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This whole page is very informative. I only highlighted one specific area for our imposter hellene friends to see. One name on that list, Adamantios Korais, sticks out for me seeing as he is the creator of the false language known as Katharevousa.
Basically, Greeks (new and old) never thought the Macedonians were related to them, or part of their world.
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So the one man that created your national history (Paparrigopulos) thought that the ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation of their own. Well that is until he ran into Droysen who spoon fed him German "hellenism" and pretty much wrote your history from a German point of view. And look who wrote the piece. One of your own , Ioannis Koubourlis

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The nation and its ruins by Yannis Hamilakis page 112.

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Ummmm,,,, so the textbooks were even Westernised(Germanized) and had to be changed to fit the new "ideology"

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There had been a vast deal too much talk about the descendants of Leonidas and Themistocles, about the glories of Marathon and Thermopylae. The Greeks and their friends were too apt to leap back two thousand years and ignore all history between the fight of Chaeronea and the fight of Dragatshan.

The life and letters of Edward A. Freeman, D.C.L., LL. D. By William Richard Wood Stephens pages 190-192.
 
There is a difference between philhelenes of Greek Revolution and "modern" philhelenes.Those who took part in the Revolution spent everything even their life for their dream. These "the modern" are among the causes of economic crisis passes Greek economy, with their higher salaries, and promoting your government to do crazy and costly nationalist projects.
 
Keep up... Nice photos.

Hey Ike,why do not continued the discussion with me? We were very close to the truth.
 
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OH I SEE YOUR PROBLEM?

and I ask you? what is your answer to the dilema, How to name the new state?
Turks call us Rumlar in Turkey, Yunan in Greece,
Italians and the rest of Europe call us Greeks,

How we should name that new country?

New East
Roman Empire? Romania? Romylia? Greekania?

since the majority were Greeks at the first εθνοσυνελευσις (national council) we decide to name it Hellas.

now about the slavs?
there are mention 5 Slavic tribes which 'vanished' before 1000 AD, and nobody hear after them?

Melingoi
Ezeritai
Dragovitai
Belegezites
Sagudates

from them only Dragovitai and Sagudates manage to survive until WW2 and silently or violently exchanged with the Greeks of Monasterion Perlepe Strumnitsa.
the known case of Greek speaking in Fyrom, and Slavic speaking in Greek.
they were mostly from Edessa to Florina (Vodena to Lerin) and even today we speak about small populations,
the Greeks in Fyrom as estimated after were about 60-80 000, the Slavs in Greece about 40-60 000 yet numbers are estimations, due to violence from WW1 to WW2 and the roll of communists in civil war.

Melingoi stayed in the area which later Arberesh of Chora gather, Koroni/maniaki, Nobody hear them after after Makedonian Dynasty Byzantine rulers, perhaps they left, or assimilated,
Ezeritai the same,
Belegazites managed to pillage and enter thessaly, some churches have their marks in 8th century, since then no one hear them, no mark, nothing probably went back to join Dragovitai.


now to Arbanitai
there are mention 2 settlements of Arbanites in Greece,
the First is after the retreat of general Maniakis
from Italy who probably is the father of all Arbanites, and the revolt Anna komneni describes, a part of rabels went south to the area of Slavic melingoi and Koroni building Maniaki, later the times of admiral barbarosa moved to Chora sicily,
the second is the Arvanites of Theba which came under invitation of Latin ruler of Athens Duchy at about 1200 AD, they manage to expand even to Athens the 3 islands of Saronikos and Nayplion
no other Arbanites until the times of Ali Pasha, Sorry to dissapoint you.

now

learn some things about Greek revolt,

1) the roll of Filiki etaireia, is the main idea, money, officers, guns, diplomacy,
2) the revolts of Greeks, each captain was trained before, and had a foreign education,
Pappas trained in Vienna
Kolokotronis trained by British he had tittle of british army major
Olympitis trained by Serbian Karageorgevic
Ypsilantis trained by Russians tsar's flag liutenant
Δημητριος Ιπατρος trained by British
Zafeirakis trained by Ipatros
Katsantonis train by Κλεφτης Διπλας, the known killer of Ali pasha champion Veli-Geg-as, under the command of Kolokotronis and kapodistrias from 1807
Soyliotes ignore him and join the Moschow and trained by them, if you know Greek history
Anthimos Gazis or gazes, trained in Bavaria
papaflessas or Dikaios trained by British
kanaris from ψαρρα island
Michael Kokkinis from chios island trained as military engineer in Vienna and France, he organise the messologgi defence
the list is endless
even Karageorgis Petrovic of Serbia was member of Filiki
ok now I telling you my homeland,
Διαμαντης Νικολαου guess you never heard of him, but we clear Eyboia Sporades Fthiotis from Turks, the times when Androutsos was just a name with no action, Makedonian power (y)
kasomoulis Nik and his west makedonians at the army of karaiskakis makedonian power.

want more?


But lets see what happened to the Greek revolt?

Orlov's revolt, 1768/74
The Greeks revolt, especially in Peloponese, and crete, the revolt drought to blood, Turks won, but their bullies, the ALBANIANS as always ask for taxating peloponese,
the result is written in Books,
Kolokotronis which you want him an Albanian but sorry is not, mention in his memoires about that battle,

  • Θεόδωρος Κολοκοτρώνης, Διήγησις συμβάντων της Ελληνικής φυλής, 1846

NO ALBANIAN LEFT IN PELOPONESE AT 1774

now sing your songs about Fallmayer, i like you when you do it,

besides you always obey and were champions of Turks, the last who took freedom, and even at WW1 your identity was next to Turks, no matter Ismael kenan Vlore suggest you in his newspapper, you needed a century to gain a national ID, and now you claim all the word that is Albanian :LOL: and they did not know,


now more about the Greek revolt,

After orlov's revolt for first time we realize our power, and the trebling Ottoman empire,
so for years we organise it,

IS IT COINSIDENCE that in March 1821 we see

1 22/2 revolt In Romania Iasion By Ypsilantis
2 23/3 revolt in kalamata by Papaflessas (Dikaios)
3 23/3 revolt in kalabryta by the bishop Germanos
3 23/3 revolt in Thessaly by anthimos Gazis
4 23/3 revolt in Central makedonia, by Zafeirakis
5 23/3 revolt in East Makedonia By Pappas
6 23/3 many small revolt in West Makedonia and Epirus they follow the revolt till the Exodus of Messologgi, the first who exit and attack the Turk-Albanians were the 155 Makedonians from West Makedonia (kasomoulis)
7 23/3 the revolt in Parnassis by Panourgias

want more revolts same date?
simply when we fought Turks, you foughts for the Turks
 
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Why you changr discussion again? We are here to discuss about Alexander the Great or no? Wha do you think about my post?
 
You speak about english tutor, during your revolution. Let see:
The Life of Thomas, Lord Cochrane, Tenth Earl of Dundonald, G.C.B., Admiral of the Red, Rear-Admiral of the Fleet

At length, in 1820, there was an open rupture. Ali was denounced as a traitor, and ordered to surrender his pashalik. Instead of so doing, he organized his army for prompt rebellion, trusting for success partly to the support of the Greeks. Most of the Greeks held aloof; but the Suliots, a race of Christian marauders, the fiercest of the fierce community of Albanians, sided with him, and for more than a year rendered him valuable aid by reason of their hereditary skill in lawless warfare. Not till January, 1822, was Ali forced to surrender, and then only, perhaps, through the defection of the Suliots.

The Suliots, dissatisfied with Ali's recompense for their services, had gone over to the Greeks, who, not caring to serve under Ali in his
rebellion, had welcomed that rebellion as a Heaven-sent opportunity
for realising their long-cherished hopes.

"Phanariots and doctors in medicine," says an eye-witness, "who, in the month of April, 1824, were clad in ragged coats, and who lived on scanty rations, threw off that patriotic chrysalis before summer was past, and emerged in all the splendour of brigand life, fluttering about in rich Albanian habiliments, refulgent with brilliant and unused arms, and followed by diminutive pipe-bearers and tall henchmen."

The result was altogether disheartening to the Greeks. They saw that their condition was indeed desperate. George Konduriottes, a Hydriot merchant, an Albanian who could not speak Greek, and who was alike unable to govern himself or others, had, in June, 1824, been named president of the republic, and since then the rival interests of the primates, the priests, and the military leaders had been steadily causing the decay of all that was left of patriotism and increase of the selfishness that had so long been rampant.

An overwhelming power was thus organized during the last weeks of 1825, and the defenders of Missolonghi were left to succumb to it, almost unaided. Their previous successes had induced the Greeks of other districts to believe that they could continue their defence alone..............As far as their vision stretched over the waves they beheld only Turkish flags. The plain was studded with Mussulman tents and standards; and the gradual appearance of new batteries more skilfully disposed, the field days of the Arabs, and the noise of saws and hammers, gave fearful warning. Yet these gallant Acarnanians, Etolians, and Epirots never flinched for an instant." On the 13th of January, Ibrahim Pasha sent to say that he was willing to treat with them for an honourable surrender if they would convey their terms by deputies who could speak Albanian, Turkish, and French. "We are illiterate, and do not understand so many languages," was their blunt reply; "pashas we do not recognize; but we know how to handle the sword and gun."

Hold a second here. What, no deputies among the defenders of Missolonghi in this 'Greek' war of independence could speak Greek? Just Albanian? Clearly they aren't even conversant in Turkish or hardly so, French being out of the question. Ibrahim Pasha 's aim was to have somebody that could be understood by all, rebels (Albanian), rulers (Turkish) and foreigners (French).
 
What`s happened with you my friend? Your first president and vice president were two ignorant albanian? Your national dress fustanella is an albanian dress? Your national hero Kolokotronis is an albanian bandit? All your heroes were albanian and mostly of them bodyguard of an albanian pasha, Ali pasha? Lets make an test with you.In this long list of president and prime minister of Greece, who always declared proud albanian i will chose..........this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonios_Kriezis
Can you translate his surname KRIEZIS pls? It`s your prime minister you know the etimology of his name, right?
 
And when speak with me use some references to convince us, your thoughts are not as a result of sedatives you receive.
You are burned from the word Adamantios Korais, right?
 
Oh i forget Yannis Koletis, prime minister of Greece, the ideator of Megalidea. I will use for him an modern term. Koletis was the doctor of Ali Pasha, and he dealt with the analysis of urine of the old Pasha. OK?
Turn to the discussion about Alexander the Great if you can hold this.
 
Mr. Finlay replied on June 37 to Freeman's first letter, and wrote twice to him again at considerable length in the course of the summer and autumn. For the information which Freeman was seeking he referred him to some of his own pamphlets and articles in Black-woods Magazine, published during the last twenty years, some of which had been translated in the Revue Britannique, and had therefore excited some interest in Greece, and elsewhere on the Continent. He expressed entire agreement with the general principles laid down in Freeman's letter, but he took a very gloomy view of the present condition and immediate prospects of Greece. He admitted that independence was a great gain, and worth a hundred years of revolution, but the condition of the country was still lamentable. 'We have had,' he says, ' a European monarchy for more than twenty-two years, and a representative government for twelve, yet not a single elementary measure has been proposed to secure the increase and improvement of the agricultural population.' He was doing his best to persuade the people to improve their own condition, for he had lost all hope of help from protecting powers, kings, diplomatists, and representative chambers. Meanwhile, brigandage prevailed in all parts of the country, and was accompanied with acts of the most revolting cruelty, which the government took no vigorous measures to suppress. Freeman's article in the Edinburgh Review for April, 1856, contains a clear and concise sketch of the history of the modern Greek nation as distinguished from the purely Hellenic race of classical antiquity, of the war of independence, and the subsequent condition of the country down to the time at which he was writing. But he first of all deals with the pretext for withholding sympathy from the modern Greeks, which alleged that they were mere impostors and not Greeks at all. Such an objection, absurd though it was, might be regarded as a natural retribution for resting the cause of Greek independence, as some persons did, upon grounds which were too narrow. There had been a vast deal too much talk about the descendants of Leonidas and Themistocles, about the glories of Marathon and Thermopylae. The Greeks and their friends were too apt to leap back two thousand years and ignore all history between the fight of Chaeronea(1) and the fight of Dragatshan(2). They were too apt also to isolate the cause of the Greek from the general cause of subject nations. The real grounds for sympathy with the Greeks

(1) The decisive victory of Philip of Macedon over the Athenians and their allies, B.C. 338.

(2) The first great decisive victory of the Greeks over the Turks in the Revolution of A.d. 1821.


were, that they were an oppressed people rising against their oppressors, and a Christian people, oppressed as Christians, rising against infidel oppressors. The immortal associations of old Greece, the identity of language and, in many respects of character, between its ancient and its modern inhabitants, added, of course, a peculiar charm which could not attach to any other land or any other struggle: but the real merit of the Greek cause—the cause of religion, liberty, and civilization—must not be overshadowed by past associations, however glorious. As to purity of race, if no one but a genuine Hellene could claim our sympathy, and if no one was to be admitted as a genuine Hellene who could not produce a pure Dorian or Ionian pedigree, the cause might as well be given up at once. The modern Greeks were a very mixed race: but not more mixed than the modern English. If Macedonian, Slavonian, Albanian, Wallachian, Frankish, and even Turkish blood were mingled with the pure stock of the old Hellene, so was that of the old Anglo-Saxon mixed up with the blood of every race which he conquered and of every race which conquered him, as well as with that of every people whom commerce or persecution had led to settle in our island.

The life and letters of Edward A. Freeman, D.C.L., LL. D. By William Richard Wood Stephens pages 190-192.
 
OH I SEE YOUR PROBLEM?

and I ask you? what is your answer to the dilema, How to name the new state?
Turks call us Rumlar in Turkey, Yunan in Greece,
Italians and the rest of Europe call us Greeks,

How we should name that new country?

New East
Roman Empire? Romania? Romylia? Greekania?

since the majority were Greeks at the first εθνοσυνελευσις (national council) we decide to name it Hellas.

now about the slavs?
there are mention 5 Slavic tribes which 'vanished' before 1000 AD, and nobody hear after them?

Melingoi
Ezeritai
Dragovitai
Belegezites
Sagudates

from them only Dragovitai and Sagudates manage to survive until WW2 and silently or violently exchanged with the Greeks of Monasterion Perlepe Strumnitsa.
the known case of Greek speaking in Fyrom, and Slavic speaking in Greek.
they were mostly from Edessa to Florina (Vodena to Lerin) and even today we speak about small populations,
the Greeks in Fyrom as estimated after were about 60-80 000, the Slavs in Greece about 40-60 000 yet numbers are estimations, due to violence from WW1 to WW2 and the roll of communists in civil war.

Melingoi stayed in the area which later Arberesh of Chora gather, Koroni/maniaki, Nobody hear them after after Makedonian Dynasty Byzantine rulers, perhaps they left, or assimilated,
Ezeritai the same,
Belegazites managed to pillage and enter thessaly, some churches have their marks in 8th century, since then no one hear them, no mark, nothing probably went back to join Dragovitai.


now to Arbanitai
there are mention 2 settlements of Arbanites in Greece,
the First is after the retreat of general Maniakis
from Italy who probably is the father of all Arbanites, and the revolt Anna komneni describes, a part of rabels went south to the area of Slavic melingoi and Koroni building Maniaki, later the times of admiral barbarosa moved to Chora sicily,
the second is the Arvanites of Theba which came under invitation of Latin ruler of Athens Duchy at about 1200 AD, they manage to expand even to Athens the 3 islands of Saronikos and Nayplion
no other Arbanites until the times of Ali Pasha, Sorry to dissapoint you.

now

learn some things about Greek revolt,

1) the roll of Filiki etaireia, is the main idea, money, officers, guns, diplomacy,
2) the revolts of Greeks, each captain was trained before, and had a foreign education,
Pappas trained in Vienna
Kolokotronis trained by British he had tittle of british army major
Olympitis trained by Serbian Karageorgevic
Ypsilantis trained by Russians tsar's flag liutenant
Δημητριος Ιπατρος trained by British
Zafeirakis trained by Ipatros
Katsantonis train by Κλεφτης Διπλας, the known killer of Ali pasha champion Veli-Geg-as, under the command of Kolokotronis and kapodistrias from 1807
Soyliotes ignore him and join the Moschow and trained by them, if you know Greek history
Anthimos Gazis or gazes, trained in Bavaria
papaflessas or Dikaios trained by British
kanaris from ψαρρα island
Michael Kokkinis from chios island trained as military engineer in Vienna and France, he organise the messologgi defence
the list is endless
even Karageorgis Petrovic of Serbia was member of Filiki
ok now I telling you my homeland,
Διαμαντης Νικολαου guess you never heard of him, but we clear Eyboia Sporades Fthiotis from Turks, the times when Androutsos was just a name with no action, Makedonian power (y)
kasomoulis Nik and his west makedonians at the army of karaiskakis makedonian power.

want more?


But lets see what happened to the Greek revolt?

Orlov's revolt, 1768/74
The Greeks revolt, especially in Peloponese, and crete, the revolt drought to blood, Turks won, but their bullies, the ALBANIANS as always ask for taxating peloponese,
the result is written in Books,
Kolokotronis which you want him an Albanian but sorry is not, mention in his memoires about that battle,

  • Θεόδωρος Κολοκοτρώνης, Διήγησις συμβάντων της Ελληνικής φυλής, 1846

NO ALBANIAN LEFT IN PELOPONESE AT 1774

now sing your songs about Fallmayer, i like you when you do it,

besides you always obey and were champions of Turks, the last who took freedom, and even at WW1 your identity was next to Turks, no matter Ismael kenan Vlore suggest you in his newspapper, you needed a century to gain a national ID, and now you claim all the word that is Albanian :LOL: and they did not know,


now more about the Greek revolt,

After orlov's revolt for first time we realize our power, and the trebling Ottoman empire,
so for years we organise it,

IS IT COINSIDENCE that in March 1821 we see

1 22/2 revolt In Romania Iasion By Ypsilantis
2 23/3 revolt in kalamata by Papaflessas (Dikaios)
3 23/3 revolt in kalabryta by the bishop Germanos
3 23/3 revolt in Thessaly by anthimos Gazis
4 23/3 revolt in Central makedonia, by Zafeirakis
5 23/3 revolt in East Makedonia By Pappas
6 23/3 many small revolt in West Makedonia and Epirus they follow the revolt till the Exodus of Messologgi, the first who exit and attack the Turk-Albanians were the 155 Makedonians from West Makedonia (kasomoulis)
7 23/3 the revolt in Parnassis by Panourgias

want more revolts same date?

simply when we fought Turks, you foughts for the Turks



PS
don't call me friend, you are nothing more than Ottomans pets
 
@ king Bardyll
Sorry to dissapoint you

but the Altaic component in Greeks is almost Zero
while in Albania is 14%,
search the sons of Turks in your country

your mtDNA is >60% slavic
search the sons of Slavs in your country

But we were here unDer East Roman empire, and we spoke our language, and we eliminate all intruders, especially the Turks and their pets Turk-Albans, who prefer the Ottomans instead their liberty

you see the French revolt inspired us all, and we rebuild a modern homeland and state,
and not only us, Serbs also, Bulgarians also, etc etc even Israel manage to make a new country milleniums after Massanta
but you? when all balkans revolt against Ottomans, you bend over sultans and serve their askers (armies)
why? cause the turk soul is still live among you inside you, no matter kenan Vlore wanted to pull him out of your souls.
 
Now this is not the place to discuss about albanian, greeks and ottoman, but this is typical yours,avoids discussion.
This turn us to this questions that i made in another discussion that you did`nt answer:




And don`t forget you have to answer to my questions:
I insist :

"I want to make some questions:
Who brought the Turks in the Balkans and against whom?
In the battle of Kosovo, was an anti-Ottoman Balkan coalition why had not the Greek?
During the 100 years war was made ​​by Albanians against the Turks from Ulcinj to Peloponnese, including the 25 years of resistance led by Skanderbeg, where were the Greeks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanderbeg
However, during an ambush in the same battle, Ballaban managed to capture some important Albanian noblemen, including Moisi Arianit Golemi, a cavalry commander, Vladan Gjurica, the chief army quartermaster, Muzaka of Angelina, a nephew of Skanderbeg, and 18 other officers.[106] These men were sent immediately to Constantinople where they were skinned alive for fifteen days and later cut to pieces and thrown to the dogs.[106] Skanderbeg's pleas to have these men back, by either ransom or prisoner exchange, failed.[106]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gennadius_Scholarius
Mehmed therefore sought the most anti-Western cleric he could find as a figure of unity for the Greeks under Turkish rule – and Gennadius as leading anti-Union figure was a natural choice. On 1 June 1453, just three days after the fall of the city, the new Patriarch's procession passed through the streets where Mehmed received Gennadius graciously and himself invested him with the signs of his office – the crosier (dikanikion) and mantle. This ceremonial investiture would be repeated by all Sultans and Patriarchs thereafter.
And finally after you failed to tell me the name of a Greek hero, can you tell me a Greek uprising against the Turks during 400 years invasion? I am very curios. If you call uprising to fill Turkish harems with Christian girls, ok".


Are Maniotes albanian descendance?
Stradiotis were albanian ore romei?
Thomas of Argos was albanian or Romei?
You like to speak about language, do you see any link betwen albanian language and Tsakonian dialect?

And do not hide behind Arvanites.

The problem of the sultan in the early nineteenth century were Albanian pashas, and the albanians in general. But this is an another discussion, turb to the real discussion , the word of Koraios and Paparigopulos who did not accept the connection with the Macedonians.
 
@ King Bardyll

The Greeks and Slavs were with Skanderberg,
the ALbanians were with Vallavan pasha.
 
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This whole page is very informative. I only highlighted one specific area for our imposter hellene friends to see. One name on that list, Adamantios Korais, sticks out for me seeing as he is the creator of the false language known as Katharevousa.
Basically, Greeks (new and old) never thought the Macedonians were related to them, or part of their world.


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So the one man that created your national history (Paparrigopulos) thought that the ancient Macedonians were a distinct nation of their own. Well that is until he ran into Droysen who spoon fed him German "hellenism" and pretty much wrote your history from a German point of view. And look who wrote the piece. One of your own , Ioannis Koubourlis

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The nation and its ruins by Yannis Hamilakis page 112.



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Ummmm,,,, so the textbooks were even Westernised(Germanized) and had to be changed to fit the new "ideology"



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If the connection betwen "modern Greeks" with the ancient Greeks is dedicated to an ​​greek fascist as General Ioannis Metaxas, The conenection with ancient macedonian is to dedicated to Regime of the Colonels .





In the previous posting I showed the opinion of the fathers of philosophical and historycal thought of Greece.

Let's continue:

The new bump of the day with a little kick:
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This is a supposed "greek-macedonian(?)" from the 19th century and his geography:
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and this is the footnote with additional neo-hellenes of the 19th century who had exempted Epirus and Macedonia from their geography of "Hellas".
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http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Hellenism/Usesofthepast.jpg
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There had been a vast deal too much talk about the descendants of Leonidas and Themistocles, about the glories of Marathon and Thermopylae. The Greeks and their friends were too apt to leap back two thousand years and ignore all history between the fight of Chaeronea and the fight of Dragatshan.
The greeks of today don't have any link to their ancient past & it's an invented myth that they do.The modern greeks used it like a crutch to lie to other countries hey look at us we are greek alexander was greek.This would be an oversimplification.
This one is really really good boys and girls. My favorite:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantios_Korais mentions a seperate ancient Macedonian language which is not 'greek':
http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx190/TM2_album/Hellenism/OlgaAugustinos.jpg
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A question for you Yetos:who should we believe


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantios_Korais,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_Paparrigopoulos
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Metaxas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_military_junta_of_1967–74
?
 
PS
the books you read blind you so much, that you can not distinguish the moon from the sun,
close one day the 'propaganda radio' and search your shelf, live your life, and not the life of others,
if you read books from 1825 and do not compare it with moderns then you live at 1825

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You are speaking about this persons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantios_Korais,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constan...aparrigopoulos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandros_Soutsos
George Kozakis-Typaldos
Panagiotis Kordikas
Iakovos Rizos Neroulos ?
 
PFFFFFF

are you quoting my answers to another person, and another subject, just to promote your trash Turk?
You consider the opinion of the most important personality of your country, turk trash ?
I don't agree with you ,those man had a big contribution in the creation of your nation, so are respected persons.
The difference between you and me is that i like to read books especially about history , it's my prefered.
Even you have a strong memory ,you remember very well what told you, your 60 years old teacher about history when you was 10 years old. But this is not the right place for your personal memories. I am here to speak about history using greek and indipendent sources. I can use albanian sources, we have good scholars and we respect them, we don't consider them TRASH. But i like to challenge my self, my intelligence not you.
 

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