Kurgan
Kurgan
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- Location
- Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
- Ethnic group
- central European
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I2a (SNP: Z16971+)
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H7c3
Hi all. I have been a "passive observer" for the past 2 years, as Eupedia's built-in registration intelligence considered me spam! I finally figured a work-around by registering through Facebook.
I just wanted to say "thank you" for all the excellent research that has been composed by so many of you, especially the established veterans. I believe the debate has helped to advance our collective knowledge, and without it, we'd still be foraging for nuts and living in caves.
I have been tested on FTDNA, and have learned that I belong to this group of people on the Polish Project page (Z16971+):
...AND under this category: 'I2a2 'Dinaric' Z16971+ (I-Z16971) CTS5966+ CTS10228+ also S17250+ Z16971+'
on the excellent I2a Project page, with the following people:
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Can I safely assume that **majority consensus** is that I2 are the original Paleolithic-->Mesolithic inhabitants of Europe, PRIOR to the advance of the Anatolian (middle eastern) farmers and IE migrants?
Based on the current grouping of Z16971+ people (North Caucasus?), can I also assume that my ancestors likely took refuge somewhere along the north Black Sea shoreline during LGM and then re-expanded back into central/eastern Europe (Slovakia, Ukraine)?
I just wanted to say "thank you" for all the excellent research that has been composed by so many of you, especially the established veterans. I believe the debate has helped to advance our collective knowledge, and without it, we'd still be foraging for nuts and living in caves.
I have been tested on FTDNA, and have learned that I belong to this group of people on the Polish Project page (Z16971+):
Kit | Family Name | Origins | |
296649 | Michal Volek (Gajary, Slovakia) | Slovakia | |
96474 | Loški Potok, Slovenia | Slovenia | |
256403 | Kiril Turkevich, b. c1725 d 1780 | Ukraine | |
101827 | Michael Matusik, b.1871, Bezimes, Poland | Poland | |
280968 | Grzegorz Jaskuła, ca 1720, Żywocin? Poland | Poland | |
...AND under this category: 'I2a2 'Dinaric' Z16971+ (I-Z16971) CTS5966+ CTS10228+ also S17250+ Z16971+'
on the excellent I2a Project page, with the following people:
Kit | Family Name | Origins |
2275 | Baca | Josef Baca, b. 1859 Bordovice, Czech Republic |
280194 | Shidakov | Shidak, Karachay, North Caucasus |
296649 | Volek | Michal Volek (Gajary, Slovakia) |
291803 | Kulchaev | Kulchaev, Karachay |
267765 | Batchaev | Batcha, ataul Jandar, Karachay |
333648 | Urusov | Urus, ataul Islam, Karachay, North Caucasus |
211939 | Urusov | Urus, Karachay |
N38227 | Feketekuty | Mano b 1200, Halych (Galicia), now Galic, Ukraine |
256403 | Turkevich | Kiril Turkevich, b. c1725 d 1780 |
280968 | Jaskuła | Grzegorz Jaskuła, ca 1720, Żywocin? Poland |
N113632 | Kowallis | Jacob Kowallis b. 1735 |
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Can I safely assume that **majority consensus** is that I2 are the original Paleolithic-->Mesolithic inhabitants of Europe, PRIOR to the advance of the Anatolian (middle eastern) farmers and IE migrants?
Based on the current grouping of Z16971+ people (North Caucasus?), can I also assume that my ancestors likely took refuge somewhere along the north Black Sea shoreline during LGM and then re-expanded back into central/eastern Europe (Slovakia, Ukraine)?