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Well, since the academics say over and over again that the ancient samples we have cluster with modern day Sardinians, I suppose they're a good candidate.
Or we can go with EEF levels:
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We don't have the genome of an early farmer in the Near East. The closest we have is Stuttgart. Plus, we don't know yet where the various elements came together to form EEF. For all we know, it could have all happened in the Near East.
One can only answer questions based on the currently available data.
Thanks for your replies folks, but they lead me to one more question... What is basal eurasian? Pardon my ignorance...
Alright, but from what I know one of the components that make up EEF is a Mesolithic component that is WHG like, please correct me if I'm wrong though.
Ed. Could a moderator please remove this? It's a double post. Thanks.
I don't see how any of that changes the answer to the question, but...
Lazaridis et al found that this model is the best fit for the evidence we have so far:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YbYK8NzQNAY/UrihRsR5eSI/AAAAAAAAJbo/TYynaV4cO4Y/s1600/model.png
As you can see, EEF is estimated to possess 44% plus or minus 10% "Basal Eurasian". The rest is from the "West Eurasian" branch from which WHG also stemmed. So the additional lineage or lineages would be related to WHG.
Some admixture might and probably did take place in Europe, (10-20%?) but the farmers in the Near East would have already been an admixture of "Basal Eurasian" and some Unknown Hunter Gatherers from the same ancient branch of humanity as the WHGs of Europe. (Mind, the Basal Eurasians would also have been hunter gatherers. People seem to have trouble keeping in mind that everyone was once a hunter-gatherer. We don't know if the "Basal Eurasians" alone developed farming. I would doubt it; I think they are much too old for that. So, the inventors of farming and animal husbandry, upon which all of the remainder of our history is built, would have most likely been an admixture of "Basal Eurasian" HG and "West Eurasian" HG.)
This is all discussed in the supplement starting on page 59.
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2013/12/23/001552.DC1/001552-3.pdf
As we get more ancient genomes, I'm sure that their models will change. That's one of the hallmarks of this group.
This is a link to the 2013 preprint which contains a link to the Supplement where the meat of the analysis can be found. The published 2014 version is behind a paywall.
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2013/12/23/001552.figures-only
For discussions of Basal Eurasian, just use the search engine here.
Here is one thread where it was extensively discussed...
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...esent-day-Europeans?highlight=Basal+Eurasians
If you read the supplement carefully, you'll see that Lazaridis tried to use far southern Bedouins as the reference population, but the problem is that they are recently SSA admixed, so it wasn't really satisfactory.
I think we're really just going to have to wait for some more ancient genomes. Problem is, the warmer the climate the less likely they survive.
Thank you. I found something on facebook, a DNA tribes pdf about the Basal Eurasians, it seems pretty goodYou can read the paper that discusses the concept at David Reich's Harvard genetics website. I'd give you the link, except that I'm having trouble with my new computer. But just search under David Reich.
EEF is estimated to have 44% Basal,plus or minus 10%.
As for Martin at DnaTribes that's just one speculation among many. It could all be shifted northward, and they could have been in Arabia all that time. The poster "Parasar" at Anthrogenica even holds out for a southeastern European refuge, although he's decidedly in the minority.
Far wiser to stick with Lazaridis, imo, and just say we don't know yet.
Even the details of the exodus from Africa posited by Dna Tribes are not universally accepted.
See: http://www.dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/09/an-archaeological-scenario-for-out-of.html
I personally take all the DnaTribes analyses with a lot of salt,forget a grain. Look at the hash he made with that first STR based ancestry tool. I am probably the only user for whom it actually worked.
As to where recent papers can be found, Dienekes still posts the ones that particularly interest him, but not as many as he used to do, and he no longer provides commentary.(The authors would sometimes get into the discussions as well, which was wonderful.) I know some schools and educators that were using it as a guide. It's a great pity it's so inactive.
Some are also posted at Anthrogenica, but it's such a confusing site to use...
Of course, you could always be a complete nerd like me and get news feeds about archaeology, genetics, psychology papers etc.
Oh, it's 44% Basal Eurasian plus/minus 10%, pardon me. LOL, assuming I want to be a complete nerd, how will I start getting news feeds about archaeology, genetics etc?
Well, there's Science Daily, for example, which provides a daily feed, or The National Geographic organization, or the Council of British Archaeology, or the one on Biblical Archaeology, or if you want it in audio, there's the Archaeology Channel. That's a good one, because you can listen as you do more mundane things. That's just for a start. Just google news feeds with your area of interest and things should pop up.
Then you can follow certain people on twitter, although I don't do that much, as it makes me feel like a stalker!
The problem is not access; the problem is the time to read and understand the papers. Then there's literature, and film and music, and most important, of course, family and friends. Then there's the little things like work, and cleaning and cooking and eating etc...It helps if you can multi-task...it also helps if you don't sleep much. :grin:
Basal Eurasian peaks among Arabs. Israeli Beduins from the HGDP panel score 90% ENF and 10% East African.
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