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the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians

compare phoenician alphabet from which european alphabet is derived to nordic runes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg7SjUKdM_U/TlwSfk2NUdI/AAAAAAAAGag/7dNK3h883QE/s400/phoenician-runes.jpg

phoenician longboat vs norman longboat
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aXjKcXxCo...AAGa4/cEFCjyhU-8U/s400/normans-phoenician.jpg

Haplogroup I, which grew out of the broader haplotype IJ. In this sense, the closest to haplogroup I is the J haplogroup.
 
the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians

compare phoenician alphabet from which european alphabet is derived to nordic runes
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Jg7SjUKdM_U/TlwSfk2NUdI/AAAAAAAAGag/7dNK3h883QE/s400/phoenician-runes.jpg

phoenician longboat vs norman longboat
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aXjKcXxCo...AAGa4/cEFCjyhU-8U/s400/normans-phoenician.jpg

Haplogroup I, which grew out of the broader haplotype IJ. In this sense, the closest to haplogroup I is the J haplogroup.

I and J have split from mother clad IJ about 35 thousands years ago. Do you think Phoenicians existed in paleolithic?


I'm going to give you a ridiculous example by using your logic of quick assumptions.
This is Russia car Wolga 1975
240px-GAZ-24_%22Volga%22_in_Estonia.jpg


And this is American Ford Falcon 1968
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Do you think Americans are forefathers of Russians? Afterall they are related through hg R1.
 
I and J have split from mother clad IJ about 35 thousands years ago. Do you think Phoenicians existed in paleolithic?


I'm going to give you a ridiculous example by using your logic of quick assumptions.
This is Russia car Wolga 1975
240px-GAZ-24_%22Volga%22_in_Estonia.jpg


And this is American Ford Falcon 1968
images


Do you think Americans are forefathers of Russians? Afterall they are related through hg R1.
More on Phoenicians in Scandinavia
The Scandinavian Bronze Age started very suddenly about 1800 BC (it is claimed?? Brit-Am would place it about 900 years later) with a very high culture and the artifacts deteriorated in quality over the centuries. The earlier artifacts are almost identical with similar finds from the Phoenician and the pre-hellenic or Achaean culture in Greek Mycaene. This is interpreted as the Phoenicians established trading colonies in Scandinavia and introducing their culture and gods. The god Baal (later in Scandinavian mythology known as Balder) would have been introduced at that time.
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html
 
Where is the proof of relation Vikings to phoenicians? I suggest you use the strict sciences instead of your eyes. Genetic or linguistic proof will be fine. And genetic means DNA sequencing, and not posting pictures of phoenicians and vikings.
as we all know haplogroup J is closely related to haplogroup I (viking dna) so ther must have been a northward migration of haplogroup J from which the haplogroup I came into being

ancient phoenicians have identical runic alphabet and they worshiped BAAL the horned god coincidentally the vikings had same type of ships and horned helmets and worshipped BALdur
 
the viking germanic haplogroup I has its roots in the haplogroup J of the ancient phoenicians

The two have nothing in common. One of the pitfalls of using alphabet for nomenclature. You immediately assume they are close because they are adjacent in the alphabet. You forget the most important variable - time.
 
as we all know haplogroup J is closely related to haplogroup I (viking dna) so ther must have been a northward migration of haplogroup J from which the haplogroup I came into being

ancient phoenicians have identical runic alphabet and they worshiped BAAL the horned god coincidentally the vikings had same type of ships and horned helmets and worshipped BALdur
Actually the Vikings had no horned helmets, that was invented in the 19th century, and as it has been pointed out, J and I split tens of thousands of years ago, long before the Phoenicians or the vikings and deep into pre history. As for the Phoenician alphabet, it has influenced both Latin (and therefore west European) and Greek (therefore east European) alphabets.
 
"haplogroup I (viking dna)"

Hmm...

Let's also not forget that while the Vikings were Norse not all Norsemen were Vikings, being a Viking was usually something that one had to do because he didn't inherit anything.
 
Let's also not forget that while the Vikings were Norse not all Norsemen were Vikings, being a Viking was usually something that one had to do because he didn't inherit anything.
without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..
 
without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..
They may have traded there, and influenced the Scandinavian alphabet (via influencing the Greek and Latin ones), but there's no evidence of a huge genetic or cultural contribution. Genetic evidence may only be found or not found via ancient DNA analysis of Phoenician and Viking skeletons.
 
strange coincidences hmm..

coat of arms beirut(ancient phoenicians):
beirut.jpg

britain, vikings and usa(maritime law):
phoenicians.jpg
 
without doubt the phoenicians were in scandinavia and britain and left a strong cultural influence there, do some research on it..

Since the matter is "without doubt", you should be able to point us to books and research papers about Phoenicians in Scandinavia and Britain, books and research papers written by professors at major universities.
 
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http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news304_anthems.html

who do you think runs "major universities"?! omg.. those who want you to know how true history looks like?!, if you believe this then you are naive, try to do your own research..

vikings and phoenicians both share the same ancestors(haplogroup IJ)

http://www.10452lccc.com/leb history/phoenicians8.12.07.pdf

Thanks. I think you've given me sufficient information to allow me to form an opinion about your views.
 
Thanks. I think you've given me sufficient information to allow me to form an opinion about your views.
whatever your opinion has formed into, it still remains subjective and shaped by your own expectations/perceptions

what is so hard to understand or what seems so illogical to you?!

i proved to you the scandinavians and phoenicians both share the haplogroup IJ
i showed you the very similar runic alphabets of vikings and phoenicians
i showed you the similar ship design of both folks
i showed you the exact similarity between the british(gerat britain was founded by nordic vikings) navy flag and the viking flag and the lebanese beirut coat of arms(ancient phoenicia)
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

what else do you need as proof they both share the same ancestry?
 
whatever your opinion has formed into, it still remains subjective and shaped by your own expectations/perceptions

what is so hard to understand or what seems so illogical to you?!

i proved to you the scandinavians and phoenicians both share the haplogroup IJ
i showed you the very similar runic alphabets of vikings and phoenicians
i showed you the similar ship design of both folks
i showed you the exact similarity between the british(gerat britain was founded by nordic vikings) navy flag and the viking flag and the lebanese beirut coat of arms(ancient phoenicia)
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

what else do you need as proof they both share the same ancestry?
This is precious, lol.
Even if we assume that Vikings major haplogroup was I and phoenicians J, which is speculative due to lack of genetic research of both groups, their common IJ ancestor lived 35 thousand years ago! There was no alphabets, there were no big boats, there were no Vikings, there was no Phoenician culture. How could Vikings adopt something as old as 35k years ago, if all of this didn't exist!!!???

I think you have some spatial impairment. You don't grasp how long 35K years is, and you jump from India to Ireland like to the next door neighbor, without slightest explanation, or even consideration for the stuff in between.
 
This is probably the relationship between vikings and phoenicians

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080624-arab-dane.html

So, what was the "Arab" haplotype? Some kind of mtDNA common in the Middle East, apparently, but is it in fact unknown in Europe or just a minority lineage? The person could have been a German with a haplotype that's more common in the Middle East than Europe. Look at all the people thinking Hitler must have been part Jewish just because his Y haplotype was E1b1b. A similar situation, perhaps.
 
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