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Theodorik
01-09-14, 17:32
Scotland's Redheads
http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/gallery/2014/aug/27/gingers-scotlands-redheads-in-pictures
The highest proportion of redheads in the world today is in the Scottish Highlands, which is northern Scotland. Even though some of the people there speak Scottish Gaelic, the fact is that most of these people are descended from Norwegian Vikings. Redheads are rapidly dying out because of low birth rates, immigration, and intermarriage. For some strange reason, even sperm banks, egg banks, and embryo banks have found that customers don't want redhead babies. What a pity!
"Gingers: Scotland's redheads - in picturesScotland has the highest percentage of people with red hair in the world, with Edinburgh - where 40% of people carry the gene - the global capital."
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/27/1409148368383/de210f10-314b-4934-ae61-5026054509b9-320x480.jpeg
This is what we need more of!
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Charles Darwin
http://www.revelinnewyork.com/sites/default/files/Charles-Darwin-31.jpg
Reconstruction of Neanderthal Child
http://www.rdos.net/neanderthal.jpg
http://www.rdos.net/neanderthal.jpg
Red hair did not originate among Africans, although redheads from Europe and the Middle East did invade North Africa.
Joseph, Father of the Jewish People
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Mummy of Pharaoh Ramesses the Great http://www.delange.org/Egyptian_Museum/EP2.htm

http://www.delange.org/Egyptian_Museum/Ramses2.jpg




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Fire Haired14
01-09-14, 20:55
Almost all of those people have straw berry blonde hair not true red hair.

Redheads are not very discriminated from my view point. The interviewer wanted the gingers he was interviewing to say that. The big guy with the beard was obviously responding to a question about being made fun of because he has red hair, not "what it meant to be a redhead". Sometimes gingers are made fun of, judged, and singled out, just like anyone with a unique trait. I think western society's obsession with "freedom", "equal rights", "oppressed minorities", etc. is why in the last few years people have talked about gingers being discriminated,

I don't mean to brag but having red hair in my opinion is one of the best traits a person can have. Because it's unbelievable rare and exotic(not to long ago everyone had black or dark brown hair, and most people still do). Almost everywhere I go I'm the only redhead, I'm not an ordinary dude with nut brown hair, I stick out. People easily remember me because of my red hair, it's almost like walking around with a name tag, because people remember you as "red".Plus redheads have an unspoken bond, like bald people.


Even though some of the people there speak Scottish Gaelic, the fact is that most of these people are descended from Norwegian Vikings.

Most of their blood is from Insular Celtic Gealics(Scots) and Picts. In northern Scotland the Anglo Saxons never made a big impact and Vikings didn't either. Actually SW Norway and Iceland have a higher percentage of red hair than the rest of Norway and Sweden because they have a significant amount of British and Irish blood which came in the Viking age.


Redheads are rapidly dying out because of low birth (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#) rates, immigration, and intermarriage. For some strange reason, even sperm banks (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#), egg banks (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#), and embryo banks have found that customers don't want redheadbabies (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/#). What a pity!

I don't think red hair is dying out but I think it is becoming more rare because of globalization. Welsh(Breton) and Irish(Gealic) have probably barley mixed with each other in the last 2000-2500 years and they have the same percentage of red hair, meaning redheads reproduced at the same rate in both populations. Red hair is at 10-15% in Nova Scotia Canada and in the Appalachian region of the USA just like it is in Scotland, and they've been there for 200-300 years, proving redheads reproduced at the same rate in the new World as in the old World. Red hair is at a consistent 1-5% rate in west Europe, and probably has been reproducing at the same rate since the bronze age.

I know gingers(Most don't have the stero typical ghost-like pale skin, curly hair, and freckles though, which isn't always ugly (http://i.imgur.com/Ew5G7OL.jpg)) is usually considered unattractive(not always (https://www.google.com/search?q=redhead+girls&espv=2&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8L4EVLWxA4KeggTt34GwDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1365&bih=889&dpr=0.75)) but I don't see evidence that red hair is dying out because of that. Red hair actually probably rose many percentage points in Ural Russia over the last few thousand years at least, because all other Finno-Urgics except Udmurts(15% red hair) have 3%-under 1% red hair. At some point there must have been some type of red hair founder effect, and it was probably pretty recent.

Red hair is a western Eurasian phenomenon that exists all the way from the Tarim Basin and Pakistan-Ireland. Every where but Ural Russia and west Europe it is well under 1%. It probably rose from well under 1%(in many regions the people barely even know it exists) to the high percentages it is at in west Europe and was in central Asian Indo Europeans(Where it is and was very acknowledged) somewhere from 8,000-5,000YBP(very broad), meaning if anything red hair was favored and selected for by some people.

Immigration is defiantly an issue. ~1/2 British and Irish couples have an ~1/4 chance of a red haired kid, and if they mix with other peoples(especially non west Europeans) red hair percentages will go way way down, this has already happened in America It won't go extinct though. Red hair even exists in African Americans because of the small amount of British ancestry they have.

MOESAN
05-09-14, 17:24
I'm not sure the true sense of "red" (rufosity, erythrism) is well understood even nowaday with all our modern genetic knowledge: geneticians are not physical anthropologists, they have not the habit to work on the ground - how to compare the phenotypial result of a mutations when these phenotypes are not well determined?
I'm not sure but I think the loci where mutated genes are supposed responsible for red or reddish hues are not the same ones as the ones where mutated genes were found producing blond of very fair hair color -
I remain interrogative because for me, blond or brown or black can be combined with several degrees of rufosity, very more gradual I think, an this causes different hues -
contrary to FireHaired (I salute here) I find the pictures of these people very good "red" ones, only they seem on the black-and-white intensity of the light brown sort (NOT very-light-blondish brown, not blond)- I suppose what FireHaired considers as true "red" is the one corresponding to
maximum 'red' imput upon a quantity corresponding to 'middle-brown' or 'dark brown' (NOT 'very dark-brown we call 'brun clair' in french spite it is rather a "brownish black" - but we can have avery sort of hue bewteen the "NOT red ath all" and the "burning hairs"...
&: look at photos of red haired people, say people where this trait is evident enough without too much discussion, some photos in colou and someones in black an white: you could see the differences between them and aso the fact that some of them are not as light as you could have thought firstable...


the %s (13% for the Scots) given in popular press and science digests are far from being right - my maximum for a country encompassing 'red' to half-red' is not in Scotland (6,5%) but in Eire (7,5%) - Ulster has about 8,0% - the fact is that Scotland Highlands are supposed to have 11%
I found 8,5% upon a small enough number it is true - but OK, I beleve Highlanders have the maximum - But are they from the North of Scotland?: my ones were in West (N-Argyle) - Highland is a new region grouping Argyle + Caithness/Ross and Cromarty/Inverness counties, so a mix or Celtic regions and of Celtic-Scandinavian (Vikings) regions: i'm not sure the maximum is to be found among the more northrn parts (Vikings) - The Scandinavians have some regional spots of red hairs (more than 4%) in remote regions but as a whole are not so red haired - by the way, I say here that Swedish people (the original ones!) have more red haired people than indicated: I found 3% and scientists of the 1940 found 3,3%, with peakes at 4-5% (Central- South) the minimae in North (2%), it is to say MORE than Norway as a whole

that said we know more than one mutation and locus is involved in red hairs condition: I seem there are at least 1 so called "irish" or "celtic" mutation and a "scandinavian" one (the 2 most important) so the works based only upon one mutation cannot be linked to tightly to phenotypes statistical results! it is evident when we read different surveys saying contradictory stories... In BritainDNA they find the maximum in Wales, in other sites they find the maximum elsewhere (Ireland) so... wait for a complete work!
Edinburgh is surely NOT the place of maximum of "reddish mutations" in Scotland but surely Scotland could be the place where we 'll find the cumul o numerous "celtic" + "scandinavian" mutations

In France and so in Brittany, ethcnically a dead region, t)he red hairs are becoming rarer and rarer: as say FireHaired14 it is not a genetic drift but the result of crossings - since the 1880's Italians, Spaniards and Portugueses immigrated there, plus some Poles in North and other mining regions - the phenomenon is amplified these last years: it is no more a collective move but rather an indiviual continual osmose...I don't speak about NorthAfrican and Arab populations, nor of SubSaharian ones because i don't take them in the means (for a while!)

Theodorik
07-09-14, 01:51
Geneticists have identified the genes associated with red hair. But you don't know about it.
Red Hair Mutations and Hair Color

Allele

Phenotype




R151C


red hair, increased melanoma risk




R160W


red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk




D294H


red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk




R142H


red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk




D84E


red hair, increased melanoma risk




V60L


Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma risk




V92M


Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma risk




R163Q


Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma riskz
Liberals Lie About Red Hair Genes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2425154/Ginger-Gene-showed-50k-years-ago-colder-climates-say-scientists.html


The media is filled with "science" stories which are actually propaganda. These faulty stories cover many areas of science, including race, human origins, climate change, IQ, heredity, gender differences, medicine, sociology, psychology, and criminology.


Here is a "scientific study" claiming that red hair is mostly found in Southern Europe, and that it is caused by one gene, V6OL, which developed 50,000 years ago in African immigrants.


"'Getting to the root of the 'ginger gene': Scientists believe it showed up 50,000 years ago after humans left Africa for colder climates

'V6OL allele' gene made skin lighter as humans got less vitamin D from sun

Discovery made after study of gene evolution of 1,000 people from Spain
There are thought to be more than 20 million people in the UK and Ireland with genes that can cause red hair



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2425154/Ginger-Gene-showed-50k-years-ago-colder-climates-say-scientists.html#ixzz2fcHXxgYf
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But this is a lie.

In the first place, red hair is mostly found in northwestern Europe, not southern Europe.

In the second place, it is well known that most of the red hair in Spain came from Celtic and Germanic immigrants during ancient and prehistoric times.

In the third place, the V6OL gene is only one genes out of eight connected to red hair.


"V60L

Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma risk"





http://hubpages.com/hub/Redheads-The-Genetics-of-Hair-Color

In the fourth place," People with only one allele will have strawberry blond hair rather than bright red hair (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18366057). Some alleles, such as the V60L gene, result in reduced function of the MC1R gene (http://www.isfg.org/files/255d8b38d625f6dbca8eaa8fd7ab6b42ead81389.05016298_ 632245505126.pdf). As the gene is not completely inactivated, hair color may be auburn or reddish in tint rather than bright red."


And, in the fifth place, red hair mostly comes from Neanderthals, not African immigrants who mutated. http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/ancient-dna-and-neanderthals/neanderthal-genes-red-hair-and-more
"Neanderthal Genes for Red Hair and More...


Red-Headed Neanderthals"



Red Hair Mutations and Hair Color

Allele

Phenotype



R151C

red hair, increased melanoma risk



R160W

red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk



D294H

red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk



R142H

red hair, pale skin, increased melanoma risk



D84E

red hair, increased melanoma risk



V60L

Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma risk



V92M

Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma risk



R163Q

Weak red hair gene, increased melanoma riskz









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Red Hair Gene 200,000 Years OldThe red hair gene has been estimated to be 200,000 years old. This contradicts the "Out of Africa" theory that we are all descended from a recent emigration out of Africa, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago.
Here is the article indicating that Nordic pigmentation probably originated around 200,000 years ago:
Harding, R.M., Healy, E., Ray, A.J., Ellis, N.S., Flanagan, N., Todd, C., Dixon, C., Matthews, J.N.S., Sajantila, A., Jackson, I.J., Birch-Machin, M.A. and Rees, J.L. (2000) Evidence for differential selective pressures at the human pigmentation locus MC1R. American Journal of Human Genetics 66 1351-1361
This of course means that modern Europeans have some Neanderthal genes and contradicts the scenario in which dark Negroid Africans came to Europe 50,000 years ago and changed into fair-pigmented Caucasoids by 35,000 years ago. Incredibly, this is the prevailing dogma today on the science channels and among archaeologists and anthropologists. The Cro-Magnons of Russia, Czech Republic, and France of 35,000 BC are about as different from contemporary Africans as they could be. Yet they are said to have been recent emigrants from Africa.
What follows is a link which tries to fit a square peg into a round hole. It tries to reconcile the "Out of Africa" dogma with the evidence that modern racial and genetic variability has roots that go back hundreds of thousands of years in various parts of the world:
Evidence of Assimilation of Archaic Humans into Modern
Human Populations - Human Races Archives
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Here is a link about the "Red Hair" gene:
MRC HGU - Research - Ian J. Jackson
Address:
http://www.hgu.mrc.ac.uk/Research/Jackson/Molecular_dissection.html Changed:8:47 AM on Friday, October 25, 2002
Evidence from physical anthropology and archaeology very strongly contradicts the "Out of Africa" theory.
There is no evidence of any major migrations out of Africa in the last million years. Skulls and bones show local evolution on each continent.
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oreo_cookie
12-10-14, 20:41
Red hair has a very interesting geographic dispersion. It is highest in Scotland and the rest of the British Isles, as well as amongst some isolated Uralic people in Russia! But few and far between.