in/as which countries/ethnicities can this bloke pass?

I detect a hint of Ashkenazi blood. It must be from the 15-degree angle that his forehead is receding at.
 
Any other group he would fit in?
 
Alright, I'm going to say his origins. This person is Ashkenazi Jewish with roots in modern day Germany, Poland and the Ukraine. As for his maternal/paternal lineages, paternally he's E1b1b1 M35.1 and maternally he's K1a9.
 
John Doe said:
Alright, I'm going to say his origins. This person is Ashkenazi Jewish with roots in modern day Germany, Poland and the Ukraine. As for his maternal/paternal lineages, paternally he's E1b1b1 M35.1 and maternally he's K1a9.
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Very similar to you John Doe :).
 
Maleth said:
Very similar to you John Doe :).
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Yup. :grin: I asked on another site how I looked like, the answers ranged from Mediterranean/middle eastern like Greek or Lebanese to Polish/Ukrainian/British/French/Dutch.
 
John Doe said:
Yup. :grin: I asked on another site how I looked like, the answers ranged from Mediterranean/middle eastern like Greek or Lebanese to Polish/Ukrainian/British/French/Dutch.
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My first reaction was that the man in the picture looked Ashkenazi, but then probably every third or fourth person with whom I interact on a daily basis is Ashkenazi so you tend to form unconscious templates in your mind. My second choice would have been southern European, or a southern European/northern European mix, which Maleth had already basically stated.

Anybody who told you this person looked Middle Eastern of any variety including Lebanese needs glasses.

Ed.
Sorry, that sounds like I'm irritated, and I suppose I am. I woke up with a terrible cold and it makes me cranky!
 
Angela said:
My first reaction was that the man in the picture looked Ashkenazi, but then probably every third or fourth person with whom I interact on a daily basis is Ashkenazi so you tend to form unconscious templates in your mind. My second choice would have been southern European, or a southern European/northern European mix, which Maleth had already basically stated.
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I see, that makes sense, thanks. :)

Angela said:
Anybody who told you this person looked Middle Eastern of any variety including Lebanese needs glasses.
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Yeah, to be quite frank I was quite surprised when that bloke said I can pass for a Lebanese, especially considering that fact that many fellow Aussies I know are of Lebanese descent, and if one would compare them and me, one would see there is a difference. :p

Angela said:
Ed.
Sorry, that sounds like I'm irritated, and I suppose I am. I woke up with a terrible cold and it makes me cranky!
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It's quite alright, it happens to me too. ;)
 
ok

lets isolate and see,

hm

the bone under the mouth is bigand thick, or at least look like that,
a thiner smaller, or with a line inside I would say mediterenean,
but that looks like Northern,

i do not know the analogy of head neck body,
if the head is big then is East mediterrenean
if smaller towards East germany,
I have seen that characteristics in Crete also and minor asian populations,

well either East Germanic,
either Cyprus Crete south Turkey (lycaonia etc) but not the nose,

ok East Germany and around areas
 
Yetos said:
ok

lets isolate and see,

hm

the bone under the mouth is bigand thick, or at least look like that,
a thiner smaller, or with a line inside I would say mediterenean,
but that looks like Northern,

i do not know the analogy of head neck body,
if the head is big then is East mediterrenean
if smaller towards East germany,
I have seen that characteristics in Crete also and minor asian populations,

well either East Germanic,
either Cyprus Crete south Turkey (lycaonia etc) but not the nose,

ok East Germany and around areas
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Thanks. Strange, on Anthrogenica they seemed convinced I'm Mediterranean looking, east Mediterranean specifically (Greek or Lebanese even more specifically). Kind of confusing.
 
John, if you're Ashkenazi, and you've spent the normal amount of time looking in the mirror, and you've grown up around Ashkenazi people all your life, surely you know whether you look like them? What could the opinion of people who've never been around lots of Ashkenazi people or whatever your ethnic group is possibly matter?

Most people engage in this "game" never having been around big groups of these people in their lives. Someone used to post on here making pronouncements on what Italians look like having never set foot in any part of Italy in his entire life. It's total nonsense.

On "anthrofora" sites or from people who are part of that "world", it's also driven by bizarre "racist", often "nordicist", idiotic ideas held by half educated, agenda driven young people just out to either prove they are part of a "whiter", more "European" which they define as more northern European group, or they are trying to label some other group as less white, less European, which they define as less northern European, presumably to make themselves feel "better". It's a bizarre, fringe group best left to their own weird devices, in my opinion.

I based my opinion on the fact that where I live for most of the year, about 1/3 of the non-"Hispanic", non Afro-American and non-SouthAsian/East Asian population is Ashkenazi. Another 1/3 is of Italian, almost always southern Italian descent. The remaining third is variously English/Irish/German descent. There is also a "Middle Eastern" community but it is admittedly very small, and a larger Greek community, some of whom are Cypriots, who originally lived in an Italian/Greek area, but have since, like the Italians, moved out to the suburbs. (Increasingly, of course, there are mixtures, particularly of the Italian/Irish or Italian/Irish-German type, but also some, despite the religious difference, Italian/Ashkenazi mixes. There's one village which, for various reasons, seems to specialize in that particular mix.)

In my opinion, based on seeing these people everyday, the person in this photo doesn't have the most typical Ashkenazi look, but it's certainly a look I've seen among them. However, it wouldn't surprise me to discover that this person was a Jewish/Gentile mix, or of Greek or other type of southern or south-eastern European descent, etc. It would surprise me to discover that this person was Lebanese, not because there aren't Lebanese people who might look like that, but because that isn't the typical Lebanese look.

The bottom line is, as I said, if you are Ashkenazi, raised by Ashkenazi people in an Ashkenazi community, you are the best person to determine if you look Ashkenazi or not.
 
You don't look Lebanese.

I could see you as southern Italian, though not particularly Sicilian nor Calabrese. I actually am not sure if I would guess Greek but I don't think you look "Balkan" so probably not. I don't think of Greeks as looking like Lebanese either.
 
oreo_cookie said:
You don't look Lebanese.

I could see you as southern Italian, though not particularly Sicilian nor Calabrese. I actually am not sure if I would guess Greek but I don't think you look "Balkan" so probably not. I don't think of Greeks as looking like Lebanese either.
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Alright. Thanks for presenting your opinion. :)
 
However, do not think that he is pure Ashkenazi. I only said a "hint of blood". I estimate that that hint is around 1/8 to 1/4 Ashkenazi. The specific nationality must be German. Having Ashkenazi blood is not at all uncommon in Germans.

However, Hebraic-German mixes also have variety within them, and several subtypes, just like every mix. Healthy-Intellectuals of race A are more likely to marry Healthy-Intellectuals from race B than the Disabled of Race B, and vice-versa. This guy looks like the healthy variety of the Hebraic-German.

His Proto-Ariai content is very low (he contains none of the facial markers, or resemblance to Central-Asian populations that have high frequency of these markers). The Proto-Arai were a people originating in Central-Asia 50kya. They spread along Eurasia, before a mass-extinction 30kya killed nearly most of them off. Small populations remained in Europe and Iran. The population in Iran slowly increased, until in 8kya, they migrated to Central Asia, and started expanding their territory. The famous invasions of India were by them, however the invaders went to Pakistan shortly after.
I have a high content, as I have the mitochondria (U2e), scleral shade, and visible facial morphology.
 
MtDNA said:
However, do not think that he is pure Ashkenazi. I only said a "hint of blood". I estimate that that hint is around 1/8 to 1/4 Ashkenazi. The specific nationality must be German. Having Ashkenazi blood is not at all uncommon in Germans.

However, Hebraic-German mixes also have variety within them, and several subtypes, just like every mix. Healthy-Intellectuals of race A are more likely to marry Healthy-Intellectuals from race B than the Disabled of Race B, and vice-versa. This guy looks like the healthy variety of the Hebraic-German.

His Proto-Ariai content is very low (he contains none of the facial markers, or resemblance to Central-Asian populations that have high frequency of these markers). The Proto-Arai were a people originating in Central-Asia 50kya. They spread along Eurasia, before a mass-extinction 30kya killed nearly most of them off. Small populations remained in Europe and Iran. The population in Iran slowly increased, until in 8kya, they migrated to Central Asia, and started expanding their territory. The famous invasions of India were by them, however the invaders went to Pakistan shortly after.
I have a high content, as I have the mitochondria (U2e), scleral shade, and visible facial morphology.
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Well according to 23andme I'm (I'm the one in the picture) 95.1% Ashkenazi and 4.9% broadly European, my paternal roots are in modern day Germany and Poland while my maternal roots are in modern day Poland and Ukraine. The thing is that my biological father was a sperm donor, all I know is that his grandparents were born in Germany and Poland, and that he was 6 ft tall, Shaten hair colour and green blue eyes, so while he was probably predominantly Ashkenazi, he may have had some non Jewish German ancestry, and perhaps some of it sunk to me. All I know is that my biological father was fairer to say the least than my mum who is Mediterranean looking (olive skin, light brown eyes, almost hazel, and dark brown hair).
 
Angela said:
John, if you're Ashkenazi, and you've spent the normal amount of time looking in the mirror, and you've grown up around Ashkenazi people all your life, surely you know whether you look like them? What could the opinion of people who've never been around lots of Ashkenazi people or whatever your ethnic group is possibly matter?

Most people engage in this "game" never having been around big groups of these people in their lives. Someone used to post on here making pronouncements on what Italians look like having never set foot in any part of Italy in his entire life. It's total nonsense.

On "anthrofora" sites or from people who are part of that "world", it's also driven by bizarre "racist", often "nordicist", idiotic ideas held by half educated, agenda driven young people just out to either prove they are part of a "whiter", more "European" which they define as more northern European group, or they are trying to label some other group as less white, less European, which they define as less northern European, presumably to make themselves feel "better". It's a bizarre, fringe group best left to their own weird devices, in my opinion.

I based my opinion on the fact that where I live for most of the year, about 1/3 of the non-"Hispanic", non Afro-American and non-SouthAsian/East Asian population is Ashkenazi. Another 1/3 is of Italian, almost always southern Italian descent. The remaining third is variously English/Irish/German descent. There is also a "Middle Eastern" community but it is admittedly very small, and a larger Greek community, some of whom are Cypriots, who originally lived in an Italian/Greek area, but have since, like the Italians, moved out to the suburbs. (Increasingly, of course, there are mixtures, particularly of the Italian/Irish or Italian/Irish-German type, but also some, despite the religious difference, Italian/Ashkenazi mixes. There's one village which, for various reasons, seems to specialize in that particular mix.)

In my opinion, based on seeing these people everyday, the person in this photo doesn't have the most typical Ashkenazi look, but it's certainly a look I've seen among them. However, it wouldn't surprise me to discover that this person was a Jewish/Gentile mix, or of Greek or other type of southern or south-eastern European descent, etc. It would surprise me to discover that this person was Lebanese, not because there aren't Lebanese people who might look like that, but because that isn't the typical Lebanese look.

The bottom line is, as I said, if you are Ashkenazi, raised by Ashkenazi people in an Ashkenazi community, you are the best person to determine if you look Ashkenazi or not.
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I suppose you're right, and I must say that most of my relatives suggest I'm a little "different" in appearance. One relative though who's 92, was born in Galitzia suggests I'm Jewish looking.
 
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