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suebiking
24-05-15, 00:15
Well I just want to know if there is any data or study on northern portuguese autosomical dna.
I am curious since this area is known for less neolithic continuity and more germanic tribes settleling in the area such as the suebi.

Twilight
25-05-15, 01:29
According to Ancestrydna, the Average modern Iberian is 51% Ancient Iberian with the rest being from invaders.

I'd get a DNA test from ancestrydna.com to find the answer to your question. I'd love to hear what the natives of each country have to say :)

MOESAN
25-05-15, 19:57
interesting but where is the limit between ancient Iberia and New Iberia here?

Twilight
25-05-15, 21:50
interesting but where is the limit between ancient Iberia and New Iberia here?

The ancient Iberians were a tribal community before the Celts migrated into Spain forming the Celtiberians

Here is a link to their culture http://news.softpedia.com/news/Who-Were-the-Iberians-78220.shtml
The Iberian Basque had a settlement in Gascony and perhaps the Romans spead their genes far and wide http://i1.wp.com/www.cjroots.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AncestryDNA-Colleen-Greene-Iberian-Peninsula.png
Modern Iberians today I suppose would live in or have recorded ancestry in the Iberian Peninsula
:)
It's like comparing the Celtic Britians to the Modern British, the average British natives are 60% Ancient Britian so it's looks like the Native Iberians and Britians genetically absorbed their invaders over time.

The hunch that I have the most confidence on

Italy/Greece=Greco-Roman
Great Britian=P-Celtic
Ireland=Gealic (Milsean, Irish pirates or Viking trade influence?) If not these three options, I'm all ears on how the Geals could've made it to spain :)
Africa North/Middleeast=Moors
European West=Germanics
Scandinavia=Visigoths

Regio X
26-05-15, 22:45
Well I just want to know if there is any data or study on northern portuguese autosomical dna.
I am curious since this area is known for less neolithic continuity and more germanic tribes settleling in the area such as the suebi.

Eurogenes K15 maps: http://bga101.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/eurogenes-k15-now-at-gedmatch.html

And Dodecad:

Red Sea
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Red_Sea-admixture.gif

African
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/African-admixture.gif

East Asian
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

MOESAN
05-06-15, 18:40
The ancient Iberians were a tribal community before the Celts migrated into Spain forming the Celtiberians

Here is a link to their culture http://news.softpedia.com/news/Who-Were-the-Iberians-78220.shtml
The Iberian Basque had a settlement in Gascony and perhaps the Romans spead their genes far and wide http://i1.wp.com/www.cjroots.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/AncestryDNA-Colleen-Greene-Iberian-Peninsula.png
Modern Iberians today I suppose would live in or have recorded ancestry in the Iberian Peninsula
:)
It's like comparing the Celtic Britians to the Modern British, the average British natives are 60% Ancient Britian so it's looks like the Native Iberians and Britians genetically absorbed their invaders over time.

The hunch that I have the most confidence on

Italy/Greece=Greco-Roman
Great Britian=P-Celtic
Ireland=Gealic (Milsean, Irish pirates or Viking trade influence?) If not these three options, I'm all ears on how the Geals could've made it to spain :)
Africa North/Middleeast=Moors
European West=Germanics
Scandinavia=Visigoths

My point is that History of almost avery country is a bit more complex- Of course you can put a point in time as cut-limit and try to compare the genes iherited from before and after this point in time but...
We even don't know if Celts and/or other I-Ean very close to them (kinds of Ligurians, like the Lusitanians, were not in "Iberia" before the genuine Iberians (or Iberes) themselves!
and Iberians/Iberes have been preceded by other human groups which never formed an unity, it was the "why" of my question...
SO, what do you put in the "iberian" bag -
by the way, the Celtiberians were not a mix of Celts and Iberians/Iberes but a celtic speaking population living in Iberia, what lead some ancients to give them this curious name.