E-V22 Here...

nshukur · Mar 28, 2015

Just saying hi to the community. I participated in the Genographic project 2 years ago and later transferred my results to FTDNA.

I belong to E-V22 on my paternal side and K1A Maternal.

My parents are Syrian born and bred. Mom has known to lineage to Turkey through her Maternal side.

Not too much knowledge on my Dads side. Genographic put me in the Egyptian for reference population.

It would be cool to learn more about V22...

Maleth · Mar 28, 2015

welcome Nshukur, there is lots of useful information here http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

Rethel · Mar 28, 2015

nshukur said:
Not too much knowledge on my Dads side.

Genealogical research should be very helpful. But I don't know syrian possibilities. Do Syrians
have surnames of do they have long history of civil or religious regestry? Are you descent of
some small tribe or maybe some clan with known history? Even 100-200 years can be usefull.

One is sure - you are not descendant of Shem, but of Ham.

nshukur · Mar 28, 2015

Rethel said:
Genealogical research should be very helpful. But I don't know syrian possibilities. Do Syrians
have surnames of do they have long history of civil or religious regestry? Are you descent of
some small tribe or maybe some clan with known history? Even 100-200 years can be usefull.

One is sure - you are not descendant of Shem, but of Ham.

Hmm interesting questions. Little is known from my Dads side due to the lack of knowledge or history from his great grandfather. There is a theory that he moved from North Lebanon to Syria, converted to Islam and married. I was interested in reading the thread about v22 in which it was mentioned that v22 mutation came from a man in Northern Syria and eventually spread through the phoenicians. Yes Syrians have surnames but not sure about religious registries

Rethel · Mar 28, 2015

nshukur said:
Yes Syrians have surnames

From how long ago?

bicicleur 2 · Mar 28, 2015

IMO E-V13 and E-V22 are brother clades
both came from the Nile Valley into SW Asia, maybe some 10.000 years ago.
later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia
it would be interesting to know more about you Syrian ancestors

Maleth · Mar 28, 2015

bicicleur said:
IMO E-V13 and E-V22 are brother clades
both came from the Nile Valley into SW Asia, maybe some 10.000 years ago.
later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia
it would be interesting to know more about you Syrian ancestors

They both stem from M-78 that was born in Egypt 18,000 BP, (Nile valley in North Africa) they must have both followed an eastern route Then they split from Z1919 taking different routes and probably very different locations. I don't think anyone can say the age of split more and more of when the mutations occurred. later E-V13 expanded from the Balkans, while E-V22 was less expansive and stayed mostly in SW Asia (what we term the middle east) is quite a good description in my opinion, although E-V22 seems to be also present in East Africa were E-V13 is totally absent. Im not sure if there has been a re-migration to East Africa from SW Asia (or what we term middle east, I find these terminologies confusing)

Maleth · Mar 28, 2015

Here is a good chart of distribution of the various subclades

frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe. This is discussed in more detail below.

Region	Population	n	E-M78	E-M78*	E-V12*	E-V13	E-V22	E-V32	E-V65	Study
Europe	Kosovar Albanians	114	45.60	1.75		43.85				Peričic et al. (2005)
Europe	Macedonian Arumanians	57	29.82			29.82				Peričic et al. (2005)
Europe	Serbians	113	20.35	1.77		18.58				Peričic et al. (2005)
Europe	Croatians	108	5.60			5.60				Peričic et al. (2005)
Europe	Crete	193	6.7			6.7				King et al. (2008)
Europe	Greeks from Nea Nikomedeia	57	15.8	1.8		14.0				King et al. (2008)
Europe	Greeks from Sesklo/Dimini	57	38.6	3.5		35.1				King et al. (2008)
Europe	Greeks from Lerna/Franchthi	57	35.1			35.1				King et al. (2008)
Europe	Sicilians	236	11.43		1.27	5.93	3.81		0.42	Di Gaetano et al. (2008)
Europe	Huelva Andalusians	167	6.59		1.20	4.19		0.60	0.60	Ambrosio et al. (2010)
Europe	Sicilians	153	13.07		0.65	7.19	4.58		0.65	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Northern Portuguese	50	4			4				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Southern Portuguese	49	4.08			4.08				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Pasiegos from Cantabria	56								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Asturians	90	10			5.56	4.44			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Southern Spaniards	62	3.23				3.23			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Spanish Basques	55								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	French Basques	16	6.25		6.25					Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	French	225	4.44		0.44	4				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	English	28								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Danish	35	2.86			2.86				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Germans	77	3.9			3.9				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Polish	40	2.5			2.5				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Czechs	268	4.85			4.85				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Slovaks	24	8.33			8.33				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Slovenians	104	2.88			2.88				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Northern Italians	94	7.45			5.32	2.13			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Central Italians	356	7.87		0.28	5.34	1.97		0.28	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Southern Italians	141	10.64		0.71	8.51	1.42			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Sardinians	374	3.48	0.27	0.27	1.07	0.8		1.07	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Estonians	74	4.05			4.05				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Belarusians	40								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Northern Russians	82	3.66			3.66				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Southern Russians	92	2.17			2.17				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Ukrainians	11	9.09			9.09				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Moldovians	77	7.79			7.79				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Hungarians	106	9.43			9.43				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Rumanians	265	7.55			7.17	0.38			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Macedonians	99	18.18			17.17	1.01			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Continental Greeks	147	19.05			17.69	0.68		0.68	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Greeks from Crete	215	6.51		0.93	5.58				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Greeks from Aegean Islands	71	16.9			15.49	1.41			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Bulgarians	204	16.67		0.49	16.18				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Europe	Albanians	96	32.29			32.29				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Moroccan Arabs	55	40	3.64			7.27		29.09	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Asni Berbers	54	3.7				3.7			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Bouhria Berbers	67	1.49			1.49				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Moyen Atlas Berbers	69	10.14						10.14	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Marrakech Berbers	29	6.9		3.45		3.45			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Moroccan Jews	50	12		2	2	8			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northwestern Africa	Mozabite Berbers	20								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Libyan Jews	25	8			4			4	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Libyan Arabs	10	20						20	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Northern Egyptians (Delta)	72	23.61		5.56	1.39	13.89	2.78		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Egyptian Berbers	93	6.45		2.15				4.3	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Egyptians from Bahari	41	41.46		14.63	2.44	21.95		2.44	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Egyptians from Gurna Oasis	34	17.65	5.88	8.82			2.94		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Northeastern Africa	Southern Egyptians	79	50.63		44.3	1.27	3.8		1.27	Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Dinka	26	15.38		3.85		11.54			Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Shilluk	15	13.33				13.33			Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Nuer	12	16.67		16.67					Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Borgu	26	15.38				3.85	11.54		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Nuba	28	25	3.57	3.57		7.14	10.71		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Masalit	32	71.88	3.13			15.63	53.13		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Fur	32	59.38				18.75	40.63		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Nubians	39	15.38		12.82			2.56		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Fulani	26	34.62				30.77	3.85		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Hausa	32	3.13					3.13		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Copts	33	15.15		15.15					Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Beja	42	35.71		4.76			30.95		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Gaalien	50	18.00		6.00		6.00	6.00		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Meseria	28	14.29		3.57			10.71		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Arakien	24	16.67		8.33		4.17	4.17		Hassan et al. (2008)
Eastern Africa	Amhara	34	8.82					8.82		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Ethiopian Jews	22	9.09					9.09		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Mixed Ethiopians	12	33.33				25	8.33		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Borana/Oromo (Kenya/Ethiopia)	32	40.63					40.63		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Wolayta	12	16.67				8.33	8.33		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Somalia	23	52.17				4.35	47.83		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Nilotic from Kenya	18	11.11				11.11			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Bantu from Kenya	28	3.57					3.57		Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Western Africa	123	0.81		0.81					Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Central Africa	150	0.67		0.67					Cruciani et al. (2007)
Eastern Africa	Southern Afric	105								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Istanbul Turkish	35	8.57			2.86	5.71			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Southwestern Turkish	40	2.5			2.5				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Northeastern Turkish	41								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Southeastern Turkish	24	4.17			4.17				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Erzurum Turkish	25	4		4					Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Central Anatolian	61	6.56		1.64	4.92				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Turkish Cypriots	46	13.04			10.87	2.17			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Sephardi Turkish	19								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Palestinians	29	10.34			3.45	6.9			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Druze Arabs	28	10.71			10.71				Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Bedouin	28	3.57				3.57			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Syrians	100	2				2			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Kurds from Iraq	20								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Arabs from United Arab Emirates	40	2.5				2.5			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Omanite	106	0.94				0.94			Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Adygei	18								Cruciani et al. (2007)
Western Asia	Azeri	97	2.06			2.06				Cruciani et al. (2007)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-V68

bicicleur 2 · Mar 28, 2015

and here is a distribution map for E-V68

I agree, IMO E-V68 and E-M78 originated in Nubya, Nile Valley which was populated since 19000 y BP :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfan_culture

it was followed by Qadan culture :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadan_culture

but the Nile changed and some tribes started moving north

if you want to know what happened to the Nile :

https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=...=BSXQ1pmwlducOMYnoxto3A&bvm=bv.89381419,d.d24

Maleth · Mar 30, 2015

bicicleur said:
I agree, IMO E-V68 and E-M78 originated in Nubya, Nile Valley which was populated since 19000 y BP :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halfan_culture

it was followed by Qadan culture :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadan_culture

but the Nile changed and some tribes started moving north

if you want to know what happened to the Nile :

https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=...=BSXQ1pmwlducOMYnoxto3A&bvm=bv.89381419,d.d24

Thanks Bicicleur, very interesting

Kaser · Jul 2, 2017

V22 is a brother clade of V13, along with V12 and V65.

V22 is found in North and East africa, in small amounts in Europe. According to Wikipedia.
It's found in Sicillians at small percentages, and could have entered europe that way.

Simplified tree:
M35>V68>M78>V22

E-V22 Here...

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