is born the 3rd day after the weakness of sun, 25 of December with modern callendar


modern scholars believe that Mithras religion has nothing to do with Indian Mitra and religion of son
since many Mithras statue or paintings are connecting him with moon

remember the highest degree of western Mithras religion for man was to become a Περσευς a Perseus a Persian and have your own Ile Ιλη
while for woman to become lion or hyaena (lENA as found at tomb at France)



http://media3.picsearch.com/is?crj51E_5edwuZxcqAaA-blOOe4PVr4G1afxuJSH_HlY&height=96

http://media2.picsearch.com/is?NDZgT3rDr6o279tNOQx_3rbZPGcAuzX5ULUcqGtKuAc&height=228

Goga
13-09-15, 12:22
" Turmoil in Turkey Leads Lira to Longest Weekly Rout in 16 Years

The government's conflict with the Kurdish population has made the lira one of the worst performing emerging market currencies "


http://www.businessweekme.com/Bloomberg/newsmid/190/newsid/1106/Turmoil-in-Turkey-Leads-Lira-to-Longest-Weekly-Rout-in-16-Years

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:19
Does it change any thing? If I think that Capitalism is Evil and Turkey is a capitalist country, answer is clear.
So what is the right system according to you?

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:26
I'm the purest Kurd you can get, and I'm Ezdi. Nothing to do wil Islam at all.

The original religion and the only native Kurdish religion of the Kurds is Yazdanism and Zoroastrianism. All Kurmanji Kurds were like me and were Ezdi. Sorani Kurds are Zoroastrians, like Persians..
Religion is a distinct thing from the ethnicity. A Kurd may be whether a communist, a muslim, a christian, a Buddhist, a Nazis, etc.

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:32
You are short sighted. You have to have a vision. Islam is only 1000 years old, while Iranid (Aryan) race is 8000 years old, from the era of the Sumerians. At one point Persians and Kurds were the same people. Both nations are descendants of proto-Iranic Mitanni who lived next to the Hittites in Northern Mesopotamia. Mitanni and Kassites evolved from the Sumerians. And descendants of Mitanni were Medes & Persians. Sooner or later Ayatollahs of Iran will go away. 1000 years ago Persians were Zoroastrians, there was no Islam in Persia.
PKK has defeated Islam in Kurdistan, Persians will also defeat this alian Arabo-Semitic religion Islam in their own country.

I've got a vision. I'm sure Islam will be defeated in Persia, like it was defeated in Kurdistan. When that happens, Kurds and Persians should unite and build a confederation together.
There is no a race old 8000 years throughout the world. It's nonsense. People evolve. The Kurds and Iranians are different ethnicities. You think that the ethnicity doesn't change through millennia. [emoji47] . Weird.

I don't think that the theocratic leaders of Iran are gonna leave the power.

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:34
" FBI says 'Australian IS jihadist' is actually a Jewish American trolil named Joshua Ryne Goldberg "


http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/k/8/m/f/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gjk852.png/1442007459916.jpg


http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-*****-20150911-gjk852.html


What's your point here? Can you elaborate more?

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:42
I think he was partly Kurdish. He was killed before he could democratise Turkey. He had a solution to safe Turkey, but at that time Turks still tried to assimilate Kurds. But they failed miserably.
100 years ago there were just 2-3 million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan. And Turks couldn’t even assimilate them. Now there’re 50 million Kurds. Turks are doomed to fail. The best thing for the Turks is a federation between Kurds and Turks. If Turks are not willing to form a federation with Northern Kurdistan, they will be completely defeated. No they will be destroyed.
If Turkey will not start the negotiations with the Kurds, we will see a true Balkanization of Turkey. Parts of Turkey will go to Greece, Georgia, Armenian and Northern Kurdistan will be an independent country. There will be a total GENOCDE of the Turks.

I'm a Kurdish hardliner. I do really want a big war. Big war = shortest way to Great Kurdistan. Personally, I don't like Turks. And I do really hope that Turks continue with what they are doing and that there will be a civil war. I'm 100% sure that Kurds will defeat & destroy Turks during a civil war

According to me the civil war of Turkey, will be the most bloodiest, but also the shortest way to independent Great Kurdistan.
I don't think that Turks are gonna disappear so easy. They are a great nation. I don't think NATO agree with your visions.

Piro Ilir
13-09-15, 13:44
not me
but imam Tzelebi has many
Who is imam tzelebi ?

Boreas
13-09-15, 14:08
So what is the right system according to you?

Socialism, but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms. I prefer talk about laws and practises. If there is good and usefull law in Iran, Cuba, Malawi or Ireland, I can take it

LABERIA
13-09-15, 14:09
Who is imam tzelebi ?
Ajo cfare kuptoj une eshte se ky tipi te cilit i pergjigjesh ne kete postim eshte budalla. Ajo cfare nuk kuptoj eshte se perse vazhdon te merresh me nje idiot. Ka plot tema interesante ketu per te cilat mund te diskutosh. Mos e vazhdo te lutem se eshte shume idiot dhe shume acarues.

Alan
13-09-15, 14:13
This is awful stuff happening. I have no idea how Turkey government figured out that by force, crime, murders, terror they will avoid independent Kurdistan. It will have opposite effect. Kurds will feel more alienated and hated and will desire their own country even more.

A Video appeared showing 14 year old Bünyamin Irci abducted by Turkish Gendarmerie into one of the vehicles and than shot with bullets in his head and body.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyGKr4bD1zw

Yetos
13-09-15, 16:56
Ajo cfare kuptoj une eshte se ky tipi te cilit i pergjigjesh ne kete postim eshte budalla. Ajo cfare nuk kuptoj eshte se perse vazhdon te merresh me nje idiot. Ka plot tema interesante ketu per te cilat mund te diskutosh. Mos e vazhdo te lutem se eshte shume idiot dhe shume acarues.

budalla, që ju e dini se ju them të vërtetën :grin:

all the world knows, do not hide behind your finger

Yetos
13-09-15, 17:12
Who is imam tzelebi ?

According 'Le Monde' the Journal Francais

LeBrok
13-09-15, 19:44
Socialism, but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms. I prefer talk about laws and practises. If there is good and usefull law in Iran, Cuba, Malawi or Ireland, I can take it Take some from Venezuela, the newest socialist member.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30161-Free-and-independent-Kurdistan-is-coming-soon?p=466641#post466641
http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2015/01/13/the-impending-collapse-of-venezuela/

The best way to discourage people from producing anything is by introducing socialist or communist economy.
How the country with biggest oil fields can have gasoline shortage?!!!
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=334115&CategoryId=10717


It has been proven many times, by many countries, that socialist and communist economy doesn't work. Why are people still trying this is beyond my understanding. Insanity?!


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/albert_einstein.html)

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html#JkawPeCVqFLUjhO9.99

Boreas
13-09-15, 20:17
It has been proven many times, by many countries, that socialist and communist economy doesn't work. Why are people still trying this is beyond my understanding. Insanity?!

I knew something like that will come. That's why I said "but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms."

None of Country which is just rich of underground resources, can't be example for ideal economy.

As Edison said we have just found a way which didn't work.

http://www.truecolorsoflife.com/Images/Quotes/Thomas_Edison.jpg

How do you supporting a economy type which always need to be grow? Can't you see darkness in the end of this circle?

Yetos
13-09-15, 20:49
@ lebrok

you removed my post #642
you believe it was due to Ethnic hatred,

ok

I must inform you that this post has many links and names of DAESH and ISIS
AND IS A RESPONSE to #608 deny of truth by Albanian propaganda hoax, and I gave names origins Links etc etc

I call you to restore the post, since contains Truth and articles from all over world about the connections of Albania Tettovo and Kossova with DAESH

it is not a personal, but a truth, described at the newspappers all over the world,

except if you believe that international newspappers are ethnic hatred.

TRUTH IS NOT ETHNIC HATRED, HIDING THE TRUTH IS A CRIME

LeBrok
13-09-15, 21:16
@ lebrok

you removed my post #642
you believe it was due to Ethnic hatred,

ok

I must inform you that this post has many links and names of DAESH and ISIS
AND IS A RESPONSE to #608 deny of truth by Albanian propaganda hoax, and I gave names origins Links etc etc

I call you to restore the post, since contains Truth and articles from all over world about the connections of Albania Tettovo and Kossova with DAESH

it is not a personal, but a truth, described at the newspappers all over the world,

except if you believe that international newspappers are ethnic hatred.

TRUTH IS NOT ETHNIC HATRED, HIDING THE TRUTH IS A CRIME
I have my doubts Yetos that you know what Truth is. Besides, your intentions made it a hatred, not the truth. You post only negative information about Albanians, Macedonians or Turks, with only intention to degrade their ethnicities. Try something positive next time to restore objective balance.

DuPidh
13-09-15, 21:50
I think he was partly Kurdish. He was killed before he could democratise Turkey. He had a solution to safe Turkey, but at that time Turks still tried to assimilate Kurds. But they failed miserably.
100 years ago there were just 2-3 million Kurds in Northern Kurdistan. And Turks couldn’t even assimilate them. Now there’re 50 million Kurds. Turks are doomed to fail. The best thing for the Turks is a federation between Kurds and Turks. If Turks are not willing to form a federation with Northern Kurdistan, they will be completely defeated. No they will be destroyed.
If Turkey will not start the negotiations with the Kurds, we will see a true Balkanization of Turkey. Parts of Turkey will go to Greece, Georgia, Armenian and Northern Kurdistan will be an independent country. There will be a total GENOCDE of the Turks.

I'm a Kurdish hardliner. I do really want a big war. Big war = shortest way to Great Kurdistan. Personally, I don't like Turks. And I do really hope that Turks continue with what they are doing and that there will be a civil war. I'm 100% sure that Kurds will defeat & destroy Turks during a civil war

According to me the civil war of Turkey, will be the most bloodiest, but also the shortest way to independent Great Kurdistan.

You sound a bit naive! I understand your desire for independence! If I was a Kurd I will do something for the independence. But the civil war is not in the best interest of Kurds. Turkish army strength can not be ignored easy. Armenians underestimated Turks. So did Greeks. Guess what happened? Both populations were either expelled or exterminated! Nothing can guarantee that will not happen again. Who will come to your help? Today's wars can not be wan with Kalashnikovs. The best way is to unify the electorate to get a big chunk of parliamentary vote, and chip away rights of self determinations.

LeBrok
13-09-15, 21:54
I knew something like that will come. That's why I said "but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms."

None of Country which is just rich of underground resources, can't be example for ideal economy.

As Edison said we have just found a way which didn't work.

http://www.truecolorsoflife.com/Images/Quotes/Thomas_Edison.jpg

How do you supporting a economy type which always need to be grow? Can't you see darkness in the end of this circle?
Did Edison try something that failed again and again? No, he always tried different things, till he succeeded. That's why he was successful.
To try socialism or communism in economy again and again, knowing that it failed so many times, is just madness.


None of Country which is just rich of underground resources, can't be example for ideal economy. Sure, but we have many examples of capitalist based economy in countries without natural resources or few natural resources, like Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Holland, Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, and feel free to expand the list. On other hand we have examples of countries rich in natural resources which failed under socialistic economy, like USSR, Venezuela, China, which can tell us a lot how successful socialist economy is. Also, we have many examples of tried socialism in Western Europe during 70s and 80s, when big part of economic sectors were nationalized, which caused economic stagnation and civic unrest in many countries. In 90s and 2000s we saw full reverse towards privatization (capitalism) and regained production and growth.
This reverse from socialism didn't happen in Greece, of course, with known consequences. During this time China opened a big part of its economy to capitalism, which created an explosive growth, creation of 400 million strong middle class, modern cities, modern infrastructure, monumental projects, and nobody dies of hunger in China anymore.
Should we continue with more examples to determine that socialist economy works or not?

It is a different subject how much social programs (socialism, as taking care of society) we should have or afford in countries with capitalist economy. When talking about socialism there are two somewhat different issues. One is economy, the other social structure and assistance programs. After many years of experimentation, West have a model of capitalist production economy, with very strong socialist assistance programs and wealth sharing. The paradox is that the strongest the capitalism in production the more money is made and spent for social services like education, healthcare, social assistance, maternity leave, unemployment support, vacation time, etc.

Alan
13-09-15, 22:02
There is no a race old 8000 years throughout the world. It's nonsense. People evolve. The Kurds and Iranians are different ethnicities. You think that the ethnicity doesn't change through millennia. [emoji47] . Weird.

I don't think that the theocratic leaders of Iran are gonna leave the power.

Just don't argue with him. Kurds are hanged constantly in Iran for political reasons. Ultimately we share one origin with Iranians true, but saying we as people should feel close to Iranians because of our ancestry would be like telling Bosnians to feel close to Serbians or Russians to Polish people politically. It's simply out of sense.

Yetos
13-09-15, 22:10
I have my doubts Yetos that you know what Truth is. Besides, your intentions made it a hatred, not the truth. You post only negative information about Albanians, Macedonians or Turks, with only intention to degrade their ethnicities. Try something positive next time to restore objective balance.

Le brok
when Albanians accuse me and my people for theocracy and fake genocides and unhistorical lies, you consider it as not hatred,
when I post Le Monde or other newspapper links I am hatred,
This man all days accuses Greece and Greek and denys that Albanian/Kossovo is a strong Theocratic muslim state the 4rth richest in Jihad warriors
and ask for evidences,
and when I give him, you remove post,
IS THAT A NEUTRAL MODERATOR BEHAVOUR?

I will rewrite the post,
and search again if any lie exist in it,

Yetos
13-09-15, 22:45
Do you have any evidence to support these 400 daesh soldiers. No. Many of the soldiers who participated in the Syrian war, went before that Isis was formed. The goal was to fight against Assad. Today the number is almost zero. Many citizens of Britain and France went to fight in Syria, this not mean these states are Islamic. Again, do you have any evidence to support your claims against kosova. The only state partly theocratic in Europe is Greece.

Yes I have
you can read the links in your language

http://english.albeu.com/news/news/kosovo-and-albania-among-countries-with-more-fighters-in-isis/202887/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3ovZBh1bak

anyway the number are huge as % of population,
232 known cases from Kossova makes Kossovo the 4rth most Jihadist friendly state per population
and 180 Albanians make Albania the 9th most Jihadist friendly state per population alla over the world,

more evidences
Chief Captains/Saints of DAESH
Abu Bilqis Al Albani
Abu Maryam Al Albani
Abu Muqatil Al Kossovi
Ervin Hasanaj
Lavdrim Muhaxheri or the executioner (he was executing Syrrian hostages at Deir al Zour and videotape it and raise at facebook)

Imam Ismael Tzelebi was arrested at 2014, he was prepairing a group of 40 men to go for training at DAESH

you can search the local Kossovo Albanian speaking newspapper KOHA DITORE

PS
btw do you want to talk also about LISBA? or there is no LISBA to you?

do you need more evidences?

Goga
14-09-15, 00:13
There is no a race old 8000 years throughout the world. It's nonsense. People evolve. The Kurds and Iranians are different ethnicities. You think that the ethnicity doesn't change through millennia. [emoji47] . Weird.

I don't think that the theocratic leaders of Iran are gonna leave the power.Aryan race is 8000 years old. Aryan race evolved from the Sumerians. Since that moment Iranid race was born and, the Kurds didn't change much. Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds are genetically all the same folks. Mitanni were Aryan, Medes were Aryan etc. That's why I'm telling you that Kurdish Iranid race is at least 8000 years old.

Persians are almost the same as Kurds. Like the Medes, Persians evolved from the Mitanni, who were also Iranid folks.


Persians will get rid of Islam...

Goga
14-09-15, 00:19
You sound a bit naive! I understand your desire for independence! If I was a Kurd I will do something for the independence. But the civil war is not in the best interest of Kurds. Turkish army strength can not be ignored easy. Armenians underestimated Turks. So did Greeks. Guess what happened? Both populations were either expelled or exterminated! Nothing can guarantee that will not happen again. Who will come to your help? Today's wars can not be wan with Kalashnikovs. The best way is to unify the electorate to get a big chunk of parliamentary vote, and chip away rights of self determinations.
You are the one who is spreading scary children stories.


Kurds are not the same as Greeks and Armenians. We are natural born warriors. We do belong to an Iranid race. Aryans/Iranid race was always stronger than the Turanic race.

Big changes only come with great wars and revolutions. Kurds NEED a huge war against the Turks. Turks can't defeat the Kurds. If Turks could defeat the Kurds they would do that 100 years ago.
First of all, at one point would not have much resrces for weapons. Also, weapons are nothing and useless in Kurdish mountains. Tank is useless in the mountains etc.
Turks can’t even defeat 2000 Kurdish guerrilla freedom warriors in our beloved Zagros Mountains. How would the Turan race defeat 50 million folks that belong to Iranid race?

When Turks comitted a genocide on Greeks and Armenians, there lived not very much people at the first place.

There're 50 million Kurds. Kurds are much better fighters than Turks. Without Kurds, Turks would never win a battle.


If Turks continue like this, Kurds will genocide the Turks and not vice versa

DuPidh
14-09-15, 03:58
[QUOTE=Goga;466671]You are the one who is spreading scary children stories.


Kurds are not the same as Greeks and Armenians. We are natural born warriors. We do belong to an Iranid race. Aryans/Iranid race was always stronger than the Turanic race.

Big changes only come with great wars and revolutions. Kurds NEED a huge war against the Turks. Turks can't defeat the Kurds. If Turks could defeat the Kurds they would do that 100 years ago.
First of all, at one point would not have much resrces for weapons. Also, weapons are nothing and useless in Kurdish mountains. Tank is useless in the mountains etc.
Turks can’t even defeat 2000 Kurdish guerrilla freedom warriors in our beloved Zagros Mountains. How would the Turan race defeat 50 million folks that belong to Iranid race?

When Turks comitted a genocide on Greeks and Armenians, there lived not very much people at the first place.

You appear to have no realistic evaluation of situation. I don't know where you live but it does not appear you live somewhere in Kurdistan. If it was that easy Kurds

There're 50 million Kurds. Kurds are much better fighters than Turks. Without Kurds, Turks would never win a battle.

I don't have anything against Kurdish race! I have not met any Kurd and I don't know anyone personally but I have respect for Middle eastern people.
Middle eastern people are largely responsible for many contributions to human civilization and largely misunderstood in the west. But lets be honest! Militarily you are not match for Turks. At least in the current situation. Kurds can be brave and great fighters but you have no weapons! Turkish military is quite modern and effective!
When Turkey was weak country your forefathers did nothing. The wars now are devastating and the accuracy of killing is astonishing.
You appear to be an Iranian sympathizer in my eyes. But is Iran willing to support you in a struggle with Turkey?

DuPidh
14-09-15, 04:07
You are the one who is spreading scary children stories.


Kurds are not the same as Greeks and Armenians. We are natural born warriors. We do belong to an Iranid race. Aryans/Iranid race was always stronger than the Turanic race.

Big changes only come with great wars and revolutions. Kurds NEED a huge war against the Turks. Turks can't defeat the Kurds. If Turks could defeat the Kurds they would do that 100 years ago.
First of all, at one point would not have much resrces for weapons. Also, weapons are nothing and useless in Kurdish mountains. Tank is useless in the mountains etc.
Turks can’t even defeat 2000 Kurdish guerrilla freedom warriors in our beloved Zagros Mountains. How would the Turan race defeat 50 million folks that belong to Iranid race?

When Turks comitted a genocide on Greeks and Armenians, there lived not very much people at the first place.

There're 50 million Kurds. Kurds are much better fighters than Turks. Without Kurds, Turks would never win a battle.


If Turks continue like this, Kurds will genocide the Turks and not vice versa

I dont really know when you say we are Iranian people. Iran is an amalgam of ethnicity with Azerbaijanis as the second largest ethnicity. Do you mean Persian when you say Iranian?

Boreas
14-09-15, 12:07
Did Edison try something that failed again and again? No, he always tried different things, till he succeeded. That's why he was successful.
To try socialism or communism in economy again and again, knowing that it failed so many times, is just madness.

This is very limited and narrow perspective. You are seeing that Socialism is just a way so you think that Socialism is wrong failed way, but I am seeing that Venezulla is just a way and Venezulla is just a wrong fail way.



Sure, but we have many examples of capitalist based economy in countries without natural resources or few natural resources, like Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Holland, Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, and feel free to expand the list.

Hong Kong and Singapore also bad extrem examples, but it is very good to see limitations of Capitalism, All capitalism system can't live ownself.


As you said Communist systems are collapsing and capitalist systems are envoling and become more social. This is also example that both of them are not a answer and answer is somewhere between them.

Goga
14-09-15, 12:50
Militarily you are not match for Turks. At least in the current situation. Kurds can be brave and great fighters but you have no weapons! Turkish military is quite modern and effective!
And once again, Turks with their so called modern, advanced and effective weapons can't even defeat 2000 PKK warriors, let alone 50 million Kurds.

Turks with help of NATO are fighting the PKK for 40 years and can't even defeat a few thousands of freedom fighters. Let Turks defeat PKK first, then we will talk. Otherwise this discussion is useless.


Pff, Turkish army is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, just a bunch of children compared to PKK Aryan warriors!

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:18
Socialism, but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms. I prefer talk about laws and practises. If there is good and usefull law in Iran, Cuba, Malawi or Ireland, I can take it
Trust me, I was born in a socialist country. It was really disgusting, tremendous and awful.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:24
Ajo cfare kuptoj une eshte se ky tipi te cilit i pergjigjesh ne kete postim eshte budalla. Ajo cfare nuk kuptoj eshte se perse vazhdon te merresh me nje idiot. Ka plot tema interesante ketu per te cilat mund te diskutosh. Mos e vazhdo te lutem se eshte shume idiot dhe shume acarues.
Naiher ene idjotet bojn pun [emoji6]. But we should talk in english in respect of the other members.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:28
budalla, që ju e dini se ju them të vërtetën :grin:

all the world knows, do not hide behind your finger
What the world knows. It looks like the only one who knows everything what's going on, are you. The master of rumors. [emoji23]

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:33
Take some from Venezuela, the newest socialist member.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30161-Free-and-independent-Kurdistan-is-coming-soon?p=466641#post466641
http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2015/01/13/the-impending-collapse-of-venezuela/

The best way to discourage people from producing anything is by introducing socialist or communist economy.
How the country with biggest oil fields can have gasoline shortage?!!!
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=334115&CategoryId=10717


It has been proven many times, by many countries, that socialist and communist economy doesn't work. Why are people still trying this is beyond my understanding. Insanity?!
[emoji57] [emoji1] they already last week sentenced for many years, (maybe 14 but I'm not sure), the leader of the opposition. Did you see it on media? Greece tried partly socialism and destroyed its economy.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:36
I knew something like that will come. That's why I said "but I don't support to talk about too much these visual terms."

None of Country which is just rich of underground resources, can't be example for ideal economy.

As Edison said we have just found a way which didn't work.

http://www.truecolorsoflife.com/Images/Quotes/Thomas_Edison.jpg

How do you supporting a economy type which always need to be grow? Can't you see darkness in the end of this circle?
USA, Germany, Japan, great Britain, etc are okay with only 1% growth of their economy.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:40
@ lebrok

you removed my post #642
you believe it was due to Ethnic hatred,

ok

I must inform you that this post has many links and names of DAESH and ISIS
AND IS A RESPONSE to #608 deny of truth by Albanian propaganda hoax, and I gave names origins Links etc etc

I call you to restore the post, since contains Truth and articles from all over world about the connections of Albania Tettovo and Kossova with DAESH

it is not a personal, but a truth, described at the newspappers all over the world,

except if you believe that international newspappers are ethnic hatred.

TRUTH IS NOT ETHNIC HATRED, HIDING THE TRUTH IS A CRIME
What is your intention onto this daesh and Albanins links? I don't see your point here. You mean that Albanians are terrorists?

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 13:52
Le brok
when Albanians accuse me and my people for theocracy and fake genocides and unhistorical lies, you consider it as not hatred,
when I post Le Monde or other newspapper links I am hatred,
This man all days accuses Greece and Greek and denys that Albanian/Kossovo is a strong Theocratic muslim state the 4rth richest in Jihad warriors
and ask for evidences,
and when I give him, you remove post,
IS THAT A NEUTRAL MODERATOR BEHAVOUR?

I will rewrite the post,
and search again if any lie exist in it,
Le monde [emoji57] France [emoji57]. I hope you post something from USA, Germany, Britain. We know well what is the behavior of France in all this. They allowed the massacres of Bosnia. 8000 civilians were killed in Srebrenica, and France just didn't care.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:08
Yes I have
you can read the links in your language

http://english.albeu.com/news/news/kosovo-and-albania-among-countries-with-more-fighters-in-isis/202887/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3ovZBh1bak

anyway the number are huge as % of population,
232 known cases from Kossova makes Kossovo the 4rth most Jihadist friendly state per population
and 180 Albanians make Albania the 9th most Jihadist friendly state per population alla over the world,

more evidences
Chief Captains/Saints of DAESH
Abu Bilqis Al Albani
Abu Maryam Al Albani
Abu Muqatil Al Kossovi
Ervin Hasanaj
Lavdrim Muhaxheri or the executioner (he was executing Syrrian hostages at Deir al Zour and videotape it and raise at facebook)

Imam Ismael Tzelebi was arrested at 2014, he was prepairing a group of 40 men to go for training at DAESH

you can search the local Kossovo Albanian speaking newspapper KOHA DITORE

PS
btw do you want to talk also about LISBA? or there is no LISBA to you?

do you need more evidences?
Many of them were gone before the Isis was created. ISIS started after the rejection of no flying zone claimed by USA. Russia rejected the no flying zone. The whole awful situation in Syria is because of Russia. Kosova is a secular state, and you know well. You and Greek propaganda can't do anything against kosova.
These are the most important Albanians symbols
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/ab6c94eb686ced7f7ee1ea7d473d0898.jpg
Kruja
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/6a8c7330e23cf3283360c5fc1d0a07af.jpg
Tirana
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/fe1bc15d1a8cf938a0d267eac0eb614f.jpg
Skopje
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/14/cdfeb164ec5b667a61716cf272bf8236.jpg
Pristine
These symbols, flag and monuments are put and kept there by Albanians. Scanderbeg is well-known for what he done during his life. Also the history of the last Roman flag throughout Mediterranean. The Albanian flag.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:11
Aryan race is 8000 years old. Aryan race evolved from the Sumerians. Since that moment Iranid race was born and, the Kurds didn't change much. Sumerians, Mitanni, Kassites, Medes, Kurds are genetically all the same folks. Mitanni were Aryan, Medes were Aryan etc. That's why I'm telling you that Kurdish Iranid race is at least 8000 years old.

Persians are almost the same as Kurds. Like the Medes, Persians evolved from the Mitanni, who were also Iranid folks.


Persians will get rid of Islam...

You are the only one pretending that race don't change through millennia. Lucky you. You mean that ancient Romans and Italians are the same? [emoji47]

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:18
You are the one who is spreading scary children stories.


Kurds are not the same as Greeks and Armenians. We are natural born warriors. We do belong to an Iranid race. Aryans/Iranid race was always stronger than the Turanic race.

Big changes only come with great wars and revolutions. Kurds NEED a huge war against the Turks. Turks can't defeat the Kurds. If Turks could defeat the Kurds they would do that 100 years ago.
First of all, at one point would not have much resrces for weapons. Also, weapons are nothing and useless in Kurdish mountains. Tank is useless in the mountains etc.
Turks can’t even defeat 2000 Kurdish guerrilla freedom warriors in our beloved Zagros Mountains. How would the Turan race defeat 50 million folks that belong to Iranid race?

When Turks comitted a genocide on Greeks and Armenians, there lived not very much people at the first place.

There're 50 million Kurds. Kurds are much better fighters than Turks. Without Kurds, Turks would never win a battle.


If Turks continue like this, Kurds will genocide the Turks and not vice versa
Are you aware of the four days war between Israel and Syria, Egypt, Jordanian and Lebanon? Israel destroyed all of them [emoji23]. It's not about the number of the soldiers.
And wait a minute. The world never would allow a huge Iran theocratic state.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:23
Just don't argue with him. Kurds are hanged constantly in Iran for political reasons. Ultimately we share one origin with Iranians true, but saying we as people should feel close to Iranians because of our ancestry would be like telling Bosnians to feel close to Serbians or Russians to Polish people politically. It's simply out of sense.
Yes, Iran is playing hard onto that area. They are using everything they can. From ancient history to the religious affinities. Kurds should start with an independent Kurdistan, although a little one. They need to start somewhere

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:30
This is very limited and narrow perspective. You are seeing that Socialism is just a way so you think that Socialism is wrong failed way, but I am seeing that Venezulla is just a way and Venezulla is just a wrong fail way.



Hong Kong and Singapore also bad extrem examples, but it is very good to see limitations of Capitalism, All capitalism system can't live ownself.


As you said Communist systems are collapsing and capitalist systems are envoling and become more social. This is also example that both of them are not a answer and answer is somewhere between them.
If certain capitalist countries use some social policies, it not mean that they are socialists countries. It has nothing to do with the economic system.

Piro Ilir
14-09-15, 14:33
And once again, Turks with their so called modern, advanced and effective weapons can't even defeat 2000 PKK warriors, let alone 50 million Kurds.

Turks with help of NATO are fighting the PKK for 40 years and can't even defeat a few thousands of freedom fighters. Let Turks defeat PKK first, then we will talk. Otherwise this discussion is useless.


Pff, Turkish army is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, just a bunch of children compared to PKK Aryan warriors!
They are not using the whole army there. NATO will never allow the Iran extension in middle east. No one wants another theocratic state there

Goga
14-09-15, 16:07
What's your point here? Can you elaborate more?Jews are happy what is going on with Kurds and Kurdistan.


Never heard of Milton Friedman, Chicago school, supporting dictatorships (Pinochet etc.) by the USA, creating shock doctrines

Structural adjustment. The Jews created Daesh (group full of Sunni retard trash that can't even fight and only good at killing children) against Assad and Persia. They tried to use Daesh against Assad & Persia. And maybe later against Russia in Northern Caucasus and Ukrain, LOL.
And by this shock doctrine: eradicating peoples history, peoples social system they are trying to implement the structural adjustment.

Erdogan and Daesh (Sunni Muslims, Barzani etc.) betrayed people behind the so called 'structural adjustment policy' in Iraq.

Also, PKK stopped and defeated Daesh, in Rojava, and Southern Kurdistan (Kirkuk etc.). PKK became a major actor in the region. And is against (political) Islamic terrorism, Erdogan, Daesh, Barzani those who betrayed the USA.


I'm sure that the USA is going to punish those who betrayed them.


Also, there is PKK and Ezdi Kurds who want their revenge against the Sunni Muslim terrorists.

Goga
14-09-15, 16:16
They are not using the whole army there. NATO will never allow the Iran extension in middle east. No one wants another theocratic state thereAnd Kurds are not using all their recourses. At this moment only 2000 Aryan freedom fighters are fighting against the Turkish army. The whole Turkish army with their whole air fleet can't defeat 2000 PKK Aryan freedom warriors

That's why I do dream of a civil war in Turkey. When ALL 50 million Kurds will take their weapon against the Turks, Turkey and the Turks will be finished forever.

Never forget: Structural adjustment needs shock doctrine. And shock doctrine will be a Turkish Civil War 2015 in this case. Old regime is getting replaced by a new order by shock doctrine -> structural adjustment ...


The Jews and the USA don't coltrol Persia, Russia and China


Kurdistan will be an Aryan state that will destroy political Islam (Arabo-Semitic ideology) in the whole Middle East!


Power to the people. BIJI PKK.

oriental
14-09-15, 23:20
The device appears to resemble a "pressure cooker bomb", similar to the type of explosive used in the Boston Marathon attack.
http://www.smh.com.au/content/dam/images/g/j/k/8/m/f/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gjk852.png/1442007459916.jpg Joshua Goldberg is not Muslim or Australian. Photo: Facebook

However, one of those apparent representatives of Islamic State has now been revealed as an America-based, non-Muslim online hoaxer.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-is-jihadist-is-actually-an-jewish-american-*****-20150911-gjk852#ixzz3lkZ1sncT
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He is either a hoaxer or an 'agent provocateur' (an inciter) Hitler used German troops dressed in Polish uniform and attacked German units. This was the pretext for invasion of Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Piro Ilir
16-09-15, 13:20
Jews are happy what is going on with Kurds and Kurdistan.


Never heard of Milton Friedman, Chicago school, supporting dictatorships (Pinochet etc.) by the USA, creating shock doctrines

Structural adjustment. The Jews created Daesh (group full of Sunni retard trash that can't even fight and only good at killing children) against Assad and Persia. They tried to use Daesh against Assad & Persia. And maybe later against Russia in Northern Caucasus and Ukrain, LOL.
And by this shock doctrine: eradicating peoples history, peoples social system they are trying to implement the structural adjustment.

Erdogan and Daesh (Sunni Muslims, Barzani etc.) betrayed people behind the so called 'structural adjustment policy' in Iraq.

Also, PKK stopped and defeated Daesh, in Rojava, and Southern Kurdistan (Kirkuk etc.). PKK became a major actor in the region. And is against (political) Islamic terrorism, Erdogan, Daesh, Barzani those who betrayed the USA.


I'm sure that the USA is going to punish those who betrayed them.


Also, there is PKK and Ezdi Kurds who want their revenge against the Sunni Muslim terrorists.
So, what is position of the PKK in all this? On which side they are? NATO or the alliance Russia- Chinese- Iran?

Piro Ilir
16-09-15, 13:42
And Kurds are not using all their recourses. At this moment only 2000 Aryan freedom fighters are fighting against the Turkish army. The whole Turkish army with their whole air fleet can't defeat 2000 PKK Aryan freedom warriors

That's why I do dream of a civil war in Turkey. When ALL 50 million Kurds will take their weapon against the Turks, Turkey and the Turks will be finished forever.

Never forget: Structural adjustment needs shock doctrine. And shock doctrine will be a Turkish Civil War 2015 in this case. Old regime is getting replaced by a new order by shock doctrine -> structural adjustment ...


The Jews and the USA don't coltrol Persia, Russia and China


Kurdistan will be an Aryan state that will destroy political Islam (Arabo-Semitic ideology) in the whole Middle East!


Power to the people. BIJI PKK.
Turkey can't be finished forever. It's a NATO state adherent. NATO will help Turkey. USA would never allow a Russian- Iranian extension in whole west Asia. I heard some rumors that Russia is using Chechens is east Ukraine to fight. Many parte of Syria are lost forever by the Assad regime. There is no difference between an extremist Sunni and an extremists Shiite. They are both the enemies of west. They both are gonna be destroyed. Democracy will win.
Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba etc are part of the axis of evil.
No one believes that Jews are against Kurds. This is Iranian propaganda. The world opinion knows this well. Israel and Turkey are the only democracies on that region. The rest are dictatorial countries. Don't forget that Russia economy is felling down. USA is like the Roman empire. No one can defeat them. There is a risk that Assad may end like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. Maybe Russians could betrayed him.

Goga
16-09-15, 14:30
So, what is position of the PKK in all this? On which side they are? NATO or the alliance Russia- Chinese- Iran?PKK is on its own. It is for Kurdistan and PAN-Kurdishness. No friends but the mountains. But at this moment Russia is helping and promising the real Kurds the most. According to Russia PKK is a legal Kurdish organisation. But PKK is cautious, because history has learned us that Kurds have no friends but the mountains.

Kurds are with those who help them...

Goga
16-09-15, 14:32
Turkey can't be finished forever. It's a NATO state adherent. NATO will help Turkey. USA would never allow a Russian- Iranian extension in whole west Asia. I heard some rumors that Russia is using Chechens is east Ukraine to fight. Many parte of Syria are lost forever by the Assad regime. There is no difference between an extremist Sunni and an extremists Shiite. They are both the enemies of west. They both are gonna be destroyed. Democracy will win.
Russia, Iran, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba etc are part of the axis of evil.
No one believes that Jews are against Kurds. This is Iranian propaganda. The world opinion knows this well. Israel and Turkey are the only democracies on that region. The rest are dictatorial countries. Don't forget that Russia economy is felling down. USA is like the Roman empire. No one can defeat them. There is a risk that Assad may end like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. Maybe Russians could betrayed him.
NATO shoudn't choose sides within a member state at the first place. It should be neutral toward all segments of society & parties within a state. A civil war means that different segments/parties within a state fight against each other. In such cases NATO has no right to intervene. NATO protects only NATO members if other outside states attack their members.

Kurds within Turkey should have the same right as Turks, because Kurds within Turkey are also part of NATO. Kurds in Turkey have the same rights for the same protection as Turks in Turkey.


Turkey can be finished forever by its 'own' people. People who live in Turkey decide the future of Turkey. Kurds in northern Kurdistan are part of Turkey, so Kurds in northern Kurdistan also can finish/break Turkey forever and NATO has no right to intervene.

LeBrok
17-09-15, 04:23
Some good news, 2160 kidnapped were freed from the grip of ISIS since its occupation of the Sinjar District last year,


http://d3dyqb2m69ozbp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Yazidi-families-file-photo.-650x375.jpg

http://www.iraqinews.com/features/18-kidnapped-yazidis-freed-isis/

LeBrok
17-09-15, 04:27
Declaration of Kurdistan independence is currently impossible, says Barzani

http://d3dyqb2m69ozbp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/President-Massoud-Barzani-650x359.jpg

http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/declaration-kurdistan-independence-currently-impossible-says-barzani/




Barzani discusses with US delegation the preparations of Mosul liberation
http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/barzani-discusses-us-delegation-preparations-mosul-liberation/


The presidency of the region said in a press statement received by IraqiNews.com: “the president of the Kurdistan region Massoud Barzani met with Deputy Brett McGurk, US Ambassador to Iraq Stuart Jones, the coordinator of the Special Forces in the US Army Gen. James Terry and Commander of US forces in Iraq, Gen. Tony Thomas,” adding that “The two sides have held talk about the conditions on the ground to confront ISIS in Iraq and Syria, the preparations of Mosul liberation and how to defeat the terrorists, as well as discussing the political situation in the region and relations between Baghdad and the region.”

LeBrok
17-09-15, 04:35
This is something new. Daesh executed 120 of its members for plotting a coup! It doesn't look that they are very united.


IraqiNews.com) Dohuk – Media official of the Kurdistan Democratic Party in Mosul Saeed Mamouzini said on Sunday, that ISIS has executed 30 of its elements for planning operations against the organization.
Mamouzini said in an interview for IraqiNews.com: ”ISIS has executed 30 militants of its elements by firing squad in the old prison in Mosul,” noting that “those elements were accused of planning for operations against the organization.”
Mamouzini added that “ISIS has executed during the past few days more than 120 armed men on charges of planning a coup against ISIS leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” pointing out that “a state of collapse spread among ISIS because of internal disagreements between the elements of the organization.”

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/isis-executes-30-elements-planning-operations-says-kurdish-official/

Piro Ilir
17-09-15, 14:49
Declaration of Kurdistan independence is currently impossible, says Barzani

http://d3dyqb2m69ozbp.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/President-Massoud-Barzani-650x359.jpg

http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/declaration-kurdistan-independence-currently-impossible-says-barzani/




Barzani discusses with US delegation the preparations of Mosul liberation
http://www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/barzani-discusses-us-delegation-preparations-mosul-liberation/
Yes. I think the USA should trust and invest more to Kurds, rather than to Sunni Arabs and Shiite Arabs. Is better working with the Kurds. Kurds will be better if they follow USA

Piro Ilir
17-09-15, 14:55
This is something new. Daesh executed 120 of its members for plotting a coup! It doesn't look that they are very united.


http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/isis-executes-30-elements-planning-operations-says-kurdish-official/
I was thinking to say it before. They are not really a unified state. Even the caliph has not a real control there. I think that most of the executions are happening by no real command line. Probably there are different groups operating onto the terrain

Piro Ilir
17-09-15, 14:57
PKK is on its own. It is for Kurdistan and PAN-Kurdishness. No friends but the mountains. But at this moment Russia is helping and promising the real Kurds the most. According to Russia PKK is a legal Kurdish organisation. But PKK is cautious, because history has learned us that Kurds have no friends but the mountains.

Kurds are with those who help them...

PKK on its own? Weird. You already said the quiet contrary in your posts here. It looks like PKK is pro Russian.

Piro Ilir
17-09-15, 15:00
PKK is on its own. It is for Kurdistan and PAN-Kurdishness. No friends but the mountains. But at this moment Russia is helping and promising the real Kurds the most. According to Russia PKK is a legal Kurdish organisation. But PKK is cautious, because history has learned us that Kurds have no friends but the mountains.

Kurds are with those who help them...

Albanian government had send military supplies to the peshmergas of Iraq . [emoji4] . What about this.

Piro Ilir
17-09-15, 15:06
NATO shoudn't choose sides within a member state at the first place. It should be neutral toward all segments of society & parties within a state. A civil war means that different segments/parties within a state fight against each other. In such cases NATO has no right to intervene. NATO protects only NATO members if other outside states attack their members.

Kurds within Turkey should have the same right as Turks, because Kurds within Turkey are also part of NATO. Kurds in Turkey have the same rights for the same protection as Turks in Turkey.


Turkey can be finished forever by its 'own' people. People who live in Turkey decide the future of Turkey. Kurds in northern Kurdistan are part of Turkey, so Kurds in northern Kurdistan also can finish/break Turkey forever and NATO has no right to intervene.
Yes, but NATO will never allow that Turkey being destroyed and its area being controlled by a pro Russian state. USA is not so weak. They help their allies. They will never allow a new Persian empire there, especially ruled by the dictator ayatollah.

LeBrok
18-09-15, 03:27
Yes. I think the USA should trust and invest more to Kurds, rather than to Sunni Arabs and Shiite Arabs. Is better working with the Kurds. Kurds will be better if they follow USA That's what I'm saying for last couple of years. However current US administration doesn't want to listen to me. Bush junior didn't listen to me either and look at the mess, lol.
Obama doesn't want to concede that Iraq is over, done, finito, caput, skonczony. I understand they invested a trillion of dollars and thousands of lives to make Iraq a better place. Though, how they advise in investing, cut the losses short.

LeBrok
18-09-15, 03:29
Albanian government had send military supplies to the peshmergas of Iraq . [emoji4] . What about this. What!? They didn't send it to Daesh?! They don't support terrorists?! Yetos, did you hear the news?

LeBrok
18-09-15, 03:55
It is official, and admitted by Putin that Russia is helping Assad in expended role.

Russian helicopters arrived in Syria, not far from Latakia.
http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Afghan-Mi-35-helicopters1-600x400.jpg

I wonder if Russian troops will fight Daesh on the ground, or it will be only equipment and advisory help? Does it mean anything for Kurds in Syria?

Piro Ilir
21-09-15, 20:51
What!? They didn't send it to Daesh?! They don't support terrorists?! Yetos, did you hear the news?
I think you miss something here, or I have written something wrong. Before one year, but I don't remember well the Albanian government in accordance with the NATO had send some military supply to the Kurds of Iraq because they were fighting the ISIS.

Piro Ilir
21-09-15, 20:54
It is official, and admitted by Putin that Russia is helping Assad in expended role.

Russian helicopters arrived in Syria, not far from Latakia.
http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Afghan-Mi-35-helicopters1-600x400.jpg

I wonder if Russian troops will fight Daesh on the ground, or it will be only equipment and advisory help? Does it mean anything for Kurds in Syria?
Yes, they are building a new military air base in Syria unfortunately. Do we really have a president within the white house? ![emoji19] [emoji17] . Too said when we see this Russian expansion

Sile
21-09-15, 21:24
Yes, but NATO will never allow that Turkey being destroyed and its area being controlled by a pro Russian state. USA is not so weak. They help their allies. They will never allow a new Persian empire there, especially ruled by the dictator ayatollah.

USA are playing the "judas" game, they first back the kurds to fight isis, then they do not defend the kurds against the Turks!
They seem to allow a Turkish genocide on the Kurds..............will we see another "armenian genocide" on kurds by the Turks......will history repeat itself.

It is far easier to control a people that have a nation, than to control people that do not have one. The turks are far more dangerous now than what they where 20 years ago.

LeBrok
21-09-15, 23:32
I think EU should send their troops to Kurdistan and create offensive from the East. To make sure Russians won't invade Kurds, and to fight ISIS, and to save Europe from these "terrible" migrants of course.

LeBrok
21-09-15, 23:33
I think you miss something here, or I have written something wrong. Before one year, but I don't remember well the Albanian government in accordance with the NATO had send some military supply to the Kurds of Iraq because they were fighting the ISIS. I wrote it in very sarcastic tone, to get Yetos attention to what he missed.

Yetos
22-09-15, 06:47
Le monde [emoji57] France [emoji57]. I hope you post something from USA, Germany, Britain. We know well what is the behavior of France in all this. They allowed the massacres of Bosnia. 8000 civilians were killed in Srebrenica, and France just didn't care.

HA?
you are not serious!!!!


so my link is worng cause is based upon a Francais analysis,
but if it was from a USA it would be correct?
ok I post the same analysis, FROM ALBANIAN TV,
IS ALBANIAN TV ALSO WRONG?
do you also deny the Analysis of your country?anyway search better,
you will find also the same from USA Germany Britain

your prefer does not change the truth

Yetos
22-09-15, 06:50
What is your intention onto this daesh and Albanins links? I don't see your point here. You mean that Albanians are terrorists?

Do not put words in my Mouth,
What I wrote is easy to understand,

only blind can not read,

Yetos
22-09-15, 06:59
I think EU should send their troops to Kurdistan and create offensive from the East. To make sure Russians won't invade Kurds, and to fight ISIS, and to save Europe from these "terrible" migrants of course.

I think Europe has nothing to do,
except putting immigrants to ships and trains and send them to USA and Russia,

but I accept the creation of temporary refuggee camps at Lebanon and Jordania made by EU so to comfort these people, and avoid loses from shipwreck

Yetos
22-09-15, 07:02
I wrote it in very sarcastic tone, to get Yetos attention to what he missed.

Yes offcourse,
even Greece send all the illegal guns and suspended military guns amunition equipment there,

BUT WHAT HAPPENED?

SEARCH THE BOAT THAT WAS CAUGHT SOUTH OF CRETE, 31/8 1/9 2015
HELP FROM UNKNOWN COUNTRIES AND ORGANISATIONS WAS LOADED AND TRAVEL TO LIBYA,

you see much of promise help, did went to Kurds, but to Libya
how? I do not know

Yetos
22-09-15, 07:06
It is official, and admitted by Putin that Russia is helping Assad in expended role.

Russian helicopters arrived in Syria, not far from Latakia.
http://atlanticsentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Afghan-Mi-35-helicopters1-600x400.jpg

I wonder if Russian troops will fight Daesh on the ground, or it will be only equipment and advisory help? Does it mean anything for Kurds in Syria?


I wonder why Iraqi Army surrender all the modern weaponry to ISIS and DAESH did not took Bagdat yet,
but attack Yezidi kurds
Any Idea?

Yetos
22-09-15, 07:09
What!? They didn't send it to Daesh?! They don't support terrorists?! Yetos, did you hear the news?

what?
Even Saudis claim that help with money,
so what?

does this change the number % of DAESH from Balkans?
come on

LABERIA
22-09-15, 10:41
Do not put words in my Mouth,
What I wrote is easy to understand,

only blind can not read,

Yes, i am a blind. Can you explain better your opinion pls?

Piro Ilir
22-09-15, 20:57
USA are playing the "judas" game, they first back the kurds to fight isis, then they do not defend the kurds against the Turks!
They seem to allow a Turkish genocide on the Kurds..............will we see another "armenian genocide" on kurds by the Turks......will history repeat itself.

It is far easier to control a people that have a nation, than to control people that do not have one. The turks are far more dangerous now than what they where 20 years ago.
You miss something in that mess. Kurds are not a unified nation. As I know, they are leaded by different parties. PKK is pro Russian as I see. USA is helping the Kurds of Iraq and Syria. Kurds lives in 4 different states.

Piro Ilir
22-09-15, 21:00
I think EU should send their troops to Kurdistan and create offensive from the East. To make sure Russians won't invade Kurds, and to fight ISIS, and to save Europe from these "terrible" migrants of course.
[emoji23] . When ever EU had send troops to fight? EU is a joke. Sorry saying that, but is the true.

Piro Ilir
22-09-15, 21:01
I wrote it in very sarcastic tone, to get Yetos attention to what he missed.
Yes, I see. Ok

Piro Ilir
22-09-15, 21:05
HA?
you are not serious!!!!


so my link is worng cause is based upon a Francais analysis,
but if it was from a USA it would be correct?
ok I post the same analysis, FROM ALBANIAN TV,
IS ALBANIAN TV ALSO WRONG?
do you also deny the Analysis of your country?anyway search better,
you will find also the same from USA Germany Britain

your prefer does not change the truth
You know for sure what's the policy of France into Albanian confronts. There is a huge difference between the media in France and the media in USA. Is impossible to find something pro Albanian in France. Their policy against Albania is well-known.

Piro Ilir
22-09-15, 21:24
what?
Even Saudis claim that help with money,
so what?

does this change the number % of DAESH from Balkans?
come on



Do you know what's the religious diversity in Albanians populace? ISIS is filled by extremists Sunni. The Albanians Sunni are less than 50% of the population. Muslim Albanians are divided into Sunni and Shiite (tariqats). The Christians are divided into Catholic and orthodox. There is even a community of protestants. This mean that Albania is a multi religious country, and claim a risk from there, it's poor propaganda.

LeBrok
23-09-15, 02:03
[emoji23] . When ever EU had send troops to fight? EU is a joke. Sorry saying that, but is the true.There got to be a first time some day. As with democracy, creating an good union is a process too, maybe a long process.

bancroft
24-09-15, 10:29
The kurds in Syria are began working in international organization in setting and managing new prison.

Alan
24-09-15, 13:37
Erdogan, Abbas and Putin in an opening ceremony of a Mosque in Russia.

How serious do you mean it with you "fight against ISIS" if you invite the number one supporter of them? Geopolitics is just a dirty game.


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12042850_769721663168130_5358286184540629592_n.jpg ?oh=5fe106ee9cda0b6d97111995db8decc5&oe=569D4B27

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/q86/s720x720/12003199_769721119834851_8881103275419465810_n.jpg ?oh=54b4d6d68f10bf856868077aa89334ba&oe=56608ACE

Goga
24-09-15, 14:28
Day before Netanyahu was in Russia.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-560079c5/turbine/la-fg-russia-syria-israel-20150921-001/900/900x506


Next week Saudi Arabia will meet Putin


Russia is a SUPER power. And Russia proved to be a super power.

Th US lost the war in the Middle East, like the US lost a war in Somalia, Vietnam etc.


The US Sunni Daesh dogs are defeated and those who supported Daesh are in panic!

Israel supported Daesh aginst Shia Muslims. Daesh is defeated, now Netanyahu is begging not to be attacked by Hezbollah (Shia), lol.

Goga
24-09-15, 14:34
The US bet on a wrong horse when they supported the SunniArabs, Sunni Turks and Islamist Kurds (Barzani).

The policy of the USA is defeated in the Middle East. Only the real Kurds (PKK) can save the USA in the Middle East.

Russia has won in the Middle East, because of the real Kurds, the PKK. PKK defeated Daesh in Rojava and Southern Kurdistan, Mexmur and Kirkuk. Daesh, the USA, Turkey, Israel are terribly defeated and now they ask Putin for forgiveness.

American can do nothing for Turks and Arbas. Turkey is falling apart, so Erdogan went to Putin to save his country. They even agreed on a trade for 1000 billion.


But Putin will NEVER help Erdogan, because it is not in Russia interests. If Kurds (the Medes) are defeated, Russians are next. Russians are supporting the Kurds in Rojava. And they support at least a Kurdish autonomy in Syria, Iraq and Turkey.

For now Kurds will form federations with Arabs and Turks, but the long term idea is united sovereign Great Kurdistan.

Goga
24-09-15, 14:46
Erdogan, Abbas and Putin in an opening ceremony of a Mosque in Russia.

How serious do you mean it with you "fight against ISIS" if you invite the number one supporter of them? Geopolitics is just a dirty game
Russia I guarantying the Kurds in Syria and Turkey at least an autonomy and weapons. Because of Russia, Turkey and Syrian will be federal. Like the Russians established an autonomy in Iraq. So all Kurds can build further on their common future in peace. Russia is also a FEDERATION!

According to Putin: Turkey, Iraq and Syria should be the same FEDERATION as Russia!


At this moment Russia is a GLOBAL superpower. King of Kings. It is in much better position that the USA.


Russians defeated the USA in Northern Caucasus, in Crimea, in Ukraine and now in the Middle East.



The USA tried to weaken Russia through Islam, lol. They did the same with Daesh retard monkeys, what they did with AL-Qaeda in Central Asia. But they FAILED! PKK defeated Daesh.

LeBrok
24-09-15, 16:44
Russia I guarantying the Kurds in Syria and Turkey at least an autonomy and weapons. Because of Russia, Turkey and Syrian will be federal. Like the Russians established an autonomy in Iraq. So all Kurds can build further on their common future in peace. Russia is also a FEDERATION!

According to Putin: Turkey, Iraq and Syria should be the same FEDERATION as Russia!
Can you cite Putin saying this, or you're putting your dreams in Putin's head?


At this moment Russia is a GLOBAL superpower. King of Kings. It is in much better position that the USA. And defeated by Afghanistan.



PKK defeated Daesh.
Aren't you ahead of yourself? Last time I checked Daesh is still there.

PKK failed to build independent Kurdistan for last few decades. Perhaps it should let someone else try to do that? Their economic views might be outdated too. Even Russia and China don't support communism based economies these days.

Goga
24-09-15, 17:06
Can you cite Putin saying this, or you're putting your dreams in Putin's head?

And defeated by Afghanistan.

Aren't you ahead of yourself? Last time I checked Daesh is still there.

PKK failed to build independent Kurdistan for last few decades. Perhaps it should let someone else try to do that? Their economic views might be outdated too. Even Russia and China don't support communism based economies these days.
Because of Russia, South Kurdistan is freed from the Arabs.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/files/live/sites/almonitor/files/images/almpics/2015/01/cruschev-Barzani.jpg?t=thumbnail_570
Nikita Khrushchev with Mustafa Barzani in Moscow, 1955.


Russia's Stance on the Kurdish Problem

http://journal-neo.org/2013/05/24/russias-stance-on-the-kurdish-problem/


Yes, Putin demanded Erdogan to give Kurds at least the same right as Putin gave to the Chechens. Remember that Chechnya is a federal state with own government inside mother Russia.

Russian politician never harmed Kurds. It were always the Kurds that harmed Russia.


Rojava is freed from Daesh. PKK didn't let oil rich regions in South Kurdistan around Kirkuk to be taken by Daesh. So PKK defended Kirkuk, also Mexmur and PKK is now in Shengal (mountain). PKK is also defending the Ezdi Kurds. PKK is our GODS!

Every bad plan Daesh & Jews had in mind for the Kurds, PKK stopped them.



Russia was NEVER defeated in Afghanistan, they were in control in Kabul, but later on they pulled out their soldiers. Americans were never as much in control in Afghanistan as the Russians were.


PKK never got a chance to build a state in Northern Kurdistan. PKK is building a great part of Kurdistan in Rojava. While in South Kurdistan is more oil, mark my words, Rojava will be more industrial and rich than South Kurdistan. Rojava IS the model for the whole Kurdistan. Because of corruption, Islam, and Sunni terrorist leaders like Barzani (child killer), South Kurdistan is still a Third World country dependent on selling the raw materials (oil) and fooling the poor Kurds.



GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSra5p8MDw

LeBrok
25-09-15, 05:05
Because of Russia, South Kurdistan is freed from the Arabs.


Nikita Khrushchev with Mustafa Barzani in Moscow, 1955.


Russia's Stance on the Kurdish Problem

http://journal-neo.org/2013/05/24/russias-stance-on-the-kurdish-problem/


Yes, Putin demanded Erdogan to give Kurds at least the same right as Putin gave to the Chechens. Remember that Chechnya is a federal state with own government inside mother Russia.

Russian politician never harmed Kurds. It were always the Kurds that harmed Russia.
Wow, and where exactly it says so in this article? Not mentioning that it is written in style and smells like old Soviet propaganda piece. Where does it say that Putin is pressing Turkey for Kurdish autonomy or something in this regard? Please cite, maybe I'm going blind.
And behold, Russia the "friend" of Kurds don't even entertain the idea of free Kurdistan, for example, made from parts of countries which don't exist anymore like Syria and Iraq, never mind Turkey or Iran! Where is your Putin supporting free Kurdistan?!!! I guess it is not in Russian and Putin's interest.

The authorities in Turkey and Iran are firmly opposed to any foreign ties and contacts by their Kurdish minorities. Therefore, Russian representatives are forced to refrain from all relations with the Kurds in those countries. Moreover, in order to maintain partnership (strategic) relations with Ankara and Tehran, Russian officials try to avoid the issue of ethnic discrimination against Kurds in Turkey and Iran during bilateral talks.
"The friend" of Kurdistan doesn't want to anger Turkey nor Iran. And you want Russia to tell Turkey about Federation with Kurds, lol.

First appeared:http://journal-neo.org/2013/05/24/russias-stance-on-the-kurdish-problem/

LeBrok
25-09-15, 05:09
In an interview with Interfax news agency, Novikov said that according to the intelligence services, there are about 2,000 Russian citizens fighting amongst ISIS militants; however experts put the number at nearly 5,000.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19308-more-than-2000-russians-joined-isis

LeBrok
25-09-15, 05:27
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/14758-saudis-most-likely-to-join-isis-10-of-groups-fighters-are-women
Total numberIn recent estimations published by the CIA, there are between 20,000 and 31,500 ISIS fighters in Iraq and Syria.
CIA spokesman Ryan Trapani said that these estimations are based on a review of intelligence reports from May to August 2014.
Trapani attributed the increase of 10,000 fighters to the organisation's stronger recruitment since June following battlefield successes and the group's declaration of a caliphate.





https://libraryeuroparl.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/foreign_fighters_map.png

Alan
25-09-15, 07:20
Wow, and where exactly it says so in this article? Not mentioning that it is written in style and smells like old Soviet propaganda piece. Where does it say that Putin is pressing Turkey for Kurdish autonomy or something in this regard? Please cite, maybe I'm going blind.
And behold, Russia the "friend" of Kurds don't even entertain the idea of free Kurdistan, for example, made from parts of countries which don't exist anymore like Syria and Iraq, never mind Turkey or Iran! Where is your Putin supporting free Kurdistan?!!! I guess it is not in Russian and Putin's interest.

"The friend" of Kurdistan doesn't want to anger Turkey nor Iran. And you want Russia to tell Turkey about Federation with Kurds, lol.

First appeared:http://journal-neo.org/2013/05/24/russias-stance-on-the-kurdish-problem/



Give it up already with him. post WW1 the Kurds declared an Independent state in Northwest of Iran, the Soviets were close allies with Kurds back than and supplied them with military equipment resulting in various defeats for the Persian army who were already used to it by the horsemans of Simko Shikak (whom they only could defeat by a trap in which they poisned him), and bringing fears in the now very young Turkish republic. A little stay in middle of Persia and modern Turkey was the reson for various geopolitical conflicts. The Persian, back than allies of the British and Americans (Anglo_Persian company) and Turkey new allies of the US brought rumors up and accused the Kurdish Mahabad republic of being "Communists" because they were allied to the Soviet Union. They asked the Western powers to put presure on Moscow to withdraw their support for the Kurds. And it worked. After an agreement with the Soviets Moscow abondened the Kurds to their fate, being slowly swallowed by the Anglo_Persian army.

Back than the Prasident was Qazi Mohammed and his commander of the army was Mustafa Barzani, who went there after fighting the British-Iraqi alliance in Iraqi Kurdistan. Since the beggining of the 20th century the Kurds had not only to fight all their neighbors what on itself was bad enough but also their allies (Especially the British colonial powers). Persia was than the best buddy of Britain.

But this doesn't seem to bother Goga. That his Persian buddies were oppressing the Kurds with help of Britain.

After the West came to an agreement with the Soviets, the Soviets simply abondened the Kurds. Without military support this was the beginning of the downfall against the Persians and their British allies. And this is also when the famous march of Mustafa Barzani and 500 of his fighters through Iran and Turkey into the Soviet union. On his way through Turkey a regiment o 2000 Turkish soldier put themselves in their way only to be defeated in days and Mustafa Barzani and his fighters keeping their path to Soviet Union.

Arrived in Moscow it is said that Mustafa Barzani knocked on the door with the words, "Here is the voice of the Kurds, you abandoned, speaking.". The Soviet union decided to host him and his fighters for over 10 years and support his plans to regain som ground in Kurdistan, (probably because the Soviets knew he was right and felt guilty for abandoning the Kurds).

Thats how it ws back than we Kurds were te allies of Russia while Iran and Turkey allies of the West. How fast geopolitical relationships can change.

This was the second, but unfortunately not the last time the Kurds had to learn the hard way to never rely on anyone else. This is how the Kurdish proverb "No friends but the mountains came to live."


Relying on Russia or the West for that matter, that they would completely put aside their own interests to support us is not only naive and dumb but in the case of a Kurdish individual simply sad.

Geopolitics never worked the way of who is right and who is wrong but who is my ally and what suits my own interests most.

And this is how we Kurds need act and our politicians seem to have learned from the failures of the past (at least for most). You can't rely on the world powers, but you also can't without them.

Piro Ilir
25-09-15, 12:45
There got to be a first time some day. As with democracy, creating an good union is a process too, maybe a long process.
Yes agree. But when that day comes, there will be no more people in middle east. Everyone left or killed.

Piro Ilir
25-09-15, 12:47
Erdogan, Abbas and Putin in an opening ceremony of a Mosque in Russia.

How serious do you mean it with you "fight against ISIS" if you invite the number one supporter of them? Geopolitics is just a dirty game.


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12042850_769721663168130_5358286184540629592_n.jpg ?oh=5fe106ee9cda0b6d97111995db8decc5&oe=569D4B27

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Interesting. When it happened? Which is the date of these photos?

Piro Ilir
25-09-15, 12:50
Day before Netanyahu was in Russia.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-560079c5/turbine/la-fg-russia-syria-israel-20150921-001/900/900x506


Next week Saudi Arabia will meet Putin


Russia is a SUPER power. And Russia proved to be a super power.

Th US lost the war in the Middle East, like the US lost a war in Somalia, Vietnam etc.


The US Sunni Daesh dogs are defeated and those who supported Daesh are in panic!

Israel supported Daesh aginst Shia Muslims. Daesh is defeated, now Netanyahu is begging not to be attacked by Hezbollah (Shia), lol.
Yeah. Agree. All this happening because Obama is too weak. But sooner or later you will see the right president in white house, and that would be a serious problem for your Iranians

Piro Ilir
25-09-15, 13:06
Russia I guarantying the Kurds in Syria and Turkey at least an autonomy and weapons. Because of Russia, Turkey and Syrian will be federal. Like the Russians established an autonomy in Iraq. So all Kurds can build further on their common future in peace. Russia is also a FEDERATION!

According to Putin: Turkey, Iraq and Syria should be the same FEDERATION as Russia!


At this moment Russia is a GLOBAL superpower. King of Kings. It is in much better position that the USA.


Russians defeated the USA in Northern Caucasus, in Crimea, in Ukraine and now in the Middle East.



The USA tried to weaken Russia through Islam, lol. They did the same with Daesh retard monkeys, what they did with AL-Qaeda in Central Asia. But they FAILED! PKK defeated Daesh.

You are too contradictory. You said in another post, that Turkey will be destroyed.

Piro Ilir
25-09-15, 13:24
Give it up already with him. post WW1 the Kurds declared an Independent state in Northwest of Iran, the Soviets were close allies with Kurds back than and supplied them with military equipment resulting in various defeats for the Persian army who were already used to it by the horsemans of Simko Shikak (whom they only could defeat by a trap in which they poisned him), and bringing fears in the now very young Turkish republic. A little stay in middle of Persia and modern Turkey was the reson for various geopolitical conflicts. The Persian, back than allies of the British and Americans (Anglo_Persian company) and Turkey new allies of the US brought rumors up and accused the Kurdish Mahabad republic of being "Communists" because they were allied to the Soviet Union. They asked the Western powers to put presure on Moscow to withdraw their support for the Kurds. And it worked. After an agreement with the Soviets Moscow abondened the Kurds to their fate, being slowly swallowed by the Anglo_Persian army.

Back than the Prasident was Qazi Mohammed and his commander of the army was Mustafa Barzani, who went there after fighting the British-Iraqi alliance in Iraqi Kurdistan. Since the beggining of the 20th century the Kurds had not only to fight all their neighbors what on itself was bad enough but also their allies (Especially the British colonial powers). Persia was than the best buddy of Britain.

But this doesn't seem to bother Goga. That his Persian buddies were oppressing the Kurds with help of Britain.

After the West came to an agreement with the Soviets, the Soviets simply abondened the Kurds. Without military support this was the beginning of the downfall against the Persians and their British allies. And this is also when the famous march of Mustafa Barzani and 500 of his fighters through Iran and Turkey into the Soviet union. On his way through Turkey a regiment o 2000 Turkish soldier put themselves in their way only to be defeated in days and Mustafa Barzani and his fighters keeping their path to Soviet Union.

Arrived in Moscow it is said that Mustafa Barzani knocked on the door with the words, "Here is the voice of the Kurds, you abandoned, speaking.". The Soviet union decided to host him and his fighters for over 10 years and support his plans to regain som ground in Kurdistan, (probably because the Soviets knew he was right and felt guilty for abandoning the Kurds).

Thats how it ws back than we Kurds were te allies of Russia while Iran and Turkey allies of the West. How fast geopolitical relationships can change.

This was the second, but unfortunately not the last time the Kurds had to learn the hard way to never rely on anyone else. This is how the Kurdish proverb "No friends but the mountains came to live."


Relying on Russia or the West for that matter, that they would completely put aside their own interests to support us is not only naive and dumb but in the case of a Kurdish individual simply sad.

Geopolitics never worked the way of who is right and who is wrong but who is my ally and what suits my own interests most.

And this is how we Kurds need act and our politicians seem to have learned from the failures of the past (at least for most). You can't rely on the world powers, but you also can't without them.
Interesting . I agree. But today we have a different situation. The west is lead by USA, which is the protector of democracy. The whole solution of the world problems we could find within the democracy. It's better for Kurds to be to the right side

Goga
25-09-15, 13:52
You are too contradictory. You said in another post, that Turkey will be destroyed.

When there will be a civil war, Turkey will be totally destroyed. But there’s still no civil war in Turkey.

Turkey is already destroyed. Turkey from now on will never be same as Turkey 1 year ago.

Turkey is as weak and unimportant as Kosovo and Albania. A useless country. It will have the same status as Kosovo in the IR.

Goga
25-09-15, 13:56
You are too contradictory. You said in another post, that Turkey will be destroyed.
I'm not really pro-Iran. I'm pro-Aryan Union in the future. An union between Persia and independent Great Kurdistan. At this moment Turkey is a bigger threat and enemy of Kurds. First we have to liberate Northern Kurdistan. Then we will liberate the Eastern (Iranian) Kurdistan.

Sunni Islam, Daesh, Turkey, Islamists Kurdish leader (Barzani) are our top priority.

Sooner or later we will liberate Eastern Kurdistan from Persians. Eastern Kurdistan is a place where a Kurdish race has been born. Very important to us. But Turkey needs to go down FIRST.

Goga
25-09-15, 14:03
In an interview with Interfax news agency, Novikov said that according to the intelligence services, there are about 2,000 Russian citizens fighting amongst ISIS militants; however experts put the number at nearly 5,000.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/19308-more-than-2000-russians-joined-isis



Those are Muslim Chechens, or other Muslims from Northern Caucasus.

DuPidh
25-09-15, 16:05
I’m not really pro-Iran. I'm prr-Aryan Union in the future. An union between Persia and independent Great Kurdistan. At this moment Turkey is a bigger threat and enemy of Kurds. First we have to liberate Northern Kurdistan. Than we will liberate the Eastern (Iranian) Kurdistan.

Sunni Islam, Daesh, Turkey, Islamists Kurdish leader (Barzani) are our top priority.

Sooner or later we will liberate Eastern Kurdistan from Persians. Eastern Kurdistan is a place where a Kurdish race has been born. Very important to us. But Turkey needs to go down FIRST.




Your words in God's ears! Good luck in your struggle! Just check one more time the calculations for blunders!

Piro Ilir
26-09-15, 13:38
When there will be a civil war, Turkey will be totally destroyed. But there’s still no civil war in Turkey.

Turkey is already destroyed. Turkey from now on will never be same as Turkey 1 year ago.

Turkey is as weak and unimportant as Kosovo and Albania. A useless country. It will have the same status as Kosovo in the IR.
Comparing whether the Turkish nation and the Kurdish nation with the Albanian nation is nonsense. The Albanian populace is 6 million people. Kurdish are 40 million, and Turkish even more. Turks are a great nation. Also are the Iranians. Albanians are just a little nation, that's all. Albanians are the last remains of the great and the largest nation of the antiquity, ylliri- tracians.

Piro Ilir
26-09-15, 13:39
I'm not really pro-Iran. I'm pro-Aryan Union in the future. An union between Persia and independent Great Kurdistan. At this moment Turkey is a bigger threat and enemy of Kurds. First we have to liberate Northern Kurdistan. Then we will liberate the Eastern (Iranian) Kurdistan.

Sunni Islam, Daesh, Turkey, Islamists Kurdish leader (Barzani) are our top priority.

Sooner or later we will liberate Eastern Kurdistan from Persians. Eastern Kurdistan is a place where a Kurdish race has been born. Very important to us. But Turkey needs to go down FIRST.
What about Hezbollah. What about the Shiite terrorist regime of Iran ?

LeBrok
26-09-15, 18:14
What about Hezbollah. What about the Shiite terrorist regime of Iran ? What with the tricky questions? You'll ruin his beautiful dream!

LeBrok
29-09-15, 03:14
I was able to catch part of Putin's speech in UN. Seems that he is really concerned with jihadists coming from Russia to fight with ISIS. It is a huge concern as there is about 20 million Muslims living in Russia. The last thing he wants is for them to start building Caliphate in Russia.
Here is my take what he might want to accomplish.
He might want to destroy the purpose of new jihadists cause, the so called Caliphate in Syria and Iraq. Defeating "Caliphate"/ISIS will take away the dogma, the ideology, that this is a biblical Caliphate, which supposedly will rule the Earth till the end of times. For many religious young Muslims (young people by nature are very idealistic), to think that Islam will rule the world as only religion is a very catchy idea. ISIS claims that it is a vehicle to accomplish the goal, catches their minds and draws them into the fight.
Well, Putin might be up for something good this time.

Secondary Putin's goal might be to push the Daesh fighters through West Iraq into Saudi Arabia to destabilize their oil production, and by doing it to raise worlds oil prices.

Goga
01-10-15, 02:18
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/560c148b9dd7cc19008be2c5-1200/image.jpg (http://static.businessinsider.com/image/560c148b9dd7cc19008be2c5/image.jpg)


http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2015/10/01/me02_big.jpg




And now its game ON. Putin, I salute you! For mother RUSSIA!

Unlike the US, Russian is going to destroy Sunny Muslim subhuman monkeys, the creation of the US and Israel, for REAL.

Oh, and also there are very great developments in Israel and Palestine. What goes around comes around. Israel and the US created a warzone in Kurdistan and now they will get what they deserve, agony and hellfire!


They committed, by using Sunni Islam, a GENOCIDE on my people, the OLDEST people on this planet. Such a crime against humanity will NEVER remain unpunished, be it today be it tomorrow, criminals will pay the price.

Sile
01-10-15, 08:05
I agree with Goga

plus why does USA play the same game as russia...........USA ask the kurds to attack ISIL and then allow the turks to attack the Kurds, come on USA , you are doing the same thing, stop the turks and ask the turks why they do not attack ISIL.

USA patting kurds on the back with one hand then stabbing in the back with the other hand. announce the kurds a homeland and stop the turks, then ISIL will fall

USA is losing face with its European friends playing these silly games

LeBrok
01-10-15, 08:25
I agree with Goga

plus why does USA play the same game as russia...........USA ask the kurds to attack ISIL and then allow the turks to attack the Kurds, come on USA , you are doing the same thing, stop the turks and ask the turks why they do not attack ISIL.

USA patting kurds on the back with one hand then stabbing in the back with the other hand. announce the kurds a homeland and stop the turks, then ISIL will fall

USA is losing face with its European friends playing these silly games
Since when USA controls Turkey?

Boreas
01-10-15, 11:33
And now its game ON. Putin, I salute you! For mother RUSSIA!

Unlike the US, Russian is going to destroy Sunny Muslim subhuman monkeys, the creation of the US and Israel, for REAL.

Oh, and also there are very great developments in Israel and Palestine. What goes around comes around. Israel and the US created a warzone in Kurdistan and now they will get what they deserve, agony and hellfire!


They committed, by using Sunni Islam, a GENOCIDE on my people, the OLDEST people on this planet. Such a crime against humanity will NEVER remain unpunished, be it today be it tomorrow, criminals will pay the price.

You have listened Pan-Kurdish News. If you finished your bloody black propoganda, Let's talk the reality.


Russia said they attacked ISIS but they didn't. They hit Free Syrian Army. Free Syrian Army is easy target. Western support is very limited for them and they are the barrier between Kurds and Assadm. If they gone, the west part of area which is controled by Syrian Kurd would be open for him. I am wondering what will you do, if Russian bombs hit Afrin for Assad's interest.



I agree with Goga

plus why does USA play the same game as russia...........USA ask the kurds to attack ISIL and then allow the turks to attack the Kurds, come on USA , you are doing the same thing, stop the turks and ask the turks why they do not attack ISIL.

USA patting kurds on the back with one hand then stabbing in the back with the other hand. announce the kurds a homeland and stop the turks, then ISIL will fall

USA is losing face with its European friends playing these silly games


Lack of empathy can be read your words, Typical Far Western. These people are living under the borders which were created by people like you.

Piro Ilir
02-10-15, 12:47
I was able to catch part of Putin's speech in UN. Seems that he is really concerned with jihadists coming from Russia to fight with ISIS. It is a huge concern as there is about 20 million Muslims living in Russia. The last thing he wants is for them to start building Caliphate in Russia.
Here is my take what he might want to accomplish.
He might want to destroy the purpose of new jihadists cause, the so called Caliphate in Syria and Iraq. Defeating "Caliphate"/ISIS will take away the dogma, the ideology, that this is a biblical Caliphate, which supposedly will rule the Earth till the end of times. For many religious young Muslims (young people by nature are very idealistic), to think that Islam will rule the world as only religion is a very catchy idea. ISIS claims that it is a vehicle to accomplish the goal, catches their minds and draws them into the fight.
Well, Putin might be up for something good this time.

Secondary Putin's goal might be to push the Daesh fighters through West Iraq into Saudi Arabia to destabilize their oil production, and by doing it to raise worlds oil prices.
What they speak in UN, doesn't necessarily mean their true thoughts. His problem is to have keep the influence onto middle east. They have already start a new influence in Yemen. I think Russia and Iran are working hard. I heard that Putin is bombing the liberal anti- Assad fighters, not the Isis. It would be difficult to bring him away from there. I think we have a new cold war. As soon we admit it, better would be for us.

Piro Ilir
02-10-15, 12:50
http://static.businessinsider.com/image/560c148b9dd7cc19008be2c5-1200/image.jpg (http://static.businessinsider.com/image/560c148b9dd7cc19008be2c5/image.jpg)


http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/myfiles/Images/2015/10/01/me02_big.jpg




And now its game ON. Putin, I salute you! For mother RUSSIA!

Unlike the US, Russian is going to destroy Sunny Muslim subhuman monkeys, the creation of the US and Israel, for REAL.

Oh, and also there are very great developments in Israel and Palestine. What goes around comes around. Israel and the US created a warzone in Kurdistan and now they will get what they deserve, agony and hellfire!


They committed, by using Sunni Islam, a GENOCIDE on my people, the OLDEST people on this planet. Such a crime against humanity will NEVER remain unpunished, be it today be it tomorrow, criminals will pay the price.
You saying that USA made war crimes against Kurds? Do you have any argument, or just Iranian propaganda.

Piro Ilir
02-10-15, 12:56
I agree with Goga

plus why does USA play the same game as russia...........USA ask the kurds to attack ISIL and then allow the turks to attack the Kurds, come on USA , you are doing the same thing, stop the turks and ask the turks why they do not attack ISIL.

USA patting kurds on the back with one hand then stabbing in the back with the other hand. announce the kurds a homeland and stop the turks, then ISIL will fall

USA is losing face with its European friends playing these silly games
What? Losing face! !! Why? Because you like so. If some Kurds are pro Iranian, of course USA is not gonna support them. USA support those who are pro western.

Alan
03-10-15, 03:09
too many delusional fantasies going around here.

1. First and major reason for Russia finally starting their airstrikes in Syria is that Damascus regime is on the edge of destruction. When Russia announced their plans of airstrikes and ground forces, ISIS and/or FSA had just reached the doors of Damascus. It's all about saving the own ally in the Near East and not really the ISIS threat. The ISIS threat doesn't exist just since yesterday so why not conduct airstrikes on ISIS earlier? Anyways didn't the West start their airstrikes much earlier while Russia and China were using their veto to stop any inteference in Syria? And now while Russia is doing it themselve everyone seems happy. It's a little bit paradox there. So whats all this fuss about Russian airstries? It's definitely good if they want to hit ISIS. But I even see people who were completely against US airstrikes suddenly praising and supporting those airstrikes. So is it really about the "fight against ISIS and the airstrikes" or in reality just about who conducts them?

2. Russia has realized that ISIS (a large part of them Russian citizens) is becoming a danger for Russia and it's allies themselves.

3. Neither the West nor the East will start to bomb the Kurds. One reason for this is, Kurds have managed to gain popularity and the image of the third, neutral and only realy democratic group in Syria. Non of the two sides could justify an attack on Kurds. Neither Putin nor the too passive Obama is the enemy of the Kurds. Russia invited various times Kurdish representatives from Iraq and Syria and gave support for Kurdish ambitions so did US representatives. This is why Putin acknowledged in his UN speech that Kurds and "Assad" are the only once really fighting ISIS and should be supported.


4. It seems to me like "Kurds" have become a synonym for "the good guys" in this conflict that both sides are using the Kurds like an attribute in combination with their own allies to give them more credibility and popularity. This is why the US talks always about "the brave Kurds and their Rebel 'rebel allies'." this makes the impression that "rebels must be also good guys since they are the allies of the Kurds who we know are the good Guys". The same with the Damascus regime. "Well if the Damascus regime is also fighting the ISIS just like the Kurds, who we know are good guys, than the Regime can't be so bad at all".

Being associated with Kurds in this conflict seems to be good promo. If we Kurds are smart we could use this for our own benefits and I think our politicians are not dumb and they are already doing this. Neverless this doesn't change the fact for me that the Damascus regime has lost it's credibility and should never again gain the control of all Syria. Syria must be ruled or even divided by the different groups, there is no way around that. As much I don't trust the "Syrian rebels" who change their colors from one day to another and are often almost identical to JAN(Al Qaida) and ISIS. Those "Rebels" gaining control of all Syria would be as a big catastrophy. It would become a training camp for ISIS/Al Qaida affiliated groups.

5. When ISIS is gone I highly doubt that Russia will conduct attacks on Kurds on behalf of the Damascus regime in fact I assume they will try to find a consensus between Damascus and Kurds. So will the US, they also try to find a consensus between Rebel-groups and Kurds. Non of the both will attack the Kurds on behalf of their allies.

Unfortunately I doubt they will do anything if their allies start to attack the Kurds either. Just like Russia didn't bother the decades Syrian Regime attacks and US the FSA-Turkey attacks on Kurdish territory. They will call it "internal problems" and remain silent.


So no need for wet dreams

Yetos
04-10-15, 00:08
What? Losing face! !! Why? Because you like so. If some Kurds are pro Iranian, of course USA is not gonna support them. USA support those who are pro western.

come on,
and you are pro-USA,

they play games against humans there,
and USA is not innocent.

Yetos
04-10-15, 00:17
@ Alan

wait to see, the game does not finish here,
wait when the Oyghurs arrive at Daesh land,
China brought Aircarriers at 2014 at |East mediterrenean, and is planning again to bring
and EU simply argues about immigrants,
did not take any serious military action yet,
wait to see Boco Haram travel to Syria

it is a long way there,
may the Gods show mercy there,
cause we live the times of Eris of the 5th Human era, the start of the end of Iron race,

Alan
05-10-15, 14:45
@ Alan

wait to see, the game does not finish here,
wait when the Oyghurs arrive at Daesh land,
China brought Aircarriers at 2014 at |East mediterrenean, and is planning again to bring
and EU simply argues about immigrants,
did not take any serious military action yet,
wait to see Boco Haram travel to Syria

it is a long way there,
may the Gods show mercy there,
cause we live the times of Eris of the 5th Human era, the start of the end of Iron race,


I really don't care who conducts the airstrikes, as long as it is against Daesh and
affiliated groups. Russia, China and US and more can join. As long as they don't attack my people for geopolitical reasons I am fine. The only country current I see conducting airstrikes against Kurds (most likely on behalf on Daesh and affiliated groups) is Turkey.

Sile
05-10-15, 20:44
. The only country current I see conducting airstrikes against Kurds (most likely on behalf on Daesh and affiliated groups) is Turkey.

this is because the kurds are pushing back ISIL from all kurdish lands, but the kurds will not enter "arabic lands". The Turks are supporting ISIL by bombing the kurds and the annoying part is that the USA is not stopping them even though the kurds are aiding the USA against ISIL.
the weak iraqi sunni army is defecting to ISIL while the iraqi shite portion is not.

I can only see the following for peace in the area

a split of the iraqi nation

a split of the syrian nation

a creation of kurdistan nation at the expense of northern iraq and turkish lands ................something which will only happen only if Edgoran sits on the turkish "throne "

Alan
05-10-15, 22:17
this is because the kurds are pushing back ISIL from all kurdish lands, but the kurds will not enter "arabic lands". The Turks are supporting ISIL by bombing the kurds and the annoying part is that the USA is not stopping them even though the kurds are aiding the USA against ISIL.
the weak iraqi sunni army is defecting to ISIL while the iraqi shite portion is not.

I can only see the following for peace in the area

a split of the iraqi nation

a split of the syrian nation

a creation of kurdistan nation at the expense of northern iraq and turkish lands ................something which will only happen only if Edgoran sits on the turkish "throne "


See my comment above

Unfortunately I doubt they will do anything if their allies start to attack the Kurds either. Just like Russia didn't bother the decades Syrian Regime attacks and US the FSA-Turkey attacks on Kurdish territory. They will call it "internal problems" and remain silent.



Until now Turkey has conducted over 100 airstrikes against PKK, but only one (according to themselves and this not even verified) against ISIS.

Yetos
06-10-15, 00:02
this is because the kurds are pushing back ISIL from all kurdish lands, but the kurds will not enter "arabic lands". The Turks are supporting ISIL by bombing the kurds and the annoying part is that the USA is not stopping them even though the kurds are aiding the USA against ISIL.
the weak iraqi sunni army is defecting to ISIL while the iraqi shite portion is not.

I can only see the following for peace in the area

a split of the iraqi nation

a split of the syrian nation

a creation of kurdistan nation at the expense of northern iraq and turkish lands ................something which will only happen only if Edgoran sits on the turkish "throne "

I agree with that but I think
Iraq will split to 3

Arab south Kurdish North and Bagdath East

same with Syrria,
to Assant
to Arabs
to Kurds

Turkey is in big problem now,
Russia is not PKK
and USA still is to far,

BUT FROM WHAT I READ TODAY,
SAUDI ARABIA IS ABOUT TO BUY EXPENSIVE MODERN WEAPONRY TO SUPPORT GUERILLA WAR IN SYRIA
AS YOU SEE
IT IS MADNESS, AND THE ONE WHO WAS BEHIND WAS INDEED SAUDIs homeland of OSAMA (or OBAMA?)
soon they have political problem there and next king is obvious ask help from radical imams

anyway neither USA neither China said their last word yet,
war might expand to Balkans or China Oyugurs
EU still keeps a neutral stance, rather anti-terror,

LeBrok
06-10-15, 03:59
Russian war plane invades Turkish airspace! It is unnerving for Turkey because this particular region is disputed with Syria.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-says-russian-fighter-jet-violated-its-airspace-with-syria-1444040488
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/russian-fighter-jet-plane.jpg

I don't think anything significant will turn out of it. Russians are known to test their neighbors military readiness, in this case neighbors of Syria.

Alan
06-10-15, 05:32
this is because the kurds are pushing back ISIL from all kurdish lands, but the kurds will not enter "arabic lands". The Turks are supporting ISIL by bombing the kurds and the annoying part is that the USA is not stopping them even though the kurds are aiding the USA against ISIL.
the weak iraqi sunni army is defecting to ISIL while the iraqi shite portion is not.

I can only see the following for peace in the area

a split of the iraqi nation

a split of the syrian nation

a creation of kurdistan nation at the expense of northern iraq and turkish lands ................something which will only happen only if Edgoran sits on the turkish "throne "


Just while we are at it. Yesterday a video and image went viral. The son in law of one of the HDP (Pro Kurdish party) politicians and an artist was killed by a police during drive by shooting without any reason and his corp was dragged bound to the vehicles through the streets. Necrophilia in ISIS manner. Same people in different dress.


Turkey: Image of Kurdish man's body being dragged through streets by Turkish soldiers goes viral [PHOTOS+ VIDEO]


An image purportedly showing a Turkish army truck dragging the body of a Kurdish man through the streets of Sirnak, a Turkish town in south-eastern Turkey, has gone viral. The photo, widely being circulated online, has caused an outrage in the Turkish town, where hundreds participated in the funeral of the dead man on Sunday.
The 24-year Kurdish youth identified as HacI Lokman Birlik, the brother-in-law of pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) Sirnak deputy Leyla Birlik, was shot dead by the Turkish special forces on Friday night (2 October), a report (http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_outcry-after-photos-show-dead-body-being-dragged-behind-police-vehicle_400567.html) said.



HDP Co-chair Selahattin Demirtas, a Kurdish politician who is a co-leader of the left-wing pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) who uploaded the image on his social media accounts wrote: "Take a good look at this picture. It was taken yesterday in Sirnak. Do not forget this, because we will not forget".
Turkey, which initially had denied the incident, later in a statement claimed that the body of the youth was dragged on the streets as it was suspected that he was wearing a suicide vest, according to a report in Sabah (http://www.sabah.com.tr/gundem/2015/10/04/pkkli-teroristin-cesedinin-sirri-ortaya-cikti).

Save Kobane (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=474169479452552&id=297459630456872), a pro-Kurdish Facebook group shared the image on its wall with the caption: "This is not ISIS, not Saudi Arabia nor Iran. This is the Turkish military, a NATO member and US ally, dragging the body of a Kurdish youth behind an armoured vehicle in Şirnak, northern Kurdistan. This is not the nineties, this is yesterday. He was a civilian, his name was Hacı Lokman Birlik, and he was 24 years old. How can the world still remain silent? Don't forget, because we won't forget.
‪#‎TurkishTerrorState‬ ‪#‎Turkey‬ ‪#‎KurdsUnderTurkishAttack‬."
For the past several weeks, a heavy fighting has been on between Turkish forces and the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Sirnak province. The Turkish forces have been accused of heinous crimes against the locals in the name of suppressing the PKK -- which is listed as a terror group by Turkey.
A video claimed to have been shot by the Turkish soldiers also has been shared online.



Yep since Kurds are known to wear suicide vest. What a miserable simply typical Turkish claim and excuse. First they denied it and brought photoshoped images out. Later when the Video appeared they couldn't deny it anymore and claim he had a suicide vest. But on the video it is obviously visible he isn't wearing anything close to a vest. According to eye witnesses he was standing on the street side while a Turkish police vehicles stopped and guns fired at him. In the video you also see how they insult the dead body.



http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-image-kurdish-mans-body-being-dragged-through-streets-goes-viral-649131

http://www.bgnnews.com/files/arsiv/Kurdish-militant-04-10-2015.jpg


while on it racist turkish cyber hackers (probably payed by the government) are doing their best to get the videos removed from various website with the logic (if their is no clear prove, you are not guilty) the same way they support ISIS "without prove".

But here is the video. Does this corp look like he was "wearing a suicide vest"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xVKV2NHCwE

Alan
06-10-15, 05:40
Russian war plane invades Turkish airspace! It is unnerving for Turkey because this particular region is disputed with Syria.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-says-russian-fighter-jet-violated-its-airspace-with-syria-1444040488
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/russian-fighter-jet-plane.jpg

I don't think anything significant will turn out of it. Russians are known to test their neighbors military readiness, in this case neighbors of Syria.

If you want to bomb ISIS, you have to violate Turkish airpace. May Russia not only invade Turkish airsprace but freakn bomb the hell out of it, would love to see how Turkey is doing with countries who can actually defend themselves. As long as I remember Turkey has always bullied groups and countries who were either weakned or couldn't defend themselves.

Didn't Turkey invade Syrian airspace various times themselves? How about tasting their own medicine once themselves. If they are so tuff lets see their reaction against Russia. Bullying your weakned neighbor is always easy.

Piro Ilir
06-10-15, 20:25
too many delusional fantasies going around here.

1. First and major reason for Russia finally starting their airstrikes in Syria is that Damascus regime is on the edge of destruction. When Russia announced their plans of airstrikes and ground forces, ISIS and/or FSA had just reached the doors of Damascus. It's all about saving the own ally in the Near East and not really the ISIS threat. The ISIS threat doesn't exist just since yesterday so why not conduct airstrikes on ISIS earlier? Anyways didn't the West start their airstrikes much earlier while Russia and China were using their veto to stop any inteference in Syria? And now while Russia is doing it themselve everyone seems happy. It's a little bit paradox there. So whats all this fuss about Russian airstries? It's definitely good if they want to hit ISIS. But I even see people who were completely against US airstrikes suddenly praising and supporting those airstrikes. So is it really about the "fight against ISIS and the airstrikes" or in reality just about who conducts them?

2. Russia has realized that ISIS (a large part of them Russian citizens) is becoming a danger for Russia and it's allies themselves.

3. Neither the West nor the East will start to bomb the Kurds. One reason for this is, Kurds have managed to gain popularity and the image of the third, neutral and only realy democratic group in Syria. Non of the two sides could justify an attack on Kurds. Neither Putin nor the too passive Obama is the enemy of the Kurds. Russia invited various times Kurdish representatives from Iraq and Syria and gave support for Kurdish ambitions so did US representatives. This is why Putin acknowledged in his UN speech that Kurds and "Assad" are the only once really fighting ISIS and should be supported.


4. It seems to me like "Kurds" have become a synonym for "the good guys" in this conflict that both sides are using the Kurds like an attribute in combination with their own allies to give them more credibility and popularity. This is why the US talks always about "the brave Kurds and their Rebel 'rebel allies'." this makes the impression that "rebels must be also good guys since they are the allies of the Kurds who we know are the good Guys". The same with the Damascus regime. "Well if the Damascus regime is also fighting the ISIS just like the Kurds, who we know are good guys, than the Regime can't be so bad at all".

Being associated with Kurds in this conflict seems to be good promo. If we Kurds are smart we could use this for our own benefits and I think our politicians are not dumb and they are already doing this. Neverless this doesn't change the fact for me that the Damascus regime has lost it's credibility and should never again gain the control of all Syria. Syria must be ruled or even divided by the different groups, there is no way around that. As much I don't trust the "Syrian rebels" who change their colors from one day to another and are often almost identical to JAN(Al Qaida) and ISIS. Those "Rebels" gaining control of all Syria would be as a big catastrophy. It would become a training camp for ISIS/Al Qaida affiliated groups.

5. When ISIS is gone I highly doubt that Russia will conduct attacks on Kurds on behalf of the Damascus regime in fact I assume they will try to find a consensus between Damascus and Kurds. So will the US, they also try to find a consensus between Rebel-groups and Kurds. Non of the both will attack the Kurds on behalf of their allies.

Unfortunately I doubt they will do anything if their allies start to attack the Kurds either. Just like Russia didn't bother the decades Syrian Regime attacks and US the FSA-Turkey attacks on Kurdish territory. They will call it "internal problems" and remain silent.


So no need for wet dreams
Russia is bombing only the FSA. Till now there are no bombs against the ISIS . Russia is more concerned about FSA. NATO seems to be upset about this. I see problems there

Piro Ilir
06-10-15, 20:29
come on,
and you are pro-USA,

they play games against humans there,
and USA is not innocent.
Who is playing games against humans?

Piro Ilir
06-10-15, 20:37
I agree with that but I think
Iraq will split to 3

Arab south Kurdish North and Bagdath East

same with Syrria,
to Assant
to Arabs
to Kurds

Turkey is in big problem now,
Russia is not PKK
and USA still is to far,

BUT FROM WHAT I READ TODAY,
SAUDI ARABIA IS ABOUT TO BUY EXPENSIVE MODERN WEAPONRY TO SUPPORT GUERILLA WAR IN SYRIA
AS YOU SEE
IT IS MADNESS, AND THE ONE WHO WAS BEHIND WAS INDEED SAUDIs homeland of OSAMA (or OBAMA?)
soon they have political problem there and next king is obvious ask help from radical imams

anyway neither USA neither China said their last word yet,
war might expand to Balkans or China Oyugurs
EU still keeps a neutral stance, rather anti-terror,
And who against whom is gonna fight in Balkans?