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Mars
26-12-14, 15:35
As the title states. Where does she pass? I recently discovered all of her grandparents are from Liguria (North West Italy). She's a friend of mine. Height around 1.72/1.73 m tall.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/25875_1430292440521_4677388_n.jpg?oh=6e40475a0a47d e1fe06724d85257492d&oe=5537B8FC&__gda__=1430564354_b021421e4af2d82c8f2eaf9dc4d206d 7
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Sile
26-12-14, 17:32
As the title states. Where does she pass? I recently discovered all of her grandparents are from Liguria (North West Italy). She's a friend of mine. Height around 1.72/1.73 m tall.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/25875_1430292440521_4677388_n.jpg?oh=6e40475a0a47d e1fe06724d85257492d&oe=5537B8FC&__gda__=1430564354_b021421e4af2d82c8f2eaf9dc4d206d 7
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https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/r270/1379351_10202054258421208_206623938_n.jpg?oh=62e33 6ab7efc360db2fb43b4ee6f84ee&oe=55354BF8

all southern french and italian riviera - pre garibaldi ( monaco, nice, menton etc when under ligurian pre 1860 influence)

Mars
27-12-14, 21:51
Thanks Sile. Anyone else?

Angela
27-12-14, 22:24
I would say France as well.

Angela
28-12-14, 17:43
As the title states. Where does she pass? I recently discovered all of her grandparents are from Liguria (North West Italy). She's a friend of mine. Height around 1.72/1.73 m tall.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/25875_1430292440521_4677388_n.jpg?oh=6e40475a0a47d e1fe06724d85257492d&oe=5537B8FC&__gda__=1430564354_b021421e4af2d82c8f2eaf9dc4d206d 7
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/p417x417/538521_3636470713599_211522759_n.jpg?oh=0e6ff74ae9 da050161e1d848cabddbf4&oe=55375AB8&__gda__=1429029580_2eacd2fda7b8d8e7bdfb3c1c6cd9c31 b
https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/r270/1379351_10202054258421208_206623938_n.jpg?oh=62e33 6ab7efc360db2fb43b4ee6f84ee&oe=55354BF8

I just saw the film "Unbroken" yesterday, about Louis Zamperini, another person of generally northern Italian ancestry, although in this case an Italian-American who was, at various points in his life an Olympian, a gunner in the Pacific theater during World War II, a prisoner of war of the Japanese, and later an inspirational speaker. I would also have a difficult time placing him very far from northern Italy. Perhaps the only exceptions might be some places in the Balkans or southeastern France?
http://westsidetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Louie-Olypian.jpg

http://ak-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/ns/photos/171593584.jpgx?w=466&h=406&option=0&fc=F0F0F0

http://masguau.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Angelina-Jolie-y-Louis-Zamperini-en-Unbroken-MG.jpg

Aberdeen
28-12-14, 18:17
To me, he looks sort of like a relative of General Franco. Scary thought.

Ike
28-12-14, 22:25
Area: Central-East Bosnia, SW Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo.

Mars
29-12-14, 12:01
Area: Central-East Bosnia, SW Serbia, Montenegro, Kosovo.
The girl or the guy?

Ike
29-12-14, 15:58
The girl you posted in first post, photo 2 and 3. Fist one was not conclusive for me.


The guy could be indeed placed in Dalmatia (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wtc3hoQ-Rxs/Um_YVWk_UFI/AAAAAAAAJyI/ZcFaoQjn6Gg/s640/Dalmacija_1.gif).

Angela
29-12-14, 18:05
To me, he looks sort of like a relative of General Franco. Scary thought.

I don't think a Franco type character would go to Japan after the war to seek reconciliation after having been brutalized and tortured in a Japanese prisoner of war camp, so looks can be deceiving. :smile:

I actually don't think they look very much alike, especially not when they were younger. There's more of a resemblance when Franco gets very old, I think, and there are some bones finally showing. Before that he looks sort of "podgy" to me. (How's that for a forensic anthropology description? :grin:) He also has a different mouth, nose, and even more different eyes, so large and dark...the pigmentation is darker all around, in fact.

Sometimes I think all old people start to look alike.

http://a4.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE5NDg0MDU0OTY4NzYzOTE5.jpg



http://www.celebritytypes.com/files2/francisco-franco2.jpg

I do think that there is some overlap between some Italians and some Spaniards. I don't know why they don't come to my mind all that often when the question arises in these kinds of games about where some people can pass. Probably it's because I go to France so often, and we have so many Balkan immigrants in Italy that those comparisons occur to me more frequently.

For example, of the two I think Miguel Catalan looks more like Zamperini


http://www.andycot.com/uploads/thumb/000/000/010/800_600_866.jpg

Actually, from certain angles, I think Zamperini has a bit of a look of Tyrone Power, although Power was darker and much handsomer, of course.

Zamperini:
http://ak-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/ns/photos/171593584.jpgx?w=466&h=406&option=0&fc=F0F0F0
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site204/2011/0907/20110907__PN08ZAMPERINI1_200.jpg

Power:
http://i500.listal.com/image/5296442/600full.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0c/48/74/0c4874af863a44641e138ab71f8c6b04.jpg

Angela
29-12-14, 18:35
To get back on track...on reflection, I could see the young woman passing in parts of Spain as well. As I mentioned in my prior post, I don't think of those resemblances immediately for northern Italians, but I think it's just a function of the people I see more frequently. When I think back on the time I spent in Spain as a student, I do recall thinking that the Catalans and other people I saw in northern Spain, and the Basques over all didn't look all that different from the people among whom I grew up in northwestern Italy.

Just because I had a moment, I googled Basque women, and I think a good number of them would "fit" amongst us.
(Be aware that as in all such google searches, there are pictures that don't belong there...you have to check the individual pictures.)

https://www.google.com/search?q=Women+from+Catalunya&biw=1252&bih=559&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=e3ihVMqOFcmTyAT4oYKYAw&ved=0CCwQsAQ#tbm=isch&q=Basque+women&imgdii=_

Mars
29-12-14, 19:08
I have enough spare time to create a "guess her location" map based on your answers. Here it is.
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I don't know many balkanites, so I don't know if she can pass there or not. I know many more southern french and spanish people, and I think she could fit there.
Southern euros share a lot of history and genetics, so maybe one pick doesn't exclude the other a priori.

Angela
29-12-14, 19:46
Some more maps that might be informative for similarities and differences. Obviously these were done before the discovery of snps, but they've held up pretty well generally. The areas we're talking about, particularly northern Italy, southern France, and northern Spain, are at the same latitude, along long established trade routes, and were affected in similar ways by the broad folk migrations that explain the peopling of Europe. The same can be said, to a lesser degree perhaps, for certain areas in the Balkans.

http://www.bmanuel.org/corling/eur_comp3++_.jphttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-SiUdjAVlg/TjGRYO9md8I/AAAAAAAABBc/Fga5opGvjXA/s1600/084c+Conceptos+b%25C3%25A1sicos+de+gen%25C3%25A9ti ca+IV.jpg

Angela
29-12-14, 19:49
Sorry, the rest didn't post:

http://folkemord.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/mapdphaarman_02.gif

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1552/pc4sd4.jpg

Mars
31-12-14, 12:34
Very interesting stuff Angela, as usual :-) Thanks.
This is the (supposed) distribution of the Ligures people in the Iron Age (being a "full" ligurian, she's very likely a descendent of them, in part, at least)
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It's not shown here, but, at least until a certain point in history, the Ligures territory reached the southern border with Spain of nowadays France.