just some erratic thoughts based upon partial data
Some remarksconcerning mt DNA :
The more I look atmt-DNA H1/H3 the more I think it 's old (or rather their ancestorsare for a long time in Europe. If I rely on the %s proposed byMaciamo (I thank again here for his work) I even think theyflourished seriously only when they were in Southwestern Europe, soneatly before Neolithic, maybe before plain Mesolithic. I put herethe (right?) %s of mtH1+H3 compared to total mtH. I hope that even ifpartly erroneous they could paint a close enough picture :
think theyflourished seriously only when they were in Southwestern Europe, soneatly before Neolithic, maybe before plain Mesolithic. I put herethe (right?) %s of mtH1+H3 compared to total mtH. I hope that even ifpartly erroneous they could paint a close enough picture :
Basque country isthe richer for these 2 haplo's in relative and absolute proportions –Sardinia comes near -
As a whole WesternEurope and North Europe show more than Central and Eastern Europewhich themselves show more than Southeastern Europe, Caucasus,Near-Eastern and Chuvashs.
North-Africa, whichall comprise have low if not neglictible absolute %s of mt-H shows inthe same time a middle position for relative%s ; and what ismaybe not a hazard, the closer to the richer regions is Marocco,closer to Andalusia, and Tunisia has a bit more relative %s thanAlgeria and Tunisia so closer to Sicilia, and to Sardinia – theSame for Estonia and Finland, not specifically rich for global mt-Hbut high enough for relative mt-H1/H3 %s -
This striking enoughcloseness between Southwestern Europe and Scandinavia – extremeNorth-East of Europe and some very ancient mt-DNA H in Iberia push meto think it is at first an expansion occurred after the LGM for a bigpart. In Northern Europe the LGM prevented an older human presenceand the distribution of these subhaplo's is very too much linked toWest to be put on the account of an East to West movement (look atChuvashs) – It's true my try of analysis is baed upon Maciamocompilation – in Wikipedia, they found some 14 % for UralFinns, what does not disprove my conclusion, because archeologydoes not show traces of great movements from North-East of populationEast to West in Prehistory or History until Iberia and BasqueCountry ;
Some apparentdiscrepancies : and the most of mt-H other subclades in Centraland East Europe are of East Europe (I-E Steppes?) and Neolithic NearEast origin -
Ireland is a bit lowfor relative %s even if absolute ones are not very low for Westernrange.
Belgium/Luxemburg isvery strong on every sort of % compared to the low %s in theNetherlands ; Switzerland and global Italy also are like a« stain » in West Center – at the contrary it shows ahigh enough % for other subclades of mt-H;
Other localdiscrepancies ?: Hungary and Macedonia closer to Westerners andextreme position of Albania and Romania very very poor for mt-H1+H3and at maximum for other mt-H -
As a whole Caucasusis relatively poor, as North-Africa, in absolute %s for all mt-H,poorer than Near-Eastern, except Armenia ;
some comparisonsconcerning ancient mt-DNA in some populations show that among the« other » mt-H, H2a seems more linked to EHG (NorthernRussia, Finland?), H6 more linked to first EEF (SoutheasternEuropeans, Near-Eastern) and H8 more linked to Central-South Asian(ASI ? Other ENF?)...
The mt-H1/H3 even ifprincipally expanded during LGM could also have been reinforcedduring historic movements, Atlantic megalithism + partial subsequentFunnelbeaker, and BBs and post-BBs effects (more than BBsdemography!) ; but it seems mt-H1/H3 were already wellestablished in Central Eastern France in the 4000 BC as the Gurgyremnants seem showing. For Germany I don't know if there are enoughof samples between 4000 and 2200 BC, but apparently the mt-H becamestrong enough at BBs times and it seems it would be due to encreasefor mt-H1/H3 because other mt-H certainly of Near-Eastern or Anatoliaorigin were already present in LBK populations but the totalmt-H%s stayed at lower levels than among BBs culture sepultures inother Chalcolithic sites of Germany. It is true in modern Germany andthe Netherlands the H1/H3 group is far less important but it couldvery well due to Germanic wanderings pushing off the Celtic post BBspopulations.
In the peculiar caseof Hungary we could put the high enough levels of H1/H3 on theaccount of BBS and La Tène Celts. But already in Neolithic times inHungary they were a great difference in total mt-H %s betweenTransdanubian (West) LBK : about 25 % but very few H5 andSzakàlhàt ALPC : about the half but more of H5 so... ButI have not the other subclades of mt-H for ancient Hungary.
Albania issurprising but the supposition of links with old populations ofRomania seems reinforced at this mitochondrial level ; spite anapparent great modificationamong male ligneagges in Romania, we couldsuppose their common links for mt-DNA is the neolithic inheritage ?But Albanians would have kept more ancient DNA than Romania for maleligneages ?
All that is based asalready said upon data that could be wrong at some level in someplaces, but I doubt corrections could change too much the « tableau »